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Jaya Jagannath

Dear Partha,

 

So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna

Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna

behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord

is strong.

 

However, what is the basis for that?

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

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> Om namah shivaya<BR>

> <BR>

> Dear Sarajit<BR>

> <BR>

> I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of

<BR>

> zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR>

> previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking

<BR>

> natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR>

> regards<BR>

> partha<BR>

> om tat sat<BR>

> <BR>

> <BR>

> vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

<BR>

> <sarajit@s...> wrote:<BR>

> > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR>

> > Dear Zoran,<BR>

> > <BR>

> > You wrote <BR>

> > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as

exalted <BR>

> > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act

as <BR>

> > neecha shani.<BR>

> > <BR>

> > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR>

> > <BR>

> > Best Wishes<BR>

> > Sarajit<BR>

> > <BR>

> > <BR>

> > > <html><body><BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > <tt><BR>

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR>

> > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR>

> > > <BR><BR>

> > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > &gt; What would be the reason/s/ for favourable

result/s/ of 3rdL <BR>

> in <BR>

> > lagna? <BR><BR>

> > > &gt; Courage...?<BR><BR>

> > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > &gt; Thanks,<BR><BR>

> > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > &gt; Anna<BR><BR>

> > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all

<BR><BR>

> > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence,

skills, <BR>

> witt, <BR>

> > <BR><BR>

> > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR>

> > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the

move, <BR>

> etc, <BR>

> > <BR><BR>

> > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such

as <BR>

> > courage, <BR><BR>

> > > firmness,<BR><BR>

> > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc.

If <BR>

> Lagnesh <BR>

> > is <BR><BR>

> > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya,

while <BR>

> if <BR>

> > <BR><BR>

> > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR>

> > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR>

> > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR>

> > > Zoran<BR><BR>

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Jaya JagannathDear Partha,

 

Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process of

learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening...

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

-

V.Partha sarathy

vedic astrology

Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit

Om namah shivayaDear SarajitI think Zoran would be the right person to answer

your question. But if i remember right, he has written an article few months

back regarding yogas and placements on the same topic.,For example

venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as venus is natural 7th

lord and mercury the natural 6th.similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in

lagna and vice versa. he is forever entering into debates :-))similarly saturn

in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etcI presume you must be

knowing all these as you are very experienced.just my little

contributionregardsparthaom tat satvedic astrology,

"Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Partha,> > So this

should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna > Bhava. If the

lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna > behaves like Saturn and

if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord > is strong.> > However, what is

the basis for that?> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > <html><body>> > > > > > <tt>> >

Om namah shivaya<BR>> > <BR>> > Dear Sarajit<BR>> > <BR>> > I think the logic is

like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of > <BR>> > zodiac and sani gets

neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR>> > previous logic where he

quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking > <BR>> > natural Zodiac and

analysing the various combos I presume.<BR>> > regards<BR>> > partha<BR>> > om

tat sat<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > vedic astrology,

"Sarajit Poddar" > <BR>> > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR>> > > || Jaya

Jagannath ||<BR>> > > Dear Zoran,<BR>> > > <BR>> > > You wrote <BR>> >

> If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as > exalted <BR>> >

> Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act > as <BR>>

> > neecha shani.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Can you please exlain the

principle behind this. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Best Wishes<BR>> > >

Sarajit<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > >

<html><body><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > >

<tt><BR>> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR>> > > > Dear

Anna,<BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > &gt;&nbsp;

<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>> > > > &gt; What

would be the reason/s/ for favourable > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR>> > in <BR>> >

> lagna? <BR><BR>> > > > &gt; Courage...?<BR><BR>> >

> > &gt;<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;&nbsp;

<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;

Thanks,<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;

Anna<BR><BR>> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>> > > > If the 3rd

lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all > <BR><BR>> > > >

significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, > skills, <BR>> > witt,

<BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR>>

> > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the > move,

<BR>> > etc, <BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > Also, there would be

signfications of Mangal (karaka), such > as <BR>> > > courage,

<BR><BR>> > > > firmness,<BR><BR>> > > > strength of

mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. > If <BR>> > Lagnesh <BR>> >

> is <BR><BR>> > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as

exalted Surya, > while <BR>> > if <BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > >

lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR>> > > > 3rd lord will act as

neecha shani,<BR><BR>> > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR>> > >

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Om Namo Narayanaya,

Here I am..:)

There are a few very basic principles, each one should know:

This is the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January conference...

FIRST PRINCIPLE:

Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush:

Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu, speaks of very special

Yogas, arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as

3rd lord in Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th

lord in yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc..

What one can infer from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in

5th house;

" The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in life,

favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You may

infer that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th lord in natural

zodiac

SECOND PRINCIPLE

Bava and Marana Karakas

These are the following:

1. Lagna-Surya

2.house-Guru

3.house-Mangal

4.house-Chandra

5.house-Guru

6.House-Mangal

7.house-Shukra

8.house-Shani

9.house-Guru

10.house-Budh

11.house-Guru

12.house-Shani

This is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas according

to other texts

Marana Karakas are known... For example, If Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there

will be hardships, poverty, obstacles, chronic illness, legacy and painful

transformations due to received Karaka infleuences of Shani. Since Chandra

is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive, lacking in longevity

or life force, will have troubles in the family life, and lack peace, etc.

THIRD PRINCIPLE

Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th house,

a person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad,

deep, sober and wise in later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He

may prosper in foreing lands and in contact with foreigners, He will go to

far places and drift about due to Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since surya

is neecha in 7th house of Natural Zodiac, a person may lack in self will,

individuality, may have weak health, may not enjoy the morning time or sunny

areas, may have weak integrity, be burnt with desires and will lack character

strength, power and charisma. A relation ship with father may be distant

or disturbed, depending on the position of the Surya and 9th lord.

These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the results

given by sages in jyotisha texts..

Best wishes

Zoran

Sarajit Poddar wrote:

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Partha,

 

Many principles I know and

many I do not... We all are in a process of learning.... I shall wait for

Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening...

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

-

 

V.Partha sarathy

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vedic astrology

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[vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit

Om namah shivaya

Dear Sarajit

I think Zoran would be the right person to answer your question. But

if i remember right, he has written an article few months back

regarding yogas and placements on the same topic.,

For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as

venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th.

similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice versa.

he is forever entering into debates :-))

similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etc

I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very experienced.

just my little contribution

regards

partha

om tat sat

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

<sarajit@s...> wrote:

> Jaya Jagannath

> Dear Partha,

>

> So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the

Lagna

> Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna

> behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna

lord

> is strong.

>

> However, what is the basis for that?

>

> Best Wishes

> Sarajit

>

> > <html><body>

> >

> >

> > <tt>

> > Om namah shivaya<BR>

> > <BR>

> > Dear Sarajit<BR>

> > <BR>

> > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first

house

of

> <BR>

> > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's

<BR>

> > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha.

Taking

> <BR>

> > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR>

> > regards<BR>

> > partha<BR>

> > om tat sat<BR>

> > <BR>

> > <BR>

> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit

Poddar"

> <BR>

> > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR>

> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR>

> > > Dear Zoran,<BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > You wrote <BR>

> > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will

act as

> exalted <BR>

> > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord

will

act

> as <BR>

> > > neecha shani.<BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > Best Wishes<BR>

> > > Sarajit<BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > <BR>

> > > > <html><body><BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > <tt><BR>

> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR>

> > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR>

> > > > <BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt; What would be the reason/s/ for

favourable

> result/s/ of 3rdL <BR>

> > in <BR>

> > > lagna? <BR><BR>

> > > > &gt; Courage...?<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt; Thanks,<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt; Anna<BR><BR>

> > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person

would get

all

> <BR><BR>

> > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence,

> skills, <BR>

> > witt, <BR>

> > > <BR><BR>

> > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR>

> > > > skills in communications and arts, will be

always on

the

> move, <BR>

> > etc, <BR>

> > > <BR><BR>

> > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal

(karaka),

such

> as <BR>

> > > courage, <BR><BR>

> > > > firmness,<BR><BR>

> > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity,

energy,

etc.

> If <BR>

> > Lagnesh <BR>

> > > is <BR><BR>

> > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as

exalted

Surya,

> while <BR>

> > if <BR>

> > > <BR><BR>

> > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR>

> > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR>

> > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR>

> > > > Zoran<BR><BR>

> > > > <BR><BR>

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Dear Zoran,

 

I look at those principles you have given in a little different way. My

comments are following:-

 

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya,

> Here I am..:)

> There are a few very basic principles, each one should know: This is

> the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January

conference...

> FIRST PRINCIPLE:

> Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush:

> Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu, speaks of very special Yogas,

> arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as

> 3rd lord in Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th lord

in

> yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc..

> What one can infer from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in 5th

house;

> " The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in

life,

> favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You

> may infer that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th

lord

> in natural zodiac

 

[sP] 1. Whenever a house lord is placed in another house, the lord

shall act like the karaka of the house. Thus when Sun is placed in he

5th house, the native shall be billious, short tempered, intelligent,

have few children etc. are all the effects of Sun's placement in the

5th house.

 

2. Whenever the lord of a house is placed with the karaka, they promote

the house under consideration. Here the Karaka is given importance and

not the natural lords. In some cases they are the same such as 4th and

in some they are not such as 3rd (Mars- primary karaka).

 

 

 

> SECOND PRINCIPLE

> Bava and Marana Karakas

>

[sP] I guess this is a typo. Probably you meant primary karakas and not

marana karakas with the following placements of the planets...

 

> These are the following:

> 1. Lagna-Surya

> 2.house-Guru

> 3.house-Mangal

> 4.house-Chandra

> 5.house-Guru

> 6.House-Mangal

> 7.house-Shukra

> 8.house-Shani

> 9.house-Guru

> 10.house-Budh

> 11.house-Guru

> 12.house-Shani

> This is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas

> according to other texts Marana Karakas are known... For example, If

Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there will be hardships, poverty, obstacles,

chronic illness, legacy and painful transformations due to received

Karaka infleuences of Shani.

 

> Since Chandra is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive,

> lacking in longevity or life force, will have troubles in the family

> life, and lack peace, etc.

 

[sP] I agree, here the lord of Lagna is acting the like the Karaka for

Lagna, Sun or Moon. And such placement of the lagna lord can be

troublesome, unless the lord is placed strongly.

 

>

> THIRD PRINCIPLE

Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th

house, a person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad, deep,

sober and wise in later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He may

prosper in foreing lands and in contact with foreigners, He will go to

far places and drift about due to Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since

surya is neecha in 7th house of Natural Zodiac, a person may lack in

self will, individuality, may have weak health, may not enjoy the

morning time or sunny areas, may have weak integrity, be burnt with

desires and will lack character strength, power and charisma. A

relation ship with father may be distant or disturbed, depending on the

position of the Surya and 9th lord.

 

[sP] Thank you zoran, for point this out. In fact, a few months back,

when I was reading Bhrigu Sutras to cull out the principles, this is

exactly I thought and was sharing the same with Ajit Krishnan. I din't

do much study on the same as I was drifted to some other area, however,

your views have confirmed what I was thinking.

 

> These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the

results given by sages in jyotisha texts..

 

[sP] There are few more, which I shall enumerate sometimes later...

 

Best wishes

Zoran

 

Thanks a lot for the principles.

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

 

>

> Sarajit Poddar wrote:

>

> > Jaya Jagannath

> > Dear Partha,

> >

> >

> >

> > Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process

of

> > learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you

> > listening...

> >

> >

> >

> > Best Wishes

> >

> > Sarajit

> >

> > -

> >

> > V.Partha sarathy <partvinu5

> >

> > vedic astrology

> > <vedic astrology>

> >

> > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM

> >

> > [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear

> > sarajit

> >

> >

> > Om namah shivaya

> >

> > Dear Sarajit

> >

> > I think Zoran would be the right person to answer your

question. But

> > if i remember right, he has written an article few months back

> > regarding yogas and placements on the same topic.,

> >

> > For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital

bliss, as

> > venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th.

> >

> > similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice

versa.

> > he is forever entering into debates :-))

> >

> > similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna,

hardworking etc

> >

> > I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very

experienced.

> > just my little contribution

> > regards

> > partha

> > om tat sat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar"

> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:

> > > Jaya Jagannath

> > > Dear Partha,

> > >

> > > So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the

> > Lagna

> > > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in

Lagna

> > > behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the

lagna

> > lord

> > > is strong.

> > >

> > > However, what is the basis for that?

> > >

> > > Best Wishes

> > > Sarajit

> > >

> > > > <html><body>

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> > > > Om namah shivaya<BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > Dear Sarajit<BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first

house

> > of

> > > <BR>

> > > > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from

Zoran's

> > <BR>

> > > > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha.

> > Taking

> > > <BR>

> > > > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I

presume.<BR>

> > > > regards<BR>

> > > > partha<BR>

> > > > om tat sat<BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > <BR>

> > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit

> > Poddar"

> > > <BR>

> > > > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR>

> > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR>

> > > > > Dear Zoran,<BR>

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > You wrote <BR>

> > > > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act

as

> > > exalted <BR>

> > > > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord

will

> > act

> > > as <BR>

> > > > > neecha shani.<BR>

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR>

> > > > > <BR>

> > > > > Best Wishes<BR>

> > > > > Sarajit<BR>

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> > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > <BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt; What would be the reason/s/ for

favourable

> > > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR>

> > > > in <BR>

> > > > > lagna? <BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt; Courage...?<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt; Thanks,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt; Anna<BR><BR>

> > > > > > &gt;<BR><BR>

> > > > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person

would get

> > all

> > > <BR><BR>

> > > > > > significations of budh (natural ruler),

intelligence,

> > > skills, <BR>

> > > > witt, <BR>

> > > > > <BR><BR>

> > > > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always

on

> > the

> > > move, <BR>

> > > > etc, <BR>

> > > > > <BR><BR>

> > > > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal

(karaka),

> > such

> > > as <BR>

> > > > > courage, <BR><BR>

> > > > > > firmness,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity,

energy,

> > etc.

> > > If <BR>

> > > > Lagnesh <BR>

> > > > > is <BR><BR>

> > > > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as

exalted

> > Surya,

> > > while <BR>

> > > > if <BR>

> > > > > <BR><BR>

> > > > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR>

> > > > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR>

> > > > > > Zoran<BR><BR>

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Om Namo Narayanaya,

Dear Sarajit,

What you mentioned below is the other way around... those principles also

hold true

Best wishes

Zoran

Sarajit Poddar wrote:

Jaya JagannathDear Zoran,I look at those principles you have given in a little

different way. My comments are following:-

Om Namo Narayanaya,Here I am..:) There are a few very basic principles, each one

should know: This is the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January

 

conference...

FIRST PRINCIPLE:Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush:Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu,

speaks of very special Yogas, arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as 3rd lord in

Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th lord

in

yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc..What one can infer

from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in 5th

house;

" The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in

life,

favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You may infer

that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th

lord

in natural zodiac

[sP] 1. Whenever a house lord is placed in another house, the lord shall act

like the karaka of the house. Thus when Sun is placed in he 5th house, the

native shall be billious, short tempered, intelligent, have few children etc.

are all the effects of Sun's placement in the 5th house.2. Whenever the lord of

a house is placed with the karaka, they promote the house under consideration.

Here the Karaka is given importance and not the natural lords. In some cases

they are the same such as 4th and in some they are not such as 3rd (Mars-

primary karaka).

SECOND PRINCIPLEBava and Marana Karakas

[sP] I guess this is a typo. Probably you meant primary karakas and not marana

karakas with the following placements of the planets...

These are the following:1.

Lagna-Surya2.house-Guru3.house-Mangal4.house-Chandra5.house-Guru6.House-Mangal7.house-Shukra8.house-Shani9.house-Guru10.house-Budh11.house-Guru12.house-ShaniThis

is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas according to other

texts Marana Karakas are known... For example, If

Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there will be hardships, poverty, obstacles, chronic

illness, legacy and painful transformations due to received Karaka infleuences

of Shani.

Since Chandra is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive, lacking in

longevity or life force, will have troubles in the family life, and lack peace,

etc.

[sP] I agree, here the lord of Lagna is acting the like the Karaka for Lagna,

Sun or Moon. And such placement of the lagna lord can be troublesome, unless

the lord is placed strongly.

THIRD PRINCIPLE

Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th house, a

person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad, deep, sober and wise in

later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He may prosper in foreing lands

and in contact with foreigners, He will go to far places and drift about due to

Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since surya is neecha in 7th house of Natural

Zodiac, a person may lack in self will, individuality, may have weak health,

may not enjoy the morning time or sunny areas, may have weak integrity, be

burnt with desires and will lack character strength, power and charisma. A

relation ship with father may be distant or disturbed, depending on the

position of the Surya and 9th lord.[sP] Thank you zoran, for point this out. In

fact, a few months back, when I was reading Bhrigu Sutras to cull out the

principles, this is exactly I thought and was s

haring the same with Ajit Krishnan. I din't do much study on the same as I was

drifted to some other area, however, your views have confirmed what I was

thinking.

These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the

results given by sages in jyotisha texts..[sP] There are few more, which I shall

enumerate sometimes later...Best wishesZoranThanks a lot for the principles.Best

WishesSarajit

Sarajit Poddar wrote:

Jaya JagannathDear Partha, Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process

of

learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening... Best

WishesSarajit - V.Partha sarathy

<partvinu5 > vedic astrology

<vedic astrology> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit Om

namah shivaya Dear Sarajit I think Zoran would be the right person to answer

your

question. But

if i remember right, he has written an article few months back regarding yogas

and placements on the same topic., For example venus-mercury combo is not so

good for marital

bliss, as

venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th. similarly mercury in

lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice

versa.

he is forever entering into debates :-)) similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna,

hardworking etc

I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very

experienced.

just my little contribution regards partha om tat sat --- In

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya

Jagannath > Dear Partha, > > So this should work with all the house lord's

placement in the Lagna > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets

placed in

Lagna

> behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the

lagna

lord > is strong. > > However, what is the basis for that? > > Best Wishes >

Sarajit > > > <html><body> > > > > > > <tt> > > Om namah shivaya<BR> > > <BR> >

> Dear Sarajit<BR> > > <BR> > > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets

exalted in first

house

of > <BR> > > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from

Zoran's

<BR> > > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking >

<BR> > > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I

presume.<BR>

> > regards<BR> > > partha<BR> > > om tat sat<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > --- In

vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <BR> > >

sarajit@s... wrote:<BR> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR> > > > Dear

Zoran,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > You wrote <BR> > > > If Lagnesh is

favourable, this 3rd house lord will act

as

> exalted <BR> > > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord

will

act > as <BR> > > > neecha shani.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Can you please

exlain the principle behind this. <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Best Wishes<BR> >

> > Sarajit<BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > >

<html><body><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > >

> <tt><BR> > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR> > > >

> Dear Anna,<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > &g

t; > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR> > > > > &gt;<BR><BR> >

> > > &gt; What would be the reason/s/ for

favourable

> result/s/ of 3rdL <BR> > > in <BR> > > > lagna? <BR><BR> > > >

> &gt; Courage...?<BR><BR> > > > > &gt;<BR><BR> >

> > > &gt;&nbsp; <BR><BR> > > > >

&gt;<BR><BR> > > > > &gt; Thanks,<BR><BR> > > >

> &gt;<BR><BR> > > > > &gt; Anna<BR><BR> > > >

> &gt;<BR><BR> > > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a

person

would get

all > <BR><BR> > > > > significations of budh (natural ruler),

intelligence,

> skills, <BR> > > witt, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > dexterity,

nimbleness,<BR><BR> > > > > skills in communications and arts, will

be always

on

the > move, <BR> > > etc, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > Also,

there would be signfications of Mangal

(karaka),

such > as <BR> > > > courage, <BR><BR> > > > >

firmness,<BR><BR> > > > > strength of mind and body, physical

capacity,

energy,

etc. > If <BR> > > Lagnesh <BR> > > > is <BR><BR> > > > >

favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as

exalted

Surya, > while <BR> > > if <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > lagnesh

is unfavourable, this<BR><BR> > > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha

shani,<BR><BR> > > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR> > > > >

Zoran<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > </tt><BR> >

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