Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Margarita, I am adding my comments below your comments. , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and 28th > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and > Rahu in House D). > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of your > children. > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu (shani) > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE ONLY ONE > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA WAS IN > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED IN RAHU > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS SEEMS OK TO > ME. > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu. Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result on prority as they are tennants there. > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE ONLY PLANET > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd HOUSE. > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I THINK SATURN > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE MOON AND > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAHA > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR DIVORCE > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or LOE but that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system. Hence my confusion. > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis antra ? > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children I am > puzzled ? > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I DON'T SEE > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR WHICH IS > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE FIRST > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra but but represent Shani. > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed up on > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to the > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE RAHU IS IN > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE THE TOB > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE STILL TO > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event happened in 1nd sector. > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing down > further to the proper sector .... > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash Thanks Margarita, Cheers !!! Ash > > , " vijayuma " > <vijayuma> wrote: > > HI Ash, > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > clarification questions, > > I was married in feb 1996 > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > Thanks > > Siva > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Siva, > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good analysis. > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 thru > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August > thru > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and > every > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period of > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12 > thru > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus > karaktwa > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in 6th > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house > which > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house which is > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is giving > 0 > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in > > nakshatra > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not > auger > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points for > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for 12th > > > house. > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit > over > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > Sagittarius > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems faced > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars > which > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani so > > you > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani > and > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for 6th > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa Mars > is > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of June > > your > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is samdharmi > to > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so Mercury > > will > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > happiness. > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting > good > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver lining. > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the last > > > three > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad financial > > > phase > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > > > positive > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have been > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > technically > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > dramatically > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it not a > > > fault > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > exactly > > > over > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > Place of birth > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > 10.23 N > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Siva > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Hi Margarita, Ash and All, since you all are looking for exact dates to get some understanding on my chart, here are the exact facts. 1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to even think of correction of time. 2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was married to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south indian families) 3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i was in USA at that time) 4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA) 5) seperation date first weeek of february 1999 6) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a contested divorce takes around 4 years in India. 7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though both children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, i have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this august. 8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance (lots of debts), and now career. But still holding on that it will get better. Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the reasons. --Siva , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > I am adding my comments below your comments. > > , " dirk & margarita > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and > 28th > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and > > Rahu in House D). > > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of > your > > children. > > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > (shani) > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE > ONLY ONE > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA > WAS IN > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED > IN RAHU > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS > SEEMS OK TO > > ME. > > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu. > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result > on prority as they are tennants there. > > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE > ONLY PLANET > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd > HOUSE. > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > THINK SATURN > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE > MOON AND > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH > THE MAHA > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY > HAVE > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR > DIVORCE > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY > > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the > past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or LOE but > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system. > Hence my confusion. > > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > antra ? > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children > I am > > puzzled ? > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I > DON'T SEE > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR > WHICH IS > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE > FIRST > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra > but but represent Shani. > > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed > up on > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to > the > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE > RAHU IS IN > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE > THE TOB > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE > STILL TO > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event > happened in 1nd sector. > > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing > down > > further to the proper sector .... > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > Thanks Margarita, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > HI Ash, > > > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > > clarification questions, > > > I was married in feb 1996 > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a > > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > > > Thanks > > > Siva > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > analysis. > > > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 > thru > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August > > thru > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and > > every > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period > of > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12 > > thru > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus > > karaktwa > > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in > 6th > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house > > which > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > which is > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is > giving > > 0 > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in > > > nakshatra > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not > > auger > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points > for > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for > 12th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit > > over > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > > Sagittarius > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems > faced > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars > > which > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani > so > > > you > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani > > and > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for > 6th > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa > Mars > > is > > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of > June > > > your > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > samdharmi > > to > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > Mercury > > > will > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting > > good > > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > lining. > > > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the > last > > > > three > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > financial > > > > phase > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > > > > positive > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > been > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > > technically > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > > dramatically > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > not a > > > > fault > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > > exactly > > > > over > > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > > Place of birth > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > > 10.23 N > > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Hello Ash, Why can Rahu not be samdharmi to Jupiter, he is in Jupiter navamsa. I thought this could work. Are you sure Rahu is only samdharmi to Saturn ?? I just tried to dig up some old mails about samdharmi . Here is something ; When two planets are in one sign, and/or in same constellation they are functional samdharmi. If any planet is having tenancy in any sign, it can represents the lord of the sign. ( this we use when a planet is situated in house D or E. More the points planet is having more representations it can give. If such planet is with less points it can represents the lord but can play some culpritship. All the above results should be checked from Navamansha chart also. When two planets are in same navamansha they are call as functional Samdharmi. Actually navamansha chart is having equal status that of rashi chart. Only difference is the points we take are same as in rashi chart. Do I understand something wrong ??? Best regards Margarita -Original Message----- ashsam73 [ashsam73]Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:02 PM Subject: Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon Dear Margarita,I am adding my comments below your comments. , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash,> Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text.> > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM> > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in> degrees) over natal Moon> > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva,> > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and 28th> of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and> Rahu in House D).> > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of your> children.> > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu (shani)> and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time> seperatoin in Shani/Shani ?> WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE ONLY ONE> THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA WAS IN> 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED IN RAHU> ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS SEEMS OK TO> ME.> Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu. Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result on prority as they are tennants there.> LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE ONLY PLANET> SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd HOUSE.> VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I THINK SATURN> ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE MOON AND> MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH THE MAHA> DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY HAVE> HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR DIVORCE> ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPYAsh : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the past we have predicted break up happening "quickly" in LOD or LOE but that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system. Hence my confusion.> Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis antra ?> All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and> Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra> gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children I am> puzzled ?> I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I DON'T SEE> SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR WHICH IS> NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE FIRST> CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE.> Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra but but represent Shani.> Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed up on> identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to the> fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event> happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind> this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ?> NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE RAHU IS IN> SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE THE TOB> BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE STILL TO> BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR .....> Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event happened in 1nd sector.> Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing down> further to the proper sector ....> > Thanking you,> Cheers !!!> AshThanks Margarita,Cheers !!!Ash> > , "vijayuma"> <vijayuma> wrote:> > HI Ash,> >> > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your> > clarification questions,> > I was married in feb 1996> > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in> > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a> > contested divorce takes 4 years).> >> > Thanks> > Siva> > , "ashsam73"> > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > Dear Siva,> > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good analysis.> > >> > > I would however like to verify a few things.> > >> > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 thru> > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August> thru> > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD.> > >> > > Can you verify if you have any children> > >> > >> > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and> every> > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So> > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period of> > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12> thru> > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus> karaktwa> > > is different from Shanis.> > >> > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in 6th> > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house> which> > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house which is> > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is giving> 0> > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in> > nakshatra> > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not> auger> > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points for> > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for 12th> > > house.> > >> > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit> over> > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over> Sagittarius> > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems faced> > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars> which> > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani so> > you> > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani> and> > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must> > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards.> > >> > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for 6th> > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa Mars> is> > > aspecting Mercury.> > >> > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of June> > your> > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is samdharmi> to> > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so Mercury> > will> > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!!> > >> > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure> > happiness.> > >> > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting> good> > > points for pretty much all houses.> > >> > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver lining.> > >> > > Wish you all the best,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> > >> > >> > > , "vijayuma"> > > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > > Hi All,> > > >> > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the last> > > three> > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad financial> > > phase> > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in> > > positive> > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have been> > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been> > > technically> > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite> > > dramatically> > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it not a> > > fault> > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.).> > > >> > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is> exactly> > > over> > > > my natal moon now.> > > >> > > > My DOB> > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday)> > > > Time Of Birth> > > > 8:45 am (No DST)> > > > Place of birth> > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT> > > > Latitude and Longitude> > > > 10.23 N> > > > 78.52 E> > > >> > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Siva> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Ash, Hari, I think saying that during third cycle of Saturn people die would not be very correct astrologically. For one the third cycle might start as early as 82.5 years of one's life (Assuming birth at end of Saturn transit of 2nd house) and for other this would leave the question of why people live beyond 90 years of age. I think this generalisation without refering to whether Saturn is Marak for a Jataka or not, might not be very scientific way of looking at astrology. I hope I do not hurt anyone by my frank observations. Chandrashekhar. ashsam73 wrote: Dear Hari, Just by saying 3rd cycle of an outermost planet its has just increased the possibility of a lot of people dying during that age. T.V Rao said that he heard someone say that 3rd cycle of Shani the person may die and all I am trying to say is during the 3rd cycle of shani its common sense that a lot of people in this world *will* die. Especially if you start to take into account the average life expectancy in the third world countries which is much lower than the first world nations where its not common for a person to live into their late eighties and nineties. So it just surprises me that its more common sense than astrological fact. Thats all. Cheers !!! Ash vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > Dear Ash, > > Sorry to say that I am unable to follow your logic. How can you > relate the sadesati occurrences to the lifespan? > > regards > Hari > vedic astrology, "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> > wrote: > > Dear T.V Rao and Hari, > > If assuming for certain cases shani took 29 years for the sadi > sati > > as worst case and at best the person was born when sadi sati was > > going on so here you have 2 scnarios 29.5*3 = 88.5 years and the > > second is 29.5 * 2 = 59 years. Life expectancy during Vedic times > > is definitely different from now... Life expectacy in India I > think > > is much lesser than 88.5 years... so if people die around 88.5 > they > > have outlived their life expectacny in forIndia atleast... The > > probability of a person dying during the 3rd cycle is quite high.. > I > > must recon.... and for remaining people who escape the 3rd cycle.. > > the 4th cycle of shani will definitely do the job... > > What say you.... > > Cheers !!! > > Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Dear Margarita, Good you brought this up. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. Hence I think they cannot become samdharmi to the Navamsa they are placed in. For planets its different. I think that is why they become samdharmi only to sign lord and nakshatra lord they are placed in. Even if Rahu is with other planets I do not think it becomes samdharmi to it. For example say Rahu was with Venus in sign of Guru and nakshatra of Mercury. Then Rahu would not become Samdharmi to Venus is my understanding. Rahu would ONLY be samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lord. Even in this mail that Krushnaji had written hes mentioned " planets " and not grahas. This above is my understanding. Maybe Krushnaji can clarify this point as its very fundamental and there seems to be some difference in understanding. Very good that you bring this up. Thanks, Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Ash, > Why can Rahu not be samdharmi to Jupiter, he is in Jupiter navamsa. I > thought this could work. Are you sure Rahu is only samdharmi to Saturn ?? I > just tried to dig up some old mails about samdharmi . Here is something ; > When two planets are in one sign, and/or in same constellation they > are functional samdharmi. If any planet is having tenancy in any sign, it > can represents the lord of the sign. ( this we use when a planet is situated > in house D or E. More the points planet is having more representations it > can give. If such planet is with less points it can represents the lord but > can play some culpritship. > All the above results should be checked from Navamansha chart also. > When two planets are in same navamansha they are call as functional > Samdharmi. Actually navamansha chart is having equal status that of rashi > chart. Only difference is the points we take are same as in rashi chart. > Do I understand something wrong ??? > Best regards > Margarita > > -Original Message----- > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:02 PM > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) > over natal Moon > > > Dear Margarita, > I am adding my comments below your comments. > > , " dirk & margarita > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > Hello Ash, > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and > 28th > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and > > Rahu in House D). > > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of > your > > children. > > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > (shani) > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE > ONLY ONE > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA > WAS IN > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED > IN RAHU > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS > SEEMS OK TO > > ME. > > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu. > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result > on prority as they are tennants there. > > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE > ONLY PLANET > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd > HOUSE. > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > THINK SATURN > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE > MOON AND > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH > THE MAHA > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY > HAVE > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR > DIVORCE > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY > > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the > past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or LOE but > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system. > Hence my confusion. > > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > antra ? > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children > I am > > puzzled ? > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I > DON'T SEE > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR > WHICH IS > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE > FIRST > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra > but but represent Shani. > > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed > up on > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to > the > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE > RAHU IS IN > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE > THE TOB > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE > STILL TO > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event > happened in 1nd sector. > > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing > down > > further to the proper sector .... > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > Thanks Margarita, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > HI Ash, > > > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > > clarification questions, > > > I was married in feb 1996 > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a > > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > > > Thanks > > > Siva > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > analysis. > > > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 > thru > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August > > thru > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and > > every > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period > of > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12 > > thru > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus > > karaktwa > > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in > 6th > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house > > which > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > which is > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is > giving > > 0 > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in > > > nakshatra > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not > > auger > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points > for > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for > 12th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit > > over > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > > Sagittarius > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems > faced > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars > > which > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani > so > > > you > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani > > and > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for > 6th > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa > Mars > > is > > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of > June > > > your > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > samdharmi > > to > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > Mercury > > > will > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting > > good > > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > lining. > > > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayuma " > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the > last > > > > three > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > financial > > > > phase > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > > > > positive > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > been > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > > technically > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > > dramatically > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > not a > > > > fault > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > > exactly > > > > over > > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > > Place of birth > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > > 10.23 N > > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2003 Report Share Posted July 5, 2003 Hi Margarita, Ash and All, since you all are looking for exact dates to get some understanding on my chart, here are the exact facts. 1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to even think of correction of time. 2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was married to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south indian families) 3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i was in USA at that time) 4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA) 5) seperation date first weeek of february 1999 6) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a contested divorce takes around 4 years in India. 7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though both children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, i have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this august. 8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance (lots of debts), and now career. But still holding on that it will get better. Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the reasons. --Siva > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > I am adding my comments below your comments. > > > > , " dirk & margarita > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Hello Ash, > > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly > (in > > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > > > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and > > 28th > > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD > and > > > Rahu in House D). > > > > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of > > your > > > children. > > > > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > > (shani) > > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND > 12th.THE > > ONLY ONE > > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS > ANTRA > > WAS IN > > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED > > IN RAHU > > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS > > SEEMS OK TO > > > ME. > > > > > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered > > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having > > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of > Rahu. > > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in > House > > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of > > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so > > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give > result > > on prority as they are tennants there. > > > > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE > > ONLY PLANET > > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd > > HOUSE. > > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > > THINK SATURN > > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE > > MOON AND > > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP > WITH > > THE MAHA > > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN > THEY > > HAVE > > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR > > DIVORCE > > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY > > > > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage > as > > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation > but > > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses > but > > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed > its > > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted > > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in > the > > past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or LOE > but > > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu > who > > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed > > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this > system. > > Hence my confusion. > > > > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > > antra ? > > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house > and > > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis > antra > > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but > children > > I am > > > puzzled ? > > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. > I > > DON'T SEE > > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR > > WHICH IS > > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF > THE > > FIRST > > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > > > > > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its > > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in > > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' > antra > > but but represent Shani. > > > > > > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed > > up on > > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due > to > > the > > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event > > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning > behind > > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE > > RAHU IS IN > > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO > CHANGE > > THE TOB > > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE > > STILL TO > > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > > > > > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event > > happened in 1nd sector. > > > > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing > > down > > > further to the proper sector .... > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Thanks Margarita, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > HI Ash, > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > > > clarification questions, > > > > I was married in feb 1996 > > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce > in > > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a > > > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Siva > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 > > thru > > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After > 1996/August > > > thru > > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each > and > > > every > > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. > So > > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous > period > > of > > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. > 1995/12 > > > thru > > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus > > > karaktwa > > > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated > in > > 6th > > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd > house > > > which > > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > > which is > > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is > > giving > > > 0 > > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in > > > > nakshatra > > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do > not > > > auger > > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low > points > > for > > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for > > 12th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his > transit > > > over > > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > > > Sagittarius > > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems > > faced > > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars > > > which > > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for > shani > > so > > > > you > > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when > shani > > > and > > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must > > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE > for > > 6th > > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa > > Mars > > > is > > > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of > > June > > > > your > > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > > samdharmi > > > to > > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > > Mercury > > > > will > > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its > getting > > > good > > > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > > lining. > > > > > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayuma " > > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in > the > > last > > > > > three > > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > > financial > > > > > phase > > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving > in > > > > > positive > > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > > been > > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > > > technically > > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > > > dramatically > > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > > not a > > > > > fault > > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > > > exactly > > > > > over > > > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > > > Place of birth > > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > > > 10.23 N > > > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Yes Ash, you could be right. I don't know. As navamsa has same value as rashi then this "samdharmiship" should be permitted. I think we bettter get this clear otherwise our discussion is useless. I will ask Krushna Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:33 PM Subject: Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal MoonDear Margarita,Good you brought this up. Rahu and Ketu are not planets. Hence I think they cannot become samdharmi to the Navamsa they are placed in. For planets its different. I think that is why they become samdharmi only to sign lord and nakshatra lord they are placed in. Even if Rahu is with other planets I do not think it becomes samdharmi to it.For example say Rahu was with Venus in sign of Guru and nakshatra of Mercury. Then Rahu would not become Samdharmi to Venus is my understanding. Rahu would ONLY be samdharmi to the sign lord and nakshatra lord.Even in this mail that Krushnaji had written hes mentioned "planets" and not grahas. This above is my understanding. Maybe Krushnaji can clarify this point as its very fundamental and there seems to be some difference in understanding.Very good that you bring this up. Thanks,Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Ash,> Why can Rahu not be samdharmi to Jupiter, he is in Jupiter navamsa. I> thought this could work. Are you sure Rahu is only samdharmi to Saturn ?? I> just tried to dig up some old mails about samdharmi . Here is something ;> When two planets are in one sign, and/or in same constellation they> are functional samdharmi. If any planet is having tenancy in any sign, it> can represents the lord of the sign. ( this we use when a planet is situated> in house D or E. More the points planet is having more representations it> can give. If such planet is with less points it can represents the lord but> can play some culpritship.> All the above results should be checked from Navamansha chart also.> When two planets are in same navamansha they are call as functional> Samdharmi. Actually navamansha chart is having equal status that of rashi> chart. Only difference is the points we take are same as in rashi chart.> Do I understand something wrong ???> Best regards> Margarita> > -Original Message-----> ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:02 PM> > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees)> over natal Moon> > > Dear Margarita,> I am adding my comments below your comments.> > , "dirk & margarita> lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash,> > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text.> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM> > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in> > degrees) over natal Moon> >> >> > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva,> >> > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and> 28th> > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and> > Rahu in House D).> >> > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of> your> > children.> >> > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu> (shani)> > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time> > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ?> > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE> ONLY ONE> > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA> WAS IN> > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED> IN RAHU> > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS> SEEMS OK TO> > ME.> >> > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered> Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of> shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having> just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu.> Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House> D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of> Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so> we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result> on prority as they are tennants there.> > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE> ONLY PLANET> > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd> HOUSE.> > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I> THINK SATURN> > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE> MOON AND> > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH> THE MAHA> > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY> HAVE> > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR> DIVORCE> > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY> > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as> pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but> why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but> its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its> in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like> Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted> with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the> past we have predicted break up happening "quickly" in LOD or LOE but> that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in> highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who> is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed> but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system.> Hence my confusion.> > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis> antra ?> > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and> > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra> > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children> I am> > puzzled ?> > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I> DON'T SEE> > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR> WHICH IS> > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE> FIRST> > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE.> >> > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its> own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding> Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in> Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra> but but represent Shani.> > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed> up on> > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to> the> > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event> > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind> > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ?> > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE> RAHU IS IN> > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE> THE TOB> > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE> STILL TO> > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR .....> >> > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event> happened in 1nd sector.> > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing> down> > further to the proper sector ....> >> > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > Thanks Margarita,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > >> > , "vijayuma"> > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > HI Ash,> > >> > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your> > > clarification questions,> > > I was married in feb 1996> > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in> > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a> > > contested divorce takes 4 years).> > >> > > Thanks> > > Siva> > > , "ashsam73"> > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear Siva,> > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good> analysis.> > > >> > > > I would however like to verify a few things.> > > >> > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12> thru> > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August> > thru> > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD.> > > >> > > > Can you verify if you have any children> > > >> > > >> > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and> > every> > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So> > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period> of> > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12> > thru> > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus> > karaktwa> > > > is different from Shanis.> > > >> > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in> 6th> > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house> > which> > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house> which is> > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is> giving> > 0> > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in> > > nakshatra> > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not> > auger> > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points> for> > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for> 12th> > > > house.> > > >> > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit> > over> > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over> > Sagittarius> > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems> faced> > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars> > which> > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani> so> > > you> > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani> > and> > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must> > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards.> > > >> > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for> 6th> > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa> Mars> > is> > > > aspecting Mercury.> > > >> > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of> June> > > your> > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is> samdharmi> > to> > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so> Mercury> > > will> > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!!> > > >> > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure> > > happiness.> > > >> > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting> > good> > > > points for pretty much all houses.> > > >> > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver> lining.> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijayuma"> > > > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the> last> > > > three> > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad> financial> > > > phase> > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in> > > > positive> > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have> been> > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been> > > > technically> > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite> > > > dramatically> > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it> not a> > > > fault> > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.).> > > > >> > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is> > exactly> > > > over> > > > > my natal moon now.> > > > >> > > > > My DOB> > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday)> > > > > Time Of Birth> > > > > 8:45 am (No DST)> > > > > Place of birth> > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT> > > > > Latitude and Longitude> > > > > 10.23 N> > > > > 78.52 E> > > > >> > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Siva> >> >> >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Hello Siva, Ash, and listmembers, OK for your TOB, it should thus be accurate. Of course I'm waiting untill Krushna can give some more clarification about the role Rahu can play because Ash and myself have different opinion and things have to be cleared up first otherwise discussion is useless. As to your divorce, I think it will get settled in Mercury antar so this is before end of january 2004, but I would like someone else's opinion about that. Best regards Margarita vijayuma [vijayuma]Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:23 PM Subject: Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal MoonHi Margarita, Ash and All,since you all are looking for exact dates to get some understanding on my chart, here are the exact facts.1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to even think of correction of time.2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was married to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south indian families)3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i was in USA at that time)4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA)5) seperation date first weeek of february 19996) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a contested divorce takes around 4 years in India.7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though both children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, i have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this august.8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance (lots of debts), and now career.But still holding on that it will get better.Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the reasons.--Siva , "ashsam73" <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> Dear Margarita,> I am adding my comments below your comments.> > , "dirk & margarita > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > Hello Ash,> > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text.> > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM> > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in> > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva,> > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and > 28th> > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD and> > Rahu in House D).> > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of > your> > children.> > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > (shani)> > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time> > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ?> > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND 12th.THE > ONLY ONE> > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS ANTRA > WAS IN> > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED > IN RAHU> > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS > SEEMS OK TO> > ME.> > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of Rahu. > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in House > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give result > on prority as they are tennants there.> > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE > ONLY PLANET> > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd > HOUSE.> > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > THINK SATURN> > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE > MOON AND> > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP WITH > THE MAHA> > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN THEY > HAVE> > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR > DIVORCE> > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY> > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage as > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation but > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses but > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed its > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in the > past we have predicted break up happening "quickly" in LOD or LOE but > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu who > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this system. > Hence my confusion.> > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > antra ?> > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house and> > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis antra> > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but children > I am> > puzzled ?> > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. I > DON'T SEE> > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR > WHICH IS> > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF THE > FIRST> > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE.> > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' antra > but but represent Shani.> > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed > up on> > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due to > the> > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event> > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning behind> > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ?> > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE > RAHU IS IN> > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO CHANGE > THE TOB> > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE > STILL TO> > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR .....> > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event > happened in 1nd sector.> > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing > down> > further to the proper sector ....> > > > Thanking you,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> > > Thanks Margarita,> Cheers !!!> Ash> > > > > , "vijayuma"> > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > HI Ash,> > >> > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your> > > clarification questions,> > > I was married in feb 1996> > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce in> > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a> > > contested divorce takes 4 years).> > >> > > Thanks> > > Siva> > > , "ashsam73"> > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > > Dear Siva,> > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > analysis.> > > >> > > > I would however like to verify a few things.> > > >> > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 > thru> > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After 1996/August> > thru> > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD.> > > >> > > > Can you verify if you have any children> > > >> > > >> > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each and> > every> > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. So> > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous period > of> > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. 1995/12> > thru> > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus> > karaktwa> > > > is different from Shanis.> > > >> > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated in > 6th> > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd house> > which> > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > which is> > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is > giving> > 0> > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in> > > nakshatra> > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do not> > auger> > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low points > for> > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for > 12th> > > > house.> > > >> > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his transit> > over> > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over> > Sagittarius> > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems > faced> > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars> > which> > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for shani > so> > > you> > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when shani> > and> > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must> > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards.> > > >> > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE for > 6th> > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa > Mars> > is> > > > aspecting Mercury.> > > >> > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of > June> > > your> > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > samdharmi> > to> > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > Mercury> > > will> > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!!> > > >> > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure> > > happiness.> > > >> > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its getting> > good> > > > points for pretty much all houses.> > > >> > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > lining.> > > >> > > > Wish you all the best,> > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash> > > >> > > >> > > > , "vijayuma"> > > > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > > > Hi All,> > > > >> > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the > last> > > > three> > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > financial> > > > phase> > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in> > > > positive> > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > been> > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been> > > > technically> > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite> > > > dramatically> > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > not a> > > > fault> > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.).> > > > >> > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is> > exactly> > > > over> > > > > my natal moon now.> > > > >> > > > > My DOB> > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday)> > > > > Time Of Birth> > > > > 8:45 am (No DST)> > > > > Place of birth> > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT> > > > > Latitude and Longitude> > > > > 10.23 N> > > > > 78.52 E> > > > >> > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated> > > > >> > > > > Thanks> > > > > Siva> > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Dear Margarita, How do you see court cases and their endings. I can see that Mercury is LOE for 6th house. I am considering 6th house for court cases. I do not know if this is correct though. In any case Mercury has highest points of 25 for 6th house and next antra is that of Ketu (Sun) who has just 10 points. Now, what gives court cases is it High points or Low points for 6th house and what marks the end again is it low points or high points ? Mahadasha is that of Shani and Shani holds karaktwa for 8th and 9th house so how do we know that a particular antra will give " court case " as compared to " desease " or " a job " all of it are 6th house matters so how can we know that Shani/Mercury antra the person may face a court case ? Here Shani is placed in 6th house with more points but as per the system planets do not give results related to the house they are placed but if with more points then of 4th and 8th house from it.... More and more questions... hope to get some guidance... Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , " dirk & margarita lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > Hello Siva, Ash, and listmembers, > OK for your TOB, it should thus be accurate. > Of course I'm waiting untill Krushna can give some more clarification about > the role Rahu can play because Ash and myself have different opinion and > things have to be cleared up first otherwise discussion is useless. > As to your divorce, I think it will get settled in Mercury antar so this is > before end of january 2004, but I would like someone else's opinion about > that. > > Best regards > Margarita > > vijayuma [vijayuma] > Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:23 PM > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > Hi Margarita, Ash and All, > > since you all are looking for exact dates to get some understanding > on my chart, here are the exact facts. > > 1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family > beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a > child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to even > think of correction of time. > > 2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was married > to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south indian > families) > > 3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i was in > USA at that time) > > 4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA) > > 5) seperation date first weeek of february 1999 > > 6) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a > contested divorce takes around 4 years in India. > > 7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of > seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though both > children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, i > have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this > august. > > 8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance (lots > of debts), and now career. > > But still holding on that it will get better. > > Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the > reasons. > > --Siva > > , " ashsam73 " > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > Dear Margarita, > > I am adding my comments below your comments. > > > > , " dirk & margarita > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > Hello Ash, > > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly > (in > > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > > > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and > > 28th > > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD > and > > > Rahu in House D). > > > > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of > > your > > > children. > > > > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > > (shani) > > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND > 12th.THE > > ONLY ONE > > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS > ANTRA > > WAS IN > > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED > > IN RAHU > > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS > > SEEMS OK TO > > > ME. > > > > > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered > > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having > > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of > Rahu. > > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in > House > > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of > > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so > > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give > result > > on prority as they are tennants there. > > > > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE > > ONLY PLANET > > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd > > HOUSE. > > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > > THINK SATURN > > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE > > MOON AND > > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP > WITH > > THE MAHA > > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN > THEY > > HAVE > > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR > > DIVORCE > > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY > > > > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage > as > > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation > but > > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses > but > > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed > its > > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted > > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in > the > > past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or LOE > but > > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu > who > > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed > > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this > system. > > Hence my confusion. > > > > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > > antra ? > > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house > and > > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis > antra > > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but > children > > I am > > > puzzled ? > > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR. > I > > DON'T SEE > > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR > > WHICH IS > > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF > THE > > FIRST > > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > > > > > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its > > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in > > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' > antra > > but but represent Shani. > > > > > > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed > > up on > > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due > to > > the > > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event > > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning > behind > > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE > > RAHU IS IN > > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO > CHANGE > > THE TOB > > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE > > STILL TO > > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > > > > > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event > > happened in 1nd sector. > > > > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing > > down > > > further to the proper sector .... > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > Thanks Margarita, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > > > , " vijayuma " > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > HI Ash, > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > > > clarification questions, > > > > I was married in feb 1996 > > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce > in > > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a > > > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Siva > > > > --- In , " ashsam73 " > > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12 > > thru > > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After > 1996/August > > > thru > > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each > and > > > every > > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23. > So > > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous > period > > of > > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. > 1995/12 > > > thru > > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus > > > karaktwa > > > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated > in > > 6th > > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd > house > > > which > > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > > which is > > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is > > giving > > > 0 > > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in > > > > nakshatra > > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do > not > > > auger > > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low > points > > for > > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for > > 12th > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his > transit > > > over > > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > > > Sagittarius > > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems > > faced > > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars > > > which > > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for > shani > > so > > > > you > > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when > shani > > > and > > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must > > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE > for > > 6th > > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa > > Mars > > > is > > > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of > > June > > > > your > > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > > samdharmi > > > to > > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > > Mercury > > > > will > > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its > getting > > > good > > > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > > lining. > > > > > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayuma " > > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in > the > > last > > > > > three > > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > > financial > > > > > phase > > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving > in > > > > > positive > > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > > been > > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > > > technically > > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > > > dramatically > > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > > not a > > > > > fault > > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > > > exactly > > > > > over > > > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > > > Place of birth > > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > > > 10.23 N > > > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 Well Ash, I was in fact asking for your opinion. I also think 6th house is for court cases that's why I think that during Mercury things could be settled in for this event, thinking it's high points ??? So neither of us do know. Outcome of courtcases also depends on local customs and quality of defense in court, etc I also noticed something else in this chart. Remember that mail about death of the father dated 7 april 2OO3. It states the following One more thing, Venus is lord of 11th. So Karkatva for 4th house. It is situated in 2nd house means 4th from 11th. Or it is situated in the fourth house from it's own house with more points. ( When a planet is situated in the fourth place from it's own house, it will increase the karkatva as a lord of that house.So here Venus is giving strong karkatva of 4th house as B( being lord of 11th house A) 4th house also gives result for death or departing from Father. In Guru Sub ( lord of E for father's death) So in Venus Mahadasha, Jup. Sub May give death of Father.This is the effect of Mahadasha Swami and how it effects in the result. Of course, the matter has nothing to do here but planets placed in the 4th from their own house and with more points become strong. Here Saturn, Lord of 3th (A) is placed in 4th from its own house with 5 points, so it becomes strong karakatva for the 8th and stronger than for the 9th ???? What do you think of that ??? Going back to marriage, you were abssolutely right in stating that Rahu can act for lord D if he is positioned in that house; this would then of course also justify marriage in Jupiter/Rahu; I saw that I forgot to mention that earlier. Nevertheless many questions remain. I asked some help from Krushna. We'll see.. Best regards Margarita ashsam73 [ashsam73]Sunday, July 06, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal MoonDear Margarita,How do you see court cases and their endings. I can see that Mercury is LOE for 6th house. I am considering 6th house for court cases. I do not know if this is correct though.In any case Mercury has highest points of 25 for 6th house and next antra is that of Ketu (Sun) who has just 10 points.Now, what gives court cases is it High points or Low points for 6th house and what marks the end again is it low points or high points ?Mahadasha is that of Shani and Shani holds karaktwa for 8th and 9th house so how do we know that a particular antra will give "court case" as compared to "desease" or "a job" all of it are 6th house matters so how can we know that Shani/Mercury antra the person may face a court case ? Here Shani is placed in 6th house with more points but as per the system planets do not give results related to the house they are placed but if with more points then of 4th and 8th house from it....More and more questions... hope to get some guidance...Thanking you,Cheers !!!Ash , "dirk & margarita lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> Hello Siva, Ash, and listmembers,> OK for your TOB, it should thus be accurate.> Of course I'm waiting untill Krushna can give some more clarification about> the role Rahu can play because Ash and myself have different opinion and> things have to be cleared up first otherwise discussion is useless.> As to your divorce, I think it will get settled in Mercury antar so this is> before end of january 2004, but I would like someone else's opinion about> that.> > Best regards> Margarita> > vijayuma [vijayuma]> Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:23 PM> > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in> degrees) over natal Moon> > > Hi Margarita, Ash and All,> > since you all are looking for exact dates to get some understanding> on my chart, here are the exact facts.> > 1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family> beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a> child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to even> think of correction of time.> > 2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was married> to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south indian> families)> > 3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i was in> USA at that time)> > 4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA)> > 5) seperation date first weeek of february 1999> > 6) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a> contested divorce takes around 4 years in India.> > 7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of> seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though both> children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, i> have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this> august.> > 8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance (lots> of debts), and now career.> > But still holding on that it will get better.> > Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the> reasons.> > --Siva> > , "ashsam73"> <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > Dear Margarita,> > I am adding my comments below your comments.> >> > , "dirk & margarita> > lettens" <dmlettens@s...> wrote:> > > Hello Ash,> > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text.> > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...]> > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM> > > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly> (in> > > degrees) over natal Moon> > >> > >> > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva,> > >> > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb and> > 28th> > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is LOD> and> > > Rahu in House D).> > >> > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time of> > your> > > children.> > >> > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu> > (shani)> > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time> > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ?> > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND> 12th.THE> > ONLY ONE> > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS> ANTRA> > WAS IN> > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE HAPPENED> > IN RAHU> > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. THIS> > SEEMS OK TO> > > ME.> > >> >> > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I considered> > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of> > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars having> > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of> Rahu.> > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in> House> > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion of> > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is LOD so> > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give> result> > on prority as they are tennants there.> >> > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. THE> > ONLY PLANET> > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE 2nd> > HOUSE.> > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I> > THINK SATURN> > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S THE> > MOON AND> > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP> WITH> > THE MAHA> > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN> THEY> > HAVE> > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION OR> > DIVORCE> > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY> >> > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for marriage> as> > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a seperation> but> > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses> but> > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed> its> > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like> > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have predicted> > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also in> the> > past we have predicted break up happening "quickly" in LOD or LOE> but> > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in> > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in Rahu> who> > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha changed> > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this> system.> > Hence my confusion.> >> > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis> > antra ?> > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th house> and> > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis> antra> > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but> children> > I am> > > puzzled ?> > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU ANTAR.> I> > DON'T SEE> > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU ANTAR> > WHICH IS> > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY IF> THE> > FIRST> > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE.> > >> >> > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in its> > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding> > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and Broke in> > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus'> antra> > but but represent Shani.> >> >> >> > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but goofed> > up on> > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector due> to> > the> > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the event> > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning> behind> > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ?> > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART BECAUSE> > RAHU IS IN> > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO> CHANGE> > THE TOB> > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN HAVE> > STILL TO> > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR .....> > >> >> > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why event> > happened in 1nd sector.> >> > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand narrowing> > down> > > further to the proper sector ....> > >> > > Thanking you,> > > Cheers !!!> > > Ash> >> >> > Thanks Margarita,> > Cheers !!!> > Ash> >> > >> > > , "vijayuma"> > > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > > HI Ash,> > > >> > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your> > > > clarification questions,> > > > I was married in feb 1996> > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed divorce> in> > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in india a> > > > contested divorce takes 4 years).> > > >> > > > Thanks> > > > Siva> > > > , "ashsam73"> > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote:> > > > > Dear Siva,> > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good> > analysis.> > > > >> > > > > I would however like to verify a few things.> > > > >> > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between 1995/12> > thru> > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After> 1996/August> > > thru> > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD.> > > > >> > > > > Can you verify if you have any children> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for each> and> > > every> > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru 2001/05/23.> So> > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous> period> > of> > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e.> 1995/12> > > thru> > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as Gurus> > > karaktwa> > > > > is different from Shanis.> > > > >> > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is situated> in> > 6th> > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd> house> > > which> > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house> > which is> > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani is> > giving> > > 0> > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is in> > > > nakshatra> > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things do> not> > > auger> > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low> points> > for> > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points for> > 12th> > > > > house.> > > > >> > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his> transit> > > over> > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over> > > Sagittarius> > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and problems> > faced> > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and mars> > > which> > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for> shani> > so> > > > you> > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when> shani> > > and> > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems must> > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards.> > > > >> > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is LOE> for> > 6th> > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in Navamsa> > Mars> > > is> > > > > aspecting Mercury.> > > > >> > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th of> > June> > > > your> > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is> > samdharmi> > > to> > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so> > Mercury> > > > will> > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!!> > > > >> > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure> > > > happiness.> > > > >> > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its> getting> > > good> > > > > points for pretty much all houses.> > > > >> > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver> > lining.> > > > >> > > > > Wish you all the best,> > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > > Ash> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "vijayuma"> > > > > <vijayuma> wrote:> > > > > > Hi All,> > > > > >> > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in> the> > last> > > > > three> > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad> > financial> > > > > phase> > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving> in> > > > > positive> > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have> > been> > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been> > > > > technically> > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite> > > > > dramatically> > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it> > not a> > > > > fault> > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.).> > > > > >> > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is> > > exactly> > > > > over> > > > > > my natal moon now.> > > > > >> > > > > > My DOB> > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday)> > > > > > Time Of Birth> > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST)> > > > > > Place of birth> > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT> > > > > > Latitude and Longitude> > > > > > 10.23 N> > > > > > 78.52 E> > > > > >> > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > Siva> > >> > >> > >> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 thanks Hari. rani. vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > Dear Rani, > > Sadesati is to be reckoned only with respect to natal moon in rasi > chart. Hope that cheers you considerably. :-) > > regards > Hari > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > dear Hari, > > > > I have a small question: are sadesatis only to be considered from > > moon, or are the ascendant or the sun to be considered also? and > can > > it be considered on the navamsa chart from transits too? > > > > if all of the above apply, then we could conceivably have sadesatis > > going on ALL the time! yikes. > > > > rani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 hi Raji, thanks for this. I'll keep on reading as I have come in late and need to read all the past weekend's postings. rani. vedic astrology, Rajeswari Shankar <rajeswarishankar> wrote: > Dear Rani, > > It is considered to be from one's moon rasi.When saturn comes yr previous rasi sade sati has started. > > Regards > Raji > > > raindancer_1998 <raindancer_1998> wrote: > dear Hari, > > I have a small question: are sadesatis only to be considered from > moon, or are the ascendant or the sun to be considered also? and can > it be considered on the navamsa chart from transits too? > > if all of the above apply, then we could conceivably have sadesatis > going on ALL the time! yikes. > > rani. > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> > wrote: > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > Dear Ognjen and Siva, > > > > Transit of Sa in the 12th, 1st and 2nd from natal moon is > generally > > called as Sadesati or the 7.5 years of Saturn transit over natal > > moon. This is thought to be a period of extreme stress and mental > > tensions. > > > > I have seen this in a couple of cases but again there are > > exceptions. For example, I didnt face any difficulties during the > > 1st Sadesati. Similarly, a friend who also has natal moon in Ge > > (Arudra nakshatra) is facing 1st Sadesati now and apart from some > > delay in getting his masters degree or job, didnt face any > > difficulties so far. Even, I wonder if he could get married during > > this period! > > > > My opinion is that the 1st Sadesati is not very stressful while > the > > second sadesati would certainly be stressful. Thus the factor to > be > > considered should be the placement of natal moon and saturn with > > respect to each other and how many Sadesatis can be expected > within > > the lifetime of an individual. Since the 2nd sadesati usually > makes > > the individual worldywise, the 3rd Sadesati is also not very > > stressful because the native has by then developed the > > experience/attitude to weather any storms. Of course, this depends > > to a great extent on the dasha that the individual is running. > Again > > my opinion is that Saturn Mahadasha + 2nd Sadesati is a double > > whammy! > > > > respected Gurus may have other opinions, though. Siva, as per > advice > > of Gurus on this list, appropriate mantras are indicated. You may > > search the list to find out the remedies suggested. Sincere > worship > > in temples and visit to Saturn deity at Thirunallar may help you > > greatly. Its all a matter of faith. > > > > regards > > Hari > > > > vedic astrology, "Ognjen" > > <ognjen.pavicevic@z...> wrote: > > > Dear Siva, > > > > > > there must be some other factors also because I am in the same > > postion like you ( Saturn transit over the natal Moon) and some > > changes occur but I think that they are positive. > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > Ognjen > > > - > > > vijayuma > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:51 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) > > over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the > last > > three > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > financial > > phase > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > > positive > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have been > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > technically > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > dramatically > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it not > a > > fault > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > exactly > > over > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > My DOB > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > Time Of Birth > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > Place of birth > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > 10.23 N > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > Thanks > > > Siva > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 dear Hari, well it was both good and bad. it was good because at the time, I finally quit my full time job after years of dithering and hesitation and started to write my book full time. it was a tough decision as I had not saved that much by then to support myself. but I was happy because quitting finally helped me concentrate on my own writing instead of having to edit other people's writing (especially, doing legal briefs night and day, day in and day out, is a killer for any creativity). it was bad because of the same reason, lack of finacial stability and uncertainty about the future. thankfully, the book is almost done. but the hard part begins now: i.e., selling it. thank you very much for the responses! rani. vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > Dear Rani, > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is your > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta (being > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. 3/6/11 > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's book. > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then probably > there are other factors at work here. > > regards > Hari > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to remember > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as well. > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is > pisces > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm ready > for > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right > inside > > yet another one :-( . > > > > rani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 dear Visti and Gurus, I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of emails. I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK any relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is cancer and moon is in pisces. thanks! rani. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > Dear Rani, > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas during its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain. > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are different, but we consider them jointly. > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits. > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me about > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in addition > to) sadesati? > > rani. > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote: > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > Dear List, > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th. > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > onlyhari > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > Dear Rani, > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is your > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > (being > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > 3/6/11 > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's book. > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > probably > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > regards > > Hari > > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > remember > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as > well. > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is > > pisces > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > ready > > for > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right > > inside > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 "Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits." I am beginning to understand/realise why we all aim for nirvana. rani. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > Dear Rani, > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas during its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain. > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are different, but we consider them jointly. > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits. > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me about > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in addition > to) sadesati? > > rani. > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote: > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > Dear List, > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th. > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > onlyhari > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > Dear Rani, > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is your > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > (being > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > 3/6/11 > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's book. > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > probably > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > regards > > Hari > > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > remember > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as > well. > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is > > pisces > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > ready > > for > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right > > inside > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 dear JKda, LOL. you're right. but i am thinking this is where chart strengths come in right? ie if you have strong yogas that help you fight/deal with this constant barrage of stress and pressure. and also, mitigating factors like benefic planets in benefic houses that take some of the stress away and help you relax and put up your feet for a few moments. rani. vedic astrology, "j.k. dasgupta" <dgassociates@s...> wrote: > hi all, > > sadesati is for seven and half years and to be considered from chandra rashi. but sat transit over asc and on kendras from asc., on AL are also difficult. specially on AL except sadesati..other transit effects are for two and half years only. besides sat transit on 5th, 8th, 9th, 12th from moon are also not good. > > similar effects can be judged from varga charts also. > > it is hard to find a peacefull time (LOL) > > jk > - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Thursday, July 03, 2003 12:58 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to remember > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as well. > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is pisces > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm ready for > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right inside > yet another one :-( . > > rani. > > vedic astrology, Rajeswari Shankar > <rajeswarishankar> wrote: > > Dear Rani, > > > > It is considered to be from one's moon rasi.When saturn comes yr > previous rasi sade sati has started. > > > > Regards > > Raji > > > > > > raindancer_1998 <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > dear Hari, > > > > I have a small question: are sadesatis only to be considered from > > moon, or are the ascendant or the sun to be considered also? and > can > > it be considered on the navamsa chart from transits too? > > > > if all of the above apply, then we could conceivably have sadesatis > > going on ALL the time! yikes. > > > > rani. > > > > vedic astrology, "onlyhari" <onlyhari> > > wrote: > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > > Dear Ognjen and Siva, > > > > > > Transit of Sa in the 12th, 1st and 2nd from natal moon is > > generally > > > called as Sadesati or the 7.5 years of Saturn transit over natal > > > moon. This is thought to be a period of extreme stress and > mental > > > tensions. > > > > > > I have seen this in a couple of cases but again there are > > > exceptions. For example, I didnt face any difficulties during > the > > > 1st Sadesati. Similarly, a friend who also has natal moon in Ge > > > (Arudra nakshatra) is facing 1st Sadesati now and apart from > some > > > delay in getting his masters degree or job, didnt face any > > > difficulties so far. Even, I wonder if he could get married > during > > > this period! > > > > > > My opinion is that the 1st Sadesati is not very stressful while > > the > > > second sadesati would certainly be stressful. Thus the factor to > > be > > > considered should be the placement of natal moon and saturn with > > > respect to each other and how many Sadesatis can be expected > > within > > > the lifetime of an individual. Since the 2nd sadesati usually > > makes > > > the individual worldywise, the 3rd Sadesati is also not very > > > stressful because the native has by then developed the > > > experience/attitude to weather any storms. Of course, this > depends > > > to a great extent on the dasha that the individual is running. > > Again > > > my opinion is that Saturn Mahadasha + 2nd Sadesati is a double > > > whammy! > > > > > > respected Gurus may have other opinions, though. Siva, as per > > advice > > > of Gurus on this list, appropriate mantras are indicated. You > may > > > search the list to find out the remedies suggested. Sincere > > worship > > > in temples and visit to Saturn deity at Thirunallar may help you > > > greatly. Its all a matter of faith. > > > > > > regards > > > Hari > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Ognjen" > > > <ognjen.pavicevic@z...> wrote: > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > > > > > there must be some other factors also because I am in the same > > > postion like you ( Saturn transit over the natal Moon) and some > > > changes occur but I think that they are positive. > > > > > > > > Good luck. > > > > > > > > Ognjen > > > > - > > > > vijayuma > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:51 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) > > > over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the > > last > > > three > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > > financial > > > phase > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > > > positive > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have > been > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > > > technically > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > > > dramatically > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it > not > > a > > > fault > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is > > exactly > > > over > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > Place of birth > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > 10.23 N > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 dear Rao, namaste. yes, this makes eminent sense!! I have felt this way for the past almost seven years now. although, there have been times I have made considerable positive progress. I am still trying to figure out how shani as my atmakaraka figures into this equation. rani. vedic astrology, "Rao Nemani" <raonemani> wrote: > Dear Rani, > > If I remember correctly once Sanjay Ji said about the Kantaka Shani > effect would be like a "Lion limping" during that period. > > I always tries to understand the Sanskrit meaning of these definition > first, so I would think , Kantaka means "Thorn" so what happens to a > native when he/she gets Thorn in the feet, the result could be > walking slowly or limping, hence the "Kantaka Shani" meaning matches > with Sanjay ji' saying of "Lion Limping". > > It is only my little knowledge. Guru's may please correct me if I am > wrong. > > Regards > Rao > > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me > about > > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in addition > > to) sadesati? > > > > rani. > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <vishnu@l...> > > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > Dear List, > > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th. > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > onlyhari > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > > Dear Rani, > > > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is your > > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > > (being > > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > > 3/6/11 > > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's book. > > > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > > probably > > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > > > regards > > > Hari > > > vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > > remember > > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as > > well. > > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is > > > pisces > > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > > ready > > > for > > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right > > > inside > > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Dear Imran, thank you for this detailed post. it was very helpful. but I still seem to have questions about what houses for what. anyway, it seems that JKda is right, almost half the houses could be affected at any given time either by sadesati or by kantaka shani. many thanks. rani. vedic astrology, Muhammad Imran <astroimran> wrote: > Dear Hari, > Namaste, > > Yes, there are lot of exceptions for Sade Sati. Just read the follwoing mail on the the said topic. > Message No. 23793 > > > Sade Sati is not always of 7 years and 6 months long, its all depends on motion of Saturn (slow, fast, direct and retrograde etc.) over 12th, 1st and 2nd from natal Moon. Though the aggregate average makes seven and half years. Thus it is called the Sade-Sati i.e. period of seven and half years. > Now the question about whether the pivotal sign should either be Natal Moon or Lagna? But there are various opinion on it. e.g. In SA (system approach) transit is reckoned from natal lagna. Whereas some experts not only take Natal Moon but also consider Natal Lagna for delineating transit effects. Thus transit of Saturn behind, over and ahead of Lagna is assmused identical to Sade Sati. > In my humble opinion, transit should be reckoned from Moon, Lagna and Sun as well *(if we want to judge 3-dimentional flow of cosmic energy)*. As without this trinity (Lagna=Body, Moon=Mind and Sun=Soul), no picture can be completed. > Where the Transit from Natal Moon, yields general and apprent effects, i.e. What you feel? These results are very clear, and easily perceptible. > Transit from Lagna shows results on physical plane, i.e. limited to your physical self and generally not perceptible by others instead they exist. While the Transit from Sun reveals inner and spiritual conditions effected by planets in gochar. The results from Sun are quite deeper and can not cast an impact on external pattern of life. > The profundity of transitary effects are directly propotional to Ashtaka Varga (A.V). Thus without A.V. gochar can not be fully judge at all. Another important fearture is vedh and latta. > Now, I come to the point i.e. Sade Sati. There are some rules (and some are my observations) regarding Sadi Sati and its effects. > 1) If the Natal Moon is subjected to Kemadruma Yoga (formed when Moon is not flanked by any planet, excluding Sun and nodes) without cancellation then Sade-Sati yields adverse result. (why? due to reserve and lonely nature "kemadurma yoga holders" usually have) > 2) The effect of Sade Sati is inversly proportional to strength of Saturn in natal chart. That is, if Saturn is strong in natal chart then Sade Sati can't hit native, otherwise vice-versa holds good. > 3) If Moon is into sign of Venus, i.e. either in Taurus or Libra (because for Venusian signs Saturn becomes Yoga-Karaka) then Sade Sati would also not very harmful. (B.V.Raman eloborated it in his autobiography) > 4) If Moon is enjoyed by Shubha Adi Yoga(flanked by natural benefics) or Shubha Dhurdhura Yoga (benefics in 6th, 7th and 8th) then also Sade Sati does not lead to meleficent, even may evolve you. > 5) If there is powerful planet in 10th from Moon in natal chart, then the 1st phase of Sade Sati (i.e. saturn's transit in 12th) cant be bad, similarly if there is strong benefic in 7th from Moon the 2nd phase of Sade Sati (i.e. in 1st) can not be bad, and if there there is strong supporting planet in 4th from Moon then the last phase of Sade Sati wont feel adverse. > 6) The Sani-Paya (i.e. Murthi Rule; Silver, Gold, Copper and Iron w.r.t beneficent effects respectively) are also seemed a parameter to alter the intensity of Sade Sati. School of K.N.Rao believe this works very well. > 7) The rusult of Sade Sati is altered according to the strength of Natal Moon, if Moon is afflicted due to association of Rahu or Mars, combustion, or get lesser bindus in A.V. Because a weak Mind can't survive and/or fight in hostile environment. > 8) Finally the Dasanath may change the intensity of Sade Sati, e.g. a powerful dasanath(specially strong yoga-karaka) curtails the bad effect. > 9) Sade Sati does not hit elder peoples (as saturn is naturally eldest graha). In old age they generally brings forth diseases. > 10) If first sade sati was bad then second will not so wrost. But if first sade sati was favourable then second one may be troublesome. In other words effects are cyclical or oscillatory. > Regards > IMRAN > > > onlyhari <onlyhari> wrote: > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > Dear Ognjen and Siva, > > Transit of Sa in the 12th, 1st and 2nd from natal moon is generally > called as Sadesati or the 7.5 years of Saturn transit over natal > moon. This is thought to be a period of extreme stress and mental > tensions. > > I have seen this in a couple of cases but again there are > exceptions. For example, I didnt face any difficulties during the > 1st Sadesati. Similarly, a friend who also has natal moon in Ge > (Arudra nakshatra) is facing 1st Sadesati now and apart from some > delay in getting his masters degree or job, didnt face any > difficulties so far. Even, I wonder if he could get married during > this period! > > My opinion is that the 1st Sadesati is not very stressful while the > second sadesati would certainly be stressful. Thus the factor to be > considered should be the placement of natal moon and saturn with > respect to each other and how many Sadesatis can be expected within > the lifetime of an individual. Since the 2nd sadesati usually makes > the individual worldywise, the 3rd Sadesati is also not very > stressful because the native has by then developed the > experience/attitude to weather any storms. Of course, this depends > to a great extent on the dasha that the individual is running. Again > my opinion is that Saturn Mahadasha + 2nd Sadesati is a double > whammy! > > respected Gurus may have other opinions, though. Siva, as per advice > of Gurus on this list, appropriate mantras are indicated. You may > search the list to find out the remedies suggested. Sincere worship > in temples and visit to Saturn deity at Thirunallar may help you > greatly. Its all a matter of faith. > > regards > Hari > > vedic astrology, "Ognjen" > <ognjen.pavicevic@z...> wrote: > > Dear Siva, > > > > there must be some other factors also because I am in the same > postion like you ( Saturn transit over the natal Moon) and some > changes occur but I think that they are positive. > > > > Good luck. > > > > Ognjen > > - > > vijayuma > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 2:51 AM > > [vedic astrology] Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) > over natal Moon > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in the last > three > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad financial > phase > > for the last couple of years, my career was always moving in > positive > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i have been > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have been > technically > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped quite > dramatically > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most of it not a > fault > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me etc.). > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn is exactly > over > > my natal moon now. > > > > My DOB > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > Time Of Birth > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > Place of birth > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > Latitude and Longitude > > 10.23 N > > 78.52 E > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > Thanks > > Siva > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SBC DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 |Namah Shivaaya|Dear Rani, Transiting planets will not express their functional tendencies, only their natural. So the answer is no. Question is what are the transiting planets trigerring in our natal charts?Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - raindancer_1998 vedic astrology Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:42 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon dear Visti and Gurus, I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of emails. I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK any relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is cancer and moon is in pisces. thanks!rani. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > |Hare Rama Krishna|> Dear Rani,> Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas during its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain.> The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are different, but we consider them jointly.> Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon> > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me about > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in addition > to) sadesati? > > rani.> > --- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote:> > > > |Hare Rama Krishna|> > Dear List,> > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or 10th.> > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > - > > onlyhari > > vedic astrology > > Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM> > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> > Dear Rani,> > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is your > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > (being > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > 3/6/11 > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's book.> > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > probably > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > regards> > Hari> > --- In vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > <raindancer_1998> wrote:> > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > remember > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna as > well. > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I would > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi is > > pisces > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > ready > > for > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm right > > inside > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > rani.> > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic-> astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of Groups is subject to the Terms of > Service.> > > Groups Sponsor > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > Your use of is subject to the Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2003 Report Share Posted July 8, 2003 Hi Ash/Margarita/All, Thanks for all your inputs, is there a possibility to loose the job during this phase. --Siva , " ashsam73 " <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > Dear Margarita, > > How do you see court cases and their endings. I can see that Mercury > is LOE for 6th house. I am considering 6th house for court cases. I > do not know if this is correct though. > In any case Mercury has highest points of 25 for 6th house and next > antra is that of Ketu (Sun) who has just 10 points. > > Now, what gives court cases is it High points or Low points for 6th > house and what marks the end again is it low points or high points ? > > Mahadasha is that of Shani and Shani holds karaktwa for 8th and 9th > house so how do we know that a particular antra will give " court > case " as compared to " desease " or " a job " all of it are 6th house > matters so how can we know that Shani/Mercury antra the person may > face a court case ? Here Shani is placed in 6th house with more > points but as per the system planets do not give results related to > the house they are placed but if with more points then of 4th and 8th > house from it.... > > More and more questions... hope to get some guidance... > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , " dirk & margarita > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > Hello Siva, Ash, and listmembers, > > OK for your TOB, it should thus be accurate. > > Of course I'm waiting untill Krushna can give some more > clarification about > > the role Rahu can play because Ash and myself have different > opinion and > > things have to be cleared up first otherwise discussion is useless. > > As to your divorce, I think it will get settled in Mercury antar so > this is > > before end of january 2004, but I would like someone else's > opinion about > > that. > > > > Best regards > > Margarita > > > > vijayuma [vijayuma] > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 8:23 PM > > > > Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > Hi Margarita, Ash and All, > > > > since you all are looking for exact dates to get some > understanding > > on my chart, here are the exact facts. > > > > 1) My birth time is considered to be very accurate. Our family > > beleives in astrology, we have family astrologers and birth of a > > child is timed correctly, i would say that there is no need to > even > > think of correction of time. > > > > 2) My marraige date February 9 1996 (Forced marraige, i was > married > > to my mom's own brothers daughter, it is a practice in south > indian > > families) > > > > 3) first child June 12 1997 (daughter was born in India, but i > was in > > USA at that time) > > > > 4) second child september 30 1998 (Son was born in USA) > > > > 5) seperation date first weeek of february 1999 > > > > 6) filed divorce march 2000; still divorce is going on, since a > > contested divorce takes around 4 years in India. > > > > 7) Both children have not seen their mother from the date of > > seperation (daughter was 20 months and son was 4 months), though > both > > children are under my custody they live with my parents in India, > i > > have not seen my children from March 2000 but plan to visit this > > august. > > > > 8) Basically from 1999 all sorts of problems marraige, finance > (lots > > of debts), and now career. > > > > But still holding on that it will get better. > > > > Hope all the above information helps a little bit to judge the > > reasons. > > > > --Siva > > > > , " ashsam73 " > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > Dear Margarita, > > > I am adding my comments below your comments. > > > > > > , " dirk & > margarita > > > lettens " <dmlettens@s...> wrote: > > > > Hello Ash, > > > > Good questions, I just put in my meaning in your text. > > > > > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73@h...] > > > > Saturday, July 05, 2003 11:32 AM > > > > > > > > Re: Transit Saturn > Exactly > > (in > > > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Krushnaji, Margarita and Siva, > > > > > > > > Siva, can you confirm if you were married between 20th Feb > and > > > 28th > > > > of Feb i.e. Suns transit over Saturn and Rahu. (Saturn is > LOD > > and > > > > Rahu in House D). > > > > > > > > Can you also give either the birth dates or conception time > of > > > your > > > > children. > > > > > > > > Krushnaji and Margarita since Siva was married in Guru/Rahu > > > (shani) > > > > and seperation happened in Shani/shani here how can you time > > > > seperatoin in Shani/Shani ? > > > > WE SEE THT ONLY JUPITER HAS GOOD POINTS IN 5th,7th AND > > 12th.THE > > > ONLY ONE > > > > THAT COULD GIVE RESULTS FOR MARRIAGE WAS THUS JUPITER.NOW HIS > > ANTRA > > > WAS IN > > > > 1982 AND THEN THE NATIVE WAS ONLY 12 YEARS OLD. MARRIAGE > HAPPENED > > > IN RAHU > > > > ANTAR BECAUSE RAHU IS IN SAG. AND DOES THE JOB FOR JUPITER. > THIS > > > SEEMS OK TO > > > > ME. > > > > > > > > > > Ash : The way I came to Rahu antra in Shani main was I > considered > > > Moderate delay due to shani and then at that time after delay of > > > shani was over Mars antra in Shani main was running. So Mars > having > > > just 7 bindus could not give marriage. Next antra was that of > > Rahu. > > > Rahu represents (Shani only) and Shani is LOD and is placed in > > House > > > D so will result on priority. That is why I came to conclusion > of > > > Rahu antra. Yes Shani is very weak for all houses but he is > LOD so > > > we do not consider points and nodes in House D or E will give > > result > > > on prority as they are tennants there. > > > > > > > LOOKING AT SATURN, HIS POINTS ARE VERY LOW FOR ALL HOUSES. > THE > > > ONLY PLANET > > > > SATURN IS SAMDHARMI TO IS VENUS WHO CAN GIVE RESULTS FOR THE > 2nd > > > HOUSE. > > > > VENUS ALSO HAS 5 POINTS FOR THE 7th, HOUSE E FOR THE 2nd. SO I > > > THINK SATURN > > > > ACTS FOR VENUS. LOOKING AT THE KARAK FOR THE 2nd HOUSE IT'S > THE > > > MOON AND > > > > MOON IS IN SATURN NAVAMSA, SO THERE WE ALSO SEE A RELATIONSHIP > > WITH > > > THE MAHA > > > > DASA LORD. OF COURSE IT'S ALWAYS MORE EASY TO SEE THINGS WHEN > > THEY > > > HAVE > > > > HAPPENED..... I COULDN'T HAVE PREDICTED FOR SURE A SEPARATION > OR > > > DIVORCE > > > > ALTHOUGH IT'S CLEAR THAT MARRIAGE WAS NOT HAPPY > > > > > > Ash : There are other factors that do not auger well for > marriage > > as > > > pointed out in my previous mail which could indicate a > seperation > > but > > > why in Shani/Shani. Shani, yes it has low points for all houses > > but > > > its LOD for 7th house, why did it not sustain marriage ? Agreed > > its > > > in 6th house with high bindus but still its LOD. I would like > > > Krushnaji to comment on the same. So that we could have > predicted > > > with more confidence in antras of LOD or LOE a break up. Also > in > > the > > > past we have predicted break up happening " quickly " in LOD or > LOE > > but > > > that was when Marriage happened in low significator and break in > > > highest significator or LOD or LOE here Marriage happened in > Rahu > > who > > > is LOD and Breakup also in LOD Only difference is Mahadasha > changed > > > but still Antras have precidence over Mahadasha as per this > > system. > > > Hence my confusion. > > > > > > > Secondly, how can you have timed children in Rahu or Shanis > > > antra ? > > > > All planets except Sun and Guru have weak points for 5th > house > > and > > > > Ketu in 10th house can give... any insights on why Shanis > > antra > > > > gave 2 children, Marriage in Rahu is understandable but > > children > > > I am > > > > puzzled ? > > > > I THINK CONCEPTION OF CHILDREN ALSO TOOK PLACE IN RAHU > ANTAR. > > I > > > DON'T SEE > > > > SATURN ABLE TO DO THIS. MARRIAGE WAS IN BEGINNING OF RAHU > ANTAR > > > WHICH IS > > > > NEARLY 29 MONTHS SO WITH A BIT OF LUCK THIS WORKS ESPECIALLY > IF > > THE > > > FIRST > > > > CHILD WAS CONCEIVED EARLY AFTER MARRIAGE DATE. > > > > > > > > > > Ash : Again, Margarita, Rahu represents only Shani. As its in > its > > > own nakshsatra and in sign of Shani. So I am confused retarding > > > Birth of Children as Marriage happened in Rahu (Shani) and > Broke in > > > Shanis' antra, so children also were born in Shanis' or Rahus' > > antra > > > but but represent Shani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again here, I could get the right antra for marriage but > goofed > > > up on > > > > identifying the correct 1/3rd portion. I chose 2nd sector > due > > to > > > the > > > > fact that there is moderate delay in Sivas chart but the > event > > > > happened in the first 1/3rd sector. What is the reasoning > > behind > > > > this ? Why first 1/3rd portion of Rahu's antra ? > > > > NO ASH, I'M AT LOSS TOO. I ALSO WENT FOR THE 2nd PART > BECAUSE > > > RAHU IS IN > > > > SATURN SIGN AND JUPITER NAVAMSA BUT WITH SATURN. I TRIED TO > > CHANGE > > > THE TOB > > > > BUT IT'S HARD TO MAKE HIM MARRY IN THE 2ndPART AS 2 CHILDREN > HAVE > > > STILL TO > > > > BE CONCEIVED IN RAHU ANTAR ..... > > > > > > > > > > Ash : Ok, so Krushnaji can step in here and guide us on why > event > > > happened in 1nd sector. > > > > > > > Please share your insights and guide me to understand > narrowing > > > down > > > > further to the proper sector .... > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > Thanks Margarita, > > > Cheers !!! > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > --- In , " vijayuma " > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > HI Ash, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the inputs, appreciate them. regarding your > > > > > clarification questions, > > > > > I was married in feb 1996 > > > > > I have two children one son and one daughter, I filed > divorce > > in > > > > > March 2000 still divorce case is being prolonged (in > india a > > > > > contested divorce takes 4 years). > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Siva > > > > > --- In > , " ashsam73 " > > > > > <ashsam73@h...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Siva, > > > > > > I casted your chart. Margarita has given a very good > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would however like to verify a few things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Were you married in Jupiter/Rahu antra i.e. between > 1995/12 > > > thru > > > > > > 1998/21. I would say in the 2nd sector i.e After > > 1996/August > > > > thru > > > > > > 1997/May. Rahu reprsents Shani who is LOD. > > > > > > > > > > > > Can you verify if you have any children > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next antra is that of Shani. Shani is very weak for > each > > and > > > > every > > > > > > house. This antra starts from 1998/05/21 thru > 2001/05/23. > > So > > > > > > Issues could have begun from there. Even the previous > > period > > > of > > > > > > Guru/Rahu would not have been a walk in the park i.e. > > 1995/12 > > > > thru > > > > > > 1998/21. However the problems might be different as > Gurus > > > > karaktwa > > > > > > is different from Shanis. > > > > > > > > > > > > Shani is in 6th house with 5 bindus. Here LOD is > situated > > in > > > 6th > > > > > > house. Guru is in Libra. You have 2 zero point in 2nd > > house > > > > which > > > > > > is Karak sthan for marriage and family and for 7th house > > > which is > > > > > > for marriage. Mars is giving 0 for 7th house and Shani > is > > > giving > > > > 0 > > > > > > for 2nd house. 6th lord aspecting LOD in Rasi. LOE is > in > > > > > nakshatra > > > > > > of Guru who is spoilt being in Libra. All these things > do > > not > > > > auger > > > > > > well for marriage. Current antra running has very low > > points > > > for > > > > > > 5th house and also all planets are less than 12 points > for > > > 12th > > > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > As Margarita had pointed out.. Shani has finsished his > > transit > > > > over > > > > > > taurus and at that time Mars was also transitting over > > > > Sagittarius > > > > > > so you definitely must have been through hell and > problems > > > faced > > > > > > would come in the form of house ownerships of shani and > mars > > > > which > > > > > > is 1st and 6th house for mars and 3rd and 4th house for > > shani > > > so > > > > > you > > > > > > would not have gotten any support from these houses when > > shani > > > > and > > > > > > mars transitted over taurus and sagittarius. Problems > must > > > > > > definitely have started brewing from that time onwards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Current Antra running is that of Mercury. Mercury is > LOE > > for > > > 6th > > > > > > house but its with Mars who is 6th lord and also in > Navamsa > > > Mars > > > > is > > > > > > aspecting Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now if you observe closely at the Transit chart of 29th > of > > > June > > > > > your > > > > > > antra lord Mercury is in Navamsa of Mars. Mercury is > > > samdharmi > > > > to > > > > > > Mars in Rasi. Transit points for June 29th were 201 so > > > Mercury > > > > > will > > > > > > give results of its samdharmi Mars who is 6th lord !!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is LOE for Job but with Mars might not give pure > > > > > happiness. > > > > > > > > > > > > I also feel Venus antra will be better for you as its > > getting > > > > good > > > > > > points for pretty much all houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hang in there and remember every dark cloud has a silver > > > lining. > > > > > > > > > > > > Wish you all the best, > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > , " vijayuma " > > > > > > <vijayuma> wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All sorts of problems have errupted all of a sudden in > > the > > > last > > > > > > three > > > > > > > to four days in my life. Though i have had a very bad > > > financial > > > > > > phase > > > > > > > for the last couple of years, my career was always > moving > > in > > > > > > positive > > > > > > > direction, but the first time in my 10 year career i > have > > > been > > > > > > > challenged that my work for the past 6 months have > been > > > > > > technically > > > > > > > sloppy. Basically the status has work has dropped > quite > > > > > > dramatically > > > > > > > in last 3 days with bombardment from all sides most > of it > > > not a > > > > > > fault > > > > > > > of mine (miscommunication, blame of others on me > etc.). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Are all these due to the fact that the transit saturn > is > > > > exactly > > > > > > over > > > > > > > my natal moon now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My DOB > > > > > > > 20/october/1970 (Tuesday) > > > > > > > Time Of Birth > > > > > > > 8:45 am (No DST) > > > > > > > Place of birth > > > > > > > Near pudukottai, TamilNadu, India, +5:30 East GMT > > > > > > > Latitude and Longitude > > > > > > > 10.23 N > > > > > > > 78.52 E > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any inputs on near future w.r.t this is appreciated > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2003 Report Share Posted July 10, 2003 I think I understand what you mean. but just to clarify further (I know I get stupid during these times but I need to get it all deeper into my head ;-)). so, only if my rasi chart's Sani had something to do with my moon's or lagna's position could the kanataka sani effect it and trigger anything? rani. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > |Namah Shivaaya| > Dear Rani, > Transiting planets will not express their functional tendencies, only their natural. So the answer is no. Question is what are the transiting planets trigerring in our natal charts? > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:42 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon > > > dear Visti and Gurus, > > I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of emails. > I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! > > on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK any > relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is > cancer and moon is in pisces. > > thanks! > rani. > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote: > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > Dear Rani, > > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones > work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and > Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas during > its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and > nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain. > > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are > different, but we consider them jointly. > > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional > charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits. > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > raindancer_1998 > > vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me > about > > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in > addition > > to) sadesati? > > > > rani. > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <vishnu@l...> > > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > Dear List, > > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or > 10th. > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > onlyhari > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > > Dear Rani, > > > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is > your > > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > > (being > > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > > 3/6/11 > > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's > book. > > > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > > probably > > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > > > regards > > > Hari > > > vedic- astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > > remember > > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna > as > > well. > > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I > would > > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi > is > > > pisces > > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > > ready > > > for > > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm > right > > > inside > > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 11, 2003 Report Share Posted July 11, 2003 |Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah|Dear Rani, >From now on i expect you to recite the mantra; Namah Shivaaya, atleast 108 times a day using Rudraksha Mala, and Gyana Mudra. If you wanto learn Jyotish then you must put your body, mind and soul into it. Believe me, you will feel a significant difference very soon. Inhale with Om, exhale with Namah Shivaaya. Now the Moon is placed somewhere in your natal chart. When Shani hovers (transits) over it or cast his laserbeam eyes on the Moons 10th house during transit, then the Natal Moon, which is our mana and connection with the public, suffers. I have not talked about Natal Yoga's yet. If your natal moon is involved in some horrible yoga's, then Shani's transit gets even worse. The logic is simple. The worse the inherrent state of the mind, the worse will be the effects of people influencing it. And Shani is definitely among the more malefic type of people.Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - raindancer_1998 vedic astrology Friday, July 11, 2003 6:36 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon I think I understand what you mean. but just to clarify further (I know I get stupid during these times but I need to get it all deeper into my head ;-)). so, only if my rasi chart's Sani had something to do with my moon's or lagna's position could the kanataka sani effect it and trigger anything? rani.--- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > |Namah Shivaaya|> Dear Rani,> Transiting planets will not express their functional tendencies, only their natural. So the answer is no. Question is what are the transiting planets trigerring in our natal charts?> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:42 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon> > > dear Visti and Gurus, > > I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of emails. > I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! > > on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK any > relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is > cancer and moon is in pisces. > > thanks!> rani. > > --- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote:> > > > |Hare Rama Krishna|> > Dear Rani,> > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones > work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and > Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas during > its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and > nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain.> > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are > different, but we consider them jointly.> > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional > charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits.> > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > raindancer_1998 > > To: vedic astrology > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM> > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told me > > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell me > about > > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more or > > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in > addition > > to) sadesati? > > > > rani.> > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <vishnu@l...> > > wrote:> > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna|> > > Dear List,> > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th or > 10th.> > > Best wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > > - > > > onlyhari > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM> > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> > > Dear Rani,> > > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi is > your > > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa in Ta > > (being > > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for you. > > 3/6/11 > > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per Narasimha's > book.> > > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, then > > probably > > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > > > regards> > > Hari> > > --- In vedic astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > > <raindancer_1998> wrote:> > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > > remember > > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from lagna > as > > well. > > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, I > would > > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my rashi > is > > > pisces > > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so I'm > > ready > > > for > > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and I'm > right > > > inside > > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > > > rani.> > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > > Service.> > > > > > Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic-> astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 15, 2003 Report Share Posted July 15, 2003 thanks Visti. it's much clearer to me now. Sani's transit is as bad as you chart makes it. I already do the chant you mentioned. but I do not have the rudraksha mala. don't know where I would get it here. also, what is the gyana mudra? again, many thanks, rani. vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > |Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah| > Dear Rani, > From now on i expect you to recite the mantra; Namah Shivaaya, atleast 108 times a day using Rudraksha Mala, and Gyana Mudra. If you wanto learn Jyotish then you must put your body, mind and soul into it. Believe me, you will feel a significant difference very soon. > Inhale with Om, exhale with Namah Shivaaya. > > Now the Moon is placed somewhere in your natal chart. When Shani hovers (transits) over it or cast his laserbeam eyes on the Moons 10th house during transit, then the Natal Moon, which is our mana and connection with the public, suffers. I have not talked about Natal Yoga's yet. If your natal moon is involved in some horrible yoga's, then Shani's transit gets even worse. > The logic is simple. The worse the inherrent state of the mind, the worse will be the effects of people influencing it. And Shani is definitely among the more malefic type of people. > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > - > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Friday, July 11, 2003 6:36 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon > > > I think I understand what you mean. but just to clarify further (I > know I get stupid during these times but I need to get it all deeper > into my head ;-)). so, only if my rasi chart's Sani had something to > do with my moon's or lagna's position could the kanataka sani effect > it and trigger anything? > > rani. > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote: > > > > |Namah Shivaaya| > > Dear Rani, > > Transiting planets will not express their functional tendencies, > only their natural. So the answer is no. Question is what are the > transiting planets trigerring in our natal charts? > > Best wishes > > Visti > > --- > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > - > > raindancer_1998 > > vedic astrology > > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:42 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > dear Visti and Gurus, > > > > I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of > emails. > > I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! > > > > on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK > any > > relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is > > cancer and moon is in pisces. > > > > thanks! > > rani. > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <vishnu@l...> > > wrote: > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > Dear Rani, > > > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones > > work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and > > Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas > during > > its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and > > nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain. > > > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are > > different, but we consider them jointly. > > > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional > > charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits. > > > Best wishes > > > Visti > > > --- > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > - > > > raindancer_1998 > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told > me > > > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell > me > > about > > > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more > or > > > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > > > > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in > > addition > > > to) sadesati? > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > > <vishnu@l...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna| > > > > Dear List, > > > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th > or > > 10th. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Visti > > > > --- > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > - > > > > onlyhari > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly > (in > > > degrees) over natal Moon > > > > > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah--- > > > > Dear Rani, > > > > > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi > is > > your > > > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa > in Ta > > > (being > > > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for > you. > > > 3/6/11 > > > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per > Narasimha's > > book. > > > > > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, > then > > > probably > > > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > > > > > regards > > > > Hari > > > > vedic- > astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > > > <raindancer_1998> wrote: > > > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > > > remember > > > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from > lagna > > as > > > well. > > > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, > I > > would > > > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my > rashi > > is > > > > pisces > > > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so > I'm > > > ready > > > > for > > > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and > I'm > > right > > > > inside > > > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > > > > > rani. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted July 16, 2003 Report Share Posted July 16, 2003 |Vyam Vyasadevaaya Namah|Dear Rani, Gyan or Vyakha Mudra is the tip of the thumb joined the tip of the index finger, as the index finger is bent. The other fingers are straight.Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - raindancer_1998 vedic astrology Wednesday, July 16, 2003 12:04 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon thanks Visti. it's much clearer to me now. Sani's transit is as bad as you chart makes it. I already do the chant you mentioned. but I do not have the rudraksha mala. don't know where I would get it here. also, what is the gyana mudra? again, many thanks,rani.vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> > |Vyam Vyaasadevaaya Namah|> Dear Rani,> From now on i expect you to recite the mantra; Namah Shivaaya, atleast 108 times a day using Rudraksha Mala, and Gyana Mudra. If you wanto learn Jyotish then you must put your body, mind and soul into it. Believe me, you will feel a significant difference very soon.> Inhale with Om, exhale with Namah Shivaaya.> > Now the Moon is placed somewhere in your natal chart. When Shani hovers (transits) over it or cast his laserbeam eyes on the Moons 10th house during transit, then the Natal Moon, which is our mana and connection with the public, suffers. I have not talked about Natal Yoga's yet. If your natal moon is involved in some horrible yoga's, then Shani's transit gets even worse.> The logic is simple. The worse the inherrent state of the mind, the worse will be the effects of people influencing it. And Shani is definitely among the more malefic type of people.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> ----- Original Message ----- > raindancer_1998 > vedic astrology > Friday, July 11, 2003 6:36 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in degrees) over natal Moon> > > I think I understand what you mean. but just to clarify further (I > know I get stupid during these times but I need to get it all deeper > into my head ;-)). so, only if my rasi chart's Sani had something to > do with my moon's or lagna's position could the kanataka sani effect > it and trigger anything? > > rani.> > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> > wrote:> > > > |Namah Shivaaya|> > Dear Rani,> > Transiting planets will not express their functional tendencies, > only their natural. So the answer is no. Question is what are the > transiting planets trigerring in our natal charts?> > Best wishes> > Visti> > ---> > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > ----- Original Message ----- > > raindancer_1998 > > To: vedic astrology > > Tuesday, July 08, 2003 5:42 PM> > [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > dear Visti and Gurus, > > > > I'm sorry if I sort of repeated myself before in a couple of > emails. > > I forgot that I replied to Hari's emails before! > > > > on the note of Kantaka Shani -- Visti -- is having Shani as AK > any > > relief? or is it even more intense? my AL is scorpio, lagna is > > cancer and moon is in pisces. > > > > thanks!> > rani. > > > > --- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > <vishnu@l...> > > wrote:> > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna|> > > Dear Rani,> > > Kanataka is thorn, and feels like a constant obstacle in ones > > work. This work is seen from the 10th house from Lagna, Moon and > > Arudha Lagna, and when Shani has Graha dristi on these bhavas > during > > its transit, the effects of the thorn in ones leg are felt, and > > nothing seems to be going anywhere, whilst causing constant pain.> > > The philosophies/basis of Kanataka Shani and Sade Sati are > > different, but we consider them jointly.> > > Also keep in mind that Transits can be reckoned in Divisional > > charts as well. This is the first step into Bhrigu Transits.> > > Best wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > > - > > > raindancer_1998 > > > vedic astrology > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 10:36 AM> > > Subject: [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly (in > > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > > > > visti, THAT's what I was thinking of! that's what you told > me > > > before. kanataka shani. but what does it mean? you did tell > me > > about > > > depression and yes, that did happen and is still around more > or > > > less. though I am trying to work thru it. > > > > > > also, are kanataka shani's effects separate from (and in > > addition > > > to) sadesati? > > > > > > rani.> > > > > > vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" > > <vishnu@l...> > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > |Hare Rama Krishna|> > > > Dear List,> > > > Has anyone forgot Kanataka Shani? Shani in 1st, 4th, 8th > or > > 10th.> > > > Best wishes> > > > Visti> > > > ---> > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> > > > - > > > > onlyhari > > > > vedic astrology > > > > Thursday, July 03, 2003 9:56 AM> > > > Subject: [vedic astrology] Re: Transit Saturn Exactly > (in > > > degrees) over natal Moon> > > > > > > > > > > > ---Om Brihaspataye Namah---> > > > Dear Rani,> > > > > > > > As much as I sympathize with you, I must say that if Pi > is > > your > > > > chandra lagna, then the gochar 3rd house transit of Sa > in Ta > > > (being > > > > also the 11th from Cn lagna)should have been good for > you. > > > 3/6/11 > > > > Gochar transit of Sa is considered good as per > Narasimha's > > book.> > > > > > > > If this is not the case as hinted emphatically by you, > then > > > probably > > > > there are other factors at work here. > > > > > > > > regards> > > > Hari> > > > vedic-> astrology, "raindancer_1998" > > > > <raindancer_1998> wrote:> > > > > hi Raji, Anna, and Hari, > > > > > > > > > > thanks for all your rsponses. it's just that I seem to > > > remember > > > > > Visti once writing that you can have sadesati from > lagna > > as > > > well. > > > > > but I can't remember the number of the posting. Hari, > I > > would > > > > > breathe big relief if it were only from the moon. my > rashi > > is > > > > pisces > > > > > and these past three-four years were DIFFICULT! and so > I'm > > > ready > > > > for > > > > > a bit of a breather! if not, my lagna is cancer and > I'm > > right > > > > inside > > > > > yet another one :-( . > > > > > > > > > > rani.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > > astrology/info.html> > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......> > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu > || > > > > > > > > Terms > of > > > Service.> > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > > > Group info: vedic-> > astrology/info.html> > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-> > > > > > > > ....... 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