Is KP sufficiently vedic? .. YES IT IS!

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Respected all members,

 

After reading many emails regarding KP for last 2-3 days I felt like

writing this email.

 

I have studied and have been using both Vedic & KP. Both are

complimentary.

 

KP is a fine piece of work and IS essentially based on Vedic only.

 

To judge it's validity correctly, one must try to use it.

 

The problem in acceptance of it is as per my view is proabably due to

it's Ruling Planets concept which does make it appear unscientific to

our gross eyes.

 

I have been trying to use it without it's RPs concept.

 

The main KP's priciples DO work unfailingly in Transits.

 

Probably birth time inaccuracy problems make natal studies difficult.

 

Those who have criticised OR not used KP can do a following simple

test on their own to confirm it's validity. I am absolutely sure that

you WILL find it to be correct.

 

TEST:

1. Please note down the exact time whenever you in your day today

life have gains and/or losses for next 10-15 days.

2. Find out and note down the Star lord of the ascendant and Star &

Sub Lord of the Moon at those exact timings.

 

You will find that certain planets will be denoting gains and other

certain planets will be for losses.

 

(NOTE: These Good and Bad planets can also be found from natal chart

PROVIDED THE BIRTH TIME IS ACCURATE. However the normal KP's

signiicators method needs to be extended a bit by checking the subs

also of those planets.)

 

Once one has found out these Good or Bad Planets FROM THIS REAL TIME

TEST you will be able to predict these good or bad periods based on

transits. This means whenever in transit Moon will go in star (and to

be more precise moment in sub) of that Good planet and Ascendant in

transit will go in Star of that Good planet Gains will be there.

Simillarly Bad Planet's Star/Sub for the losses timings.

 

All these good and bad effects experienced as per only the transits

offcourse will be augmented with the supporting Vimsh dashas. Even

this way found out those Good/Bad planets's Sub or Sub-Sub periods in

dashas too will give Gains or Losses.

 

(NOTE: In this above test good and/or bad was checked from financial

gains and losses perspective only. Please note that in KP no planet

is considered benefic or malefic. It is considered so in respect of

that matter that one is assessing.)

 

If one gets convinced then I am sure he will work on it more for

betterment of this beautiful science of astrology rather than having

too much of criticism!

 

Let's all work TOGETHER in taking this ASTROLOGY science to it's

height and make it really a SCIENCE WITH REPRODUCIBILITY!

 

Wishing everybody great success in their pursits,

 

Yours,

 

Dr. Rajiv C. Karekar

 

Web Address:

http://astrokundali.com/

 

E-mail Addresses:

karekar

karekar

 

 

 

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Gauranga,

> You have put in a nutshell the essence of accuracy achieved in

predictions.I too believe that when one's predictions come true, the

lord uses one as a vehicle to convey message to the Jataka whose time

to listen to his Bhagya has arrived.

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> Gauranga Das

> vedic astrology

> Tuesday, April 22, 2003 9:01 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Is KP sufficiently vedic?

>

>

> JAYA JAGANNATHA!

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Namaste.

>

> I'm not conversant in detail with the KP system, but as far as I

remember

> from our talks on the Nyderabad SJC conference, they use the

Vimsottari

> lords as lords of Nakshatras. If you look more deeply into BPHS,

you will

> see that Maharishis Parashara assigns different planets ot the 27

Naksatras,

> whcih become rulers of the initial Vimsottari Dasa if their Moon

is placed

> there. However, I would not equate this to rulership of the

Nakshatra

> itself, for which he presents 27 Devatas. You should bear in mind

that for

> Astottari, Sodasottari or for that matter any other Udu dasha, the

> distribution of dasha lords linked to nakshatras is utterly

different. So

> even if one assumes that nakshatras are lorded by Vimsottari

lords, if let's

> say Astottari describes his chart better than this will not work.

Alos

> reffering to Deha and Jiva, for me it is too far stretched, so I

cna't

> really relate to it. As you may know they use not only nakshatra

lords but

> sublords, sub-sublords etc.

>

> This however does not disprove that the KP system may give

accurate

> predictions. Those who use it may give their experience. In the

same vain,

> Vedic astrologers do not consider western astrology to be

sufficiently

> grounded, however some western astrologers may still be able to

issue proper

> predictions. This is because the astrological calculations are

tools that we

> use but intuition or giudance from the Paramatma is actually

crucial. If one

> fdoes not get guidance from God then no amount of astrological

tools however

> authentic will help him to give accurate predictions.

>

> Yours,

>

> Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

> gauranga@b...

> Jyotish Remedies:

> WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

> Phone:+36-309-140-839

>

>

> -

> "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

> <vedic astrology>

> Monday, April 21, 2003 7:05 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Is KP sufficiently vedic?

>

>

> > Dear friends:

> >

> > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've

sincerely

> > with an open mind tried to study the Systems approach and I

geniunely

> > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you

an

> > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the

most

> > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a

> > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle

applies

> > in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of

Saturn,

> > my life turns upside down.

> >

> > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for

Scorpio

> > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.

> >

> > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts

of my

> > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made

per

> > Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the

life of

> > my friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea

and

> > predictions apply.

> >

> > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not

sure

> > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only

commenting on

> > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.

> >

> > M.Desai

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > Dear Mr. Visti,

> > > Thanks for your comments.

> > >

> > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal

kitab,

> > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has

taken

> > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this

> > system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see four

> > major differences from parashari astrology -

> > >

> > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house division (western one)

> > >

> > > 2. User of SUB theory

> > >

> > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet

gives

> > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.

> > >

> > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was

used by

> > Parashara himself)

> > >

> > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less on

> > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha

system

> > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for

Nakshatra,

> > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way.

And as

> > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic

astrologers

> > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division

system) does

> > not match with vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for

> > discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be part

of

> > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We

must

> > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is possible. If

we will

> > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists opposing astrology

without

> > trying to understand it. Even some vedic astrologers are using

> > principles similar to KP in some way or other to improve

predicitons.

> > In my opinion KP with divisional charts and some more dasas

might

> > become next step in astrology. And it is only possible if we

will

> > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic sounding

systems of

> > astrology.

> > >

> > > It will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all

Gurus.

> > I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented

on the

> > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or

not?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna------------

------

> > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within

vedic

> > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who

follow

> > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must always be

mean, and

> > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by

implication

> > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow

this.

> > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of

valid

> > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees

from

> > lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their

readings is

> > much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because

those

> > natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their

own

> > rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara

wanted it

> > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis..

namely

> > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into

the

> > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of

> > astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish

and

> > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no

doubt

> > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an

> > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to

confirm

> > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not

> > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy

to

> > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may

flow

> > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope

this

> > helps.Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

> > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org-----

Original

> > Message ----- Punit Pandey vedic-

astrology

> > Friday, April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-

astrology]

> > Re: accuracy in time of birth

> > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that

Jaimini,

> > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to

vedic

> > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts'

comments.

> > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna

> > > dear punit

> > >

> > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is

> > written

> > > in bold letters. i hope you understand

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello All KP Experts,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group.

Today we

> > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all

predictions

> > > based on KP System.

> > > >

> > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no

consensus

> > on

> > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer

programs,

> > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at

> > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub

lords

> > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord

(cuspal sub

> > > lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???

> > > >

> > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate.

At

> > least

> > > lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them

> > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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