Fwd: Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BC

[Guest guest]

Maybe this article might be of interest to some

 

Abundance

 

Suniil John

Balamurali <murali (AT) dragonindia (DOT) com> wrote:

"Balamurali" Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BCSat, 8

Nov 2003 11:14:11 +0530

Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BC

none; text-underline: none; mso-bidi-font-size: 19.0pt">SUNIT BEZBAROOWA & ARVIND JOSHI

Arial; FONT-SIZE: 8pt; mso-bidi-font-size: 11.0pt">TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ SATURDAY,

NOVEMBER 08, 2003 02:12:42

AM ]

"Ram was and is for real. He was born on January 10, 5114 BC," Saroj Bala, IRS,

Commisioner of Income Tax says, calmly, with the assurance of one who has

tangible facts.

 

Taking on the contemporary historical interpretation of Ramayana as a

religio-literary text, and Lord Ram as a semi-mythical figure, is this

unassuming person who zealously devotes her spare time to research in history

when she's not playing the tax mandarin.

And she has chosen the unusual combination of astronomy, Internet and literary

texts to provide us a startling picture of Shri Ram. This might change the way

we look at history and religion. We might refuse to begin reading Indian

history from that comma, or hyphen called 'Indus Valley

black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">.' We might have to stretch the

beginnings by a few thousand years because, as Saroj Bala says - Ram was born

on January 10, 5114 BC.

Excerpts of an interview with the lady who has the intellectual courage to go

beyond the obvious:

What got it all started…

As an amateur historian, I've always been interested in Indian culture and

heritage. I am proud that we're Indians and the products of one of the oldest

civilisations. However, British rule changed us; we developed a sense of being

somehow inferior.

But I could never reconcile to theories like the theory of Aryan invasion to

India in 1500 BC. That would make Indian civilization only 3,500 years old.

And if you choose archaeology to dig beyond 7,000 years, you'd have to dig more

than 60 metres - something not being done in India as yet. So, archaeology is

not the only answer. There's a lot of objective research of another kind that

needs to be carried out in earnest.

So, how can we say Ram was born on January 10, 5114 B.C…

My colleague Pushkar Bhatnagar of Indian Revenue Service is the real originator

of this theory. He acquired a software named Planetarium, used to predict

planetary movements and configurations.

By entering in this software, precise details of planetary positions vis-à-vis

zodiac constellations described by Maharishi Valmiki in the Valmiki Ramayan, it

is possible to determine important dates starting from Shri Ram's birth-date to

the date of his return to Ayodhya.

More than just Ram's date of birth…

The results have not just thrown up Shri Ram's date of birth; it has actually

traced the entire sequence of incidents throughout Ramayan.

Pushkar Bhatnagar starts with tracing Ram's birth. Then he moves ahead in the

narrative. Valmiki Ramayan states Ram was 25 years old when he went to exile.

When the configuration of planets described at this point is fed into the

software, the date thrown up matches perfectly with Ram's age at that juncture

of his life - 25 years.

Again in the 13th year of Ram's exile, during a war with Khar and Dushan,

Valmiki describes a solar eclipse. The software proves that on that given day

there was indeed a solar eclipse (with Mars in the middle). This solar eclipse

and the particular configuration of planets could be seen from Panchavati

(longitude and latitude plainly shown in the software).

Hanuman Saw 8 Constellations while flying to Lanka…

In the Sunderkand, when Valmiki describes Hanuman crossing the sea and returning

from Lanka to Rameshwaram, he gives details of 8 constellations. Usually, one

can see not more than 6 constellations at a given point of time. But since

Hanuman was flying across, and it must have taken him approximately 4

hrs to get there, he could see 8 constellations - in two hours one constellation

would have moved out of sight and another become visible. So, in a period of 4

hrs he saw 8 constellations!

Historicising Shri Ram. Man or God…

After researching on Shri Ram, I do believe he's a man who walked the earth in

flesh and blood. There is an essential difference between the Valmiki Ramayana

and the Tulsi Ramayana. Tulsidas was a devotee who looked up to Ram, but

Valmiki was a contemporary. Valmiki has written Ram's life-history, as a

biographer does - he's a contemporary of Ram, and this is not very different

from what happens all over the world. Kings have always had their life-history

written.

The submerged bridge…

Recently, NASA had put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins

of which are submerged in Palk Strait between Ramesh

black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">waram and Sri Lanka. This clearly

should be treated as historical evidence that corroborates its mention in

Valmiki Ramayana.

The puzzle of Indian history…

The presence of Ramayana, Mahabharata and Vedas cannot be explained by the short

period between the decline of the Indus valley civilization and the Rig Vedic

period. A civilization cannot suddenly burst into advanced writing.

One needs to look at various sources of history to re-build it. Especially when

looking at ancient history. One needs to excavate, look at literature, ancient

texts, astronomy.

Government apathy to archaeological diggings and investigation in this direction…

There's been a very strange development in the media and the people of India. We

have started seeing ancient India as something equivalent to the word 'Hindu'.

The very word Hindu came into

circulation only after the advent of Islam in India. In Ramayana and the Vedas,

there is no mention of the word 'Hindu'. At the most, there is only mention of

terms like 'Aryavrat' or 'Bharatvarsh' and residents here are called as

'Aryans'. Since centuries, Christians, Muslims, Sikhs have been living in this

country and it's their land as much as it is to a Hindu. Anything that has

happened on this land in the past is their common heritage. But, unfortunately,

politicians with vested interests have divided the people on artificial

religious lines and making it appear that anything related to ancient

India was perhaps related to Hindu, which is not the case and should not be the case.

There has never been any strong will…

It is not that researches have been not taken place. There has been excellent

work done by noted historians like Sir Alexander Cunningham and Dr Lal.

Cunningham has written as many as 21 volumes on ancient Indian history. But one

needs special permissions to access these texts.

Unfortunately, Cunningham's work that has very important information has not

seen the light of the day. Dr. Lal has pictured the ancient city of Dwarka and

it can be read in 'The lost city of Dwarka

FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">'. He has listed out 1000 artifacts. Only

9 crores needed to be sanctioned by the government in placing a transparent

tube to the sea-bed that could allow people to see for themselves the wonder

that was Dwarka.

And now people equate the sum total of ancient history to 'a temple or no-temple' at Ayodhya.

Delay in research also because science hadn't arrived…

Without the aid of science it is practically impossible to manually calculate

the exact planetary configuration 7, 000 years back. It is science which is

going to validate our history and prove that it is much older than 3, 500

years.

What would be the implications of your research on the society?

I seriously feel that there can only be positive effects of my research. In

fact, Indians should seriously re-look how old is our history and culture. This

is not the end of the research; it's just the beginning. People should be

encouraged to do more in-depth research by all means such as archaeology,

dating methods and oceanography.

Max Mueller had come up with the theory that Aryans had come to India in 1500

B.C. In the Internet, Max Mueller Foundations says that that they have

re-looked at this theory and is of the opinion that this theory is no longer

valid because Indian history is much older than that period. It's just that

people have to open up their minds and find out the answers for themselves.

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

K.B.Balmurali

Best regards, Sunil John

 

Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil,

An excellent article. Wish the researcher had mentioned planetary positions that

matched by giving quotes from Ramayana.

Chandrashekhar.

sunil john [jjnet2000_in ]Sent:

Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:03 PMvedic astrology listSubject:

[vedic astrology] Fwd: Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BC

Dear Learned Members

 

Maybe this article might be of interest to some

 

Abundance

 

Suniil John

Balamurali <murali (AT) dragonindia (DOT) com> wrote:

"Balamurali" Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BCSat, 8

Nov 2003 11:14:11 +0530

Lord Ram was born on Jan 10, 5114 BCSUNIT BEZBAROOWA & ARVIND JOSHITIMES NEWS

NETWORK[ SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 08, 2003 02:12:42 AM ]

"Ram was and is for real. He was born on January 10, 5114 BC," Saroj Bala, IRS,

Commisioner of Income Tax says, calmly, with the assurance of one who has

tangible facts.

 

Taking on the contemporary historical interpretation of Ramayana as a

religio-literary text, and Lord Ram as a semi-mythical figure, is this

unassuming person who zealously devotes her spare time to research in history

when she's not playing the tax mandarin.

And she has chosen the unusual combination of astronomy, Internet and literary

texts to provide us a startling picture of Shri Ram. This might change the way

we look at history and religion. We might refuse to begin reading Indian

history from that comma, or hyphen called 'Indus Valley.' We might have to

stretch the beginnings by a few thousand years because, as Saroj Bala says -

Ram was born on January 10, 5114 BC.

Excerpts of an interview with the lady who has the intellectual courage to go

beyond the obvious:

What got it all started…

As an amateur historian, I've always been interested in Indian culture and

heritage. I am proud that we're Indians and the products of one of the oldest

civilisations. However, British rule changed us; we developed a sense of being

somehow inferior.

But I could never reconcile to theories like the theory of Aryan invasion to

India in 1500 BC. That would make Indian civilization only 3,500 years old.

And if you choose archaeology to dig beyond 7,000 years, you'd have to dig more

than 60 metres - something not being done in India as yet. So, archaeology is

not the only answer. There's a lot of objective research of another kind that

needs to be carried out in earnest.

So, how can we say Ram was born on January 10, 5114 B.C…

My colleague Pushkar Bhatnagar of Indian Revenue Service is the real originator

of this theory. He acquired a software named Planetarium, used to predict

planetary movements and configurations.

By entering in this software, precise details of planetary positions vis-à-vis

zodiac constellations described by Maharishi Valmiki in the Valmiki Ramayan, it

is possible to determine important dates starting from Shri Ram's birth-date to

the date of his return to Ayodhya.

More than just Ram's date of birth…

The results have not just thrown up Shri Ram's date of birth; it has actually

traced the entire sequence of incidents throughout Ramayan.

Pushkar Bhatnagar starts with tracing Ram's birth. Then he moves ahead in the

narrative. Valmiki Ramayan states Ram was 25 years old when he went to exile.

When the configuration of planets described at this point is fed into the

software, the date thrown up matches perfectly with Ram's age at that juncture

of his life - 25 years.

Again in the 13th year of Ram's exile, during a war with Khar and Dushan,

Valmiki describes a solar eclipse. The software proves that on that given day

there was indeed a solar eclipse (with Mars in the middle). This solar eclipse

and the particular configuration of planets could be seen from Panchavati

(longitude and latitude plainly shown in the software).

Hanuman Saw 8 Constellations while flying to Lanka…

In the Sunderkand, when Valmiki describes Hanuman crossing the sea and returning

from Lanka to Rameshwaram, he gives details of 8 constellations. Usually, one

can see not more than 6 constellations at a given point of time. But since

Hanuman was flying across, and it must have taken him approximately 4 hrs to

get there, he could see 8 constellations - in two hours one constellation would

have moved out of sight and another become visible. So, in a period of 4 hrs he

saw 8 constellations!

Historicising Shri Ram. Man or God…

After researching on Shri Ram, I do believe he's a man who walked the earth in

flesh and blood. There is an essential difference between the Valmiki Ramayana

and the Tulsi Ramayana. Tulsidas was a devotee who looked up to Ram, but

Valmiki was a contemporary. Valmiki has written Ram's life-history, as a

biographer does - he's a contemporary of Ram, and this is not very different

from what happens all over the world. Kings have always had their life-history

written.

The submerged bridge…

Recently, NASA had put pictures on the Internet of a man-made bridge, the ruins

of which are submerged in Palk Strait between Rameshwaram and Sri Lanka. This

clearly should be treated as historical evidence that corroborates its mention

in Valmiki Ramayana.

The puzzle of Indian history…

The presence of Ramayana, Mahabharata and Vedas cannot be explained by the short

period between the decline of the Indus valley civilization and the Rig Vedic

period. A civilization cannot suddenly burst into advanced writing.

One needs to look at various sources of history to re-build it. Especially when

looking at ancient history. One needs to excavate, look at literature, ancient

texts, astronomy.

Government apathy to archaeological diggings and investigation in this direction…

There's been a very strange development in the media and the people of India. We

have started seeing ancient India as something equivalent to the word 'Hindu'.

The very word Hindu came into circulation only after the advent of Islam in

India. In Ramayana and the Vedas, there is no mention of the word 'Hindu'. At

the most, there is only mention of terms like 'Aryavrat' or 'Bharatvarsh' and

residents here are called as 'Aryans'. Since centuries, Christians, Muslims,

Sikhs have been living in this country and it's their land as much as it is to

a Hindu. Anything that has happened on this land in the past is their common

heritage. But, unfortunately, politicians with vested interests have divided

the people on artificial religious lines and making it appear that anything

related to ancient India was perhaps related to Hindu, which is not the case

and should not be the case.

There has never been any strong will…

It is not that researches have been not taken place. There has been excellent

work done by noted historians like Sir Alexander Cunningham and Dr Lal.

Cunningham has written as many as 21 volumes on ancient Indian history. But one

needs special permissions to access these texts.

Unfortunately, Cunningham's work that has very important information has not

seen the light of the day. Dr. Lal has pictured the ancient city of Dwarka and

it can be read in 'The lost city of Dwarka'. He has listed out 1000 artifacts.

Only 9 crores needed to be sanctioned by the government in placing a transparent

tube to the sea-bed that could allow people to see for themselves the wonder

that was Dwarka.

And now people equate the sum total of ancient history to 'a temple or no-temple' at Ayodhya.

Delay in research also because science hadn't arrived…

Without the aid of science it is practically impossible to manually calculate

the exact planetary configuration 7, 000 years back. It is science which is

going to validate our history and prove that it is much older than 3, 500

years.

What would be the implications of your research on the society?

I seriously feel that there can only be positive effects of my research. In

fact, Indians should seriously re-look how old is our history and culture. This

is not the end of the research; it's just the beginning. People should be

encouraged to do more in-depth research by all means such as archaeology,

dating methods and oceanography.

Max Mueller had come up with the theory that Aryans had come to India in 1500

B.C. In the Internet, Max Mueller Foundations says that that they have

re-looked at this theory and is of the opinion that this theory is no longer

valid because Indian history is much older than that period. It's just that

people have to open up their minds and find out the answers for themselves.

 

 

Thanks & Regards

 

K.B.Balmurali

Best regards, Sunil John

Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Archives:

vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

 

---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system

(http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.536 / Virus Database: 331 - Release Date:

11/3/03

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil.

This time is not suported by the scriptures or Surya Siddhantha. Sri Rama

appeared in the treta yuga and 5114 is Dwapara yuga. Treta yuga is

approximately a million years ago. The Mahabharata took place 5000 years ago at

the very end of Dwapara and the dissappearance of Sri Krishna, signaled the

start of Kali. There are ample quotes in the scriptures in this regard.

 

Of course one may label all the appearances as myth or symbolic but in my humble

opinion, such labeling will be dangerous for our spiritual life.The second

reason is that approaching these topics with the very limited intelligence that

is the lot of mankind in Kali yuga guarantees confusion.

 

Astrologically, Sanjay ji explained the significance of Rahu and Jupiter and

astrological prowess or even research(One may notice that these are the only

planets with the fifth/Ninth house aspect-so Rahu is the opposite of Guru). The

astrologers who have a very strong Rahu have a tendency to produce their own

research i.e the Maharishis are secondary.On the other hand, the Jyotishas with

a strong Jupiter, tend to depend on Dhi shakthi and only attempt to present what

the Maharishis have postulated.

 

Now you can decide which is better Rahu or Jupiter.

 

The above is only my opinion but thanks for bringing up this topic.

 

Hare Krishna

 

Sudharsan Please Chant ---- HARE KRISHNA HARE KRISHNA KRISHNA KRISHNA HARE HARE

HARE RAMA HARE RAMA RAMA RAMA HARE HARE and Be happy