Guest guest Report post Posted February 6, 2003 Namaste, The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas. I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas. Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read? Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not? Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect? In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. Regards Imran Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear M, Very good inference. We can already see some traits of these clusters. Arudha Lagna with Darapada, gives Srimantah Yoga, and the native is a very enjoyable and outgoing person. If AL is with Upapada, the native is very giving and enjoys sleep. AL with A6 makes the native very serving and the native will not have many enemies. Similarly we may go on like this. Fact is that Arudhas in the same sign, will all fall under the lordship of the sign they are in. This means that if this lord is badly placed, then ALL the arudhas will fall.. If its well placed then they will rise.. hence the significance of the clusters is clearly seen here. Note that the Padas will rise and fall together, so this will definitely shape how the native rises and falls in life, and through which activities. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 12:41 AM [vedic astrology] Thoughts on Arudha Respected Gurus and Dear Members, Namaste, The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas. I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas. Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read? Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not? Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect? In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. Regards Imran Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear M, I didn't answer all your questions: We do not start Rasi Dasa's from AL, unless we are looking for something special. Study Padanavamsa Dasa. We can reckon the restults of a Rasi Dasa from AL, especially when we wanto see the material results. Also Jaiminis Upadesa and BPHs, aren't the only sources to look for results of Arudha Padas. Heres a qoute from Chandra Kaala Nadi: "vyayeshaarudage jeeve svochchaamshe punyalokavaan. svapiturbrahmalokaaptirbhratrdvayayutah sukhee." Sloka 4471. vyayesha-arudha = Arudha of the Lord of 12th. jeeve = Jupiter. svochchaamshe = own/exalted Navamsa. punyalokam = fortunate abode/heavens. Hence the first line reads: Jupiter in own/exalted Navamsa, in the Arudha of the 12th lord sends one to a fortunate abode after death. The next line: sva = own. pitur = father. brahmaloka = abode of Brahma. aapti = obtain/gain/reach. bhratri = brother. dvaya = 2. yuta = united/connected with. sukhee = happiness. Hence the 2nd line reads: Ones father will attain to Brahmaloka and have happiness from 2 brothers. The 2nd line is a continuance of the first line. There are many more of such slokas in the nadis, mentioning Arudhas, Astakavarga, various dasa's, etc, which suggests that the diversity among schools of Vedic Astrology are uncalled for, as they all emanate from the Nadis. Heres a line for the interested: "chakrasandhidashaasandhikaale dehaprapiiditah. sloka 4472½ Chakrasandhi-dashaasandhi-kaale = Sandhi refers to border, and this line seems to refer to the junctions of Kaala Chakra Dasha. deha = the body. pra-piidita = affliction/torture. The body will suffer in the junctions of the Kaala Chakra Dasa. All very interesting. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 12:41 AM [vedic astrology] Thoughts on Arudha Respected Gurus and Dear Members, Namaste, The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas. I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas. Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read? Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not? Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect? In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. Regards Imran Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. Overall, Imran, you are on the right track. Good luck with your arudha pada studies! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. Overall, Imran, you are on the right track. Good luck with your arudha pada studies! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 7, 2003 Dear Visti, Namaste. The evil nature of Jupiter's transit in the 9th from arudha lagna is not a result of my own researches, but something that Sanjay ji explicitly told me. Perhaps there is more to it. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Hare Rama Krsna > > - ------------- > > Dear Narasimha, Namaste. > I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. > > Best wishes > Visti > --- > Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org > Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org > iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Dear Visti, I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. Overall, Imran, you are on the right track. Good luck with your arudha pada studies! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to. It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Namaste all, I do have Santhanam's translation of "Deva Keralam", but I haven't checked how the great scholar has translated this verse. But this verse most certainly does not refer to Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine FROM arudha lagna. Instead, it refers to Jupiter's natal position or transit IN (not FROM, which would be "subhaarudhaat" instead of "subhaarudhe") an "auspicuous arudha" in a quadrant or trine (presumably from lagna, because no reference is mentioned). Suppose AL or A7 or A9 or A10 or another "auspicious" arudha is in a quadrant or a trine from lagna. If Jupiter occupies that it in natal chart or in a transit chart, there will be fortune. Getting back to Pt. Sanjay Rath's teachings, what Sarajit wrote below is exactly what Sanjay ji told me once (very explicitly). May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Ramadas,> That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to.> It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > Ramadas Rao > vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Visti, > > I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. > > " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, > > SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " > > meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. > > According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. > > With best regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Visti,> > Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says.> > Best Regards> Sarajit> ----- Original Message ----- > Visti Larsen > To: vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > --------> > Dear Narasimha, Namaste.> I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits.> > Best wishes> Visti Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. Overall, Imran, you are on the right track. Good luck with your arudha pada studies! May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-........ May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 8, 2003 Dear Visti, Thank you for your comments and as you said translation by many differ in their own views.BTW,I just ask you with curiosity,have you checked your both palms,under the Mount of Jupiter (exactly under index finger ) there is a vertical clear line called Dikha Rekha or the line of renunciation.If it is found in both hands that means the person has got the natural powers of fortelling the future and he lives like a Sanyasi eventhough he may be married. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to. It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Dear Sri Narasimha Rao ji, As per the book written by Sri Santhanam,the shloka says as SHUBHAARUDHE,so please check any other sources for Deva Keralam will be available and what it says. Thanks, With best regards, Ramadas Rao. "Narasimha P.V.R. Rao" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Namaste all, I do have Santhanam's translation of "Deva Keralam", but I haven't checked how the great scholar has translated this verse. But this verse most certainly does not refer to Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine FROM arudha lagna. Instead, it refers to Jupiter's natal position or transit IN (not FROM, which would be "subhaarudhaat" instead of "subhaarudhe") an "auspicuous arudha" in a quadrant or trine (presumably from lagna, because no reference is mentioned). Suppose AL or A7 or A9 or A10 or another "auspicious" arudha is in a quadrant or a trine from lagna. If Jupiter occupies that it in natal chart or in a transit chart, there will be fortune. Getting back to Pt. Sanjay Rath's teachings, what Sarajit wrote below is exactly what Sanjay ji told me once (very explicitly). May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Ramadas,> That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to.> It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > Ramadas Rao > vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Visti, > > I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. > > " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, > > SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " > > meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. > > According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. > > With best regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Visti,> > Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says.> > Best Regards> Sarajit> ----- Original Message ----- > Visti Larsen > To: vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > --------> > Dear Narasimha, Namaste.> I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits.> > Best wishes> VistiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Hi, > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > Dear Sri Narasimha Rao ji, > As per the book written by Sri Santhanam,the shloka says as SHUBHAARUDHE,so please check any other sources for Deva Keralam will be available and what it says. > Thanks, > With best regards, > Ramadas Rao. You seem to have misunderstood me. I did not say the shloka was wrong. I only suggested that the translation could be wrong. If you simply change "subhaarudhe" to "subhaaroodhaat", it does NOT fit in that line. Other changes are required. So I suppose the shloka is right. There are a two possible interpretations for the shloka: (1) An auspicious arudha (like AL, A7, A9, A10 etc) is in a quadrant from lagna. If Jupiter occupies it in natal chart or transits there, good things happen after the 24th year. (2) Suppose Jupiter is in a quadrant or a trine from lagna in the natal chart. If he occupies an auspicious arudha in the natal chart or transits there, good results happen after the 24th year. Both the interpretations are viable. But the interpretation of Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine from arudha lagna suggested here earlier is not viable at all. May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Hi, I can substantiate this to some extent as I have AL in 10th in Pisces. The transit of Jupiter through Pisces concurrent with Jupiter dasa brought a significant boost to my image in the career area. Regards, Nimmi - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 1:21 AM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Namaste all, I do have Santhanam's translation of "Deva Keralam", but I haven't checked how the great scholar has translated this verse. But this verse most certainly does not refer to Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine FROM arudha lagna. Instead, it refers to Jupiter's natal position or transit IN (not FROM, which would be "subhaarudhaat" instead of "subhaarudhe") an "auspicuous arudha" in a quadrant or trine (presumably from lagna, because no reference is mentioned). Suppose AL or A7 or A9 or A10 or another "auspicious" arudha is in a quadrant or a trine from lagna. If Jupiter occupies that it in natal chart or in a transit chart, there will be fortune. Getting back to Pt. Sanjay Rath's teachings, what Sarajit wrote below is exactly what Sanjay ji told me once (very explicitly). May Jupiter's light shine on us, Narasimha > Dear Ramadas,> That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to.> It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always.> Best wishes> Visti> ---> Sri Jagannath Center: http://.org> Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org> - > Ramadas Rao > vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH > > Dear Visti, > > I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. > > " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, > > SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " > > meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. > > According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. > > With best regards, > > Ramadas Rao. > > > > Sarajit Poddar <sarajit@s...> wrote: > > Jaya Jagannath> Dear Visti,> > Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says.> > Best Regards> Sarajit> ----- Original Message ----- > Visti Larsen > To: vedic astrology > Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha> > > Hare Rama Krsna> > --------> > Dear Narasimha, Namaste.> I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits.> > Best wishes> VistiArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Dear Narasimhaji, Visti and all. In Chandra Kala Nadi verses 1151 to 1193 defines Kroora Rashis (verse 1152-below) and gives effects of the various dasas etc for Seethala Nadiamsa (? birth in this Nadiamsa). For verses 1151 to 1160 pertaining to this discussion (scanned image from Chandra Kala Nadi) vedic astrologyC%20K%20Nadi%20page%20104.jpg kruuramasamiti praahuH puujayetkaalavittamaH . kuLiirasiaMhaaLijhashha kumbhe nakre cha puu*vavat .. 1152) Questions to Narasimhaji and Visti and others with knowledge of Sanskrit - 1) Could the verse 1158 which has "subhaarudhe" an "auspicous arudha" indicate the arudhas/arudhapada of the Saumy (Benefic) rashis i.e. rashis which are not Kroora rashis as per above sloka/s ? 2) In the above sloka which rashis are indicated as Kroora rasis by the words "kuLiirasiaMhaaLijhashha kumbhe" R. Santhanam in his translation indicates the Kroora rashis as Cancer, Leo, Scorpio, Pisces, and Aquarius. The remaining rashis - Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Virgo, Libra, Sagittarius, Capricorn must be the Saumy/Auspicious rashis. Best Wishes. Ashwin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Dear friends, Refer to following by Narasimha Ji, But this verse most certainly does not refer to Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine FROM arudha lagna. Instead, it refers to Jupiter's natal position or transit IN (not FROM, which would be "subhaarudhaat" instead of "subhaarudhe") an "auspicuous arudha" in a quadrant or trine (presumably from lagna, because no reference is mentioned) The understanding of Shri.Narasimha Ji seems to make sense.I had jupiter in 5th from Lagna AND 6th from AL ,which happens to be Arudha of Sagitarious(A9)on Jan 01,1980 and my 24th year had just begun 3 weeks earlier.That was the day I had a real big jump in my status and financial position. With regards Jagmeet Transit pos in read. Rasi +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Ket \ / || \ / \ /KETU || x Asc x Mnd || MOON / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / HL \ 1 / Glk \ || / \ / \ || Moo x Ven || \ / \ VEN / || \ GL / \ AL / || \ / \ / || \ / Jup \ /LAGNA ||TR.JUP® / \ / SUN,MER MAR,RAHU Mar x Mer ||A9 / \ / \ || / \ Rah / \ || / \ / \ || / SAT \ / Sun \ || / \ / Sat \ |+--------------+ Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): was of Venus/Venus/Moon Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 9, 2003 Dear Narasimha Rao ji, I now agree your explanation and it seems to be like that only.It may be the translator has not done his job in a good manner. Thanks for your interpretation. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. "pvr108 <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net>" <pvr (AT) charter (DOT) net> wrote: Hi,> OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH> Dear Sri Narasimha Rao ji,> As per the book written by Sri Santhanam,the shloka says as SHUBHAARUDHE,so please check any other sources for Deva Keralam will be available and what it says.> Thanks,> With best regards,> Ramadas Rao.You seem to have misunderstood me. I did not say the shloka was wrong. I only suggested that the translation could be wrong.If you simply change "subhaarudhe" to "subhaaroodhaat", it does NOT fit in that line. Other changes are required. So I suppose the shloka is right.There are a two possible interpretations for the shloka:(1) An auspicious arudha (like AL, A7, A9, A10 etc) is in a quadrant from lagna. If Jupiter occupies it in natal chart or transits there, good things happen after the 24th year.(2) Suppose Jupiter is in a quadrant or a trine from lagna in the natal chart. If he occupies an auspicious arudha in the natal chart or transits there, good results happen after the 24th year.Both the interpretations are viable. But the interpretation of Jupiter's transit in a quadrant or a trine from arudha lagna suggested here earlier is not viable at all.May Jupiter's light shine on us,NarasimhaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 10, 2003 Dear Ramadas, >BTW,I just ask you with curiosity,have you checked your both >palms,under the Mount of Jupiter (exactly under index finger ) there is a >vertical clear line called Dikha Rekha or the line of renunciation I have a triangle in the center of the palm made by the lines of liver, head and Sun, in both hands. This also indicates ability of prediction and a good intuition. I don't have this Dikha Rekha actually, there is nothing really vertical, maybe I won't be a renunciant, then? Your sishya, Dhira Krsna dasa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 11, 2003 Dear Dhira Krishna BCS, This clues are from Astro Palmistry.Now you told me about the triangle.I will give further explanation about this.When a big triangle is formed by the lines of life(Pitru Rekha ),line of Head (Matru Rekha ) and line of health (this goes from base of the palm to the mount of Mercury ),it denotes the person will be famous and he will be the master of occult and secret science.He will be influential and of keen intelligence.But this line should there in both hands to get this result. Now when a triangle is formed by the lines of head,health and fate (Vidhi Rekha ) /Sun line which is inside the big triangle mentioned above,it indicates the person possesses the natural powers of fortelling the future,a master of science in this field and performs deeds of other worldliness.Here also this line has to be in both hands to get the full results.If in the left hand only,it indicates the person has some powers of occult science from past life but if it is in right hand only then in future there is a possibility of getting this powers of occult science after making some Sadhana of his Ishta Devatha. I hope this benefits you. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Dhira Krsna BCS <Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net> wrote: Dear Ramadas,>BTW,I just ask you with curiosity,have you checked your both>palms,under the Mount of Jupiter (exactly under index finger ) there is a>vertical clear line called Dikha Rekha or the line of renunciationI have a triangle in the center of the palm made by the lines of liver,head and Sun, in both hands. This also indicates ability of prediction anda good intuition. I don't have this Dikha Rekha actually, there is nothingreally vertical, maybe I won't be a renunciant, then?Your sishya,Dhira Krsna dasaArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, No clear vertical lines yet, but i have a horizontal line very close to Mars-mount on the lower part of Jupiters Mount on my right hand, on the left there seems to be a symbol of a fish on the Jupiter mount. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:46 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, Thank you for your comments and as you said translation by many differ in their own views.BTW,I just ask you with curiosity,have you checked your both palms,under the Mount of Jupiter (exactly under index finger ) there is a vertical clear line called Dikha Rekha or the line of renunciation.If it is found in both hands that means the person has got the natural powers of fortelling the future and he lives like a Sanyasi eventhough he may be married. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to. It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. 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Guest guest Report post Posted February 12, 2003 Dear Vishti, You wrote a symbol of fish on mount of Jupiter in your left hand and this is a rare sign to have,It indicates,the person is highly fortunate,religious.Just watch this sign in your right hand and as you are young it may take some years to form this symbol.According to me you can see this symbol of fish in about your 38-39 years of age as at that time Guru dasa starts for you as per Vimshottari dasa.The sign in left hand indicates you are already having a spiritual prosperity .And when you start Guru dasa,you will get the darshana of Lord Hanuman or some Guru who may come in your dreams or in some other form.In your chart Guru is in Tula Rasi and is in Vrischika Navamsha an Occult sign.So this Guru Dasa will be very good to you in all aspects of your life which I am not going to tell you.Also Jeeva Karaka Guru is parivartana with Shukra ,so Guru is considered as if in his Moola Trikona Sthana.You are going to be a very good astrolger and also become very famous.If I am not wrong you got initiation from a Guru in your 15-16th year of age during the Drig Dasa of your Mantra Pada.Similarly Kanya Drig dasa will run between 2031 ,Nov to 2042,Nov.Kanya is in trine to your Mantra Pada and according to me during this period as it conjoins Shani dasa ( Vimshottari ) also,it will be a very good period in your spiritual life.Anyhow It will be a fantastic period for you. I dont know why I got a intution to write all these things to you. Coming to the palms,One can judge the position of Guru,if at the termination of Pitru Rekha (Life Line ),there is a sign of fish,then Guru will be either in his swakshetra or exalted in one's chart. This is for your information. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, No clear vertical lines yet, but i have a horizontal line very close to Mars-mount on the lower part of Jupiters Mount on my right hand, on the left there seems to be a symbol of a fish on the Jupiter mount. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Sunday, February 09, 2003 7:46 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, Thank you for your comments and as you said translation by many differ in their own views.BTW,I just ask you with curiosity,have you checked your both palms,under the Mount of Jupiter (exactly under index finger ) there is a vertical clear line called Dikha Rekha or the line of renunciation.If it is found in both hands that means the person has got the natural powers of fortelling the future and he lives like a Sanyasi eventhough he may be married. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Visti Larsen <vishnu (AT) lbq (DOT) dk> wrote: Hare Rama Krsna Dear Ramadas, That is exactly the sloka i'm referring to. It repeats itself in various other forms as well, however the translator hasn't done the best job always. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Ramadas Rao vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:53 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha OM KLEEM KRISHNAAYA NAMAH Dear Visti, I think you are quoting the shloka from Vol.1,Page 104,Shloka No.1158. " CHATURVIMSHAATPARAM BHAGYAM SWAPRAABALYAM BHAVEDBHAVAM, SHUBHAARUDHE TATRA CHAARE JIVE KENDRATRIKONAGE " meaning after 24th year of life,the native will attain prosperity through his own valour,provided a benefic planet occupies the Lagna Arudha and when Guru transits to the kendra or trikona from that sign of Arudha. According to me these 3 volumes of Deva Keralam are really giving some rare techniques in prediction.I am searching for such other Nadi literatures. With best regards, Ramadas Rao. Sarajit Poddar <sarajit (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: Jaya Jagannath Dear Visti, Jupiter's transit on the Kendra to the AL, does so and not the trines. This is what Gurudev says. Best RegardsSarajit - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Saturday, February 08, 2003 1:54 AM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Hare Rama Krsna Dear Narasimha, Namaste. I cannot agree with your point (5) as Jupiters transit is frequently enunciated in Nadi's to give enourmous material benefits when transitig the trines to Arudha Lagna. Especially if Jupiter is joined or trines to Arudha Lagna at birth, then in the 24th year the native will have massive benefits. Best wishesVisti---Sri Jagannath Center: http://.orgBhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgiTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org - Narasimha P.V.R. Rao vedic astrology Friday, February 07, 2003 6:23 PM [vedic astrology] Re: Thoughts on Arudha Dear Imran, > Respected Gurus and Dear Members,> > Namaste,> > The concept of Arudha of different houses beautifully eloborates the difference between reality(Satya) and perception(Maya). Sage Jaimini has described some golden rules how to treat and tackle these Arudha-Pada. AL (Arudh lagna) and A12(Upapada) hold specific posiotion among heirarchy of arudhas.> > I am not much aware, how to read these arudhas collectively, thus require guidance regarding association, aspect, dasa and vorgottama of Arudhas.> > Some time, a cluster of Padas is seen in a chart. For example in case of Tagore, where AL, UL, A5 and A7 fall in Scorpio (9th from lagna). How can these shoud be read?> > Similarly conjunction of A9 and A10 (H.P.Blavatsky) is to be assumed as "mirror image" of conjunction of 9th and 10th lords, Karama-Dharama Yoga. This holds any sence or not?> > Similarly different Arudhas either consider with respect of lagna position or only read from position of AL? e.g. in chart of Dalai Lama, where A9 (with A2) fall in 9th from AL and 12th from lagna. > > Either these Arudhas can comes under association(sambndha) with the help of rashi aspect?> > In case Rashi dasa, either AL can be taken instead of lagan? or its not logical? Because sometimes transit from AL, yields satisfactory results at a certain level. > > Regards> > Imran You are on the right track and Visti has nicely addressed the points in your wonderful mail. I will add a couple of points. (1) Arudhas are the _tangible_ things rising from the activity/things shown by the houses. My communication skills are not a "tangible thing", but this mail is a tangible thing that rises out of my communication skills. Accordingly, the 3rd house shows my communication skills (intangible) and A3 shows this mail (tangible). Even though we dismiss arudhas as "maya" (illusion), they are the only tangible things - the only reality - in this material world! They are very important. (2) If somebody has AL and A9 (or A10 and A9 etc) together in D-10, be sure that the Narayana dasa of the sign containing them will be great. (3) Houses from arudha lagna can certainly be seen. However, note that the rules of the world of satya (truth) are different from the rules of the world of maya (illusion). For example, the 7th house from lagna shows one's interactions. It is the intermediate house in kama trikona. The seed house of kama trikona (3rd) shows the initiative (seed of desire) and the intermediate house (7th) shows interactions etc (shaping of desire and working on the desire) and the culmination house (11th) shows the final gains (result of desire). Similarly, the 9th house shows dharma - it is culmination point of dharma trikona. While the seed house of lagna shows the self (seed of duty) and the intermediate house of 5th shows abilities etc (shaping of duty), the culmination house of 9th shows the final dharma (the overall duty). The same concepts, same trikonas etc apply in the world of maya, but the meanings are different. In the world of truth, shaping of desire and working on the desires happens through interactions and finally leads to gains (11th), which can be friendships too. But the world of maya is a world of selfishness and domination. In the world of maya, shaping of desire and working on the desire happens only thru domination and the results are only material gains. So the 7th from arudha lagna shows the opposition to one's image and domination. The 9th from lagna shows the dharma - which can include religiousness, righteousness etc. But the image has only one dharma (duty) - protect itself. So the 9th from arudha lagna is strictly about protecting the status and image. The basic axioms of what a house means (based on which trikona it belongs to and whether it is the seed house, intermediate house or the culmination house of that trikona) is constant for all references. But building the meaning further based on the axioms requires an understanding of the two worlds - world of satya and world of maya. I spoke on this at the recent "Achyuta Jyotish Workshop" and the CD will be available for buying online in a day or two at most. (4) Not only can you use arudha lagna in Narayana dasa interpretation, but there is a variation of Narayana dasa that is computed from arudha lagna. Padanadamsa dasa shows the changing impact of one's poorvapunya (past dharma and the resulting luck) on one's material status/image. Read the book "Narayana Dasa" by Pt. Sanjay Rath. (5) Not only can you use arudha lagna in dasa interpretation, but you can use it in transit interpretation too! In addition to transits from natal lagna and natal Moon, look at transits from natal arudha lagna! However, again, different rules may apply in the case of arudha lagna. When Jupiter transits the 9th house of dharma from Moon or lagna, he gives very good results. After Jupiter loves dharma. However, when he transits the 9th house from arudha lagna, the wise teacher of gods will not be excited to uphold the rules of the world of maya and protect the illusion. He sees it as a shallow dharma (duty). Instead of protecting, he will destroy it! So there will be material setbacks and the illusion is broken. However, if Jupiter has a role to play in the 9th from arudha lagna in natal chart also, the negative results may be mitigated. Bottomline is: arudha lagna and lagna show two totally different worlds with their own rules of existence. Unless one understands and appreciates this, one cannot master the use of arudha lagna. Try to give it some thought. 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