An Open Question for Gaurang Das and other devotee of Krishna

March 15, 1994

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Rajeev

I beg to differ with your understanding of the Gita. Krishna teaches the

highest level of efficiency as Karma Yoga. A Karma yogi is the best

performer as not only he is doing the duty and work but is also doing it

with 'full attachment' for the Karma itself. What Krishna taught was to

be detatched from the FRUITS OF KARMA i.e. do not look at the rewards and

instead be attached to the Karma itself. The misinterpretation is that

people become detatched BOTH from the karma itself and the fruit or GET

ATTACHED to both the Karma and fruit.

Look at this SJC, this is the product of Karma Yoga and wherever we have

gone wrong or the results have been bad, we blame only to our own fault

of 'attachment to the fruit'.

Jaya Nirankaara Jaya JagadGuru:I like to worship Brihaspati not because

of the fruits but the Brihaspati Gayatri makes me a Karma Yogi, or that I

move towards Karma Yoga.

Jaya Nirankaara Jaya Sadashiva: I adore Shiva, no doubt that He is my

father, my Guru, my sarveshvara for without Him this Jyotish learning and

whatever karma I do could not have happened. I believe that there is one

another Jyotishi in America called Hart D Foe who is also like this. He

must be very good in Jyotish if he is like this.

Jaya Nirankaara Jaya Jagannatha....We Indians have the great ability of

being critical of ourselves, and only Karma Yogi's can do that. Your

statement proves my point.

With best regards,

Sanjay Rath

__________

Mail: H-5 B.J.B. Nagar, Bhubaneswar, OR 751014, India

Web:

http://srath.com SJC Web: http://.org

At 09:15 PM 15-03-03 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,

I always ask one question to all the devotees of Krishna. I keep asking

because I havent yet got a satisfactory answer.

In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform duties

without expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out duties

"efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India as Nation

that no one performs efficiently.

Had Krishna told people to do their karma "efficiently" we would have been a

different nation...

Rajeev Upadhye

March 16, 1994

Om Gurave NamahDear Rajeev,

Your brilliance and search for truth is undoubted. What you say is true for all

Manushya..all without doubt. Being Manushya, we suffer from Greed and no matter

what story we say, there is always some attachment for the fruit of the Karma.

Yes you are right. That is why Brahma advised ...DA (Datta beeja) for Daana

(giving)..by giving only can we learn or develop non-attachment. But then the

so called "Drive" to attain "material goals" has to be through Rajas and drive

is always Rajasik..hence attachment is sure to be there.

I agree with your point and its practical utility, and the fact that it is very

truthful and applicable for all human beings. lets not talk of animals..they

are definitely included. What I spoke of was the higher philosophy, perhaps too

high for mortals, and definitely beyond almost all, nay all...

Very few people can see as clearly as you do..thanks for the patience.At the

feet of Guru Pandita Kasinatha,I remain,Sanjay Rath----- Original Message

-----

Rajeev Upadhye

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:45 PM

Re: [vedic astrology] An Open Question for Gaurang Das and other devotee of Krishna

Dear Shri Rath and others,

I appreciate the efforts you are making to resolve the issue I have raised.

Kindly help me understand from purely biological perspective (we can not forget

that we are still animals) that whether there can be 'drive' to perform without

attachment to fruits or final results...

This argument is not made to make fun of Krishna's teachings. A Truth should be

a Truth independent of reference point, and beliefs.

Rajeev Upadhye

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Sanjay Rath

vedic astrology

Wednesday, March 16, 1994 8:05 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] An Open Question for Gaurang Das and other devotee of Krishna

Om Gurave NamahDear RajeevI beg to differ with your understanding of the Gita.

Krishna teaches the highest level of efficiency as Karma Yoga. A Karma yogi is

the best performer as not only he is doing the duty and work but is also doing

it with 'full attachment' for the Karma itself. What Krishna taught was to be

detatched from the FRUITS OF KARMA i.e. do not look at the rewards and instead

be attached to the Karma itself. The misinterpretation is that people become

detatched BOTH from the karma itself and the fruit or GET ATTACHED to both the

Karma and fruit.Look at this SJC, this is the product of Karma Yoga and

wherever we have gone wrong or the results have been bad, we blame only to our

own fault of 'attachment to the fruit'.Jaya Nirankaara Jaya JagadGuru:I like to

worship Brihaspati not because of the fruits but the Brihaspati Gayatri makes me

a Karma Yogi, or that I move towards Karma Yoga.Jaya Nirankaara Jaya Sadashiva:

I adore Shiva, no doubt that He is my father, my Guru, my sarveshvara for

without Him this Jyotish learning and whatever karma I do could not have

happened. I believe that there is one another Jyotishi in America called Hart D

Foe who is also like this. He must be very good in Jyotish if he is like

this.Jaya Nirankaara Jaya Jagannatha....We Indians have the great ability of

being critical of ourselves, and only Karma Yogi's can do that. Your statement

proves my point.With best regards,Sanjay

Rath__________Mail: H-5 B.J.B. Nagar,

Bhubaneswar, OR 751014, IndiaWeb: http://srath.com SJC Web:

http://.orgAt 09:15 PM 15-03-03 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,I always ask one question to all the

devotees of Krishna. I keep askingbecause I havent yet got a satisfactory

answer.In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform

dutieswithout expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out

duties"efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India as

Nationthat no one performs efficiently.Had Krishna told people to do their

karma "efficiently" we would have been adifferent nation...Rajeev Upadhye

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March 15, 2003

Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,

I always ask one question to all the devotees of Krishna. I keep asking

because I havent yet got a satisfactory answer.

In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform duties

without expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out duties

"efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India as Nation

that no one performs efficiently.

Had Krishna told people to do their karma "efficiently" we would have been a

different nation...

Rajeev Upadhye

March 15, 2003

Rajeev,

Its like you expect one to tell you " Eat through your mouth " when one asks you

you to

eat.

Rajeev Upadhye wrote:

> Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,

>

> I always ask one question to all the devotees of Krishna. I keep asking

> because I havent yet got a satisfactory answer.

>

> In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform duties

> without expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out duties

> "efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India as Nation

> that no one performs efficiently.

>

> Had Krishna told people to do their karma "efficiently" we would have been a

> different nation...

>

> Rajeev Upadhye

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

> Your use of is subject to

March 15, 2003

Dear Rajeev,

I think you are misinterpreting the Lord's saying.He said you do not have any

adhikar on the Phala of the Karma. He also advises not to make the Phala the

Hetu of one's action. Which to me means he enjoins Arjuna to carry out his

Dharma (duties) as a Raja and as a Kshatriya. By implication he tells that I(th

Lord) has adhikar over the phala of one's Karma. At least this is what I infer

from Bhagvadgita.

Chandrashekhar.

-

Rajeev Upadhye

Vedic Astrology

Cc: Gauranga Das

Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:15 PM

[vedic astrology] An Open Question for Gaurang Das and other devotee of Krishna

Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,I always ask one question to all the

devotees of Krishna. I keep askingbecause I havent yet got a satisfactory

answer.In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform

dutieswithout expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out

duties"efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India as

Nationthat no one performs efficiently.Had Krishna told people to do their

karma "efficiently" we would have been adifferent nation...Rajeev

UpadhyeArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info:

vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank

mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light

shine on us .......

March 15, 2003

well lord krishna also said to arjun that -

" you killing kauravs is destined - if you dont kill them than i will

somehow make you kill them - so if you dont kill them you will go

against your dharma - so go on - forget all relations - fight them -

and you will achieve place in me" this are just few lines from

krishna's advice to arjun before he showed arjun his original

mahakal. from this it means that karma of a person is destined - if

people do it accordingly they fulfill there dharma.

i might be wrong also.

vedic astrology, "Chandrashekhar"

<boxdel> wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

> I think you are misinterpreting the Lord's saying.He said you do

not have any adhikar on the Phala of the Karma. He also advises not

to make the Phala the Hetu of one's action. Which to me means he

enjoins Arjuna to carry out his Dharma (duties) as a Raja and as a

Kshatriya. By implication he tells that I(th Lord) has adhikar over

the phala of one's Karma. At least this is what I infer from

Bhagvadgita.

> Chandrashekhar.

> -

> Rajeev Upadhye

> Vedic Astrology

> Cc: Gauranga Das

> Saturday, March 15, 2003 9:15 PM

> [vedic astrology] An Open Question for Gaurang Das and

other devotee of Krishna

>

> Dear Gaurang and other devotee of Krishna,

>

> I always ask one question to all the devotees of Krishna. I keep

asking

> because I havent yet got a satisfactory answer.

>

> In Bhagvad Gita, Lord Krishna has advised all of us to perform

duties

> without expectation of results. He did not tell to carry out

duties

> "efficiently". I think this is exactly the root problem of India

as Nation

> that no one performs efficiently.

>

> Had Krishna told people to do their karma "efficiently" we would

have been a

> different nation...

>

> Rajeev Upadhye

>

March 15, 2003

Dear Shri Chandrashekhar,

"I think you are misinterpreting the Lord's saying.He said you do not have any

adhikar on the Phala of the Karma."

I find a strong presence of germs of communist ideaology in this

interpretation...Phala is always owned by the State!!

Rajeev Upadhye

-

Chandrashekhar

vedic astrology

Sunday, March 16, 2003 1:54 AM