Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 Namaste, Few weeks ago, a comperherehensive debate on retrogression was found on this forum in which lot of varied concpet of retrogression results come into light. Retregression is an astronomical phenomena among one of the eight kind of planetary motion as stated by "Surya Siddhanata". Many of the old astrological treatise holds that a vikri graha attains additional strength so it should treat among strong planets. Spcially shubha graha yields beneficial results provided they are retrograde. Another specific point of consideration is the aspects casted by a retrograde planet, it is believed that a retrograte planet cast its aspects reverse like nodes. If we accecpt this theory then we should treat the aspects of Mars and Saturn in different prospective and will have to include all five grahas if a complete set(100%, 75%, 50%, 25% drishti) is required. For example if Saturn is retrograte in 4th house then 2nd and 7th houses will be considered under full aspect of Saturn (which may cause delay in marriage or etc). Similarly if Mars is retrograte is in 1st house then its full aspect is on 10th and 6th (beside 7th house) instead of 4th and 8th house. A more logical illustration of retrograte grahas is assumed about the placement of planets in different houses. A retrograde planet has a desire to move prior house so it will definetely give the impact of house behind the current occurance. For example if Jupiter is retrograde in 3rd house then it should yield the results of 2nd house, (i.e. wealth, sweet speech, good early education, etc) due to its conditional nature of "tends to prior house". But during chart analysis, more quries arise. e.g. a retrogate planet if occur in its own sign, in inmical sign, in its debilitation sign or its exaltation sign. Rationally retrogression of Venus in Libra, Virgo and Pisces can not be identical at all. Some classical work says that a graha in neech rashi if retrograd is assume like uccha, and a graha in uccha rashi if retrograde is consider neech. Hence if Jupiter retrogrades in Cancer then it is not beneficial as it should be, but retrogression in Capricorn yields good results like Jupiter in Cancer. But what should be results if a graha retrogades in own or fall sign? Is retrogression of Mars in Aris is equals to retrogression in Libra? Another feature is to consider the placement with respect to benefic and malefic nature of planets itself. It is some time believe that a natural melefic in bad houses (6,8,12) is good provided it is retrograde. Similarly a retrograde natural benefic in good houses (trikona and kendra) is beneficial. But this notion contravenes with above mentioned theory of "tends to prior house". The deep rooted karm leads to Retrogression in natal chart wether good or bad. I am looking for reponse of learned list members regarding retrogrssion of grahas with respect to houses and signs. Regards M.Imran News - Today's headlines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2003 Report Share Posted January 17, 2003 Dear Muhammad, I think we should view retrograde planet and its house/Rasi placement on different planes.Retrograde planet has the capacity to give results as if exalted, it is said.Having ascertained its strength the results it would yield would depend on his placement in different Rasis/houses. I think what what I mean to convey would be clear if you observe the results of Exalted Jupiter in 5th house. Chandrashekhar. - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:52 PM [vedic astrology] Retrogression in own, exaltation and debilitation sign Dear List, Namaste, Few weeks ago, a comperherehensive debate on retrogression was found on this forum in which lot of varied concpet of retrogression results come into light. Retregression is an astronomical phenomena among one of the eight kind of planetary motion as stated by "Surya Siddhanata". Many of the old astrological treatise holds that a vikri graha attains additional strength so it should treat among strong planets. Spcially shubha graha yields beneficial results provided they are retrograde. Another specific point of consideration is the aspects casted by a retrograde planet, it is believed that a retrograte planet cast its aspects reverse like nodes. If we accecpt this theory then we should treat the aspects of Mars and Saturn in different prospective and will have to include all five grahas if a complete set(100%, 75%, 50%, 25% drishti) is required. For example if Saturn is retrograte in 4th house then 2nd and 7th houses will be considered under full aspect of Saturn (which may cause delay in marriage or etc). Similarly if Mars is retrograte is in 1st house then its full aspect is on 10th and 6th (beside 7th house) instead of 4th and 8th house. A more logical illustration of retrograte grahas is assumed about the placement of planets in different houses. A retrograde planet has a desire to move prior house so it will definetely give the impact of house behind the current occurance. For example if Jupiter is retrograde in 3rd house then it should yield the results of 2nd house, (i.e. wealth, sweet speech, good early education, etc) due to its conditional nature of "tends to prior house". But during chart analysis, more quries arise. e.g. a retrogate planet if occur in its own sign, in inmical sign, in its debilitation sign or its exaltation sign. Rationally retrogression of Venus in Libra, Virgo and Pisces can not be identical at all. Some classical work says that a graha in neech rashi if retrograd is assume like uccha, and a graha in uccha rashi if retrograde is consider neech. Hence if Jupiter retrogrades in Cancer then it is not beneficial as it should be, but retrogression in Capricorn yields good results like Jupiter in Cancer. But what should be results if a graha retrogades in own or fall sign? Is retrogression of Mars in Aris is equals to retrogression in Libra? Another feature is to consider the placement with respect to benefic and malefic nature of planets itself. It is some time believe that a natural melefic in bad houses (6,8,12) is good provided it is retrograde. Similarly a retrograde natural benefic in good houses (trikona and kendra) is beneficial. But this notion contravenes with above mentioned theory of "tends to prior house". The deep rooted karm leads to Retrogression in natal chart wether good or bad. I am looking for reponse of learned list members regarding retrogrssion of grahas with respect to houses and signs. Regards M.Imran News - Today's headlines Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Regards Imran. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Muhammad, I think we should view retrograde planet and its house/Rasi placement on different planes.Retrograde planet has the capacity to give results as if exalted, it is said.Having ascertained its strength the results it would yield would depend on his placement in different Rasis/houses. I think what what I mean to convey would be clear if you observe the results of Exalted Jupiter in 5th house. Chandrashekhar. - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:52 PM [vedic astrology] Retrogression in own, exaltation and debilitation sign Dear List, Namaste, Few weeks ago, a comperherehensive debate on retrogression was found on this forum in which lot of varied concpet of retrogression results come into light. Retregression is an astronomical phenomena among one of the eight kind of planetary motion as stated by "Surya Siddhanata". Many of the old astrological treatise holds that a vikri graha attains additional strength so it should treat among strong planets. Spcially shubha graha yields beneficial results provided they are retrograde. Another specific point of consideration is the aspects casted by a retrograde planet, it is believed that a retrograte planet cast its aspects reverse like nodes. If we accecpt this theory then we should treat the aspects of Mars and Saturn in different prospective and will have to include all five grahas if a complete set(100%, 75%, 50%, 25% drishti) is required. For example if Saturn is retrograte in 4th house then 2nd and 7th houses will be considered under full aspect of Saturn (which may cause delay in marriage or etc). Similarly if Mars is retrograte is in 1st house then its full aspect is on 10th and 6th (beside 7th house) instead of 4th and 8th house. A more logical illustration of retrograte grahas is assumed about the placement of planets in different houses. A retrograde planet has a desire to move prior house so it will definetely give the impact of house behind the current occurance. For example if Jupiter is retrograde in 3rd house then it should yield the results of 2nd house, (i.e. wealth, sweet speech, good early education, etc) due to its conditional nature of "tends to prior house". But during chart analysis, more quries arise. e.g. a retrogate planet if occur in its own sign, in inmical sign, in its debilitation sign or its exaltation sign. Rationally retrogression of Venus in Libra, Virgo and Pisces can not be identical at all. Some classical work says that a graha in neech rashi if retrograd is assume like uccha, and a graha in uccha rashi if retrograde is consider neech. Hence if Jupiter retrogrades in Cancer then it is not beneficial as it should be, but retrogression in Capricorn yields good results like Jupiter in Cancer. But what should be results if a graha retrogades in own or fall sign? Is retrogression of Mars in Aris is equals to retrogression in Libra? Another feature is to consider the placement with respect to benefic and malefic nature of planets itself. It is some time believe that a natural melefic in bad houses (6,8,12) is good provided it is retrograde. Similarly a retrograde natural benefic in good houses (trikona and kendra) is beneficial. But this notion contravenes with above mentioned theory of "tends to prior house". The deep rooted karm leads to Retrogression in natal chart wether good or bad. I am looking for reponse of learned list members regarding retrogrssion of grahas with respect to houses and signs. Regards M.Imran News - Today's headlines Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do you ? Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2003 Report Share Posted January 18, 2003 Dear Muhammad, To a beginner in astrology , like me Retrograde Exalted Jupiter would be as strong as Direct Jupiter in exaltation sign. What is said is that Retrograde planet gives results"as If in exaltation". Knowledgeable astrologers may like to comment. Chandrashekhar. - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Saturday, January 18, 2003 8:28 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Retrogression in own, exaltation and debilitation sign Dear Chandrashekhar and list, Its mean a retrograde graha does not change its capacity to yield phala but nature only? and the expected result would be according to good or bad placement in house/rashi !!! Now I take the example you have alluded, let an exalted Jupiter is in fifth house, at this occasion wether a retrograde Jupiter is strong or direct Jupiter? And what about Jupiter in Capricorn if retrograde. In practice a "retrograde Venus in Pisces" is equals to "direct Venus in Pisces", provided in same house? Waiting for the response. Regards Imran. Chandrashekhar <boxdel (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Muhammad, I think we should view retrograde planet and its house/Rasi placement on different planes.Retrograde planet has the capacity to give results as if exalted, it is said.Having ascertained its strength the results it would yield would depend on his placement in different Rasis/houses. I think what what I mean to convey would be clear if you observe the results of Exalted Jupiter in 5th house. Chandrashekhar. - Muhammad Imran vedic astrology Friday, January 17, 2003 12:52 PM [vedic astrology] Retrogression in own, exaltation and debilitation sign Dear List, Namaste, Few weeks ago, a comperherehensive debate on retrogression was found on this forum in which lot of varied concpet of retrogression results come into light. Retregression is an astronomical phenomena among one of the eight kind of planetary motion as stated by "Surya Siddhanata". Many of the old astrological treatise holds that a vikri graha attains additional strength so it should treat among strong planets. Spcially shubha graha yields beneficial results provided they are retrograde. Another specific point of consideration is the aspects casted by a retrograde planet, it is believed that a retrograte planet cast its aspects reverse like nodes. If we accecpt this theory then we should treat the aspects of Mars and Saturn in different prospective and will have to include all five grahas if a complete set(100%, 75%, 50%, 25% drishti) is required. For example if Saturn is retrograte in 4th house then 2nd and 7th houses will be considered under full aspect of Saturn (which may cause delay in marriage or etc). Similarly if Mars is retrograte is in 1st house then its full aspect is on 10th and 6th (beside 7th house) instead of 4th and 8th house. A more logical illustration of retrograte grahas is assumed about the placement of planets in different houses. A retrograde planet has a desire to move prior house so it will definetely give the impact of house behind the current occurance. For example if Jupiter is retrograde in 3rd house then it should yield the results of 2nd house, (i.e. wealth, sweet speech, good early education, etc) due to its conditional nature of "tends to prior house". But during chart analysis, more quries arise. e.g. a retrogate planet if occur in its own sign, in inmical sign, in its debilitation sign or its exaltation sign. Rationally retrogression of Venus in Libra, Virgo and Pisces can not be identical at all. Some classical work says that a graha in neech rashi if retrograd is assume like uccha, and a graha in uccha rashi if retrograde is consider neech. Hence if Jupiter retrogrades in Cancer then it is not beneficial as it should be, but retrogression in Capricorn yields good results like Jupiter in Cancer. But what should be results if a graha retrogades in own or fall sign? Is retrogression of Mars in Aris is equals to retrogression in Libra? Another feature is to consider the placement with respect to benefic and malefic nature of planets itself. It is some time believe that a natural melefic in bad houses (6,8,12) is good provided it is retrograde. Similarly a retrograde natural benefic in good houses (trikona and kendra) is beneficial. But this notion contravenes with above mentioned theory of "tends to prior house". The deep rooted karm leads to Retrogression in natal chart wether good or bad. I am looking for reponse of learned list members regarding retrogrssion of grahas with respect to houses and signs. 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