Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Om Gurave Namah Om Namo Narayanaya Dear List Ramapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar statements in other texts. >To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many wives" ? Best wishes R. Kasthuri Rangan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Kasthuri, The Jyotish texts do not advocate any thing, they state the results as they are. Lagna lord in the 11th gives massive wealth and gains, and among the signs of gains, many-wives and servants was among them in the 'old days'. In the present time many cars and luxuries is a sign of gains in the western soceity whilst being surounded by prostitutes is considered adharma, hence the effects must be understood at the core before giving the effects. The Karaka of the 11th is Jupiter, and hence we must look at the Argalas on Jupiter to see how the native surrounds themselves with wealth. If Venus is giving Argala to Jupiter, the native may surround themselves with women, but this could be as inocent as a leading fashion desginer surrounded by his Models, or as low as a pimp being surrounded by his prostitutes.. This is when we look at another special Lagna to see the effects. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - rkrangan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 12:13 PM [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? Om Gurave NamahOm Namo NarayanayaDear ListRamapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar statements in other texts.>To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala.I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many wives" ?Best wishesR. Kasthuri RanganArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Dear RKR, I'm sure you know that, until 1950, Hindu polygamy in India was legal. Notwithstanding that, if you ponder the English translation of BPHS, blokes having many wives aren't referred to uncharitably, unlike those who traverse others' wives Apparently, in those times, anyone volunteering to proliferate homo sapiens was regarded good. Suspiciously similar to what rabbits believe today Warm regards, Ramapriya hubli - "rkrangan" <rkrangan <vedic astrology> Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:43 PM [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? > Om Gurave Namah > Om Namo Narayanaya > > Dear List > > Ramapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar > statements in other texts. > > To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always > have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little > thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. > > I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good > gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many > wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and > satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many > wives" ? > > Best wishes > R. Kasthuri Rangan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hello Mr. Rangan, It seems you are shocked about having "many wives" and that is in accordance with Nature as well as primitive societies. But just to inform you many wives was a dharma in the ancient Indian society. Nature doesnt recommend us monogamy. Lord Krishna himself engaged in polygamy. One noted maharashtrian sanskrit scholar, V. K. Rajwade has written a scholarly work on the history of marriage institution in Indian society ( and mind you it is not banned) where he has quoted several episodes of polygamy and even incest in Indian society. You may be shocked to note that ancient Indians engaged in even group sex around Yajna, the Holy Fire. You would be shocked to note that group sex was practiced in upper class Maharashtrian society till Peshwa regime. Please note that the dharma changes with time with new interpretations. And interpretations are made to exercise controll over the followers. Bertrand Russell ("Why I am not a Christian?) has argued that dharma has done more harm by controlling basic biological instincts of human beings ... I love to discuss this issue as common Indian are not aware of their true history... Rajeev Upadhye - rkrangan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:43 PM [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? Om Gurave NamahOm Namo NarayanayaDear ListRamapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar statements in other texts.>To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala.I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many wives" ?Best wishesR. Kasthuri RanganArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Dear R Kasturirangan, Why confuse scriptures with Jyotish which analyses what is likely to happen to a person as against how should one behave. Again the concept of ekapatnivrata got established post Ramayana. But in the example you are quoting, the import could be that the native being wealthy he might have carnal relations with more than one woman. However this is not to be taken literally unless 7th house and 12th house give such indications not to mention 5th house. It merely indicates the extent of wealth that he might have. Chandrashekhar. - rkrangan vedic astrology Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:43 PM [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? Om Gurave NamahOm Namo NarayanayaDear ListRamapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar statements in other texts.>To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala.I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many wives" ?Best wishesR. Kasthuri RanganArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......|| Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2003 Report Share Posted March 9, 2003 Hare Krishna Dear Mr.Rangan, Usually when a man is very wealthy he has access to all--nice cars (vehicles-like horses,elephants),nice houses(palaces),etc and earlier having cows ,horses,elephants,many wives, etc was a symbol of wealth and prestige...etc.. If a king or a rich man has the money and facility to properly care for multiple wives and children, that is fine.The women might have had their own palace, own servants etc..If a man is living a pious life and his descendants are raised nicely and contributing to society, yes, that is dharmic. Problem is now adays, it isnt just the kings or wealthy people..even the lowest man in society can have many "girlfreinds"(wives),create children with many women and NOT take care of any of them,or raise them with any character or principles of religiousity!!!Now that isnt dharmic!!! We need to read the classics in the context of that time. Best wishes, Lakshmi devi P.S. See all the houses etc that will be influenced by argalas from planets in 11th house.vice versa then you understand better. In vedic astrology, "Rajeev Upadhye" <yuyutsu@v...> wrote: > Hello Mr. Rangan, > > It seems you are shocked about having "many wives" and that is in accordance with Nature as well as primitive societies. But just to inform you many wives was a dharma in the ancient Indian society. Nature doesnt recommend us monogamy. Lord Krishna himself engaged in polygamy. One noted maharashtrian sanskrit scholar, V. K. Rajwade has written a scholarly work on the history of marriage institution in Indian society ( and mind you it is not banned) where he has quoted several episodes of polygamy and even incest in Indian society. You may be shocked to note that ancient Indians engaged in even group sex around Yajna, the Holy Fire. > > You would be shocked to note that group sex was practiced in upper class Maharashtrian society till Peshwa regime. > > Please note that the dharma changes with time with new interpretations. And interpretations are made to exercise controll over the followers. Bertrand Russell ("Why I am not a Christian?) has argued that dharma has done more harm by controlling basic biological instincts of human beings ... > > I love to discuss this issue as common Indian are not aware of their true history... > > > Rajeev Upadhye > > > > - > rkrangan > vedic astrology > Sunday, March 09, 2003 4:43 PM > [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? > > > Om Gurave Namah > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > Dear List > > Ramapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar > statements in other texts. > > >To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always > >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little > >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. > > I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good > gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many > wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and > satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many > wives" ? > > Best wishes > R. Kasthuri Rangan > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2003 Report Share Posted March 10, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Kasturi, Namaste. Therte are many Shastras addressing different people in different ages and circumstances. Lord Rama specifically introduced the principle of Eka-patni dharma. We see that Krishna on the other hand had 16108 wives. Of course He is Bhagavan, the Supreme enjoyer, so we need not imitate Him. But indeed especially in Dwapara yuga, it was acceptable for a Kshatriya or even for Brahmins or Vaishyas to have more than one wife. Arjuna, the perfect disciple of Sri Krishna also had at least 6 wives. However this required very high moral standards from wives and husbands alike. As for kali yuga I don't see opportunity to followi this in a dharmic way. People are unqualified. Keep in mind that the husband could accept another wife only with the permission of the first one, and the new wife became subordinate to her. Also, there was absolutely no divorce, so everyone took responsibility. However if jealusy is there in their hearts, many problems may arise. Remember the case with Dasarath Maharaja. So remainig with one wife si the safe, and sometimes it seems that even maintainig the marriage with that one becomes difficult for some people. This is because especially Westerners are much more prone to act according to the dictations of their senses and mind, disregarding duty and the laws of ethics. They just want to be happy, but for the soul there could be no permanent happiness in the material world. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - "rkrangan" <rkrangan <vedic astrology> Sunday, March 09, 2003 12:13 PM [vedic astrology] Many wives-Is this dharma? > Om Gurave Namah > Om Namo Narayanaya > > > Dear List > > Ramapriya had quoted a sloka from BPHS. I have also found similar > statements in other texts. > > >To quote #11 of Ch 26 of BPHS, if 1L in 11H, the native will always > >have gains, good qualities, fame and many wives. The only little > >thing while Mo gets to be in 11H is that it lacks digbala. > > I want to understand this better. I can agree that to have good > gains, good qualities, fame, cattle, milk etc etc is good. But "many > wives"? If the scriptures advocate eka patni concept as dharma and > satwic, how should we (read 'I') intrepret this aspect of "many > wives" ? > > Best wishes > R. Kasthuri Rangan > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2003 Report Share Posted March 11, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Rajeev, Namaste. You would be shocked to note that group sex was practiced in upper class Maharashtrian society till Peshwa regime. Please note that the dharma changes with time with new interpretations. And interpretations are made to exercise controll over the followers. Bertrand Russell ("Why I am not a Christian?) has argued that dharma has done more harm by controlling basic biological instincts of human beings ... Yes, I am shocked. Not hearing that it was practiced, but seeing that some people think it is sanctioned by dharma-sastras. Dharma does not keep changing with times, at least Para dharma - devotion to Bhagavan does not. Mundane religiosity or ethictcs may undergo some changes, but the highest principles of dharma are eternal. Sri Krishna states in the Bhagavad-geeta (7.11)- dharmmaviruddho bhuuteshu kaamo'smi bharatarshabha. He is the sex life which is not against the religious principles. What this means is quite clear: having sex within marriage, for procreation of children, according to the proper muhurtha and samskaara. The upper classes were obliged to undergo garbhadhana samskaara (I wonder how many Hindus nowadays know at all what this means) befor procreating children. If this samskaara is omitted, then the child is considered to be unwanted population (varna-sankara, refer to Bg. 1.42. where Arjuna says: By the evil deeds of those who destroy the family tradition and thus give rise to unwanted children, all kinds of community projects and family welfare activities are devastated.) So the dharma is very clear, however sometimes our vision is fogged by our desire for personal enjoyment and inability to control our mind and senses. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga (AT) brihaspati (DOT) net Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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