RE: Chandrashekhar & Simple Vimsottari Example (Birthdata)

December 5, 2003

Dear Partha,

My mail was meant to sound a word of caution to the uninitiated and as such

blunt in the first part. Second part was because I felt that some one might

take it as challenging their knowledge or practices, as you seem to have done.

I do not feel guilty for telling the truth. The reason is that people many times

take straight talking as being disrespectful. I just want to keep the record

straight. My being senior or otherwise does not entitle me to be rude and hence

I prefer to ask pardon of anyone who might feel hurt. It does not mean that my

opinions have no basis, or that I feel guilty. If you have my horoscope you

will find the reason I sounded the caution, and also whether I am aware of what

is Kundalini awakening or not.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

V.Partha sarathy

[partvinu5 ]Friday, December 05, 2003 9:28 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: [vedic astrology] Chandrashekhar &

Simple Vimsottari Example (Re: Birthdata)Dear ChandrashekharI have the guidance

of a master who has told me the "methods" of practice. I am getting a regular

feedback from him. He has been guiding me through the various feedbacks that he

gets from me.I have done deep research in this area, and i for one surely know

what i am doing. I hope this is taken in right spirit.And i would also like to

mention, that prarabdha has a great role to play in this matter. If a person

has to lose his mental balance or get physical disorders then no one can stop

it, no matter what. Without any self effort, without any pre-karma, we cannot

expect the right guru to arrive. Vivekananda had undergone many things before

he met his guru. And so did many past masters. No one gets a guru just like

that. Spiritual readiness is required. WIth one hundred desires left, with

karma left , how can a person expect to meet a guru so soon. He has to first

tread the path of pure self less work and bhakti before attempting to even

search for a guru.I have seen that your mails are quite fiery, and then in the

end you mention of taking things and your opinions in right spirit. I really

cant understand this approach. Why being fiery in the first place, and then why

asking for understanding in "right spirit". If you are feeling guilty of your

words, then please dont. As you are a senior, we all respect your opinion, and

we all take things in the right spirit anyways.regardspartha--- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:>

Dear Partha, Narasimha,> > Pardon me for the interruption, I do not mean any

disrespect to both of you,> whose astrological knowledge I have deep respect

for. However I am> interrupting the thread as I think a dangerous path is being

pursued.> > Would it not be better if we get comments of some Guru having

capacity to> guide a student in the proper way of Kundalini Jagrati? In so far

as I know,> it can rise and dissecting various Chakras reach Sahasrara over

time. It can> rise up to certain Chakra and subside but does not remain in any

of the> Chakras over time, barring travel from Muladhara to Sahasrara, with

out> dhyana in case of the Siddhas, who then become Urdhva drishti.> > Trying

to experiment with rising of Kundalini without guidance of a Guru is> known to

have caused mental afflictions of serious nature. So, all this talk> about rise

of Kundalini while asleep or its remaining locked up in Ajna> Chakra, might

encourage some one to experiment and lead to dire consequence.> > If I have

hurt anyone's feelings, belive me it was not my intention to do so> and I seek

their pardon in advance.Certain things happen during the course> of awakening

of Kundalini, and on its reaching Sahasrara, which are not> mentioned by either

of you, hence the word of caution, I felt, was my duty.> Regards,>

Chandrashekhar.> > V.Partha sarathy

[partvinu5]> Wednesday, December 03, 2003 2:21 PM> To:

vedic astrology> [vedic astrology] Partha, Kundalini

& Simple Vimsottari Example> (Re: Birthdata)> > > Dear Narasimha> > Thank

you for the analysis.So kind of you.> > I am not so sure whether the

Kundalini is awakened in me.> > THough there is tremendous awareness and

understanding of macrocosm,> i still have my own doubts.> > I have

throbbing of Ajna chakra right througout the day, so i can> agree to your

analysis.> There is doubt, confusion, anger, peace etc, All these are>

experiences due to the various nadis getting "cleaned".> > BTW PT.Rath is

right on target with his prediction that Jupiter> transit in Trines to AL(If

Jupiter is in badhaka sthana in a trine in> natal chart), may help the person

get a guru who will be bad in> nature but will purify the native.> > This is

true in my case, as i happened to meet a Tantric who insulted> me and made fun

of me. I did not feel bad, as he gave me quite good> knowledge. He has indeed

been the "trigger" for a major> transformation.> Under rahu dasa we may

meet the wrong people. But "wrong" is only a> perception, as we can never

truly understand Rahu's nature. This> wrong may lead us to the right. But we

should gaurd our dharma. So> you are hundred percent correct.> Under all

circumstances i have upheld my dharma, and this has cost me> badly in

material spheres. I have lost jobs and money.> But i am not sad, as this has

helped me in spiritual pursuits.> And also after experiencing so many

material births, i am least> interested in materialism as shown by rahu.> >

So coming back, i am not so sure whether kundalini has risen or not.> But yes,

i am constantly feeling energy at the crown center since> last few months. I

am now constantly feeling energy in the body, and> also the subtle

sensations.> This has also helped me understand the navamsa chart, also the

areas> where we can give remedies to people.> thanks and love> partha> >

> vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao">

<pvr@c...> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Partha,> >> > I was just

curious after reading all your experiences like ajna> chakra throbbing etc.

Thanks for sending your birthdata to the list> and also for resending it to

me privately.> >> > * * *> >> > I will make comments on

the chart a little later. First, a point on> Kundalini.> >> > Though I am

not an expert on Kundalini, I do not agree with your> caution that Kundalini's

is "like a thunderbolt". It may be so in> your case, for various reasons. It

is not always the case. Your> desctiption actually made me concerned. That is

why I was curious> about the chart.> >> > I have never meditated on any

chakras. I have never done any yoga> directed at Kundalini rise, but I think

I too did experience> Kundalini rise. I am not so much into Kundalini and I

am only into> bhakti yoga (the path of devotion) and do my poojas sincerely.

I have> been reading Sri MahaLakshmi's 108 names 108 times every Friday for>

almost 10 years now (it will be the 10th anniversary in coming> January). I

have been doing Satya Narayana vratam on every Full Moon> day for more than 3

years. Originally, I used to pray with desires,> but I just pray now. I am

very happy to just pray. I do some other> poojas, but these two are the main

ones. Overall, I am into poojas> and devotion and not into any Kundalini

yoga, laya yoga, hatha yoga,> raja yoga etc. Somehow, they don't interest

me.> >> > In March 1998, I think my Kundalini woke up during sleep. Of>

course, it might be a hallucination. If you want me dismiss me, it is>

certainly a tenable viewpoint. But I believe that my Kundali woke up> then.

Jupiter and Ketu were transiting within a couple of degrees> from my Rahu's

natal longitude and they were in lagna at the time.> >> > What happened was

that I had a dream. In the dream, I saw a few> idols of Vishnu, Lakshmi, Bhoo

Devi etc in my front yard. The idols> suddenly became alive (i.e. started

moving and talking) and hundreds> of gods descended on my front yard to serve

them. The whole place was> lively with a lot of sounds and was full of a

splendrous yellow> color. While I was having this dream, I experienced a

strange> happiness and peace (in my dream) that I had never experienced in

my> life. I woke up then (it was a little before sunrise). It was an>

unbelievably great feeling and the splendrous yellow color I saw all> around

is still fresh in my memory.> >> > Several years later, I experienced a

rise in Kundalini. This time,> it was during a Satya Narayana vratam on a

Full Moon night. It was a> Friday. I had not eaten anything in 28 hours, but

was feeling great.> I did my weekly Lakshmi pooja and then did Satya Narayana

vratam. As> a part of the vratam, before reading Vishnu's 1000 names, we read>

Lakshmi's 108 names. At the end of reading Lakshmi's names, I felt a> great

happiness and an inexpressible sense of calm and comfort. That> feeling

lasted for, perhaps, half a minute and it was interrupted by> a sensation on

the two sides of my spine (near the location of> Manipura chakra). It felt

like someone was biting/scratching me> there. It was not too forceful or

painful, but not subtle at all. It> was on both the sides of my spine and was

simultaneous. When I turned> back, there was nobody. Then the feeling of calm

and happiness> returned. I first did not understand it. Later, a learned

person> remarked that it was Kundalini.> >> > Again, this could be wrong,

but I believe that Kundalini pierced> thru Brahma granthi at that time. At

that time, Jupiter was> transiting a couple of degrees away from my natal

Ketu (who is in> 12th). He was in lagna at the time of the experience.> >>

> * * *> >> > The main point I want to make is that both the

experiences were> very positive. I did not feel any "thunderbolt". The only

pain> (little bit) I felt during granthi bhedana was accompanied by a lot>

of pleasure. You could argue it wasn't Kundalini, but I believe it> was.>

>> > Both the experiences brought a strange and inexpressible feeling of>

happiness, calm, pleasure and contentment. They were very positive>

experiences.> >> > I would imagine that a lot of depends on one's own chart

and the> path one followed.> >> > * * *> >> > Now let us

move on to your (Partha's) chart.> >> > Before I forget, one key aspect of

the chart is that there is an> atma karaka replacement. Sun at 29Sc44 was the

AK at birth. Jupiter> at 29Ar16 is AmK at birth, for replaces Sun later in

life and becomes> the new AK. This results in a huge internal transformation.

This> transformation is happening right now and will end in 2005-2006.> >>

> The transformed AK, Jupiter, is well-placed in the 5th house with> Ketu

association in both rasi and vimsamsa. But, he is afflicted by> Rahu in> >

navamsa and that makes me concerned. Make sure you follow the> purest dharma

shown by Jupiter and not fall in the trap of Rahu.> >> > In my view,

Vimsamsa (D-20) is the chart that shows spiritual> experiences, including

Kundalini experiences. The seven chakras> (Mooladhara, Swadhshthana etc) are

shown by the houses 7th, 6th, ...,> 1st (respectively). When my Kundalini was

awakened in March 1998,> nodes were transiting in Sc in D-20, which is the 7th

house in my> natal D-20 and contains nodes. When Brahma granthi (Manipura

chakra)> was pierced thru, nodes were transiting in Vi in D-20, which is the>

5th house in my natal D-20 and contains 3 key planets.> >> > In your D-20,

the 2nd house of experiences with ajna chakra is very> strong. It contains

Mercury and nodes. This does suggest some> experiences. However, Mercury is

in a vimsamsa ruled by goddess> Ghora. This seems to suggest some violence or

pain involved in the> ajna chakra experiences.> >> > Rahu and Jupiter are

in the 2nd house in D-20 and you are running> Rahu-Mercury antardasa!> >>

> Talking about dasas, let me demonstrate how Vimsottari dasa is used> at the

coarse level. More examples (and more detailed ones) can be> found in th

Vimsottari dasa workshop CD.> >> > Malefic planets give the results of

their state in the first one-> third, the results of their ownership and

placement in the middle one-> third and the results of association in the

last one-third.> >> > Thus, Aug 1994-Aug 2002 gives the result of Rahu's

strength. Rahu> in Leo is not that strong. In fact, he is in an inimical

house. Thus,> this is a period of introspection, confusion and frustration.

Aug> 2002-Mar 2009 gives the result of Rahu's 8th house ownership (search>

of truth) and the 2nd house placement (experiences of ajna chakra),> both

taken from Surya lagna (Sun, who is also in normal lagna in this> case).>

>> > Thus, we judge maha dasas and the 3 parts of a maha dasa. Then we> can

go to antardasas.> >> > Mercury antardasa is running from Aug 2002 to Feb

2005. In your D-> 20, Mercury is with malefics and hence he too is a malefic.

So, in> the first one-third of the AD (Aug 2002-July 2003), Mercury gives the>

result of his state. He is in an adhimitra's house and thus gives> good

results and direction. You will feel comfortable with your> spirituality.>

>> > While Rahu is the 8th lord from Sun, Mercury is in the 8th from> Moon.

Thus, Mercury AD in Rahu MD activates the 8th house fully and> gives sadhana.

This happens particularly in the middle one-third of> Mercury AD (July

2003-Jan 2004).> >> > Thus, one can see that the rule of Sun-Moon-lagna for

interpreting> 3 levels, when coupled with the rule of 3 parts of a period,

makes> readings very simple.> >> > BTW, you are thoroughly under Rahu's

influence. Rahu's Vimsottari> dasa and Moola dasa are running. Even the 8th

house of sadhana from> Narayana dasa sign has Rahu. Though Rahu aspected by

Jupiter is not> unfavorable, I am wary of a Rahu who joins Jupiter in

navamsa. Make> sure you follow a very pure dharma and make sure you follow

only the> most saattwik gurus. This dasa may give you many experiences, but

I> honestly think that the next dasa of Jupiter will be the one that> will

fulfil your real potential. By that time Jupiter dasa comes, the> atma karaka

replacement will be completed. Jupiter will be the AK and> his dasa will be

running. You will achieve a lot spiritually then.> God bless you!> >> >

May Jupiter's light shine on us,> > Narasimha> >> > > >

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December 5, 2003

I too belong to a group with concerns, so it's nice of you that you tried to

communicate that you are /feel safe in the proces. However word of caution IS

extremely valuable, for all, and for yourself-it may happen at certain moment

that word starts to 'ring true'- you never know.

I also see in those practices strong need for more control /of environment/, not

necessarily, but quite often, because of failure to gain control desired/too

much control desired?/ You seem to be fully aware of our concerns, and I do

believe that what you do helps you, but, you would agree, not everybody is up

to the risks involved.

Thanks for sharing, again

Warmest wishes,

Anna"V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5 > wrote:

Dear ChandrashekharI have the guidance of a master who has told me the "methods"

of practice. I am getting a regular feedback from him. He has been guiding me

through the various feedbacks that he gets from me.I have done deep research in

this area, and i for one surely know what i am doing. I hope this is taken in

right spirit.And i would also like to mention, that prarabdha has a great role

to play in this matter. If a person has to lose his mental balance or get

physical disorders then no one can stop it, no matter what. Without any self

effort, without any pre-karma, we cannot expect the right guru to arrive.

Vivekananda had undergone many things before he met his guru. And so did many

past masters. No one gets a guru just like that. Spiritual readiness is

required. WIth one hundred desires left, with karma left , how

can a person expect to meet a guru so soon. He has to first tread the path of

pure self less work and bhakti before attempting to even search for a guru.I

have seen that your mails are quite fiery, and then in the end you mention of

taking things and your opinions in right spirit. I really cant understand this

approach. Why being fiery in the first place, and then why asking for

understanding in "right spirit". If you are feeling guilty of your words, then

please dont. As you are a senior, we all respect your opinion, and we all take

things in the right spirit anyways.regardspartha--- In

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar Sharma" <boxdel> wrote:>

Dear Partha, Narasimha,> > Pardon me for the interruption, I do not mean any

disrespect to both of you,> whose astrological knowledge I have deep respect

for. However I am> interrupting the thread as I think a

dangerous path is being pursued.> > Would it not be better if we get comments of

some Guru having capacity to> guide a student in the proper way of Kundalini

Jagrati? In so far as I know,> it can rise and dissecting various Chakras reach

Sahasrara over time. It can> rise up to certain Chakra and subside but does not

remain in any of the> Chakras over time, barring travel from Muladhara to

Sahasrara, with out> dhyana in case of the Siddhas, who then become Urdhva

drishti.> > Trying to experiment with rising of Kundalini without guidance of a

Guru is> known to have caused mental afflictions of serious nature. So, all this

talk> about rise of Kundalini while asleep or its remaining locked up in Ajna>

Chakra, might encourage some one to experiment and lead to dire consequence.> >

If I have hurt anyone's feelings, belive me it was not my intention

to do so> and I seek their pardon in advance.Certain things happen during the

course> of awakening of Kundalini, and on its reaching Sahasrara, which are

not> mentioned by either of you, hence the word of caution, I felt, was my

duty.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> >

V.Partha sarathy [partvinu5]> Wednesday, December 03, 2003

2:21 PM> vedic astrology> [vedic astrology]

Partha, Kundalini & Simple Vimsottari Example> (Re: Birthdata)> > > Dear

Narasimha> > Thank you for the analysis.So kind of you.> > I am not so sure

whether the Kundalini is awakened in me.> > THough there is tremendous

awareness and understanding of

macrocosm,> i still have my own doubts.> > I have throbbing of Ajna chakra

right througout the day, so i can> agree to your analysis.> There is doubt,

confusion, anger, peace etc, All these are> experiences due to the various

nadis getting "cleaned".> > BTW PT.Rath is right on target with his

prediction that Jupiter> transit in Trines to AL(If Jupiter is in badhaka

sthana in a trine in> natal chart), may help the person get a guru who will

be bad in> nature but will purify the native.> > This is true in my case,

as i happened to meet a Tantric who insulted> me and made fun of me. I did

not feel bad, as he gave me quite good> knowledge. He has indeed been the

"trigger" for a major>

transformation.> Under rahu dasa we may meet the wrong people. But "wrong" is

only a> perception, as we can never truly understand Rahu's nature. This>

wrong may lead us to the right. But we should gaurd our dharma. So> you are

hundred percent correct.> Under all circumstances i have upheld my dharma,

and this has cost me> badly in material spheres. I have lost jobs and money.>

But i am not sad, as this has helped me in spiritual pursuits.> And also

after experiencing so many material births, i am least> interested in

materialism as shown by rahu.> > So coming back, i am not so sure whether

kundalini has risen or not.> But yes, i am constantly feeling energy at the

crown center since> last few months. I am now constantly feeling energy in

the body, and> also the subtle sensations.> This has also helped me

understand the navamsa chart, also the areas> where we can give remedies to

people.> thanks and love> partha> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao"> <pvr@c...> wrote:>

> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Partha,> >> > I was just curious after reading

all your experiences like ajna> chakra throbbing etc. Thanks for sending your

birthdata to the list> and also for resending it to me privately.> >> > *

* *> >> > I will make comments on the chart

a little later. First, a point on> Kundalini.> >> > Though I am not an

expert on Kundalini, I do not agree with your> caution that Kundalini's is

"like a thunderbolt". It may be so in> your case, for various reasons. It is

not always the case. Your> desctiption actually made me concerned. That is

why I was curious> about the chart.> >> > I have never meditated on any

chakras. I have never done any yoga> directed at Kundalini rise, but I think

I too did experience> Kundalini rise. I am not so much into Kundalini and I

am only into> bhakti yoga (the path of devotion) and do my poojas sincerely.

I have> been reading Sri MahaLakshmi's 108 names 108 times every Friday for>

almost 10 years now (it

will be the 10th anniversary in coming> January). I have been doing Satya

Narayana vratam on every Full Moon> day for more than 3 years. Originally, I

used to pray with desires,> but I just pray now. I am very happy to just

pray. I do some other> poojas, but these two are the main ones. Overall, I am

into poojas> and devotion and not into any Kundalini yoga, laya yoga, hatha

yoga,> raja yoga etc. Somehow, they don't interest me.> >> > In March

1998, I think my Kundalini woke up during sleep. Of> course, it might be a

hallucination. If you want me dismiss me, it is> certainly a tenable

viewpoint. But I believe that my Kundali woke up> then. Jupiter and Ketu were

transiting within a couple of degrees> from my Rahu's natal longitude and

they were in lagna at the time.> >> > What happened was that I had a dream.

In the dream, I saw a few> idols of Vishnu, Lakshmi, Bhoo Devi etc in my

front yard. The idols> suddenly became alive (i.e. started moving and

talking) and hundreds> of gods descended on my front yard to serve them. The

whole place was> lively with a lot of sounds and was full of a splendrous

yellow> color. While I was having this dream, I experienced a strange>

happiness and peace (in my dream) that I had never experienced in my> life. I

woke up then (it was a little before sunrise). It was an> unbelievably great

feeling and the splendrous yellow color I saw all> around is still fresh in

my memory.> >> > Several years later, I

experienced a rise in Kundalini. This time,> it was during a Satya Narayana

vratam on a Full Moon night. It was a> Friday. I had not eaten anything in 28

hours, but was feeling great.> I did my weekly Lakshmi pooja and then did

Satya Narayana vratam. As> a part of the vratam, before reading Vishnu's 1000

names, we read> Lakshmi's 108 names. At the end of reading Lakshmi's names, I

felt a> great happiness and an inexpressible sense of calm and comfort. That>

feeling lasted for, perhaps, half a minute and it was interrupted by> a

sensation on the two sides of my spine (near the location of> Manipura

chakra). It felt like someone was biting/scratching me> there. It was not too

forceful or painful, but not subtle at all. It> was on both the sides of

my spine and was simultaneous. When I turned> back, there was nobody. Then the

feeling of calm and happiness> returned. I first did not understand it. Later,

a learned person> remarked that it was Kundalini.> >> > Again, this could

be wrong, but I believe that Kundalini pierced> thru Brahma granthi at that

time. At that time, Jupiter was> transiting a couple of degrees away from my

natal Ketu (who is in> 12th). He was in lagna at the time of the experience.>

>> > * * *> >> > The main point I want to make is that

both the experiences were> very positive. I did not feel any "thunderbolt".

The only pain> (little bit) I

felt during granthi bhedana was accompanied by a lot> of pleasure. You could

argue it wasn't Kundalini, but I believe it> was.> >> > Both the

experiences brought a strange and inexpressible feeling of> happiness, calm,

pleasure and contentment. They were very positive> experiences.> >> > I

would imagine that a lot of depends on one's own chart and the> path one

followed.> >> > * * *> >> > Now let us move on to your

(Partha's) chart.> >> > Before I forget, one key aspect of the chart is

that there is an> atma karaka replacement. Sun at 29Sc44 was the AK at birth.

Jupiter> at 29Ar16 is AmK at birth, for replaces Sun later in life and

becomes> the new AK. This results in a huge internal transformation. This>

transformation is happening right now and will end in 2005-2006.> >> > The

transformed AK, Jupiter, is well-placed in the 5th house with> Ketu

association in both rasi and vimsamsa. But, he is afflicted by> Rahu in> >

navamsa and that makes me concerned. Make sure you follow the> purest dharma

shown by Jupiter and not fall in the trap of Rahu.> >> > In my view,

Vimsamsa (D-20) is the chart that shows spiritual> experiences, including

Kundalini experiences. The seven chakras> (Mooladhara, Swadhshthana etc) are

shown by the houses 7th, 6th, ...,>

1st (respectively). When my Kundalini was awakened in March 1998,> nodes were

transiting in Sc in D-20, which is the 7th house in my> natal D-20 and

contains nodes. When Brahma granthi (Manipura chakra)> was pierced thru,

nodes were transiting in Vi in D-20, which is the> 5th house in my natal D-20

and contains 3 key planets.> >> > In your D-20, the 2nd house of experiences

with ajna chakra is very> strong. It contains Mercury and nodes. This does

suggest some> experiences. However, Mercury is in a vimsamsa ruled by

goddess> Ghora. This seems to suggest some violence or pain involved in the>

ajna chakra experiences.> >> > Rahu and Jupiter are in the 2nd house in

D-20 and you are running> Rahu-Mercury

antardasa!> >> > Talking about dasas, let me demonstrate how Vimsottari dasa

is used> at the coarse level. More examples (and more detailed ones) can be>

found in th Vimsottari dasa workshop CD.> >> > Malefic planets give the

results of their state in the first one-> third, the results of their

ownership and placement in the middle one-> third and the results of

association in the last one-third.> >> > Thus, Aug 1994-Aug 2002 gives the

result of Rahu's strength. Rahu> in Leo is not that strong. In fact, he is in

an inimical house. Thus,> this is a period of introspection, confusion and

frustration. Aug> 2002-Mar 2009 gives the result of Rahu's 8th house

ownership (search> of

truth) and the 2nd house placement (experiences of ajna chakra),> both taken

from Surya lagna (Sun, who is also in normal lagna in this> case).> >> >

Thus, we judge maha dasas and the 3 parts of a maha dasa. Then we> can go to

antardasas.> >> > Mercury antardasa is running from Aug 2002 to Feb 2005.

In your D-> 20, Mercury is with malefics and hence he too is a malefic. So,

in> the first one-third of the AD (Aug 2002-July 2003), Mercury gives the>