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Dear Prakash:

 

My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I think

this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional

benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the

most auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened

to me in the antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is

like an guardian angel for me, whatever mess I get myself into,

Jupiter miraculously gets me out of that mess.

 

However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues to

be very karmic.

 

I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and in my opinion,

Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar system--it

never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is bad.

 

One other thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST

as the Saturn antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt

just as its period is ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.

 

My birth data: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp>

wrote:

> Dear Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic

issues related to children, your love life or romance. Also we need

to look at the position of Jupiter in the chart. I also have the

aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my

lagna itself.

> Thanks!Prakash.

> monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:

>

> My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in

> Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.

>

> Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's

> postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna makes

> one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects

> 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan

<rcnp>

> wrote:

> > Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the

> placement of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a

> scorpio ascendent and i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama.

> Thanks!Prakash.

> >

> > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,

> >

> > You are right on point!!

> >

> > SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very

> good

> > friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More than

> that

> > Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she

> believed

> > in him and really expected that her husband's life would change

> > completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power (What a

> > joke!) Kavach...

> >

> > Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then to

> guide

> > her to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were

professing.

> >

> > I really wish there could be some way of stopping this mischief

> with

> > Vedic Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it is

a

> > setup created by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I must

> say

> > even I was a bit lured to that side when I was a fresher. I read

> how

> > simple it was and what else would a beginner in a subject as

> complex

> > as astrology need? However, experience on their forum for about 3-

4

> > months told me that none of the predictions the members were

doing

> on

> > the forum came true. So I just dropped it and started learning

> > conventional astrology. I think one of the reasons why people go

to

> > SA is because the professor make it seem very simple and he makes

> it

> > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes in

> > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only

one

> > with all the wisdom in the world...

> >

> > I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing really

rolls

> on

> > my heads.

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Rageshwari.

> >

> > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> <monmuk111>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear friends:

> > >

> > > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've

> sincerely

> > > with an open mind tried to study the Systems approach and I

> > geniunely

> > > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you

an

> > > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the

most

> > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a

> > > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle

> applies

> > > in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of

> > Saturn,

> > > my life turns upside down.

> > >

> > > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for

> Scorpio

> > > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.

> > >

> > > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts

of

> my

> > > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made

> per

> > > Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the

life

> of

> > > my friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea

and

> > > predictions apply.

> > >

> > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not

> sure

> > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only

commenting

> > on

> > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.

> > >

> > > M.Desai

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > > Dear Mr. Visti,

> > > > Thanks for your comments.

> > > >

> > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal

> kitab,

> > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has

> taken

> > > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this

> > > system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see

four

> > > major differences from parashari astrology -

> > > >

> > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house division (western one)

> > > >

> > > > 2. User of SUB theory

> > > >

> > > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet

> gives

> > > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.

> > > >

> > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was

used

> > by

> > > Parashara himself)

> > > >

> > > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less

on

> > > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha

> > system

> > > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for

> > Nakshatra,

> > > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way.

And

> as

> > > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic

> > astrologers

> > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division

system)

> > does

> > > not match with vedic astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for

> > > discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be part

of

> > > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We

must

> > > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is possible. If

we

> > will

> > > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists opposing astrology

> > without

> > > trying to understand it. Even some vedic astrologers are using

> > > principles similar to KP in some way or other to improve

> > predicitons.

> > > In my opinion KP with divisional charts and some more dasas

might

> > > become next step in astrology. And it is only possible if we

will

> > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic sounding

systems

> > of

> > > astrology.

> > > >

> > > > It will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all

> > Gurus.

> > > I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented

on

> > the

> > > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or

> > not?

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna------------

--

> --

> > --

> > > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within

> > vedic

> > > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who

> follow

> > > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must always be

mean,

> > and

> > > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by

> > implication

> > > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow

> > this.

> > > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of

> valid

> > > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees

> from

> > > lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their

readings

> is

> > > much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because

> those

> > > natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their

> own

> > > rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara

wanted

> it

> > > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis..

> > namely

> > > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into

> the

> > > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of

> > > astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish

> and

> > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no

> > doubt

> > > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an

> > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to

> > confirm

> > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not

> > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy

> to

> > > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may

> flow

> > > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope

> this

> > > helps.Best wishes

> > > > Visti

> > > > ---

> > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org-----

Original

> > > Message ----- Punit Pandey vedic-

> > astrology

> > > Friday, April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-

> astrology]

> > > Re: accuracy in time of birth

> > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that

> Jaimini,

> > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to

vedic

> > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts'

> > comments.

> > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna

> > > > dear punit

> > > >

> > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is

> > > written

> > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand

> > > > regards

> > > > partha

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello All KP Experts,

> > > > >

> > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group.

Today

> we

> > > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all

> predictions

> > > > based on KP System.

> > > > >

> > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no

> > consensus

> > > on

> > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer

programs,

> > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks

at

> > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub

> > lords

> > > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord

(cuspal

> > sub

> > > > lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???

> > > > >

> > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate.

At

> > > least

> > > > lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them

> > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >

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Dear Mukunda

Since Jupiter is so beneficial, when one is completely cornered and mantras fail

him and nothing works in this dark Kaliyuga, then just keep taking His name

'Brihaspati'. This is among the names listed by Sri Krishna in the

Gita...."among the priests, I am Brihaspati", the Great Lord says.

Lord Shiva Who is the giver of 'Mangalam' love a very specific mantra as given

by Vyasadeva in the Bhagavatam. It is 'Om namo bhagavate Purushottamaaya' .

Incidentally, when I was trying to understand the real form of Purushottama,

guess what the teaching was...Jagannath. The exact form of Purushottama is

Jagannatha and His residence is nilachala parvata (blue mountain of light at

Puri). The body is made of wood (only form to be made of wood - ruled by

Jupiter).

In any case your sookshamtar dasa of Jupiter starts in another four days or so.

Happy days are here again! This time take a break and try to make ti to Puri or

maybe join us at the Puri conference next year in the second week of January.

With best wishes,

Sanjay Rath

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Dear Prakash:My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I

think this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional

benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the most

auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened to me in the

antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is like an guardian angel

for me, whatever mess I get myself into, Jupiter miraculously gets me out of

that mess.However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues to

be very karmic. I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and in my

opinion, Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar system--it

never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is bad.One other

thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST as the Saturn

antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt just as its period is

ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.My birth data: June 14, 1967, 5.30

pm, Bombay, India.Mukundvedic astrology, Prakash

Narayanan <rcnp> wrote:> Dear Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means

you have karmic issues related to children, your love life or romance. Also we

need to look at the position of Jupiter in the chart. I also have the aspect

of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my lagna itself. >

Thanks!Prakash.> monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:> > My

Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in > Navamsha, but in

Saggitarius. Hope this helps.> > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for

me, but per Sanjay's > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha

Lagna makes > one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects

> 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.> > Mukund> > ---

In vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> > wrote:> >

Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the > placement of

your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a > scorpio ascendent and i

have saturn in the 7th house vargottama. > Thanks!Prakash.> > > > rageshwari75

<rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > > > You are right on point!!> > > >

SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very > good > >

friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More than > that > > Mr.

Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she > believed > > in him

and really expected that her husband's life would change > > completely by

wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power (What a > > joke!) Kavach...> > > >

Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then to > guide > > her

to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were professing.> > > > I

really wish there could be some way of stopping this mischief > with > > Vedic

Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it is a > > setup created

by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I must > say > > even I was a bit

lured to that side when I was a fresher. I read > how > > simple it was and

what else would a beginner in a subject as > complex > > as astrology need?

However, experience on their forum for about 3-4 > > months told me that none

of the predictions the members were doing > on > > the forum came true. So I

just dropped it and started learning > > conventional astrology. I think one of

the reasons why people go to > > SA is because the professor make it seem very

simple and he makes > it > > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their

lifetimes in > > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only

one > > with all the wisdom in the world...> > > > I am sorry for sounding a

bit rude, but this SA thing really rolls > on > > my heads.> > > > Namaste.> >

> > Rageshwari.> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" >

<monmuk111> > > wrote:> > > Dear friends:> > > > > > Are you guys talking

about the KP/Systems approach. I've > sincerely > > > with an open mind tried

to study the Systems approach and I > > geniunely > > > feels that Systems

approach is a big heap of crap. To give you an > > > example--it says that for

a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the most > > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE

vedic astrology, Saturn is a > > > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and

this principle > applies > > > in my personal life, every time I go throug the

antardasha of > > Saturn, > > > my life turns upside down. > > > > > > Now,

when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for > Scorpio > > >

ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.> > > > > > I

tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts of > my > > >

family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made > per > > >

Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the life > of > > > my

friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea and > > >

predictions apply.> > > > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems

approach. I'm not > sure > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing,

I'm only commenting > > on > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody

named Chowdry.> > > > > > M.Desai> > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > <punitastrologer>

wrote:> > > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > > > >

I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal > kitab, > > > but

that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has > taken > > > some

other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > > > system, you

will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see four > > > major differences

from parashari astrology -> > > > > > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house

division (western one)> > > > > > > > 2. User of SUB theory> > > > > > > > 3.

Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet > gives > > > the

result of nakshatra in which it is situated.> > > > > > > > 4. Differenct

ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was used > > by > > > Parashara

himself)> > > > > > > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or

less on > > > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha >

> system > > > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for > >

Nakshatra, > > > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way.

And > as > > > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic > >

astrologers > > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division

system) > > does > > > not match with vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > Although

I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for > > > discussing this topic but

in my opinion even KP should be part of > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no

intention to hurt anyone. We must > > > keep inventing and improving astrology,

if it is possible. If we > > will > > > oppose KP, It will be just like

scientists opposing astrology > > without > > > trying to understand it. Even

some vedic astrologers are using > > > principles similar to KP in some way or

other to improve > > predicitons. > > > In my opinion KP with divisional charts

and some more dasas might > > > become next step in astrology. And it is only

possible if we will > > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic

sounding systems > > of > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > It will be good for

discussion if we will get opinion of all > > Gurus. > > > I also want to know

whether anything build/developed/invented on > > the > > > foundation of vedic

astrology can be called vedic astrology or > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

<vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna--------------> --> > --> > > -----Dear

Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within > > vedic > > > astrology,

the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who > follow > > > Parasari

strictly understand that the nodes must always be mean, > > and > > > not true,

to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by > > implication > > > of this,

one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow > > this. > > > As for

ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of > valid > > > research.

Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees > from > > > lahiri, but i

can assure you that their basis for their readings > is > > > much different

from that taught by parasara.. mainly because > those > > > natives don't read

scriptures to begin with, and make up their > own > > > rules along the way!

This is not Jyotish the way Parasara wanted > it > > > to be. Krishnamurty

created the KP system on a similar basis.. > > namely > > > that noone would

teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into > the > > > systems we know today

and is no doubt an interesting system of > > > astrology, but i won't comment.

Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish > and > > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish

that Parasara taught.. have no > > doubt > > > about that. Now to adress your

question on acuracy.Once an > > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime

objective is to > > confirm > > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime

acuracy is simply not > > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove

its acuracy > to > > > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings

may > flow > > > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope

> this > > > helps.Best wishes> > > > Visti> > > > ---> > > > Sri Jagannath

Center: http://.org> > > > Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original > > > Message ----- Punit

Pandey vedic-> > astrology > > > Friday, April 18,

2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-> astrology] > > > Re: accuracy in time of

birth> > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that >

Jaimini, > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to

vedic > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts' > >

comments. > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

wrote:hare rama krishna> > > > dear punit> > > > > > > > the group discusses

vedic astrology. the name of the group is > > > written > > > > in bold

letters. i hope you understand> > > > regards> > > > partha> > > > > > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > >

<punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Hello All KP Experts,> > > > >

> > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today > we > >

> > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all > predictions > > > >

based on KP System. > > > > > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus

on ayanamsa, no > > consensus > > > on > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known

variations of computer programs, > > > > unsteady motion of planets,

unavailability of atomic clocks at > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to

use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub > > lords > > > > change in average of 25 seconds)

lord or even sub lord (cuspal > > sub > > > > lords changes in average of 4

minuts)???> > > > > > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject

to debate. At > > > least > > > > lots of people in India don't have accurate

timing with them > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > > > > > > > > >

Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

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Since Saturn's dispositor is a well placed jupiter.. you should not have much

problems with Saturn's periods. Also your saturn is aspected by exalted jupiter

from the 9th house which will definitely remove the problems caused by saturn

being in the 5th. I have Jupiter in the 2nd house in Moolatrikona but

retrogade. I am running Venus-Jupiter now.

 

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Prakash.monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Dear Prakash:My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I

think this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional

benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the most

auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened to me in the

antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is like an guardian angel

for me, whatever mess I get myself into, Jupiter miraculously gets me out of

that mess.However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues to

be very karmic. I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and in my

opinion, Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar system--it

never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is bad.One other

thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST as the Saturn

antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt just as its period is

ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.My birth data: June 14, 1967, 5.30

pm, Bombay, India.Mukundvedic astrology, Prakash

Narayanan <rcnp> wrote:> Dear Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means

you have karmic issues related to children, your love life or romance. Also we

need to look at the position of Jupiter in the chart. I also have the aspect

of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my lagna itself. >

Thanks!Prakash.> monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:> > My

Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in > Navamsha, but in

Saggitarius. Hope this helps.> > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for

me, but per Sanjay's > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha

Lagna makes > one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects

> 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.> > Mukund> > ---

In vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> > wrote:> >

Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the > placement of

your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a > scorpio ascendent and i

have saturn in the 7th house vargottama. > Thanks!Prakash.> > > > rageshwari75

<rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > > > You are right on point!!> > > >

SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very > good > >

friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More than > that > > Mr.

Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she > believed > > in him

and really expected that her husband's life would change > > completely by

wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power (What a > > joke!) Kavach...> > > >

Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then to > guide > > her

to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were professing.> > > > I

really wish there could be some way of stopping this mischief > with > > Vedic

Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it is a > > setup created

by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I must > say > > even I was a bit

lured to that side when I was a fresher. I read > how > > simple it was and

what else would a beginner in a subject as > complex > > as astrology need?

However, experience on their forum for about 3-4 > > months told me that none

of the predictions the members were doing > on > > the forum came true. So I

just dropped it and started learning > > conventional astrology. I think one of

the reasons why people go to > > SA is because the professor make it seem very

simple and he makes > it > > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their

lifetimes in > > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only

one > > with all the wisdom in the world...> > > > I am sorry for sounding a

bit rude, but this SA thing really rolls > on > > my heads.> > > > Namaste.> >

> > Rageshwari.> > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" >

<monmuk111> > > wrote:> > > Dear friends:> > > > > > Are you guys talking

about the KP/Systems approach. I've > sincerely > > > with an open mind tried

to study the Systems approach and I > > geniunely > > > feels that Systems

approach is a big heap of crap. To give you an > > > example--it says that for

a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the most > > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE

vedic astrology, Saturn is a > > > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and

this principle > applies > > > in my personal life, every time I go throug the

antardasha of > > Saturn, > > > my life turns upside down. > > > > > > Now,

when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for > Scorpio > > >

ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.> > > > > > I

tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts of > my > > >

family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made > per > > >

Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the life > of > > > my

friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea and > > >

predictions apply.> > > > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems

approach. I'm not > sure > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing,

I'm only commenting > > on > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody

named Chowdry.> > > > > > M.Desai> > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > <punitastrologer>

wrote:> > > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > > > >

I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal > kitab, > > > but

that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has > taken > > > some

other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > > > system, you

will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see four > > > major differences

from parashari astrology -> > > > > > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house

division (western one)> > > > > > > > 2. User of SUB theory> > > > > > > > 3.

Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet > gives > > > the

result of nakshatra in which it is situated.> > > > > > > > 4. Differenct

ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was used > > by > > > Parashara

himself)> > > > > > > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or

less on > > > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha >

> system > > > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for > >

Nakshatra, > > > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way.

And > as > > > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic > >

astrologers > > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division

system) > > does > > > not match with vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > Although

I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for > > > discussing this topic but

in my opinion even KP should be part of > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no

intention to hurt anyone. We must > > > keep inventing and improving astrology,

if it is possible. If we > > will > > > oppose KP, It will be just like

scientists opposing astrology > > without > > > trying to understand it. Even

some vedic astrologers are using > > > principles similar to KP in some way or

other to improve > > predicitons. > > > In my opinion KP with divisional charts

and some more dasas might > > > become next step in astrology. And it is only

possible if we will > > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic

sounding systems > > of > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > It will be good for

discussion if we will get opinion of all > > Gurus. > > > I also want to know

whether anything build/developed/invented on > > the > > > foundation of vedic

astrology can be called vedic astrology or > > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > Visti Larsen

<vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna--------------> --> > --> > > -----Dear

Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within > > vedic > > > astrology,

the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who > follow > > > Parasari

strictly understand that the nodes must always be mean, > > and > > > not true,

to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by > > implication > > > of this,

one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow > > this. > > > As for

ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of > valid > > > research.

Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees > from > > > lahiri, but i

can assure you that their basis for their readings > is > > > much different

from that taught by parasara.. mainly because > those > > > natives don't read

scriptures to begin with, and make up their > own > > > rules along the way!

This is not Jyotish the way Parasara wanted > it > > > to be. Krishnamurty

created the KP system on a similar basis.. > > namely > > > that noone would

teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into > the > > > systems we know today

and is no doubt an interesting system of > > > astrology, but i won't comment.

Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish > and > > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish

that Parasara taught.. have no > > doubt > > > about that. Now to adress your

question on acuracy.Once an > > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime

objective is to > > confirm > > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime

acuracy is simply not > > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove

its acuracy > to > > > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings

may > flow > > > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope

> this > > > helps.Best wishes> > > > Visti> > > > ---> > > > Sri Jagannath

Center: http://.org> > > > Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original > > > Message ----- Punit

Pandey vedic-> > astrology > > > Friday, April 18,

2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-> astrology] > > > Re: accuracy in time of

birth> > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that >

Jaimini, > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to

vedic > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts' > >

comments. > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

wrote:hare rama krishna> > > > dear punit> > > > > > > > the group discusses

vedic astrology. the name of the group is > > > written > > > > in bold

letters. i hope you understand> > > > regards> > > > partha> > > > > > > > > >

> > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > >

<punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Hello All KP Experts,> > > > >

> > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today > we > >

> > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all > predictions > > > >

based on KP System. > > > > > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus

on ayanamsa, no > > consensus > > > on > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known

variations of computer programs, > > > > unsteady motion of planets,

unavailability of atomic clocks at > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to

use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub > > lords > > > > change in average of 25 seconds)

lord or even sub lord (cuspal > > sub > > > > lords changes in average of 4

minuts)???> > > > > > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject

to debate. At > > > least > > > > lots of people in India don't have accurate

timing with them > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > > > > > > > > >

Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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We as a family have faced/ facing three Saturn dasas. Saturn's

suffering just has no end...and sometimes you seem to think that the

suffering might just cause you turn in the wrong direction and lose

faith.

 

Rgds,

NCG

 

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111>

wrote:

> Dear Prakash:

>

> My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I

think

> this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--

functional

> benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in

the

> most auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have

happened

> to me in the antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is

> like an guardian angel for me, whatever mess I get myself into,

> Jupiter miraculously gets me out of that mess.

>

> However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues

to

> be very karmic.

>

> I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and in my

opinion,

> Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar system--

it

> never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is bad.

>

> One other thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results

JUST

> as the Saturn antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my

butt

> just as its period is ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.

>

> My birth data: June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India.

>

> Mukund

>

> vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan

<rcnp>

> wrote:

> > Dear Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic

> issues related to children, your love life or romance. Also we

need

> to look at the position of Jupiter in the chart. I also have the

> aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my

> lagna itself.

> > Thanks!Prakash.

> > monmuk111 <monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:

> >

> > My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in

> > Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.

> >

> > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's

> > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna

makes

> > one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn

aspects

> > 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.

> >

> > Mukund

> >

> > vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan

> <rcnp>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the

> > placement of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a

> > scorpio ascendent and i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama.

> > Thanks!Prakash.

> > >

> > > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,

> > >

> > > You are right on point!!

> > >

> > > SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a

very

> > good

> > > friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More

than

> > that

> > > Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she

> > believed

> > > in him and really expected that her husband's life would

change

> > > completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power

(What a

> > > joke!) Kavach...

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then

to

> > guide

> > > her to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were

> professing.

> > >

> > > I really wish there could be some way of stopping this

mischief

> > with

> > > Vedic Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it

is

> a

> > > setup created by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I

must

> > say

> > > even I was a bit lured to that side when I was a fresher. I

read

> > how

> > > simple it was and what else would a beginner in a subject as

> > complex

> > > as astrology need? However, experience on their forum for

about 3-

> 4

> > > months told me that none of the predictions the members were

> doing

> > on

> > > the forum came true. So I just dropped it and started learning

> > > conventional astrology. I think one of the reasons why people

go

> to

> > > SA is because the professor make it seem very simple and he

makes

> > it

> > > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes

in

> > > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only

> one

> > > with all the wisdom in the world...

> > >

> > > I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing really

> rolls

> > on

> > > my heads.

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Rageshwari.

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

> > <monmuk111>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear friends:

> > > >

> > > > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've

> > sincerely

> > > > with an open mind tried to study the Systems approach and I

> > > geniunely

> > > > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give

you

> an

> > > > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the

> most

> > > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is

a

> > > > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle

> > applies

> > > > in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha

of

> > > Saturn,

> > > > my life turns upside down.

> > > >

> > > > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for

> > Scorpio

> > > > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.

> > > >

> > > > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the

charts

> of

> > my

> > > > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction

made

> > per

> > > > Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the

> life

> > of

> > > > my friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic

principlea

> and

> > > > predictions apply.

> > > >

> > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm

not

> > sure

> > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only

> commenting

> > > on

> > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.

> > > >

> > > > M.Desai

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Mr. Visti,

> > > > > Thanks for your comments.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal

> > kitab,

> > > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has

> > taken

> > > > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through

this

> > > > system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see

> four

> > > > major differences from parashari astrology -

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house division (western one)

> > > > >

> > > > > 2. User of SUB theory

> > > > >

> > > > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet

> > gives

> > > > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.

> > > > >

> > > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was

> used

> > > by

> > > > Parashara himself)

> > > > >

> > > > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or

less

> on

> > > > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari

Dasha

> > > system

> > > > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for

> > > Nakshatra,

> > > > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way.

> And

> > as

> > > > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic

> > > astrologers

> > > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division

> system)

> > > does

> > > > not match with vedic astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for

> > > > discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be

part

> of

> > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We

> must

> > > > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is possible.

If

> we

> > > will

> > > > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists opposing

astrology

> > > without

> > > > trying to understand it. Even some vedic astrologers are

using

> > > > principles similar to KP in some way or other to improve

> > > predicitons.

> > > > In my opinion KP with divisional charts and some more dasas

> might

> > > > become next step in astrology. And it is only possible if we

> will

> > > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic sounding

> systems

> > > of

> > > > astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > It will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of

all

> > > Gurus.

> > > > I also want to know whether anything

build/developed/invented

> on

> > > the

> > > > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology

or

> > > not?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna---------

---

> --

> > --

> > > --

> > > > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even

within

> > > vedic

> > > > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who

> > follow

> > > > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must always be

> mean,

> > > and

> > > > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by

> > > implication

> > > > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not

follow

> > > this.

> > > > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of

> > valid

> > > > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10

degrees

> > from

> > > > lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their

> readings

> > is

> > > > much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because

> > those

> > > > natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up

their

> > own

> > > > rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara

> wanted

> > it

> > > > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar

basis..

> > > namely

> > > > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated

into

> > the

> > > > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system

of

> > > > astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-

Jyotish

> > and

> > > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have

no

> > > doubt

> > > > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an

> > > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to

> > > confirm

> > > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply

not

> > > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its

acuracy

> > to

> > > > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings

may

> > flow

> > > > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification.

Hope

> > this

> > > > helps.Best wishes

> > > > > Visti

> > > > > ---

> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org

> > > > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > > > > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org-----

> Original

> > > > Message ----- Punit Pandey vedic-

> > > astrology

> > > > Friday, April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-

> > astrology]

> > > > Re: accuracy in time of birth

> > > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that

> > Jaimini,

> > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to

> vedic

> > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts'

> > > comments.

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > >

> > > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna

> > > > > dear punit

> > > > >

> > > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group

is

> > > > written

> > > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand

> > > > > regards

> > > > > partha

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hello All KP Experts,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group.

> Today

> > we

> > > > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all

> > predictions

> > > > > based on KP System.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no

> > > consensus

> > > > on

> > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer

> programs,

> > > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic

clocks

> at

> > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-

sub

> > > lords

> > > > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord

> (cuspal

> > > sub

> > > > > lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to

debate.

> At

> > > > least

> > > > > lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with

them

> > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Punit Pandey

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The New Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-

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We as a family have faced/ facing three Saturn dasas. Saturn's suffering just

has no end...and sometimes you seem to think that the suffering might just

cause you turn in the wrong direction and lose faith. Rgds,NCG--- In

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear

Prakash:> > My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I

think > this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional >

benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the > most

auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened > to me in the

antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is > like an guardian angel

for me, whatever mess I get myself into, > Jupiter miraculously gets me out of

that mess.> > However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues

to > be very karmic. > > I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and

in my opinion, > Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar

system--it > never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is

bad.> > One other thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST >

as the Saturn antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt > just as

its period is ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.> > My birth data:

June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India.> > Mukund> > --- In

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> > wrote:> > Dear

Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic > issues related to

children, your love life or romance. Also we need > to look at the position of

Jupiter in the chart. I also have the > aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house

from Arudha lagna which is my > lagna itself. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > monmuk111

<monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:> > > > My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces

in Rashi and also in the 5th in > > Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this

helps.> > > > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's

> > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna makes > > one

wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects > > 11th from my

Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.> > > > Mukund> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan > <rcnp> > > wrote:> >

> Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the > > placement

of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a > > scorpio ascendent and

i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > > > > >

rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > > > > > You are right

on point!!> > > > > > SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of

a very > > good > > > friend of mine without getting her anything out of it.

More than > > that > > > Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and

poor she > > believed > > > in him and really expected that her husband's life

would change > > > completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power

(What a > > > joke!) Kavach...> > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not have much

clue about astrology then to > > guide > > > her to not go the short route Mr.

Choudhry and gang were > professing.> > > > > > I really wish there could be

some way of stopping this mischief > > with > > > Vedic Astrology in the form

of SA. I sincerely believe that it is > a > > > setup created by Mr. Choudhry

and likes to make big bucks! I must > > say > > > even I was a bit lured to

that side when I was a fresher. I read > > how > > > simple it was and what

else would a beginner in a subject as > > complex > > > as astrology need?

However, experience on their forum for about 3-> 4 > > > months told me that

none of the predictions the members were > doing > > on > > > the forum came

true. So I just dropped it and started learning > > > conventional astrology. I

think one of the reasons why people go > to > > > SA is because the professor

make it seem very simple and he makes > > it > > > sound as if like Sage

Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes in > > > emptiness creating unneeded

complexity and like he is the only > one > > > with all the wisdom in the

world...> > > > > > I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing

really > rolls > > on > > > my heads.> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > >

Rageshwari.> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > >

<monmuk111> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear friends:> > > > > > > > Are you guys

talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've > > sincerely > > > > with an open

mind tried to study the Systems approach and I > > > geniunely > > > > feels

that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you > an > > > >

example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the > most > > > >

benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a > > > >

functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle > > applies > > > >

in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of > > > Saturn, > >

> > my life turns upside down. > > > > > > > > Now, when Systems approach says

that Saturn is the MBPF for > > Scorpio > > > > ascendant, it is just a joke or

a lie or just a heap of crap.> > > > > > > > I tried to apply the Sytems

approach principles to the charts > of > > my > > > > family and friends and

NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made > > per > > > > Systems Approach

coinsides with the lives and events in the > life > > of > > > > my friends and

family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea > and > > > > predictions apply.>

> > > > > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not > >

sure > > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only > commenting

> > > on > > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.> > >

> > > > > M.Desai> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > > <punitastrologer>

wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > >

> > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal > > kitab, >

> > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has > > taken > >

> > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > > > >

system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see > four > > > >

major differences from parashari astrology -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Use of

Placidus system of house division (western one)> > > > > > > > > > 2. User of

SUB theory> > > > > > > > > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying

that planet > > gives > > > > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.>

> > > > > > > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was >

used > > > by > > > > Parashara himself)> > > > > > > > > > From above you can

see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less > on > > > > vedic astrology. SUB

theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha > > > system > > > > as it is. The

same division has been used. The same is for > > > Nakshatra, > > > > some nadi

author also give importance to nakshatra this way. > And > > as > > > > you said

that there is lack of concensus even among vedic > > > astrologers > > > > for

ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division > system) > > > does > > >

> not match with vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Although I don't say that

I have sufficient knowledge for > > > > discussing this topic but in my opinion

even KP should be part > of > > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to

hurt anyone. We > must > > > > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is

possible. If > we > > > will > > > > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists

opposing astrology > > > without > > > > trying to understand it. Even some

vedic astrologers are using > > > > principles similar to KP in some way or

other to improve > > > predicitons. > > > > In my opinion KP with divisional

charts and some more dasas > might > > > > become next step in astrology. And

it is only possible if we > will > > > > first open ourselves for discussion on

non-vedic sounding > systems > > > of > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > It

will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all > > > Gurus. > > > >

I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented > on > > > the >

> > > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or > > >

not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit

Pandey> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama

Krishna------------> --> > --> > > --> > > > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic

astrology, however even within > > > vedic > > > > astrology, the Jyotishis

have a mind of their own. Those who > > follow > > > > Parasari strictly

understand that the nodes must always be > mean, > > > and > > > > not true, to

fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by > > > implication > > > > of this,

one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow > > > this. > > > > As

for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of > > valid > > > >

research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees > > from > > > >

lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their > readings > > is > > >

> much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because > > those > > >

> natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their > > own > > >

> rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara > wanted > > it > >

> > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis.. > > > namely

> > > > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into > > the

> > > > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of > > > >

astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish > > and > > > >

Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no > > > doubt > >

> > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an > > > >

astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to > > > confirm > >

> > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not > > > >

relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy > > to > > > >

begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may > > flow > > > >

like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope > > this > > > >

helps.Best wishes> > > > > Visti> > > > > ---> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center:

http://.org> > > > > Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- > Original > > > > Message -----

Punit Pandey vedic-> > > astrology > > > > Friday,

April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-> > astrology] > > > > Re: accuracy

in time of birth> > > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think

that > > Jaimini, > > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all

belong to > vedic > > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking

experts' > > > comments. > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > "V.partha

sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna> > > > > dear punit> > > > >

> > > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is > > > >

written > > > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand> > > > > regards> > > >

> partha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Punit Pandey > > > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello All KP Experts,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question to ask to all

experts of this group. > Today > > we > > > > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords

of cusps in nearly all > > predictions > > > > > based on KP System. > > > > >

> > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no > > >

consensus > > > > on > > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of

computer > programs, > > > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of

atomic clocks > at > > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub

(cuspal sub-sub > > > lords > > > > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or

even sub lord > (cuspal > > > sub > > > > > lords changes in average of 4

minuts)???> > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good

subject to debate. > At > > > > least > > > > > lots of people in India don't

have accurate timing with them > > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The New

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Dear sanjayji,

Very good site as indicated by you. Thank you.

Chandrashekhar.

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Wednesday, April 23, 2003 11:38 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Saturn--is this the most karmic planet or what?

 

 

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DearJyotisha

This is a storehouse of knowledge

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We as a family have faced/ facing three Saturn dasas. Saturn's suffering just

has no end...and sometimes you seem to think that the suffering might just

cause you turn in the wrong direction and lose faith. Rgds,NCG--- In

vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> wrote:> Dear

Prakash:> > My Jupiter is exhalted in the 9th house--lord of 2nd and 5th, I

think > this is the best postion for Juipter and the best Jupiter--functional >

benefic and offcourse a natural benefic in an exhalted avastha in the > most

auspicious trine, the 9th house. Excellent things have happened > to me in the

antardasha and sub-sub periods of Jupiter. Jupiter is > like an guardian angel

for me, whatever mess I get myself into, > Jupiter miraculously gets me out of

that mess.> > However, despite the good placement of Jupiter, Saturn continues

to > be very karmic. > > I'm taking baby steps at learning Vedic astrology and

in my opinion, > Saturn is the MOST Karmic planet of our Vedic system/solar

system--it > never fails to give its fruits--good or bad. In my case, it is

bad.> > One other thing I noticed, Saturn gives me all the bad results JUST >

as the Saturn antardasha or sub-sub dasha is ending--it kicks my butt > just as

its period is ending. I'll continue my research on Saturn.> > My birth data:

June 14, 1967, 5.30 pm, Bombay, India.> > Mukund> > --- In

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> > wrote:> > Dear

Mukund, Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic > issues related to

children, your love life or romance. Also we need > to look at the position of

Jupiter in the chart. I also have the > aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house

from Arudha lagna which is my > lagna itself. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > monmuk111

<monmuk111> wrote:Hello Mr. Narayan:> > > > My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces

in Rashi and also in the 5th in > > Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this

helps.> > > > Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's

> > postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna makes > > one

wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects > > 11th from my

Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.> > > > Mukund> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan > <rcnp> > > wrote:> >

> Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the > > placement

of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a > > scorpio ascendent and

i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama. > > Thanks!Prakash.> > > > > >

rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > > > > > You are right

on point!!> > > > > > SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of

a very > > good > > > friend of mine without getting her anything out of it.

More than > > that > > > Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and

poor she > > believed > > > in him and really expected that her husband's life

would change > > > completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power

(What a > > > joke!) Kavach...> > > > > > Unfortunately, I did not have much

clue about astrology then to > > guide > > > her to not go the short route Mr.

Choudhry and gang were > professing.> > > > > > I really wish there could be

some way of stopping this mischief > > with > > > Vedic Astrology in the form

of SA. I sincerely believe that it is > a > > > setup created by Mr. Choudhry

and likes to make big bucks! I must > > say > > > even I was a bit lured to

that side when I was a fresher. I read > > how > > > simple it was and what

else would a beginner in a subject as > > complex > > > as astrology need?

However, experience on their forum for about 3-> 4 > > > months told me that

none of the predictions the members were > doing > > on > > > the forum came

true. So I just dropped it and started learning > > > conventional astrology. I

think one of the reasons why people go > to > > > SA is because the professor

make it seem very simple and he makes > > it > > > sound as if like Sage

Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes in > > > emptiness creating unneeded

complexity and like he is the only > one > > > with all the wisdom in the

world...> > > > > > I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing

really > rolls > > on > > > my heads.> > > > > > Namaste.> > > > > >

Rageshwari.> > > > > > vedic astrology, "monmuk111" > >

<monmuk111> > > > wrote:> > > > Dear friends:> > > > > > > > Are you guys

talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've > > sincerely > > > > with an open

mind tried to study the Systems approach and I > > > geniunely > > > > feels

that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you > an > > > >

example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the > most > > > >

benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a > > > >

functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle > > applies > > > >

in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of > > > Saturn, > >

> > my life turns upside down. > > > > > > > > Now, when Systems approach says

that Saturn is the MBPF for > > Scorpio > > > > ascendant, it is just a joke or

a lie or just a heap of crap.> > > > > > > > I tried to apply the Sytems

approach principles to the charts > of > > my > > > > family and friends and

NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made > > per > > > > Systems Approach

coinsides with the lives and events in the > life > > of > > > > my friends and

family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea > and > > > > predictions apply.>

> > > > > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not > >

sure > > > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only > commenting

> > > on > > > > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.> > >

> > > > > M.Desai> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > > > <punitastrologer>

wrote:> > > > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > > > Thanks for your comments. > > > > > >

> > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal > > kitab, >

> > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has > > taken > >

> > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > > > >

system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see > four > > > >

major differences from parashari astrology -> > > > > > > > > > 1. Use of

Placidus system of house division (western one)> > > > > > > > > > 2. User of

SUB theory> > > > > > > > > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying

that planet > > gives > > > > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.>

> > > > > > > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was >

used > > > by > > > > Parashara himself)> > > > > > > > > > From above you can

see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less > on > > > > vedic astrology. SUB

theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha > > > system > > > > as it is. The

same division has been used. The same is for > > > Nakshatra, > > > > some nadi

author also give importance to nakshatra this way. > And > > as > > > > you said

that there is lack of concensus even among vedic > > > astrologers > > > > for

ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division > system) > > > does > > >

> not match with vedic astrology. > > > > > > > > > > Although I don't say that

I have sufficient knowledge for > > > > discussing this topic but in my opinion

even KP should be part > of > > > > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to

hurt anyone. We > must > > > > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is

possible. If > we > > > will > > > > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists

opposing astrology > > > without > > > > trying to understand it. Even some

vedic astrologers are using > > > > principles similar to KP in some way or

other to improve > > > predicitons. > > > > In my opinion KP with divisional

charts and some more dasas > might > > > > become next step in astrology. And

it is only possible if we > will > > > > first open ourselves for discussion on

non-vedic sounding > systems > > > of > > > > astrology.> > > > > > > > > > It

will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all > > > Gurus. > > > >

I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented > on > > > the >

> > > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or > > >

not? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > Punit

Pandey> > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama

Krishna------------> --> > --> > > --> > > > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic

astrology, however even within > > > vedic > > > > astrology, the Jyotishis

have a mind of their own. Those who > > follow > > > > Parasari strictly

understand that the nodes must always be > mean, > > > and > > > > not true, to

fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by > > > implication > > > > of this,

one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow > > > this. > > > > As

for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of > > valid > > > >

research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees > > from > > > >

lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their > readings > > is > > >

> much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because > > those > > >

> natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their > > own > > >

> rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara > wanted > > it > >

> > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis.. > > > namely

> > > > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into > > the

> > > > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of > > > >

astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish > > and > > > >

Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no > > > doubt > >

> > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an > > > >

astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to > > > confirm > >

> > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not > > > >

relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy > > to > > > >

begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may > > flow > > > >

like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope > > this > > > >

helps.Best wishes> > > > > Visti> > > > > ---> > > > > Sri Jagannath Center:

http://.org> > > > > Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > > > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- > Original > > > > Message -----

Punit Pandey vedic-> > > astrology > > > > Friday,

April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-> > astrology] > > > > Re: accuracy

in time of birth> > > > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think

that > > Jaimini, > > > > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all

belong to > vedic > > > > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking

experts' > > > comments. > > > > Punit Pandey> > > > > > > > > > "V.partha

sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna> > > > > dear punit> > > > >

> > > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is > > > >

written > > > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand> > > > > regards> > > >

> partha> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology,

Punit Pandey > > > > > <punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >

Hello All KP Experts,> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a question to ask to all

experts of this group. > Today > > we > > > > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords

of cusps in nearly all > > predictions > > > > > based on KP System. > > > > >

> > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no > > >

consensus > > > > on > > > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of

computer > programs, > > > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of

atomic clocks > at > > > > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub

(cuspal sub-sub > > > lords > > > > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or

even sub lord > (cuspal > > > sub > > > > > lords changes in average of 4

minuts)???> > > > > > > > > > > > I think it is a basic question and good

subject to debate. > At > > > > least > > > > > lots of people in India don't

have accurate timing with them > > > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > >

> > > > > Punit Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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