Guest guest Posted May 26, 2003 Report Share Posted May 26, 2003 Dear All, What will happen if Jupiter combines with Ketu? And it Ketu combines with Mars, will it the result be destructive? I remember reading that Ketu with Mercury is a good combination. Regards, NC Gupta vedic astrology, "Sanjay Rath" <daivagyna@s...> wrote: > > > |brihaspatim varenyam| > Dear Tushankar > No Surya worship is not the solution. Worship Krishna or Vishnu to debilitate Venus, even better if you worship Sri Vamana avatar with the mantra > Om namo bhagavate trivikramaaya > or > Trinipada vichakrame vishnur-gopa adaabhya. Atho dharmani dharayan. > This is from the rig veda > Others can add, but Surya worship will enhance sexuality except if this is done with the Gayatri mantra. > ~ om tat sat ~ > Yours truly, > Sanjay Rath > --------------------------- > H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com > --------------------------- > > Tushankur Saroha [tushankur22] > Monday, May 26, 2003 12:24 AM > vedic astrology > Cc: daivagyna@s... > RE: [vedic astrology] Venus in relationships (Ve+Ket in Pisces for Tanvir) > > > Thanks to Respected Gurus - Sanjayji, Vistiji & Gaurangji for this wonderful discussion. > > So the definition of 'Shubh' & 'Ashubh' is very subjective. Exalted Venus is a boon in Mayavi-material world but is a hard rock mountain for a Tapasvi which he needs to cross to enter into spiritual bliss. > > Saturn burns but on the other hand destroys impurities. Ketu kills but it provides an insight that nothing is here for ever - better renunciate. > > In my case, Venus is in 3rd house/own house in Libra & exalted in Navamsa. Lagna Lord Sun is debilitated in Libra & Venus is sitting over his head. Saturn is denying Venus by having graha dristi from Taurus. Ketu is in 12th - Cancer. Not having much control over Venus. > > Venus, having Kendradhipati dosha, is on the run though still under some control of Saturn denying unwanted relations with opposite sex. But still feels that Venus's desires are much stronger - how to get a leash for him? Propitiation of lagna Lord Sun???? > > Jyotish is divine.... > > with regards > Tushankur > > Sanjay Rath <daivagyna@s...> wrote: > > > |brihaspatim varenyam| > Dear Visti & Gauranga > this is an excellent discussion. I have a point to add. Fundamentally, the Tapaswi yoga in its PERFECT definition is related to the TAPAS loka. This loka is lorded by Saturn astrologically (will give arguments later) and indicates that Pravrajya is a necesary condition for a perfect tapaswi. Tapasya means penance and this cannot be done in air-conditioned rooms. One has to become a part of nature and glow in its bounty. So, in principle, Gauranga is correct in the definition. look at the planets invovled: Venus, Saturn and Ketu. Jaimini is very very clear about this that Venus has to be involved in the yoga else the person is an impersonating sadhu and not genuine. What is happening when these planets come together? > > (A) Venus is the giver of all the pleasures of this world. Venus rules entertainment, sex and all sorts of passion being extremely rajasik by nature. When Venus is contacted by Saturn, then two things happen (1) Venus becomes dirty which leads to guilt and disease, and/or (2) Venus is suppressed by Saturn as it is the nature of saturn to deny and suppress. thus Venus aspected ot conjoined saturn can cause extreme suppression of sexual desires causing anomalies. For example if Venus is in Aquarius or capricorn in exchange with saturn (dictum), then a woman can become a lesbian!! Why will a woman become a lesbian or a man become gay if the basic sexual desire was not suppressed and diverted into other channels? Thus just Venus and saturn cannot cause tapaswi yoga. It does indicate hard working people (saturn) and self denying to a large extent, yet it produces sexual anomalies in most cases. > > (B) Ketu is the destroyer and rules the infra-red. In every sence ketu is actually Rudra and is the ruler of the natural eighth house. He is far more fierce than Mars. Whatever he contacts among the grahas, he simply destroys. That is why he is called headless. When such a destruction touches Jupiter, then it can destroy intelligence and when Guru is lagna lord, then either a great saint is born (rare) or generally mentally deranged people are born. When such a destructive Dhoomra (smoke like..when something is destroyed the body turns to smoke/dust) Ketu contacts Venus, it will tend to destroy the Venus completely and the person can either become an eunuch or sexually incapacitated or the sexual desire is completely destroyed. That is why Parasara/Jaimini teach that even if the terrible passion of Venus and Mars torment (!!) in the second house from navamsa lagna, if Ketu conjoins or aspects (sign sight), then this passion is destroyed..simply destroyed. > > Now bring para (A) and (B) aove together and you will see why it is necessary that for a person to become a TAPASWI in the perfect sense, the sexual desire/passion has to be completely destroyed and that he should also be able to suppress and deny himself any kind of physical comfort, enjooyment, entertainment etc. > > For example, you will see that the person will not like to watch TV, or movies etc...these are the begining signs. There is a lot more as the Tapaswi needs a Guru to guide the tapasya/penance. So do not forget BK. > > Other comments are given below, but in principle, Gauranga is more precise. > ~ om tat sat ~ > Yours truly, > Sanjay Rath > --------------------------- > H-5, B.J.B Nagar, Bhubaneswar 751014, India > +91-674-2436871 http://srath.com > --------------------------- > > Visti Larsen [vishnu@l...] > Saturday, May 24, 2003 10:57 PM > vedic astrology > Re: [vedic astrology] Venus in relationships (Ve+Ket in Pisces for Tanvir) > > > |Hari Om| > Dear Gauranga, > > Gaura: I for that matter don't agree on this.. Love is actually giving, but sex is basically taking. Just study the nature of Sukracharya before you delve into the role of Venus in the chart. He was not willing to give anything to Bhagavan because he was worried about his sustenance. So in usual cases Venus gives only in order to be able to take in exchange. Only with very highly developed spiritualists will Venus actually indicate bhakti, love for Radha and Krishna, which is free from any selfishness. > > Visti: Without doubt Love is giving, however whether sex also becomes this depends on the attitude of the native. Most will ascribe to the view that sex is taking, where the focal point of sex is on the orgasm, but isn't this typical of of the current Yuga where the purity in sex has fallen (earth signs)? But Venus in exaltation will ensure that the native will not just sleep with any person, as sex becomes an act of giving and the native will only give this to a particular person. > [Rath:] No visti, Gauranga is right. Sex comes from Darapada and is related to the seventh house whose real karaka is venus while Marriage can mean any clean relationship like 'I being married to Astrology' and it has to do with Upapada where the Karaka is the Sun and like Karna, the son of the Sun God, you have to give. The Darapada and 7th house cause rebirth whereas the 12th house and Upapada cause moksha. So, fundamentally they are poles apart. Also in the pachakadi sambandha, Venus is the vedhak for the Sun and is its sworn enemy. > > Gaura: Have you ever seen anyone with Venus as AK to live a life of celibacy? I have not. Maybe Robert can give us some hints. Especially with deb AK in Virgo, I think the native will completely be unable to control his senses and accept any Tapasya. Please remember that Tapaswi yoga occurs when Venus is aspected both by Sani and Ketu, so strong is his desire to enjoy. But why is Venus then needed in the combination? Because you need to have some pleasures to renounce. If you had none in your life, then what did you give up? A beggar is nut renounced, he is simply wrethced. In my experience, Venus/Mars conjunction almost always gives extreme sensuousness, as well as Venus/Jupiter. Especially if 7th or 2nd are influenced by them.. However I'm open to change my understainding about Venus if you can point out any statements in the classics supporting your views. > > Visti: I can give charts of people with Venus as AK keeping celibacy since birth, however this depends on the sign as well. The example of Venus as AK in virgo has also been given by Sanjay Rath in the past, hence i ascribe to that view. > [Rath:] Visti, AK is Virgo is one thing and just Venus in Virgo is another thing altogether. A lot depends on the AL. If I remember correctly, Sri Prabhupada took sanyas in Mercury dasa Venus antardasa and Venus is in Virgo. So, we cannot and should not generalise. All depends on conjoined planets and AL. In fact Sri Prabhupada took Sanyas because of exalted Mercury. venus was only following Mercury like Radha follwing Krishna. Individual charts can make a lot of difference and subtle changes occurs, but in principle, Venus is the master of Maya. Even lakshmi is called as Maha-mayi. > > The reason as i understand it, is simple and is understood when we go into Pachakadi Sambandha where we find that the Vedhak of the Sun (natural Atma) is Venus. Hence Venus causes the fall of the Atma, or the path of the Atma. Now when Venus becomes Atmakaraka the Atma needs to learn how to shed the vedhak-indications of Venus and this must be done through keeping purity and cleanliness. Now the sign is VERY important and shows how the native will understand realise that they must be pure. If its in Gemini the native will learn this by endeavouring through all the dirty places in the world, i.e. actually having sexual relationships, and as a result will be disgusted by them. However if this happens in Virgo then the native will make this decision of keeping clean/pure, through the act of purity itself! Hence celibacy is indicated. Now if Venus is afflicted by any planets then the purity must wait. > > The Tapaswi Yoga is not a renunciate Yoga by default, but it makes a person work hard and diligently for their passions. If however you are talking about yogas for celibacy, then be clear that they are not necessarily tapaswi yogas, just yogas controlling the sexual impulses, thou Tapaswi Yoga will have that effect on the native. > [Rath:] I have discussed this above. > Venus' involvement in Tapaswi Yoga is not there to ensure that one must first have desires/pleasure, before renouncing, on the contrary it indicates a desire so strong that noone can stand in the native's way and the native will achieve that desire no matter what. It is for this reason that Shukracharya did such intense tapas, namely he had the strongest desire! Such desire is very important among spiritual aspirants when we study the concept of Rishi-Kesha. Heres a snippit from a recent mail on SJC list: > [Rath:] To this I agree in most part, but you must appreciate Gauranga's point that there has to be a desire that is renounced. For example in each of the rishi's you mention under, I can name a corresponding apsara who did some magic for some time, until one fine day the rishi awakened with the grace of the mahamantra and went back to his work. It is not easy and perfect celibacy is not an easy job. But if the mind is engrossed in Jagannatha, then this can come - but nothing is easy in this path. > > "Ketu on the other hand is headless like Ganesh.. He's very enmical towards the Moon and also Venus which can be perused in the Puranas (read stories of when Ganesh visited Soma and when Lakshmi courted Ganesh). The reason is simple.. These two cause attachment to the Arudha, to Maya, and the only one who can smash the Moon propperly is Saturn (study pravajya yogas) whilst Venus needs to be under control. However; a strong Venus gains Ketu's favor (exalted in ketu's moolatrikona - Pisces), as then the passions are pointing to a goal which will not be compromised just as the best of Tapaswi's and hence Tapaswi Yoga is formed by Ketu+Venus+Saturn, where the Moon or manas' are under control, the Passion of Venus has one single focus and Ketu is sitting in his Siddhaasana directing everything! This Yoga makes the best of Siddhas, or those aspiring for knowledge and is the stepping stone for making Rishi's. Hence those Rishi's like Vasishta and Vishwamitra no doubt had this Yoga and were very determined, indicating a very strong and controlled Venus. Now Ketu rules hair and the most blessed part of a Rishi is his hair where he stores all his powers or siddhis, especially in his pony tail where the dhi or intellect sits, so when we sing the mantra "Kleem HrishiKeshaaya Namah", we are asking for the protection of our tapas or austerities and intelligence. We are praying that our Venus does not fall and should never fall, and hence our Dhi signified by Jupiter is protected! We are praying for Venus to be exalted!" > [Rath:] Ganesha is not headless - I object to that statement. Ganesha is the only one with a good head. We human beings are headless. That is the mistake Venus makes. One cannot have passion and attain renunciation. It is passion in every form and manner which has to be renounced. The exaltation of Venus means Venus is delighted and when does any planet get delighted, when it attains its most difficult objective. For Venus the most difficult objective is to make a rishi or a sanyasi/renunciate become passionate and 'FALL in love'. This it can do when it goes to Pisces. So, in Pisces Venus gives a tremendous sexual drive. Check this chart: Male > Natal Chart > March 28, 1962 > Time: 6:29:00 am > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 85 E 17' 00", 22 N 06' 00" > India > You will find an exalted and vargottama Venus in Pisces. After many full Moons with many queens, this great Venus decided to marry and not even a year or two passed and he has had enough and the queens are back in his life. Thus, a lot depends on the chart in whole, and lets not talk so loosely about celibacy...the harsh truth is that the entire churches and temples and millions of sadhus have failed again and again. Mayavi Venus is very strong. > > Gaura: As for exalted Venus in Taurus, my understanding is thaqt this combination in fact proves that Bhakti is the highest path of self-realisation, in other words, the highest form of Moksha is to surrender to God in loving devotion. Also the sign si dual, so in the course of this surrender, the duality between the lover and the beloved is maintained, because this enriches the relationship and makes it perfect. Lovers are always two, not one. Loving yourself is not as high as loving someone else. Even Krishna loves his devotees, especially Rahdarani, and not himself. I'm not challenging you, please do not take it so. I'm just deliberating on the truth. > [Rath:] How do you define the love Gauranga? Is it the Moon type of love that mother and child have or is it the Venus type of love? Please think again on this. Bhakti, in its truest sence is symbolised by the Moon and not Venus. The love that the great Guru's like Prabhupada speak of is Moon type - pure, compassion, always giving, adoring, looking at the child all the time and admiring...thats the Moon. The mind is always there in complete and perfect adoration. For Venus, love is a four letter word in most matters, or even if they glorify it, it reduces to a four letter word. Asuric really. > That point about dwisbhava rasi is well taken. More elaboration will help give this a complete picture. > > Visti: Exalted venus in Taurus? I assume you mean Pisces. Yes Lakshmi finds her greatest enjoyment in the act of giving and surrender. But keep in mind that Bhakti is not indicated by the 12th house, but by the 5th and Jupiter is indicative of Vasudeva Kutumba or for love of the all/the universe, yet Venus is the love foccussed on just that one person. > Please elaborate on your understanding of the Dwiswabhava signs. They are dual because they are both Fixed and Movable in nature, and hence their Rasi dristi is mutual, unlike that of the fixed and movable signs. > > Yes the exaltation indicates love of others, and hence Giving! > Do we disagree? > [Rath:] Oh no! none of us disagree. Point is we do not agree either and thats because its a Venus related matter. Had it been Jupiter related we all would have agreed very quickly...thats the power of the Grahas. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > - ------------- > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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