Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

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This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask this query. Why doesnt the

astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the next some yrs

2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume that Mars doesn't

follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can get wayward in its

rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in

Aq differentiate between any other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information lined up saying so and so

planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means that the astrologer has to

rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby special events. Mostly

astrologers in India dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper)

which doesnt contain many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars was also closest to Moon, I

might not after 50 yrs, although i know some astrologers do remember like CS

Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period forget about this

closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was going to come so close.

Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking but maybe it can be of

paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original distance between Mars and Earth to be

"A to Z" and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X", and somewhere in

between it is at "L" when it started coming closer to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L and charts where it was at

X, there has to be two different effects, why do astrologers dont look at this

and why doesnt the natal chart reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do -

maybe as a beginner i fail to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a closeness of Mars and not

those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and activate the Mars & Moon in all

our charts, if so then when an astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the

70s, did he ever know that Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much

major impact than seen in the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">There are so many astronomical events

occurring at each moment. We take those, which has the highest correlation with

the earthly events and we have numerous clues from the seers on that. That¡Çs

why planetary distances are not used for the purpose of natal horoscopy at

least.

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Sunil John

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[vedic astrology] Seeing

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Dear Gurus and learned members,

 

This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask

this query. Why doesnt the astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper

meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the

next some yrs 2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume

that Mars doesn't follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can

get wayward in its rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart

born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in Aq differentiate between any

other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information

lined up saying so and so planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means that

the astrologer has to rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby

special events. Mostly astrologers in India

dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper) which doesnt contain

many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars

was also closest to Moon, I might not after 50 yrs, although i know some

astrologers do remember like CS Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period

forget about this closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was

going to come so close. Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking

but maybe it can be of paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original

distance between Mars and Earth to be "A to Z"

and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X",

and somewhere in between it is at "L" when it started coming closer

to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L

and charts where it was at X, there has to be two different

effects, why do astrologers dont look at this and why doesnt the natal chart

reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do - maybe as a beginner i fail

to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a

closeness of Mars and not those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and

activate the Mars & Moon in all our charts, if so then when an

astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the 70s, did he ever know that

Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much major impact than seen in

the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so

pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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We as astrologer/astronomers have lost the actual perception of the sky at the

moment of birth as a factor. Some ancient texts say that even a birth with

multiple strong Raja yogas yields nothing if the birth was during a violent

thunderstorm. Also, the texts speak of the 'color' of the moon when one was

born, the "aura" of it. We no longer are central figures in our culture...ie.

astrologers being called to births and actually witnessing the moment of birth

directly, that is- the moons color, the weather, the state of mind of the

fellow beings, world events occuring, etc. Now a days we simply enter in the

data and the computer gives us all the objective mathematical information we

can handle.

 

This does not always mean someone born during a thunderstorm will be weak, but

that a human astrologer's direct perception of the moment of birth and it's

environment is highly desirable, and revealing in a subjective way of the power

actually present.

 

It seems we need to be open to cultivating the subjective experience of being

astrologers, of 'hearing' what is occuring in the ethers and sky, and then

applying that to actual births so as to research "what is missing" from the

actual story that is the moment of birth.

Some Thoughts,

Peace,

Ashwin

 

 

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

 

 

Sarajit Poddar [sarajit (AT) (DOT) org]

Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:06 AM

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astronomy in charts?

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Sunil,

 

There are so many astronomical events occurring at each moment. We take those,

which has the highest correlation with the earthly events and we have numerous

clues from the seers on that. That¡Çs why planetary distances are not used for

the purpose of natal horoscopy at least.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Sunil John [suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:50 AMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Seeing deeper astronomy in

charts?

 

Dear Gurus and learned members,

 

This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask this query. Why doesnt the

astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the next some yrs

2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume that Mars doesn't

follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can get wayward in its

rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in

Aq differentiate between any other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information lined up saying so and so

planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means that the astrologer has to

rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby special events. Mostly

astrologers in India dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper)

which doesnt contain many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars was also closest to Moon, I

might not after 50 yrs, although i know some astrologers do remember like CS

Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period forget about this

closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was going to come so close.

Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking but maybe it can be of

paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original distance between Mars and Earth to be

"A to Z" and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X", and somewhere in

between it is at "L" when it started coming closer to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L and charts where it was at

X, there has to be two different effects, why do astrologers dont look at this

and why doesnt the natal chart reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do -

maybe as a beginner i fail to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a closeness of Mars and not

those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and activate the Mars & Moon in all

our charts, if so then when an astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the

70s, did he ever know that Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much

major impact than seen in the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Ashwin,

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Yes, I agree with you that we must be

vigilant of the sky and get clues from it for horoscopic

interpretations. I also agree with the fact that we must be open to the

subjective experience. However, you see, there are so much of information

coming down to us from the Shastras that we have not

yet processed and understood all such things yet. It is nice to find

correlation of some astronomical events with the life events of the native with

researches spanning over a long time. However, I would myself be inclined to do

that, once I have exhausted all the materials which are with us from the

Jyotish classics.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Best Wishes

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Sarajit

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Ashwin Sun

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Monday, September 22, 2003

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Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

We as astrologer/astronomers have lost the actual

perception of the sky at the moment of birth as a factor. Some ancient texts

say that even a birth with multiple strong Raja yogas yields nothing if the

birth was during a violent thunderstorm. Also, the texts speak of the 'color'

of the moon when one was born, the "aura" of it. We no longer are

central figures in our culture...ie. astrologers being called to births and

actually witnessing the moment of birth directly, that is- the moons color, the

weather, the state of mind of the fellow beings, world events occuring, etc.

Now a days we simply enter in the data and the computer gives us all the

objective mathematical information we can handle.

 

This does not always mean someone born during a

thunderstorm will be weak, but that a human astrologer's direct perception

of the moment of birth and it's environment is highly desirable, and revealing

in a subjective way of the power actually present.

 

It seems we need to be open to cultivating the subjective

experience of being astrologers, of 'hearing' what is occuring in the ethers

and sky, and then applying that to actual births so as to research "what

is missing" from the actual story that is the moment of birth.

Some Thoughts,

Peace,

Ashwin

 

 

Sarajit Poddar

<sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

 

 

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Sunday,

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|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Sunil,

 

There are so many

astronomical events occurring at each moment. We take those, which has the

highest correlation with the earthly events and we have numerous clues from the

seers on that. That¡Çs why planetary distances are not used for the purpose of

natal horoscopy at least.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

 

Sunil John

[suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk]

Wednesday,

September 17, 2003 12:50 AM

vedic astrology

[vedic astrology] Seeing

deeper astronomy in charts?

 

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Dear Gurus and learned members,

 

This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask

this query. Why doesnt the astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper

meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th

Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the next some yrs

2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume that Mars

doesn't follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can get

wayward in its rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart

born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in Aq differentiate between any

other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information

lined up saying so and so planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means

that the astrologer has to rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby

special events. Mostly astrologers in India

dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper) which doesnt contain

many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars

was also closest to Moon, I might not after 50 yrs, although i know some

astrologers do remember like CS Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period

forget about this closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was going

to come so close. Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking

but maybe it can be of paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original

distance between Mars and Earth to be "A to Z"

and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X",

and somewhere in between it is at "L" when it started coming closer

to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L

and charts where it was at X, there has to be two different

effects, why do astrologers dont look at this and why doesnt the natal chart

reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do - maybe as a beginner i fail

to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a

closeness of Mars and not those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and

activate the Mars & Moon in all our charts, if so then when an

astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the 70s, did he ever know that

Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much major impact than seen in

the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so

pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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Dear Ashwin/Sarajit,

The indications of natural phenomenon at the time of birth form part of the

Samhita Shandha of Jyotish. Not much is understood,nor can the results

verified, as it is rare that one records such happenings at the time of birth.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sarajit Poddar

[sarajit (AT) (DOT) org]Monday, September 22, 2003 4:34 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: FW: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper

astronomy in charts?

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Ashwin,

 

Yes, I agree with you that we must be vigilant of the sky and get clues from it

for horoscopic interpretations. I also agree with the fact that we must be open

to the subjective experience. However, you see, there are so much of information

coming down to us from the Shastras that we have not yet processed and

understood all such things yet. It is nice to find correlation of some

astronomical events with the life events of the native with researches spanning

over a long time. However, I would myself be inclined to do that, once I have

exhausted all the materials which are with us from the Jyotish classics.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Ashwin Sun [ashwinjlsun ] Sent:

Monday, September 22, 2003 12:03 AMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: FW: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

We as astrologer/astronomers have lost the actual perception of the sky at the

moment of birth as a factor. Some ancient texts say that even a birth with

multiple strong Raja yogas yields nothing if the birth was during a violent

thunderstorm. Also, the texts speak of the 'color' of the moon when one was

born, the "aura" of it. We no longer are central figures in our culture...ie.

astrologers being called to births and actually witnessing the moment of birth

directly, that is- the moons color, the weather, the state of mind of the

fellow beings, world events occuring, etc. Now a days we simply enter in the

data and the computer gives us all the objective mathematical information we

can handle.

 

This does not always mean someone born during a thunderstorm will be weak, but

that a human astrologer's direct perception of the moment of birth and it's

environment is highly desirable, and revealing in a subjective way of the power

actually present.

 

It seems we need to be open to cultivating the subjective experience of being

astrologers, of 'hearing' what is occuring in the ethers and sky, and then

applying that to actual births so as to research "what is missing" from the

actual story that is the moment of birth.

Some Thoughts,

Peace,

Ashwin

 

 

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

 

 

Sarajit Poddar [sarajit (AT) (DOT) org]

Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:06 AMTo:

'vedic astrology'RE: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper

astronomy in charts?

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Sunil,

 

There are so many astronomical events occurring at each moment. We take those,

which has the highest correlation with the earthly events and we have numerous

clues from the seers on that. That¡Çs why planetary distances are not used for

the purpose of natal horoscopy at least.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Sunil John [suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:50 AMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

 

Dear Gurus and learned members,

 

This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask this query. Why doesnt the

astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the next some yrs

2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume that Mars doesn't

follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can get wayward in its

rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in

Aq differentiate between any other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information lined up saying so and so

planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means that the astrologer has to

rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby special events. Mostly

astrologers in India dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper)

which doesnt contain many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars was also closest to Moon, I

might not after 50 yrs, although i know some astrologers do remember like CS

Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period forget about this

closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was going to come so close.

Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking but maybe it can be of

paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original distance between Mars and Earth to be

"A to Z" and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X", and somewhere in

between it is at "L" when it started coming closer to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L and charts where it was at

X, there has to be two different effects, why do astrologers dont look at this

and why doesnt the natal chart reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do -

maybe as a beginner i fail to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a closeness of Mars and not

those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and activate the Mars & Moon in all

our charts, if so then when an astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the

70s, did he ever know that Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much

major impact than seen in the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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There are a few evolved souls still on the planet that do understand these

phenomenon, and the results have been verified. Albeit this is not the norm,

and we all must strive to one day, or one life, come to this level of subtle

perception. May Grace guide us-

 

Namaste-

AshwinChandrashekhar Sharma <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Ashwin/Sarajit,

The indications of natural phenomenon at the time of birth form part of the

Samhita Shandha of Jyotish. Not much is understood,nor can the results

verified, as it is rare that one records such happenings at the time of birth.

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

Sarajit Poddar

[sarajit (AT) (DOT) org]Monday, September 22, 2003 4:34 AMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: RE: FW: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper

astronomy in charts?

|| Jaya Jagannath ||Dear Ashwin,

 

Yes, I agree with you that we must be vigilant of the sky and get clues from it

for horoscopic interpretations. I also agree with the fact that we must be open

to the subjective experience. However, you see, there are so much of information

coming down to us from the Shastras that we have not yet processed and

understood all such things yet. It is nice to find correlation of some

astronomical events with the life events of the native with researches spanning

over a long time. However, I would myself be inclined to do that, once I have

exhausted all the materials which are with us from the Jyotish classics.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Ashwin Sun [ashwinjlsun ] Sent:

Monday, September 22, 2003 12:03 AMvedic astrologySubject:

Re: FW: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

 

Dear Sarajit,

 

We as astrologer/astronomers have lost the actual perception of the sky at the

moment of birth as a factor. Some ancient texts say that even a birth with

multiple strong Raja yogas yields nothing if the birth was during a violent

thunderstorm. Also, the texts speak of the 'color' of the moon when one was

born, the "aura" of it. We no longer are central figures in our culture...ie.

astrologers being called to births and actually witnessing the moment of birth

directly, that is- the moons color, the weather, the state of mind of the

fellow beings, world events occuring, etc. Now a days we simply enter in the

data and the computer gives us all the objective mathematical information we

can handle.

 

This does not always mean someone born during a thunderstorm will be weak, but

that a human astrologer's direct perception of the moment of birth and it's

environment is highly desirable, and revealing in a subjective way of the power

actually present.

 

It seems we need to be open to cultivating the subjective experience of being

astrologers, of 'hearing' what is occuring in the ethers and sky, and then

applying that to actual births so as to research "what is missing" from the

actual story that is the moment of birth.

Some Thoughts,

Peace,

Ashwin

 

 

Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

 

 

Sarajit Poddar [sarajit (AT) (DOT) org]

Sunday, September 21, 2003 8:06 AMTo:

'vedic astrology'RE: [vedic astrology] Seeing deeper

astronomy in charts?

 

|| Jaya Jagannath ||

Dear Sunil,

 

There are so many astronomical events occurring at each moment. We take those,

which has the highest correlation with the earthly events and we have numerous

clues from the seers on that. That¡Çs why planetary distances are not used for

the purpose of natal horoscopy at least.

 

Best Wishes

Sarajit

 

Sunil John [suniljohn (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk] Sent:

Wednesday, September 17, 2003 12:50 AMvedic astrologySubject:

[vedic astrology] Seeing deeper astronomy in charts?

 

Dear Gurus and learned members,

 

This recent closest transit of mars has made me ask this query. Why doesnt the

astrological chart reflect astronomy in deeper meaning.

 

For eg. On 27th Aug 2003 Mars was closest to the earth and in the next some yrs

2057 or 2257 it would be again closest. This shows I presume that Mars doesn't

follow an equal pattern that is repeated every term and can get wayward in its

rotation.

 

1. How does a astrologer that sees a chart born around 27th Aug2003 wth MArs in

Aq differentiate between any other chart of Mars in Aq.

 

When we open any chart we dont see the information lined up saying so and so

planet was closest to Earth, which obviously means that the astrologer has to

rely on memory of movement of planets and thereby special events. Mostly

astrologers in India dont have softwares and see the patrika (chart on paper)

which doesnt contain many details or of astronomy.

 

Would I remember that in september of this year Mars was also closest to Moon, I

might not after 50 yrs, although i know some astrologers do remember like CS

Patel for eg.

 

But wont most astrologers say born after this period forget about this

closeness, how many of us knew 3 yrs back that Mars was going to come so close.

Maybe everyone does, I can be wrong here

 

Maybe this is a tangential, unsystematic thinking but maybe it can be of

paramount importance for beginners.

 

2. Surely if we take for eg the original distance between Mars and Earth to be

"A to Z" and say that on 27th Aug Mars reached the point "X", and somewhere in

between it is at "L" when it started coming closer to the earth.

 

Then wouldnt the effect of charts where Mars was at L and charts where it was at

X, there has to be two different effects, why do astrologers dont look at this

and why doesnt the natal chart reflect this aspect of astronomy or does it do -

maybe as a beginner i fail to see subtler techniques.

 

3. why were we current generation treated to such a closeness of Mars and not

those of the past 60,000 yrs, did it come and activate the Mars & Moon in all

our charts, if so then when an astrologer saw a chart of a person born in the

70s, did he ever know that Mars is going to come close in 2003 and create much

major impact than seen in the 70s in the chart?

 

Pls guide, some might be stupid queries though so pardon.

 

Best wishes

 

Sunil John

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