Is KP sufficiently vedic?--to Prakash (rcnp@)

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Hello Mr. Narayan:

 

My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in

Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.

 

Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely karmic for me, but per Sanjay's

postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from Arudha Lagna makes

one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn aspects

11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.

 

Mukund

 

vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp>

wrote:

> Dear Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the

placement of your saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a

scorpio ascendent and i have saturn in the 7th house vargottama.

Thanks!Prakash.

>

> rageshwari75 <rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,

>

> You are right on point!!

>

> SA really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very

good

> friend of mine without getting her anything out of it. More than

that

> Mr. Choudhry gave her all kinds of false hopes and poor she

believed

> in him and really expected that her husband's life would change

> completely by wearing one of Mr. Choudhry's Special Power (What a

> joke!) Kavach...

>

> Unfortunately, I did not have much clue about astrology then to

guide

> her to not go the short route Mr. Choudhry and gang were professing.

>

> I really wish there could be some way of stopping this mischief

with

> Vedic Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely believe that it is a

> setup created by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big bucks! I must

say

> even I was a bit lured to that side when I was a fresher. I read

how

> simple it was and what else would a beginner in a subject as

complex

> as astrology need? However, experience on their forum for about 3-4

> months told me that none of the predictions the members were doing

on

> the forum came true. So I just dropped it and started learning

> conventional astrology. I think one of the reasons why people go to

> SA is because the professor make it seem very simple and he makes

it

> sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted their lifetimes in

> emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the only one

> with all the wisdom in the world...

>

> I am sorry for sounding a bit rude, but this SA thing really rolls

on

> my heads.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111"

<monmuk111>

> wrote:

> > Dear friends:

> >

> > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems approach. I've

sincerely

> > with an open mind tried to study the Systems approach and I

> geniunely

> > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of crap. To give you an

> > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn in the most

> > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a

> > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle

applies

> > in my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of

> Saturn,

> > my life turns upside down.

> >

> > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is the MBPF for

Scorpio

> > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap of crap.

> >

> > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts of

my

> > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made

per

> > Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the life

of

> > my friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea and

> > predictions apply.

> >

> > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not

sure

> > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only commenting

> on

> > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.

> >

> > M.Desai

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > Dear Mr. Visti,

> > > Thanks for your comments.

> > >

> > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for lal

kitab,

> > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has

taken

> > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this

> > system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see four

> > major differences from parashari astrology -

> > >

> > > 1. Use of Placidus system of house division (western one)

> > >

> > > 2. User of SUB theory

> > >

> > > 3. Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet

gives

> > the result of nakshatra in which it is situated.

> > >

> > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one know which ayanamsa was used

> by

> > Parashara himself)

> > >

> > > From above you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less on

> > vedic astrology. SUB theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha

> system

> > as it is. The same division has been used. The same is for

> Nakshatra,

> > some nadi author also give importance to nakshatra this way. And

as

> > you said that there is lack of concensus even among vedic

> astrologers

> > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1 (i.e. the house division system)

> does

> > not match with vedic astrology.

> > >

> > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for

> > discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be part of

> > vedic astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We must

> > keep inventing and improving astrology, if it is possible. If we

> will

> > oppose KP, It will be just like scientists opposing astrology

> without

> > trying to understand it. Even some vedic astrologers are using

> > principles similar to KP in some way or other to improve

> predicitons.

> > In my opinion KP with divisional charts and some more dasas might

> > become next step in astrology. And it is only possible if we will

> > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic sounding systems

> of

> > astrology.

> > >

> > > It will be good for discussion if we will get opinion of all

> Gurus.

> > I also want to know whether anything build/developed/invented on

> the

> > foundation of vedic astrology can be called vedic astrology or

> not?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama Krishna--------------

--

> --

> > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology, however even within

> vedic

> > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their own. Those who

follow

> > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must always be mean,

> and

> > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence by

> implication

> > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not follow

> this.

> > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of

valid

> > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees

from

> > lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their readings

is

> > much different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because

those

> > natives don't read scriptures to begin with, and make up their

own

> > rules along the way! This is not Jyotish the way Parasara wanted

it

> > to be. Krishnamurty created the KP system on a similar basis..

> namely

> > that noone would teach him Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into

the

> > systems we know today and is no doubt an interesting system of

> > astrology, but i won't comment. Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish

and

> > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that Parasara taught.. have no

> doubt

> > about that. Now to adress your question on acuracy.Once an

> > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective is to

> confirm

> > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply not

> > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy

to

> > begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may

flow

> > like nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope

this

> > helps.Best wishes

> > > Visti

> > > ---

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> > > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

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> > Message ----- Punit Pandey vedic-

> astrology

> > Friday, April 18, 2003 1:16 PMRe: [vedic-

astrology]

> > Re: accuracy in time of birth

> > > Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that

Jaimini,

> > Tajik, Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to vedic

> > astrology. Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts'

> comments.

> > Punit Pandey

> > >

> > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna

> > > dear punit

> > >

> > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is

> > written

> > > in bold letters. i hope you understand

> > > regards

> > > partha

> > >

> > >

> > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey

> > > <punitastrologer> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello All KP Experts,

> > > >

> > > > I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today

we

> > > utilize sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all

predictions

> > > based on KP System.

> > > >

> > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no

> consensus

> > on

> > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer programs,

> > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at

> > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub

> lords

> > > change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal

> sub

> > > lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???

> > > >

> > > > I think it is a basic question and good subject to debate. At

> > least

> > > lots of people in India don't have accurate timing with them

> > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Punit Pandey

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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Saturn in the 5th in Pisces means you have karmic issues related to children,

your love life or romance. Also we need to look at the position of Jupiter in

the chart.

 

I also have the aspect of Saturn on my 11 th house from Arudha lagna which is my lagna itself.

Thanks!

Prakash.

monmuk111 <monmuk111 > wrote:

Hello Mr. Narayan:My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in

Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely

karmic for me, but per Sanjay's postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from

Arudha Lagna makes one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn

aspects 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.Mukund---

In vedic astrology, Prakash Narayanan <rcnp> wrote:> Dear

Mr. Desai, Besides the K.P issue, can you please tell the placement of your

saturn.. like in which rashi etc? I am also a scorpio ascendent and i have

saturn in the 7th house vargottama. Thanks!Prakash.> > rageshwari75

<rageshwari75> wrote:Dear Desaiji,> > You are right on point!!> > SA

really is a bunch of ****. Trust me it wasted 300 $ of a very good > friend of

mine without getting her anything out of it. More than that > Mr. Choudhry gave

her all kinds of false hopes and poor she believed > in him and really expected

that her husband's life would change > completely by wearing one of Mr.

Choudhry's Special Power (What a > joke!) Kavach...> > Unfortunately, I did not

have much clue about astrology then to guide > her to not go the short route Mr.

Choudhry and gang were professing.> > I really wish there could be some way of

stopping this mischief with > Vedic Astrology in the form of SA. I sincerely

believe that it is a > setup created by Mr. Choudhry and likes to make big

bucks! I must say > even I was a bit lured to that side when I was a fresher. I

read how > simple it was and what else would a beginner in a subject as complex

> as astrology need? However, experience on their forum for about 3-4 > months

told me that none of the predictions the members were doing on > the forum came

true. So I just dropped it and started learning > conventional astrology. I

think one of the reasons why people go to > SA is because the professor make it

seem very simple and he makes it > sound as if like Sage Parashara et al wasted

their lifetimes in > emptiness creating unneeded complexity and like he is the

only one > with all the wisdom in the world...> > I am sorry for sounding a bit

rude, but this SA thing really rolls on > my heads.> > Namaste.> > Rageshwari.>

> vedic astrology, "monmuk111" <monmuk111> >

wrote:> > Dear friends:> > > > Are you guys talking about the KP/Systems

approach. I've sincerely > > with an open mind tried to study the Systems

approach and I > geniunely > > feels that Systems approach is a big heap of

crap. To give you an > > example--it says that for a Scorpio ascendant, Saturn

in the most > > benefic planet. Now, per the PURE vedic astrology, Saturn is a

> > functional malefic for Scorpio ascendant and this principle applies > > in

my personal life, every time I go throug the antardasha of > Saturn, > > my

life turns upside down. > > > > Now, when Systems approach says that Saturn is

the MBPF for Scorpio > > ascendant, it is just a joke or a lie or just a heap

of crap.> > > > I tried to apply the Sytems approach principles to the charts

of my > > family and friends and NOTHING applies. Not one prediction made per >

> Systems Approach coinsides with the lives and events in the life of > > my

friends and family; whereas, all the PURE vedic principlea and > > predictions

apply.> > > > This is just my experience of the KP/Systems approach. I'm not

sure > > if KP and Systems are one and the same thing, I'm only commenting > on

> > the Systems Approach developed by somebody named Chowdry.> > > > M.Desai> >

> > > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > >

<punitastrologer> wrote:> > > Dear Mr. Visti,> > > Thanks for your

comments. > > > > > > I have my difference of opinion regarding KP (Even for

lal kitab, > > but that I don't want to discuss here). It seems that KP has

taken > > some other path than vedic astrology but if you go through this > >

system, you will find parahsari jyotish in the heart. I see four > > major

differences from parashari astrology -> > > > > > 1. Use of Placidus system of

house division (western one)> > > > > > 2. User of SUB theory> > > > > > 3.

Giving more importance to Naksharta. Saying that planet gives > > the result of

nakshatra in which it is situated.> > > > > > 4. Differenct ayanamsa (but no one

know which ayanamsa was used > by > > Parashara himself)> > > > > > From above

you can see the 2,3 and 4 and based more or less on > > vedic astrology. SUB

theory is devised from Vimshottari Dasha > system > > as it is. The same

division has been used. The same is for > Nakshatra, > > some nadi author also

give importance to nakshatra this way. And as > > you said that there is lack

of concensus even among vedic > astrologers > > for ayanamsas. Only the point 1

(i.e. the house division system) > does > > not match with vedic astrology. > >

> > > > Although I don't say that I have sufficient knowledge for > >

discussing this topic but in my opinion even KP should be part of > > vedic

astrology. Even I have no intention to hurt anyone. We must > > keep inventing

and improving astrology, if it is possible. If we > will > > oppose KP, It will

be just like scientists opposing astrology > without > > trying to understand

it. Even some vedic astrologers are using > > principles similar to KP in some

way or other to improve > predicitons. > > In my opinion KP with divisional

charts and some more dasas might > > become next step in astrology. And it is

only possible if we will > > first open ourselves for discussion on non-vedic

sounding systems > of > > astrology.> > > > > > It will be good for discussion

if we will get opinion of all > Gurus. > > I also want to know whether anything

build/developed/invented on > the > > foundation of vedic astrology can be

called vedic astrology or > not? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> >

> Punit Pandey> > > > > > Visti Larsen <vishnu@l...> wrote:Hare Rama

Krishna----------------> --> > -----Dear Punit,It is all vedic astrology,

however even within > vedic > > astrology, the Jyotishis have a mind of their

own. Those who follow > > Parasari strictly understand that the nodes must

always be mean, > and > > not true, to fulfill the duty assigned to them, hence

by > implication > > of this, one uses mean nodes. But yet some people do not

follow > this. > > As for ayanamsa, the reason for lack of consensus is lack of

valid > > research. Some oppine an ayanamsa that is more than 10 degrees from >

> lahiri, but i can assure you that their basis for their readings is > > much

different from that taught by parasara.. mainly because those > > natives don't

read scriptures to begin with, and make up their own > > rules along the way!

This is not Jyotish the way Parasara wanted it > > to be. Krishnamurty created

the KP system on a similar basis.. > namely > > that noone would teach him

Jyotish! Tajik is incorperated into the > > systems we know today and is no

doubt an interesting system of > > astrology, but i won't comment.

Bhrigu-Jyotish is Nadi-Jyotish and > > Nadi-Jyotish is the same Jyotish that

Parasara taught.. have no > doubt > > about that. Now to adress your question

on acuracy.Once an > > astrologer gets a birth chart, his/her prime objective

is to > confirm > > its acuracy. So the question of birthtime acuracy is simply

not > > relevant, as usually the Astrologer is out to prove its acuracy to > >

begin with. When the astrologer has done so, the readings may flow > > like

nectar, so the question is Birth-time rectification. Hope this > > helps.Best

wishes> > > Visti> > > ---> > > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org>

> > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> > > iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org----- Original > > Message ----- Punit

Pandey vedic-> astrology > > Friday, April 18, 2003

1:16 PMRe: [vedic astrology] > > Re: accuracy in time of birth> > >

Dear Mr. Partha, Sorry for mistake. I used to think that Jaimini, > > Tajik,

Hora, Nadi, Bhrigu, KP, Lal Kitab etc. all belong to vedic > > astrology.

Probably some are not as vedic. Seeking experts' > comments. > > Punit Pandey>

> > > > > "V.partha sarathy" <partvinu5> wrote:hare rama krishna> > > dear

punit> > > > > > the group discusses vedic astrology. the name of the group is >

> written > > > in bold letters. i hope you understand> > > regards> > > partha>

> > > > > > > > vedic astrology, Punit Pandey > > >

<punitastrologer> wrote:> > > > > > > > Hello All KP Experts,> > > > > > >

> I have a question to ask to all experts of this group. Today we > > > utilize

sub and sub-sub lords of cusps in nearly all predictions > > > based on KP

System. > > > > > > > > We all know that there is no consensus on ayanamsa, no

> consensus > > on > > > true rahu and mean rahu, known variations of computer

programs, > > > unsteady motion of planets, unavailability of atomic clocks at

> > > hospitals/homes etc., is it OK to use sub-sub (cuspal sub-sub > lords > >

> change in average of 25 seconds) lord or even sub lord (cuspal > sub > > >

lords changes in average of 4 minuts)???> > > > > > > > I think it is a basic

question and good subject to debate. At > > least > > > lots of people in India

don't have accurate timing with them > > > (accuracy less than 4 minutes).> > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Punit

Pandey > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Dear Mukund

Saturn has Graha dristi on 11th (desire??) No rasi drishti. It is Jupiter and

venus that have this on the Sun.

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Hello Mr. Narayan:My Satrun is in 5th in Pisces in Rashi and also in the 5th in

Navamsha, but in Saggitarius. Hope this helps.Ha ha, Satrun has been extremely

karmic for me, but per Sanjay's postulate that Saturn in or aspecting 11th from

Arudha Lagna makes one wealthy, I guess I'll end up being wealthy--my Saturn

aspects 11th from my Arudha Lagna which is in the 9th in Rashi chart.Mukund

 

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