Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Om Gurave NamahDear Narasimha, Iraq isn't going to be a cakewalk like you make it look..this time around they will be smarter having learnt a lesson or two from the Al Quaida chaps. The world hesitates and so is President Bush...those token strikes aren't going to dent. They need more muscle from the air...Saturn Vaayu tatva.. Read the last lines in my article..what is this war all about? What is their target..When will this be achieved if at all? These are the questions.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:44 AM [vedic astrology] Iraq war Namaste all, Finally the Iraq war started. I have noticed in the past that wars start when Mars and Saturn conjoin or mutually aspect in Rudramsa (D-11) and mentioned this on this list a couple of years back. Right now, exalted Mars and Saturn in own sign have a tug of war in tamasik Capricorn in D-11 chart. This will end tomorrow night. When a 72-hour ultimatum was speculated in the media the other day, I was perplexed because then war would have to start after Mars and Saturn separated in D-11. But only a 48-hour ultimatum was given finally and the war started with Mars and Saturn together in D-11. > Dear Sanjayji,> Very good article and good analysis. I think the war could start around7th April when sat Mars oppose each other in Gemini-Sagitarius.> I am certain , I need not give reasons to you.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar. President Bush's natal dasamsa Moon is in Sg. I expect him to start and win the war before transit Saturn leaves Rahu's company in the 6th house. Instead of relying on unreliable charts like USA/Iraq formation charts, let us just look at Washington DC's annual lunar (Full Moon) chart of 2002-03 (26 April 2002, 11:00:29 pm EDT, Washington DC). Find its Narayana dasa. Li dasa with Moon during the last few weeks brought intense dipolomacy. Its end brought the war. However, I think the strikes of today were a token start of the war. The real war will start only tomorrow afternoon, after Sc dasa begins. In Sc dasa, results are given by Ta. From Ta, both 3rd and 6th houses are aspected by Mars, Saturn and Rahu. This dasa is the 10th from AL and 12th from A6. Enemy's loss will come in this dasa. If at all the war is dragged on to after April 7, it will last longer. But, it is more likely to finish by April 7. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2003 Report Share Posted March 20, 2003 Dear members, There is a strong world opinion today that the actions of the US in Iraq has undermined the United Nations, and has opened the door to every nation with any sort of military power to justify an attack on another country. Within the US, there is a lingering fear that this war will aggravate the terrorist groups to launch random attacks. How does all of this show up astrologically? What is in the future of the USA and the United nations? Will there be another superpower? or will terrorism emerge as the super power? Just something to look into. Venkatesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 The war drama has begun as feard by many "Astrologers" and "US Think Tanks". Many thought that it might be possible when Saturn would stationed in Taurus(on 22/23 Feb) while some hold that it could not before Saturn ingress in Gemini (7 April 2003) Unfortunately the chart of US, has been amongst most debatable issue, as there is not a single opinion on US chart. Some mundane astrologers take US chart with Scorpio rising, some take Gemini while some consider Cancer lagna. Last month, P.V.R. Narasimharao and Mr Ramadas Rao gave good astro analysis by using Tithi Ashtotari Dasa, on Bush and Saddam's natal chart respectively. It is also noted that this war is not between two nations, i.e. not between US and Iraqi masses but seems between Bush and Saddam. So it is more logical to take birth charts of Bush and Saddam. Bush has all planets hemmed in between Ke-Ra circle, and it is said that if any ruler has this combination (Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita) his country offen involves in war like activities, when dasa of nodes operate. And currently G.W.Bush is going through Sa-Ra since September 2000. And very soon (1st week of April) Saddam’s Mars maha dasa will begin......................................? Second important factor is the time of starting war. US forces attacked on Iraq on 20 March 2003. at 05:35:00 am Baghdad (3:00 ahead of GMT). This mahurata may throw light when this war will terminate. (I am attaching all three relevent charts, i.e. Bush, Saddam and War Beggining) Regards IMRAN Sanjay Rath <vyasa (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Narasimha, Iraq isn't going to be a cakewalk like you make it look..this time around they will be smarter having learnt a lesson or two from the Al Quaida chaps. The world hesitates and so is President Bush...those token strikes aren't going to dent. They need more muscle from the air...Saturn Vaayu tatva.. Read the last lines in my article..what is this war all about? What is their target..When will this be achieved if at all? These are the questions.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:44 AM [vedic astrology] Iraq war Namaste all, Finally the Iraq war started. I have noticed in the past that wars start when Mars and Saturn conjoin or mutually aspect in Rudramsa (D-11) and mentioned this on this list a couple of years back. Right now, exalted Mars and Saturn in own sign have a tug of war in tamasik Capricorn in D-11 chart. This will end tomorrow night. When a 72-hour ultimatum was speculated in the media the other day, I was perplexed because then war would have to start after Mars and Saturn separated in D-11. But only a 48-hour ultimatum was given finally and the war started with Mars and Saturn together in D-11. > Dear Sanjayji,> Very good article and good analysis. I think the war could start around7th April when sat Mars oppose each other in Gemini-Sagitarius.> I am certain , I need not give reasons to you.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar. President Bush's natal dasamsa Moon is in Sg. I expect him to start and win the war before transit Saturn leaves Rahu's company in the 6th house. Instead of relying on unreliable charts like USA/Iraq formation charts, let us just look at Washington DC's annual lunar (Full Moon) chart of 2002-03 (26 April 2002, 11:00:29 pm EDT, Washington DC). Find its Narayana dasa. Li dasa with Moon during the last few weeks brought intense dipolomacy. Its end brought the war. However, I think the strikes of today were a token start of the war. The real war will start only tomorrow afternoon, after Sc dasa begins. In Sc dasa, results are given by Ta. From Ta, both 3rd and 6th houses are aspected by Mars, Saturn and Rahu. This dasa is the 10th from AL and 12th from A6. Enemy's loss will come in this dasa. If at all the war is dragged on to after April 7, it will last longer. But, it is more likely to finish by April 7. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Attachment: (application/octet-stream) US attack on Iraq.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Bush, George W..jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Saddam Hussain.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 The afflictions to Bush's 4th/11th houses seem quite significant. Nimmi - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, March 21, 2003 12:05 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Iraq war Dear Members, The war drama has begun as feard by many "Astrologers" and "US Think Tanks". Many thought that it might be possible when Saturn would stationed in Taurus(on 22/23 Feb) while some hold that it could not before Saturn ingress in Gemini (7 April 2003) Unfortunately the chart of US, has been amongst most debatable issue, as there is not a single opinion on US chart. Some mundane astrologers take US chart with Scorpio rising, some take Gemini while some consider Cancer lagna. Last month, P.V.R. Narasimharao and Mr Ramadas Rao gave good astro analysis by using Tithi Ashtotari Dasa, on Bush and Saddam's natal chart respectively. It is also noted that this war is not between two nations, i.e. not between US and Iraqi masses but seems between Bush and Saddam. So it is more logical to take birth charts of Bush and Saddam. Bush has all planets hemmed in between Ke-Ra circle, and it is said that if any ruler has this combination (Kala-Sarpa/Kala-Amrita) his country offen involves in war like activities, when dasa of nodes operate. And currently G.W.Bush is going through Sa-Ra since September 2000. And very soon (1st week of April) Saddam’s Mars maha dasa will begin......................................? Second important factor is the time of starting war. US forces attacked on Iraq on 20 March 2003. at 05:35:00 am Baghdad (3:00 ahead of GMT). This mahurata may throw light when this war will terminate. (I am attaching all three relevent charts, i.e. Bush, Saddam and War Beggining) Regards IMRAN Sanjay Rath <vyasa (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Om Gurave NamahDear Narasimha, Iraq isn't going to be a cakewalk like you make it look..this time around they will be smarter having learnt a lesson or two from the Al Quaida chaps. The world hesitates and so is President Bush...those token strikes aren't going to dent. They need more muscle from the air...Saturn Vaayu tatva.. Read the last lines in my article..what is this war all about? What is their target..When will this be achieved if at all? These are the questions.At the feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay RathMail: 71 Vasant Apartments, Mayur Vihar Phase-1, New Delhi 110091, IndiaTel: +91-11-2713201; SJC Web pages: http://.org; Personal Web: http://srath.com - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Thursday, March 20, 2003 9:44 AM [vedic astrology] Iraq war Namaste all, Finally the Iraq war started. I have noticed in the past that wars start when Mars and Saturn conjoin or mutually aspect in Rudramsa (D-11) and mentioned this on this list a couple of years back. Right now, exalted Mars and Saturn in own sign have a tug of war in tamasik Capricorn in D-11 chart. This will end tomorrow night. When a 72-hour ultimatum was speculated in the media the other day, I was perplexed because then war would have to start after Mars and Saturn separated in D-11. But only a 48-hour ultimatum was given finally and the war started with Mars and Saturn together in D-11. > Dear Sanjayji,> Very good article and good analysis. I think the war could start around7th April when sat Mars oppose each other in Gemini-Sagitarius.> I am certain , I need not give reasons to you.> Regards,> Chandrashekhar. President Bush's natal dasamsa Moon is in Sg. I expect him to start and ! win the war before transit Saturn leaves Rahu's company in the 6th house. Instead of relying on unreliable charts like USA/Iraq formation charts, let us just look at Washington DC's annual lunar (Full Moon) chart of 2002-03 (26 April 2002, 11:00:29 pm EDT, Washington DC). Find its Narayana dasa. Li dasa with Moon during the last few weeks brought intense dipolomacy. Its end brought the war. However, I think the strikes of today were a token start of the war. The real war will start only tomorrow afternoon, after Sc dasa begins. In Sc dasa, results are given by Ta. From Ta, both 3rd and 6th houses are aspected by Mars, Saturn and Rahu. This dasa is the 10th from AL and 12th from A6. Enemy's loss will come in this dasa. If at all the war is dragged on to after April 7, it will last longer. But, it is more likely to finish by April 7. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: B lank mail to vedic-astrol! ogy-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 If the Rudramsha is considered to be the 11th-harmonic chart with whole-sign houses, the exact Rudramsha conjunction of Mars and Satrun was on March 19, 2003, about 4:30 AM Universal Time (the same as March 18, 2003, about 11:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time for Washington, DC, and the same as March 19, 2003, about 7:30 AM Baghdad Time). vedic astrology, "Sarajit Poddar" <sarajit@s...> wrote: > Jaya Jagannath > Dear Narasimha, > > Incidentally, I was discussing the same conjunction of Saturn and Mars in the Rudramsa in capricorn and the start of the war. However, thereafter I was interested in finding out the exact time of rudramsa conjunction. However, this is not possible with the current state of knowledge as we don't have longitudes in the Divisions. I thought of an idea, which might sound ridiculous. Why not find the degrees in the divisions. I have been thinking on this for past few months and I realised that the possibility still exist as Maharishis have not said anywhere that this is not possible (I have other explanations, which I shall present some other time). Then I ventured into finding the exact moment of rudramsa conjunction. I have used the following process to do that > > On any date, take 19th March. 5:30 GMT, London > The Degrees of Mars and Saturn are > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa > > Mars 15 Sg 12' 28.12" > In degrees = 15.207811deg > Rudramsa = 5.5761973. Now this can be converted to Cp 17deg 17m 9.35s > > Saturn 28 Ta 49' 02.17" > degrees= 28.8172694 deg > Rudramsa = 10.566332. Now this can be converted to Cp 16d 59m 23.87s > > Now in the rudramsa, Mars is ahead of Saturn by 17minutes. Now the current speed of Mars is .640d/day and Saturn is .122 deg/ day. Thus the relative speed of Mars wrt Saturn is 0.52deg/ day, or 31.2min/ day. Now to cover 17min in Rudramsa, Mars would have covered 17/11 min in the rasi chart, which equals to 1.5454min. Now with the current speed, Mars would have taken 1.5454/31.2 = 0.04953 days. = 1hr 11min. When we move the time by 1hr and 11min, we can expect to find the exact conjunction. > > > On 19th March. 4:19 GMT, London > Mars= 15Sg 10' 36.05" =15.17668deg=5.564782rudramsa = Cp 16d 56m > Saturn=28Ta 48' 54.09" = 28.815025deg = 10.5655 Rudramsa= Cp 16d 58m > > Now we see that they are separates by 2min. I guess this is very close conjunction. If we move the clock further backward by 8min, we might get the exact conjunction to miniutes. > > Is this time concide with any event? Doesn't it coincide with US ultimatum on Monday Night, which happens to be the seed of the war. > > Learned Jyotishis of the group. Please give it a decent thought, before rejecting it. > > Best Wishes > Sarajit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Oops, I meant to type Saturn, not Satrun. I don't want to risk having the planet of the 7th day of the week confused with the 6th nakshatra! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Dear Narasimha, I read with a great interest your message on Iraq war. I think that your theory about the conjunction of Sa/Ma in rudramsa is logic and valuable. I've checked it with the beginning of the 1st and the 2nd world war and in both cases the conjunction of Sa/Ma in D-11 has been finished before the beginning of officious hostilities: one day before 28/6/ 1914 and about one week before 1/9/1939. If your statement is right (I think so), we need to change ayanamsa. Which ayanamsa are you using? Best regards Waldemar vedic astrology, "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr@c...> wrote: > Namaste all, > > Finally the Iraq war started. > > I have noticed in the past that wars start when Mars and Saturn conjoin or mutually aspect in Rudramsa (D-11) and mentioned this on this list a couple of years back. Right now, exalted Mars and Saturn in own sign have a tug of war in tamasik Capricorn in D-11 chart. This will end tomorrow night. When a 72-hour ultimatum was speculated in the media the other day, I was perplexed because then war would have to start after Mars and Saturn separated in D-11. But only a 48- hour ultimatum was given finally and the war started with Mars and Saturn together in D-11. > > > Dear Sanjayji, > > Very good article and good analysis. I think the war could start around7th April when sat Mars oppose each other in Gemini- Sagitarius. > > I am certain , I need not give reasons to you. > > Regards, > > Chandrashekhar. > > President Bush's natal dasamsa Moon is in Sg. I expect him to start and win the war before transit Saturn leaves Rahu's company in the 6th house. > > Instead of relying on unreliable charts like USA/Iraq formation charts, let us just look at Washington DC's annual lunar (Full Moon) chart of 2002-03 (26 April 2002, 11:00:29 pm EDT, Washington DC). Find its Narayana dasa. Li dasa with Moon during the last few weeks brought intense dipolomacy. Its end brought the war. However, I think the strikes of today were a token start of the war. > > The real war will start only tomorrow afternoon, after Sc dasa begins. In Sc dasa, results are given by Ta. From Ta, both 3rd and 6th houses are aspected by Mars, Saturn and Rahu. This dasa is the 10th from AL and 12th from A6. Enemy's loss will come in this dasa. If at all the war is dragged on to after April 7, it will last longer. But, it is more likely to finish by April 7. > > May Jupiter's light shine on us, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2003 Report Share Posted March 21, 2003 Yes I know, Saddam Hussain do not has recorded time of his birth and thus many different charts of Saddam are in vogue. One with Leo lagna, another with Scorpio lagna and this one with Gemini lagna. All are rectified charts. 1)Saddam Hussain (LAGNA = 2_42 Gemini)Apr 28,1937Time: 8:14AM Zone: 3:00 DST: 0BaghdadLongitude: 43E42 Latitude: 34N36 2) Saddam Hussain (LAGNA = 9_57 Scorpio)Apr 28,1937Time: 8:45PM Zone: 3:00 DST: 0IraqLongitude: 43E32 Latitude: 34N36 3)Saddam Hussain (LAGNA = 0_35 Leo) Apr 28,1937 at 12:45PM Zone: 3:00 This chart (which one I attached) is rectified by Mr Ramadasa Rao, who himself resided in Gulf for a long time. On asking by me, Mr Rao (ref. vedic astrology) he said that he rectified Saddam's Chart by considering many factors and facts. While Prof V.K. Choudhry also said this chart is very near to true (ref. SAMVA). Saddam Hussain became president, on 16 July 1979 (Ascendant 21 degree Aquarius) Here I am attaching this chart along with national chart of Iraq. Iraq has Moon in Taurus, Sun in Gemini with Cancer ascendant. IraqJul 14,1958Time: 7:00AM Zone: 3:00 DST: 0Longitude: 44E25 Latitude: 33N21 Though there are two another charts, sometimes used for Iraq, but this one yields clearer picture. Hope this information will prove beneficial for many list members. Warm Regards IMRAN Rajesh <jrajesh11_99 > wrote: Dear Imran,According to sources on the net, the birth time of Saddam in not known. Its only approximately known to be very early morning around 3:30 to 4a.m. Can you tell from where you got the birth time and is it accurate?Thanks-Rajesh Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Iraq.jhd [not stored] Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Saddam became president.jhd [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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