Guest guest Posted July 7, 2003 Report Share Posted July 7, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Partha, So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord is strong. However, what is the basis for that? Best Wishes Sarajit > <html><body> > > > <tt> > Om namah shivaya<BR> > <BR> > Dear Sarajit<BR> > <BR> > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of <BR> > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR> > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking <BR> > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR> > regards<BR> > partha<BR> > om tat sat<BR> > <BR> > <BR> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <BR> > <sarajit@s...> wrote:<BR> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR> > > Dear Zoran,<BR> > > <BR> > > You wrote <BR> > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted <BR> > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act as <BR> > > neecha shani.<BR> > > <BR> > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR> > > <BR> > > Best Wishes<BR> > > Sarajit<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > > <html><body><BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > <tt><BR> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR> > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable result/s/ of 3rdL <BR> > in <BR> > > lagna? <BR><BR> > > > > Courage...?<BR><BR> > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > Thanks,<BR><BR> > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > Anna<BR><BR> > > > ><BR><BR> > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all <BR><BR> > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, skills, <BR> > witt, <BR> > > <BR><BR> > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR> > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the move, <BR> > etc, <BR> > > <BR><BR> > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such as <BR> > > courage, <BR><BR> > > > firmness,<BR><BR> > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. If <BR> > Lagnesh <BR> > > is <BR><BR> > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, while <BR> > if <BR> > > <BR><BR> > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR> > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR> > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR> > > > Zoran<BR><BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > </tt><BR> > > > <BR> > > > <br><BR> > > > <BR> > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><BR> > > > <BR> > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><BR> > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC><BR> > > > <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> <BR> > > Sponsor</b></font></td><BR> > > > </tr><BR> > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><BR> > > > <td align=center width=470><a <BR> > > <BR> > href="<a href="http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb"> http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb</a><BR> > /S<BR> > > <BR> > =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*<a href="http://hits.411web.com/cgi">http://hits.411web.com/cgi</a><BR> > -<BR> > > bin/autoredir? camp=556&lineid=3512844&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM"><i mg <BR> > > <BR> > src="<a href="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g" >http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g</a><B R> > if<BR> > > " alt="" width="300" height="250" border="0"></a></td><BR> > > > </tr><BR> > > > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 <BR> > > src="<a href="http://us.adserver./l?">http://docs./info/term s/</a>"> Terms of <BR> > > Service</a>.</tt><BR> > > > </br><BR> > > > <BR> > > > </body></html><BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > ><BR> > <BR> > </tt> > > <br> > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --> > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC> > <td align=center><font size="-1" color=#003399><b> Sponsor</b></font></td> > </tr> > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF> > <td align=center width=470><table border=0 cellpadding=0 cellspacing=0> <tr> <td align=center><font face=arial size=- 2></font><br><a href="http://rd./M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egroupweb/S =1705082686:HM/A=1652964/R=0/SIG=11t2ts2ch/*http://www.netflix.com/Defau lt?mqso=60178276&partid=3170658" alt=""><img src="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/ne/netflix/yhoo0603_b_300250A.g if" alt="click here" width="300" height="250" border="0"></a></td></tr></table> </td> > </tr> > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 height=1 src="http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Jaya JagannathDear Partha, Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process of learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening... Best Wishes Sarajit - V.Partha sarathy vedic astrology Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit Om namah shivayaDear SarajitI think Zoran would be the right person to answer your question. But if i remember right, he has written an article few months back regarding yogas and placements on the same topic.,For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th.similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice versa. he is forever entering into debates :-))similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etcI presume you must be knowing all these as you are very experienced.just my little contributionregardsparthaom tat satvedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote:> Jaya Jagannath> Dear Partha,> > So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna > behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord > is strong.> > However, what is the basis for that?> > Best Wishes> Sarajit> > > <html><body>> > > > > > <tt>> > Om namah shivaya<BR>> > <BR>> > Dear Sarajit<BR>> > <BR>> > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of > <BR>> > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR>> > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking > <BR>> > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR>> > regards<BR>> > partha<BR>> > om tat sat<BR>> > <BR>> > <BR>> > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <BR>> > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR>> > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR>> > > Dear Zoran,<BR>> > > <BR>> > > You wrote <BR>> > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as > exalted <BR>> > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act > as <BR>> > > neecha shani.<BR>> > > <BR>> > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR>> > > <BR>> > > Best Wishes<BR>> > > Sarajit<BR>> > > <BR>> > > <BR>> > > > <html><body><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <tt><BR>> > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR>> > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > > <BR><BR>> > > > ><BR><BR>> > > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR>> > in <BR>> > > lagna? <BR><BR>> > > > > Courage...?<BR><BR>> > > > ><BR><BR>> > > > > <BR><BR>> > > > ><BR><BR>> > > > > Thanks,<BR><BR>> > > > ><BR><BR>> > > > > Anna<BR><BR>> > > > ><BR><BR>> > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all > <BR><BR>> > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, > skills, <BR>> > witt, <BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR>> > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the > move, <BR>> > etc, <BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such > as <BR>> > > courage, <BR><BR>> > > > firmness,<BR><BR>> > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. > If <BR>> > Lagnesh <BR>> > > is <BR><BR>> > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, > while <BR>> > if <BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR>> > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR>> > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR>> > > > Zoran<BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > </tt><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <br><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><BR>> > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC><BR>> > > > <td align=center><font size="-1" > color=#003399><b> <BR>> > > Sponsor</b></font></td><BR>> > > > </tr><BR>> > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><BR>> > > > <td align=center width=470><a <BR>> > > <BR>> > href="<a > href="http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb">> http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb</a><BR>> > /S<BR>> > > <BR>> > =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*<a > href="http://hits.411web.com/cgi">http://hits.411web.com/cgi</a><BR>> > -<BR>> > > bin/autoredir?> camp=556&lineid=3512844&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM"><i> mg <BR>> > > <BR>> > src="<a > href="http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g"> >http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g</a><B> R>> > if<BR>> > > " alt="" width="300" > height="250" border="0"></a></td><BR>> > > > </tr><BR>> > > > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 > height=1 <BR>> > > src="<a > href="http://us.adserver./l?">http://us.adserver./l?> </a><BR>> > > <BR>> > > M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=758<B> R>> > 47<BR>> > > 6411"></td></tr><BR>> > > > </table><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --><BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <BR>> > > > <br><BR>> > > > <tt><BR>> > > > Archives: <a href="<a > href="vedic-> ">vedic-</a><BR>> > > astrology"><a href="vedic-> astrology">vedic-> astrology</a></a><BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > Group info: <a href="<a > href="vedic-> ">vedic-</a><BR>> > > astrology/info.html"><a > href="vedic-> ">vedic-</a><BR>> > > astrology/info.html</a><BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-<BR>> > > <BR><BR>> > > > <BR><BR>> > > > ........ 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Here I am.. There are a few very basic principles, each one should know: This is the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January conference... FIRST PRINCIPLE: Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush: Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu, speaks of very special Yogas, arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as 3rd lord in Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th lord in yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc.. What one can infer from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in 5th house; " The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in life, favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You may infer that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th lord in natural zodiac SECOND PRINCIPLE Bava and Marana Karakas These are the following: 1. Lagna-Surya 2.house-Guru 3.house-Mangal 4.house-Chandra 5.house-Guru 6.House-Mangal 7.house-Shukra 8.house-Shani 9.house-Guru 10.house-Budh 11.house-Guru 12.house-Shani This is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas according to other texts Marana Karakas are known... For example, If Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there will be hardships, poverty, obstacles, chronic illness, legacy and painful transformations due to received Karaka infleuences of Shani. Since Chandra is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive, lacking in longevity or life force, will have troubles in the family life, and lack peace, etc. THIRD PRINCIPLE Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th house, a person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad, deep, sober and wise in later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He may prosper in foreing lands and in contact with foreigners, He will go to far places and drift about due to Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since surya is neecha in 7th house of Natural Zodiac, a person may lack in self will, individuality, may have weak health, may not enjoy the morning time or sunny areas, may have weak integrity, be burnt with desires and will lack character strength, power and charisma. A relation ship with father may be distant or disturbed, depending on the position of the Surya and 9th lord. These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the results given by sages in jyotisha texts.. Best wishes Zoran Sarajit Poddar wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Partha, Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process of learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening... Best Wishes Sarajit - V.Partha sarathy To: vedic astrology Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit Om namah shivaya Dear Sarajit I think Zoran would be the right person to answer your question. But if i remember right, he has written an article few months back regarding yogas and placements on the same topic., For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th. similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice versa. he is forever entering into debates :-)) similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etc I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very experienced. just my little contribution regards partha om tat sat vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Partha, > > So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna > behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord > is strong. > > However, what is the basis for that? > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > <html><body> > > > > > > <tt> > > Om namah shivaya<BR> > > <BR> > > Dear Sarajit<BR> > > <BR> > > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of > <BR> > > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR> > > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking > <BR> > > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR> > > regards<BR> > > partha<BR> > > om tat sat<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <BR> > > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR> > > > Dear Zoran,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > You wrote <BR> > > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as > exalted <BR> > > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act > as <BR> > > > neecha shani.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Best Wishes<BR> > > > Sarajit<BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > > <html><body><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <tt><BR> > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR> > > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR> > > in <BR> > > > lagna? <BR><BR> > > > > > Courage...?<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > Thanks,<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > Anna<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all > <BR><BR> > > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, > skills, <BR> > > witt, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR> > > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the > move, <BR> > > etc, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such > as <BR> > > > courage, <BR><BR> > > > > firmness,<BR><BR> > > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. > If <BR> > > Lagnesh <BR> > > > is <BR><BR> > > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, > while <BR> > > if <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR> > > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR> > > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR> > > > > Zoran<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > </tt><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <br><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><BR> > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC><BR> > > > > <td align=center><font size="-1" > color=#003399><b> <BR> > > > Sponsor</b></font></td><BR> > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><BR> > > > > <td align=center width=470><a <BR> > > > <BR> > > href="<a > href=" http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb "> > http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb </a><B R> > > /S<BR> > > > <BR> > > =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*<a > href="http://hits.411web.com/cgi ">http://hits.411web.com/cgi </a><BR> > > -<BR> > > > bin/autoredir? > camp=556&lineid=3512844&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM">< ;i > mg <BR> > > > <BR> > > src="<a > href=" http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250. g" > > http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g </a> <B > R> > > if<BR> > > > " alt="" width="300" > height="250" border="0"></a></td><BR> > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 > height=1 <BR> > > > src="<a > href="http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Zoran, I look at those principles you have given in a little different way. My comments are following:- > > Om Namo Narayanaya, > Here I am.. > There are a few very basic principles, each one should know: This is > the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January conference... > FIRST PRINCIPLE: > Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush: > Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu, speaks of very special Yogas, > arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as > 3rd lord in Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th lord in > yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc.. > What one can infer from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in 5th house; > " The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in life, > favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You > may infer that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th lord > in natural zodiac [sP] 1. Whenever a house lord is placed in another house, the lord shall act like the karaka of the house. Thus when Sun is placed in he 5th house, the native shall be billious, short tempered, intelligent, have few children etc. are all the effects of Sun's placement in the 5th house. 2. Whenever the lord of a house is placed with the karaka, they promote the house under consideration. Here the Karaka is given importance and not the natural lords. In some cases they are the same such as 4th and in some they are not such as 3rd (Mars- primary karaka). > SECOND PRINCIPLE > Bava and Marana Karakas > [sP] I guess this is a typo. Probably you meant primary karakas and not marana karakas with the following placements of the planets... > These are the following: > 1. Lagna-Surya > 2.house-Guru > 3.house-Mangal > 4.house-Chandra > 5.house-Guru > 6.House-Mangal > 7.house-Shukra > 8.house-Shani > 9.house-Guru > 10.house-Budh > 11.house-Guru > 12.house-Shani > This is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas > according to other texts Marana Karakas are known... For example, If Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there will be hardships, poverty, obstacles, chronic illness, legacy and painful transformations due to received Karaka infleuences of Shani. > Since Chandra is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive, > lacking in longevity or life force, will have troubles in the family > life, and lack peace, etc. [sP] I agree, here the lord of Lagna is acting the like the Karaka for Lagna, Sun or Moon. And such placement of the lagna lord can be troublesome, unless the lord is placed strongly. > > THIRD PRINCIPLE Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th house, a person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad, deep, sober and wise in later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He may prosper in foreing lands and in contact with foreigners, He will go to far places and drift about due to Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since surya is neecha in 7th house of Natural Zodiac, a person may lack in self will, individuality, may have weak health, may not enjoy the morning time or sunny areas, may have weak integrity, be burnt with desires and will lack character strength, power and charisma. A relation ship with father may be distant or disturbed, depending on the position of the Surya and 9th lord. [sP] Thank you zoran, for point this out. In fact, a few months back, when I was reading Bhrigu Sutras to cull out the principles, this is exactly I thought and was sharing the same with Ajit Krishnan. I din't do much study on the same as I was drifted to some other area, however, your views have confirmed what I was thinking. > These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the results given by sages in jyotisha texts.. [sP] There are few more, which I shall enumerate sometimes later... Best wishes Zoran Thanks a lot for the principles. Best Wishes Sarajit > > Sarajit Poddar wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannath > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > > > Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process of > > learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you > > listening... > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Sarajit > > > > - > > > > V.Partha sarathy <partvinu5 > > > > vedic astrology > > <vedic astrology> > > > > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear > > sarajit > > > > > > Om namah shivaya > > > > Dear Sarajit > > > > I think Zoran would be the right person to answer your question. But > > if i remember right, he has written an article few months back > > regarding yogas and placements on the same topic., > > > > For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as > > venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th. > > > > similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice versa. > > he is forever entering into debates :-)) > > > > similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etc > > > > I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very experienced. > > just my little contribution > > regards > > partha > > om tat sat > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > > <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannath > > > Dear Partha, > > > > > > So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the > > Lagna > > > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna > > > behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna > > lord > > > is strong. > > > > > > However, what is the basis for that? > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > Sarajit > > > > > > > <html><body> > > > > > > > > > > > > <tt> > > > > Om namah shivaya<BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > Dear Sarajit<BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house > > of > > > <BR> > > > > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's > > <BR> > > > > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. > > Taking > > > <BR> > > > > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR> > > > > regards<BR> > > > > partha<BR> > > > > om tat sat<BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > vedic astrology, "Sarajit > > Poddar" > > > <BR> > > > > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR> > > > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR> > > > > > Dear Zoran,<BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > You wrote <BR> > > > > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as > > > exalted <BR> > > > > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will > > act > > > as <BR> > > > > > neecha shani.<BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > Best Wishes<BR> > > > > > Sarajit<BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <html><body><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <tt><BR> > > > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR> > > > > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR> > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable > > > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR> > > > > in <BR> > > > > > lagna? <BR><BR> > > > > > > > Courage...?<BR><BR> > > > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > > > Thanks,<BR><BR> > > > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > > > Anna<BR><BR> > > > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get > > all > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, > > > skills, <BR> > > > > witt, <BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR> > > > > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on > > the > > > move, <BR> > > > > etc, <BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), > > such > > > as <BR> > > > > > courage, <BR><BR> > > > > > > firmness,<BR><BR> > > > > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, > > etc. > > > If <BR> > > > > Lagnesh <BR> > > > > > is <BR><BR> > > > > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted > > Surya, > > > while <BR> > > > > if <BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR> > > > > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR> > > > > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR> > > > > > > Zoran<BR><BR> > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > </tt><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <br><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><BR> > > > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC><BR> > > > > > > <td align=center><font size="- 1" > > > color=#003399><b> <BR> > > > > > Sponsor</b></font></td><BR> > > > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><BR> > > > > > > <td align=center width=470><a <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > href="<a > > > > > href=" > > http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb > > "> > > > > > http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb > > </a><B > > R> > > > > /S<BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*<a > > > href="http://hits.411web.com/cgi ">http://hits.411web.com/cgi > > </a><BR> > > > > -<BR> > > > > > bin/autoredir? > > > > > camp=556&lineid=3512844&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM">< > > ;i > > > mg <BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > src="<a > > > > > href=" > > http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250. > > g" > > > > > > > > http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g </a> > > <B > > > R> > > > > if<BR> > > > > > " alt="" width="300" > > > height="250" > > border="0"></a></td><BR> > > > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > > > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 > > > height=1 <BR> > > > > > src="<a > > > > > href="http://us.adserver./l? > > ">http://us.adserver./l? > > > </a><BR> > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > > > > M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=758 > > <B > > > R> > > > > 47<BR> > > > > > 6411"></td></tr><BR> > > > > > > </table><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <!-- |**|end egp html banner|**| --><BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <BR> > > > > > > <br><BR> > > > > > > <tt><BR> > > > > > > Archives: <a href="<a > > > href="vedic- > > > ">vedic- </a><BR> > > > > > astrology"><a > > href="vedic- > > > astrology">vedic- > > > astrology</a></a><BR><BR> > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > Group info: <a href="<a > > > href="vedic- > > > ">vedic- </a><BR> > > > > > astrology/info.html"><a > > > href="vedic- > > > ">vedic- </a><BR> > > > > > astrology/info.html</a><BR><BR> > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-<BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Om Namo Narayanaya, Dear Sarajit, What you mentioned below is the other way around... those principles also hold true Best wishes Zoran Sarajit Poddar wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Zoran,I look at those principles you have given in a little different way. My comments are following:- Om Namo Narayanaya,Here I am.. There are a few very basic principles, each one should know: This is the subject of my two books, I am preparing for the January conference... FIRST PRINCIPLE:Natural Zodiac-Kal Purush:Have this in mind always. Sage Bhrigu, speaks of very special Yogas, arising of Natural Kal Purush, such as 3rd lord in Lagna yuti Mangal-promotes 3rd house affairs. 4th lord in yuti Chandra (natural ruler) promotes 4th house affiars etc..What one can infer from this? Let's analyse lagnesh placed in 5th house; " The person would be intelligent, of short temper, successfull in life, favourite of the government or kings, will have few children etc. You may infer that a person would get all the karakatwas of Sun as 5th lord in natural zodiac [sP] 1. Whenever a house lord is placed in another house, the lord shall act like the karaka of the house. Thus when Sun is placed in he 5th house, the native shall be billious, short tempered, intelligent, have few children etc. are all the effects of Sun's placement in the 5th house.2. Whenever the lord of a house is placed with the karaka, they promote the house under consideration. Here the Karaka is given importance and not the natural lords. In some cases they are the same such as 4th and in some they are not such as 3rd (Mars- primary karaka). SECOND PRINCIPLEBava and Marana Karakas [sP] I guess this is a typo. Probably you meant primary karakas and not marana karakas with the following placements of the planets... These are the following:1. Lagna-Surya2.house-Guru3.house-Mangal4.house-Chandra5.house-Guru6.House-Mangal7.house-Shukra8.house-Shani9.house-Guru10.house-Budh11.house-Guru12.house-ShaniThis is according to Parashara, there are other partial karakas according to other texts Marana Karakas are known... For example, If Lagnesh goes to 8th house, there will be hardships, poverty, obstacles, chronic illness, legacy and painful transformations due to received Karaka infleuences of Shani. Since Chandra is Marana Karak in 8th, a person may be too sensitive, lacking in longevity or life force, will have troubles in the family life, and lack peace, etc. [sP] I agree, here the lord of Lagna is acting the like the Karaka for Lagna, Sun or Moon. And such placement of the lagna lord can be troublesome, unless the lord is placed strongly. THIRD PRINCIPLE Natural Ucha or Neecha Places; For example if Lagna lord goes to 7th house, a person may be dedicated, discplined, may live abroad, deep, sober and wise in later years due to exalted infleunce of Shani. He may prosper in foreing lands and in contact with foreigners, He will go to far places and drift about due to Vayu Tatwa of exalted Shani. Since surya is neecha in 7th house of Natural Zodiac, a person may lack in self will, individuality, may have weak health, may not enjoy the morning time or sunny areas, may have weak integrity, be burnt with desires and will lack character strength, power and charisma. A relation ship with father may be distant or disturbed, depending on the position of the Surya and 9th lord.[sP] Thank you zoran, for point this out. In fact, a few months back, when I was reading Bhrigu Sutras to cull out the principles, this is exactly I thought and was s haring the same with Ajit Krishnan. I din't do much study on the same as I was drifted to some other area, however, your views have confirmed what I was thinking. These are the basic principles, which may help us understand the results given by sages in jyotisha texts..[sP] There are few more, which I shall enumerate sometimes later...Best wishesZoranThanks a lot for the principles.Best WishesSarajit Sarajit Poddar wrote: Jaya JagannathDear Partha, Many principles I know and many I do not... We all are in a process of learning.... I shall wait for Zoran to reply... Zoran! Are you listening... Best WishesSarajit - V.Partha sarathy <partvinu5 > vedic astrology <vedic astrology> Tuesday, July 08, 2003 2:10 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Debiliated Jupiter in LAGNA.-dear sarajit Om namah shivaya Dear Sarajit I think Zoran would be the right person to answer your question. But if i remember right, he has written an article few months back regarding yogas and placements on the same topic., For example venus-mercury combo is not so good for marital bliss, as venus is natural 7th lord and mercury the natural 6th. similarly mercury in lagna is like 6th lord in lagna and vice versa. he is forever entering into debates :-)) similarly saturn in lagna is like 10th lord in lagna, hardworking etc I presume you must be knowing all these as you are very experienced. just my little contribution regards partha om tat sat --- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Partha, > > So this should work with all the house lord's placement in the Lagna > Bhava. If the lagna lord is weak, then the planets placed in Lagna > behaves like Saturn and if it is weak and like Sun when the lagna lord > is strong. > > However, what is the basis for that? > > Best Wishes > Sarajit > > > <html><body> > > > > > > <tt> > > Om namah shivaya<BR> > > <BR> > > Dear Sarajit<BR> > > <BR> > > I think the logic is like this. Surya gets exalted in first house of > <BR> > > zodiac and sani gets neecha here. This i could infer from Zoran's <BR> > > previous logic where he quouted 3rd lord acting like budha. Taking > <BR> > > natural Zodiac and analysing the various combos I presume.<BR> > > regards<BR> > > partha<BR> > > om tat sat<BR> > > <BR> > > <BR> > > --- In vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" > <BR> > > sarajit@s... wrote:<BR> > > > || Jaya Jagannath ||<BR> > > > Dear Zoran,<BR> > > > <BR> > > > You wrote <BR> > > > If Lagnesh is favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as > exalted <BR> > > > Surya, while if Lagnesh is unfavourable, this 3rd lord will act > as <BR> > > > neecha shani.<BR> > > > <BR> > > > Can you please exlain the principle behind this. <BR> > > > <BR> > > > Best Wishes<BR> > > > Sarajit<BR> > > > <BR> > > > <BR> > > > > <html><body><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <tt><BR> > > > > Om Namo Narayanaya,<BR><BR> > > > > Dear Anna,<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > &g t; > > <BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > What would be the reason/s/ for favourable > result/s/ of 3rdL <BR> > > in <BR> > > > lagna? <BR><BR> > > > > > Courage...?<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > Thanks,<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > > Anna<BR><BR> > > > > ><BR><BR> > > > > If the 3rd lord is placed in lagna, a person would get all > <BR><BR> > > > > significations of budh (natural ruler), intelligence, > skills, <BR> > > witt, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > dexterity, nimbleness,<BR><BR> > > > > skills in communications and arts, will be always on the > move, <BR> > > etc, <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > Also, there would be signfications of Mangal (karaka), such > as <BR> > > > courage, <BR><BR> > > > > firmness,<BR><BR> > > > > strength of mind and body, physical capacity, energy, etc. > If <BR> > > Lagnesh <BR> > > > is <BR><BR> > > > > favourable, this 3rd house lord will act as exalted Surya, > while <BR> > > if <BR> > > > <BR><BR> > > > > lagnesh is unfavourable, this<BR><BR> > > > > 3rd lord will act as neecha shani,<BR><BR> > > > > Hope this helps,<BR><BR> > > > > Zoran<BR><BR> > > > > <BR><BR> > > > > </tt><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <br><BR> > > > > <BR> > > > > <!-- |**|begin egp html banner|**| --><BR> > > &a; mp;gt; > <BR> > > > > <table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><BR> > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFCC><BR> > > > > <td align=center><font size="- 1" > color=#003399><b> <BR> > > > Sponsor</b></font></td><BR> > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > <tr bgcolor=#FFFFFF><BR> > > > > <td align=center width=470><a <BR> > > > <BR> > > href="<a > href=" http://rd./M=249982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb "> > http://rd./M=249 982.3512844.4795476.1261774/D=egroupweb </a><B R> > > /S<BR> > > > <BR> > > =1705082686:HM/A=1524963/R=0/SIG=12o72ctft/*<a > href="http://hits.411web.com/cgi ">http://hits.411web.com/cgi </a><BR> > > -<BR> > > > bin/autoredir? > camp=556&lineid=3512844&prop=egroupweb&pos=HM">< ;i > mg <BR> > > > <BR> > > src="<a > href=" http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250. g" > > http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/sl/sleepangel/sleep_300x250.g </a> <B > R> > > if<BR> > > > " alt="" width="300" > height="250" border="0"></a></td><BR> > > > > </tr><BR> > > > > <tr><td><img alt="" width=1 > height=1 <BR> > > > src="<a > href="http://us.adserver./l? 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