Fwd: Varshaphal-2 (Timing through Sahams)

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Aum Namah Shivaya

 

Dear group,

 

I have demonstrated how one can use the Sahams for predictions. But

there is more to be discussed. I might write a very exhaustive

article on the use of sahams soon for the OZCVA's quarterly journal

which I will post here as well. In the meantime, some food for

thought. WRT the sahams there are two main considerations.

 

1. Significators or representatives of the Sahams. While you have

seen only the Sign lord being used in the previous example (example

chart provided by Ragini), there is something more that one needs to

know.

 

2. Timing techniques through Sahams. In the example chart you had

seen only the use of a Tajika yoga, where I mentioned that one may

probe deeper if one wishes to. But is there any clue about how one

can use the Sahams for timing? Yes there is.

 

One major (the most important in fact) thumb rule used is as

follows. To know when (in which quarter of the year)the effect of

the saham will come to pass, consider the following.If the saham

falls in between the Lagna and the 4th cusp, it will happen in the

first quarter of the year. Likewise for other quarters. Some say

that one should use the houses instead of the cusps. In other words,

if a Saham is between

 

1-3 houses: First qrt of the year

4-6 houses: Second qrt of the year

7-9 houses: Third qrt of the year

10-12 houses: Fourth qrt of the year

 

In the example chart provided by Ragini, the Vivaha (marriage) saham

(part) falls at Pisces 19 deg 25 min. Using Sripati houses (Jyotish

uses only Sripati bhavas if at all; in Tajika too whereever required

we use Sripati bhavas), the Saham falls in the 10th house. The tenth

cusp is at Pisces 26deg 51 min approximately. Since the cusp is

taken as the bhava madhya and not starting in Sri pati, the Vivaha

Saham falls in the early part of the 4th quadrant i.e. between the

10th and 12th houses. So by the above rule the marriage can happen

in the early part of the 4th quarter of the year. Since the year

starts around 16th/17th October (based on Solar return), the fourth

qrt starts around July 16/17th. The marriage should occur after this

date before 16th October. But since it is in the very early part of

the quadrant, it will be in the early part within this period.

 

This is how the sahams are used in timing. As i said, there is more

that one needs to consider before using the sahams and the Tajika

yogas. I will deal with all those aspects in my forthcoming article.

Once the journal is released, I will post the article here as well.

 

Regards,

Satya

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Pranama,

Here's my two penny and a question.

 

Saham (arabic word, literally means lot, arrow or share), is an astrlogical

technique(sometime called Sabian point in chart) used to closer the interval of

timing of any event, based on addition and subtraction of the degrees of

ascendant, sun, moon and/or concern house(s). Although the origin of technique

is Greece and it is used even in the era of Ptolemy, but Al-Beruni was the

first astrologer who revive the theory and developed many new formulae to

enumerate Saham. Therefore many saham formulas for natal chart sahams are

different from parshana and varshphala.

 

As far as Sahamas are concern, one should not entirely depends on 14 types of

Tajik Yogas. Other techniques may includes;

(1) Dasha of Saham Lord

(2) Aspects recieved by Saham

(3) Association of Saham Lord with either Ascendant or Ascendant Lord.

(4) Saham's position with respect to Divisional Chart.

 

That is dasa of Saham Lord (i.e. lord of sign in which saham is placed) give the

result of saham provided other factors favour. For example if Putra Saham falls

in Cancer, the dasa of Moon(or any strong benefic occupied in Cancer) may

fructify the birth of a baby child, provided there is strong probability of

birth of an issue during understudied year. Secondly the aspects recieve a

Saham during course of planetry movement. If said Putra Saham receive a trinal

apsect of Jupiter or when conjuct with Jupiter there is strong chance of birth

of an issue(for newly married girl) or prosperity of child (for old natives).

But if Putra Saham conjunct by either Rahu or Saturn abortion or ill health of

child may predict.

Similarly whenever saham lord passes through over either lagna or lagna lord,

concern result of Saham will be felt, it is generlly the time of feelings

personal effect regarding saham, though level of intensity may vary according

to the strength of Saham.

At the same time Saham's position in related varaga(divisional chart) may

helpful in precising the timing. for example Vivaha Saham in Navamsha,

Vayapara/Karma Saham in Dashamsa, Vidya Saham in Chaturvimsamsa etc.

 

And lastly is your "quarter of year" technique is not adopted from one of famous

direction method? That says 1 years = 360 degrees, Ascendant to IC = 1st

quarter/3 months, IC to Descendant = 2nd quarter, Descendant to MC = 3rd

quarter and MC to Asc. = 4th quarter of year.

 

Hope to read you soon.

Regards

M.IMRAN

 

 

Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary <satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

cosmicroots, "Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary"

<satyaprakasika> wrote:Aum Namah ShivayaDear group,I have demonstrated how

one can use the Sahams for predictions. But there is more to be discussed. I

might write a very exhaustive article on the use of sahams soon for the OZCVA's

quarterly journal which I will post here as well. In the meantime, some food for

thought. WRT the sahams there are two main considerations. 1. Significators or

representatives of the Sahams. While you have seen only the Sign lord being

used in the previous example (example chart provided by Ragini), there is

something more that one needs to know. 2. Timing techniques through Sahams. In

the example chart you had seen only the use of a Tajika yoga, where I mentioned

that one may probe deeper if one wishes to. But

is there any clue about how one can use the Sahams for timing? Yes there is.One

major (the most important in fact) thumb rule used is as follows. To know when

(in which quarter of the year)the effect of the saham will come to pass,

consider the following.If the saham falls in between the Lagna and the 4th

cusp, it will happen in the first quarter of the year. Likewise for other

quarters. Some say that one should use the houses instead of the cusps. In

other words, if a Saham is between1-3 houses: First qrt of the year4-6 houses:

Second qrt of the year7-9 houses: Third qrt of the year10-12 houses: Fourth qrt

of the yearIn the example chart provided by Ragini, the Vivaha (marriage) saham

(part) falls at Pisces 19 deg 25 min. Using Sripati houses (Jyotish uses only

Sripati bhavas if at all; in Tajika too whereever required we use Sripati

bhavas), the Saham falls in the 10th house. The tenth cusp is at

Pisces 26deg 51 min approximately. Since the cusp is taken as the bhava madhya

and not starting in Sri pati, the Vivaha Saham falls in the early part of the

4th quadrant i.e. between the 10th and 12th houses. So by the above rule the

marriage can happen in the early part of the 4th quarter of the year. Since the

year starts around 16th/17th October (based on Solar return), the fourth qrt

starts around July 16/17th. The marriage should occur after this date before

16th October. But since it is in the very early part of the quadrant, it will

be in the early part within this period. This is how the sahams are used in

timing. As i said, there is more that one needs to consider before using the

sahams and the Tajika yogas. I will deal with all those aspects in my

forthcoming article. Once the journal is released, I will post the article here

as well.Regards,Satya--- End forwarded message ---

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Dear Satya Prakash jee,

Pranama,

Here's my two penny and a question.

 

Saham (arabic word, literally means lot, arrow or share), is an astrlogical

technique(sometime called Sabian point in chart) used to closer the interval of

timing of any event, based on addition and subtraction of the degrees of

ascendant, sun, moon and/or concern house(s). Although the origin of technique

is Greece and it is used even in the era of Ptolemy, but Al-Beruni was the

first astrologer who revive the theory and developed many new formulae to

enumerate Saham. Therefore many saham formulas for natal chart sahams are

different from parshana and varshphala.

 

As far as Sahamas are concern, one should not entirely depends on 14 types of

Tajik Yogas. Other techniques may includes;

(1) Dasha of Saham Lord

(2) Aspects recieved by Saham (including conjunction of other planets)

(3) Association of Saham Lord with either Ascendant or Ascendant Lord.

(4) Saham's position with respect to Divisional Chart.

 

That is dasa of Saham Lord (i.e. lord of sign in which saham is placed) give the

result of saham provided other factors favour. For example if Putra Saham falls

in Cancer, the dasa of Moon(or any strong benefic occupied in Cancer) may

fructify the birth of a baby child, provided there is strong probability of

birth of an issue during understudied year. Secondly the aspects recieve a

Saham during course of planetry movement. If said Putra Saham receive a trinal

apsect of Jupiter or when conjuct with Jupiter there is strong chance of birth

of an issue(for newly married girl) or prosperity of child (for old natives).

But if Putra Saham conjunct by either Rahu or Saturn abortion or ill health of

child may predict.

Similarly whenever saham lord passes through over either lagna or lagna lord,

concern result of Saham will be felt, keeping in mind that Cardinal, Dual, and

fixed signs show days, months and years respectively. It is generlly the time

of feelings personal effect regarding saham, though level of intensity may vary

according to the strength of Saham.

At the same time Saham's position in related varaga(divisional chart) may

helpful in precising the timing. for example Vivaha Saham in Navamsha,

Vayapara/Karma Saham in Dashamsa, Vidya Saham in Chaturvimsamsa etc.

 

And lastly is your "quarter of year" technique is not adopted from one of famous

direction method? That says 1 years = 360 degrees, Ascendant to IC = 1st

quarter/3 months, IC to Descendant = 2nd quarter, Descendant to MC = 3rd

quarter and MC to Asc. = 4th quarter of year.

 

Hope to read you soon.

Regards

M.IMRANDr Satya Prakash Choudhary <satyaprakasika (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

cosmicroots, "Dr Satya Prakash Choudhary"

<satyaprakasika> wrote:Aum Namah ShivayaDear group,I have demonstrated how

one can use the Sahams for predictions. But there is more to be discussed. I

might write a very exhaustive article on the use of sahams soon for the OZCVA's

quarterly journal which I will post here as well. In the meantime, some food for

thought. WRT the sahams there are two main considerations. 1. Significators or

representatives of the Sahams. While you have seen only the Sign lord being

used in the previous example (example chart provided by Ragini), there is

something more that one needs to know. 2. Timing techniques through Sahams. In

the example chart you had seen only the use of a Tajika yoga, where I mentioned

that one may probe deeper if one wishes to. But

is there any clue about how one can use the Sahams for timing? Yes there is.One

major (the most important in fact) thumb rule used is as follows. To know when

(in which quarter of the year)the effect of the saham will come to pass,

consider the following.If the saham falls in between the Lagna and the 4th

cusp, it will happen in the first quarter of the year. Likewise for other

quarters. Some say that one should use the houses instead of the cusps. In

other words, if a Saham is between1-3 houses: First qrt of the year4-6 houses:

Second qrt of the year7-9 houses: Third qrt of the year10-12 houses: Fourth qrt

of the yearIn the example chart provided by Ragini, the Vivaha (marriage) saham

(part) falls at Pisces 19 deg 25 min. Using Sripati houses (Jyotish uses only

Sripati bhavas if at all; in Tajika too whereever required we use Sripati

bhavas), the Saham falls in the 10th house. The tenth cusp is at

Pisces 26deg 51 min approximately. Since the cusp is taken as the bhava madhya

and not starting in Sri pati, the Vivaha Saham falls in the early part of the

4th quadrant i.e. between the 10th and 12th houses. So by the above rule the

marriage can happen in the early part of the 4th quarter of the year. Since the

year starts around 16th/17th October (based on Solar return), the fourth qrt

starts around July 16/17th. The marriage should occur after this date before

16th October. But since it is in the very early part of the quadrant, it will

be in the early part within this period. This is how the sahams are used in

timing. As i said, there is more that one needs to consider before using the

sahams and the Tajika yogas. I will deal with all those aspects in my

forthcoming article. Once the journal is released, I will post the article here

as well.Regards,Satya--- End forwarded message ---

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Aum Namah Shivaya

 

Dear Imran,

 

Salaam,

 

Good to see you responding to this thread. Please see my comments

below.

 

> Saham (arabic word, literally means lot, arrow or share), is an

>astrlogical technique(sometime called Sabian point in chart)

 

Yes Saham literally means share or lot. In fact they are still

referred to as 'lots' at times, instead of 'parts', which came onto

use later. But one small correction, if I may. To my knowledge, they

are NOT called Sabian points.

 

Sabian symbols are entirely different and have a different basis.

They are of very recent origin. Marc Edmund Jones is the main

populariser of these Sabian symbols. I do not endorse the Sabian

symbols in Natal charts. They *seem* to work in Prashna basically

because Prashna works on the basis of Synchronicity. Again

Synchronicity operates in two ways. Synchronicity 0 (for Objective)

and Synchronicity S (for Subjective). The second one has the

peculiar ability to adapt itself to any situation and method of

divination used. So whether one uses tea leaves' patterns or tarot

cards or playing cards (!), it can still work to a certain extent.

But Natal astrology (and by an extension, Solar Return,

Progressions, Directions, Dashas etc) have an *objective

interrelatedness too (atleast partly) between the event and the

symbols used (say the planets or houses for instance). In other

words, to extend the use of a technique or method to the Natal chart

or Solar Return etc, it should satisfy the criteria mentioned above.

Confusion can arise due to a lack of proper theoretical framework

and paradigm behind one's study. That is why I always emphasise that

one needs to understand the theoretical framework, rationale and

methodology well. But unfortunately many students cannot distinguish

between such things. As a result, in the past 100-150 years or so,

many things have filtered down the solid basis of Western astrology

in general. I do love and recognize the immense value of

psychological astrology. But how many practitioners really

understand it well? To do psychological astrology, one needs to

study and understand Freud, Jung and a few other great minds.

Unfortunately modern western astrology is misjudged by many vedic

astrologers because 90% of modern western astrologers who purport to

do psychological readings, have hardly any indepth knowledge of

psychology, except for fragments picked up here and there. And

what's more? They lack even the techniques and methods that the

average western astrologer had a few hundred years back. Even

psychological astrology needs techniques and methods. So the serious

astrologer has to sooner or later look to the roots of western

astrology for a better understanding. It is here that Medieval,

Arabic and Greek works have a major role. Western astrology as

practiced till a few hundred years back is not very dissimilar to

Vedic, atleast in its purpose and methods.

 

Sorry for the digression. I could not help it, when Sabian symbols

came into the picture. Anyway I do not endorse their use in

***astrology for reasons mentioned above (for more on Synchronicity,

see my old article on this list). It is a different matter if one

wants to use the Sabian symbols as an Oracle. Anyway the Sabian

symbols are NOT the same as Arabic parts or Jyotish Sahams or the

Greek Lots.

 

 

>Although the origin of technique is Greece and it is used even in

>the era of Ptolemy, but Al-Beruni was the first astrologer who

>revive the theory and developed many new formulae to enumerate

>Saham. Therefore many saham formulas for natal chart sahams are

>different from parshana and varshphala.

 

 

Yes. They are called Arabic parts because Al-Biruni (974AD) extended

their use and popularised them. Greek authors as far back as 300BC

do refer to selected 'lots'. They were known to exist even before

Ptolemy. It is further said that the Greeks themselves took it from

(or atleast were influenced) by the **Chaldeans** who developed this

idea even earlier. It is only after *atleast more than a thousand

years of existence, that the Arabs took them and further developed

them. Apart from Al-Biruni and Albumasar, another good source is the

Guido Bonatus. William Lily's well known translation (the 146

considerations) covers only a small part of the Bonatti's work.

Bonatti's 'Liber Astronomiae' is a great 13th century work in Latin.

We remain indebted to all the above sources for their contribution.

The ancient Chaldeans, Babylonians and the ancient Tamil speaking

Saivites had certain links and common roots. In fact very few

realise that the larger part of Tantra is even beyond and a parallel

(if not earlier) tradition seperate from the Vedic tradition, which

Hinduism absorbed into itself later. This part is shared by the

ancient Jainas too. When one goes deeper, one realises the

commonness of humanity and our common heritage.

 

>

> As far as Sahamas are concern, one should not entirely depends on

14 types of Tajik Yogas. Other techniques may includes;

> (1) Dasha of Saham Lord

> (2) Aspects recieved by Saham (including conjunction of other

planets)

> (3) Association of Saham Lord with either Ascendant or Ascendant

Lord.

> (4) Saham's position with respect to Divisional Chart.

>

/Karma Saham in Dashamsa, Vidya Saham in Chaturvimsamsa etc.

........

 

I will address all these issues and also show the basis for the

sahams, how they are derived, and certain inferences that might be

useful in predictive astrology. Here I might touch upon the more

ancient western sources too for a comparative study.

 

>

> And lastly is your "quarter of year" technique is not adopted from

>one of famous direction method? That says 1 years = 360 degrees,

>Ascendant to IC = 1st quarter/3 months, IC to Descendant = 2nd

>quarter, Descendant to MC = 3rd quarter and MC to Asc. = 4th

>quarter of year.

>

 

Well while the basis seems to be similar, it need not be a *direct

adaptation from the direction method. I have seen Indian astrologers

doing this. This division of the zodiac into quadrants and the

interelatedness of the quadrants to the timing method of one year is

something that one comes across even in the purely Indian methods of

Prasna. Of course the basis is similar in the symbolism and logic.

But the source need not be the same. I have also come across this

idea in Bonatti's work.

 

 

Regards,

 

Satya