Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs. Functional Benefic confusion

January 15, 2003

Dear all,

Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that particular

chart?

Thanks for enlightening me.

Namaste.

Rageshwari.

January 15, 2003

Natural

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Parasara Hora Shastra:

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Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

[vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs. Functional Benefic confusion

Dear all,Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:In Brihat

Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general reference to benefics and

malefics, should we consider natural benefics/malefics or functional

benefics/malefics for that particular chart?Thanks for enlightening

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January 15, 2003

Dear Vistiji,

Thank you!

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> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

Benefic vs. Functional Benefic confusion

>

> Dear all,

>

> Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

>

> In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that

particular

> chart?

>

> Thanks for enlightening me.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

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January 15, 2003

Dear Visti,

I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.

Could you, therfore, kindly explain why every text in my collection, except

BRHS, refers to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to confound

us or is there a use for this concept?

Love,

Gili

you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

>"Visti Larsen" <vishnu

>vedic astrology

><vedic astrology>

>Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

>Functional Benefic confusion

>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100

>

>Natural

>Best wishes

>Visti

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>Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

>Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

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> rageshwari75 <rageshwari75

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

>Functional Benefic confusion

>

> Dear all,

>

> Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

>

> In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that particular

> chart?

>

> Thanks for enlightening me.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

>

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January 15, 2003

Giliji,

Great question. I would also like to know the answer to this one.

Also have anyone experienced using functional benefics instead of

natural benefics in predictions to be giving more accurate results?

Namaste.

Rageshwari.

vedic astrology, "Gili Alvey" <gilimary@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Visti,

> I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.

> Could you, therfore, kindly explain why every text in my

collection, except

> BRHS, refers to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to

confound

> us or is there a use for this concept?

> Love,

> Gili

>

> you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

>

> >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> >vedic astrology

> ><vedic astrology>

> >Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

Benefic vs.

> >Functional Benefic confusion

> >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100

> >

> >Natural

> >Best wishes

> >Visti

> >---

> >Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> >vedic astrologybphs.zip

> >iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > -

> > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75>

> > vedic astrology

> > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> > [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

Benefic vs.

> >Functional Benefic confusion

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

> >

> > In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> > reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> > benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that

particular

> > chart?

> >

> > Thanks for enlightening me.

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Rageshwari.

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Dear Rageshwari,

Thank you.

It seems such a basic question but to me it seems crutial to the

understanding of everything else.

Love,

Gili

you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

>"rageshwari75 <rageshwari75" <rageshwari75

>vedic astrology

>[vedic astrology] Re: Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

>Functional Benefic confusion

>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:14:21 -0000

>

>Giliji,

>

>Great question. I would also like to know the answer to this one.

>Also have anyone experienced using functional benefics instead of

>natural benefics in predictions to be giving more accurate results?

>

>Namaste.

>

>Rageshwari.

>

>vedic astrology, "Gili Alvey" <gilimary@h...>

>wrote:

> > Dear Visti,

> > I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.

> > Could you, therfore, kindly explain why every text in my

>collection, except

> > BRHS, refers to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to

>confound

> > us or is there a use for this concept?

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

> >

> > >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> > >vedic astrology

> > ><vedic astrology>

> > >Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

>Benefic vs.

> > >Functional Benefic confusion

> > >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100

> > >

> > >Natural

> > >Best wishes

> > >Visti

> > >---

> > >Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > >vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > >iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

>ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

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> > > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

>Benefic vs.

> > >Functional Benefic confusion

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

> > >

> > > In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> > > reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> > > benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that

>particular

> > > chart?

> > >

> > > Thanks for enlightening me.

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Rageshwari.

> > >

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January 15, 2003

Dear All,

Forgive me. I am still wrestling with this matter of malefic/benefic,

functional/natural. Is there someone who could tell me if I am on the right

track in looking at the jiva and sharira of planets to see how the planets

function in a chart. From some notes that I made some time ago after

reading an astrological magazine (no reference, I’m sorry) I discovered

that a planet behaves according to its jiva and sharira. Jiva nature is

according to the lord of the nakshatra that the planet is in and sharira

(action) is implied by the lord of the nakshatra the jiva planet is in.

I compared my own and my daughter’s charts for Saturn and Sun .

In my chart Saturn is in Mrigashira, Lord = Mars. Mars is also in

Mrigashira (and in Taurus so not in own house) so for me Saturn’s jiva and

sharira have the qualities of Mars

For my daughter Saturn is in Hastha, Lord = Moon. Moon is in Krittika, Lord

= Sun. So Saturn for her has jiva of Moon and Sharira of Sun.

In my chart Sun is in Satabhishan, Lord = Rahu. Rahu is in Pushyami, Lord =

Mars. So for me Sun has the jiva of Rahu and action of Mars.

In my daughter’s chart Sun is in U. Phalguni. Lord = Sun. Sun is not in

it’s own house so Sun for her has jiva and sharira of sun itself.

It seems fair to assume that these differences affect how a planet behaves

in a particular horoscope and to some extent indicates why a planet may have

a scale of beneficial/malefic tendencies.

I would be grateful if someone more knowledgeable than I could explain this

further or let me know if I am completely off track.

Love,

Gili

>"Visti Larsen" <vishnu

>vedic astrology

><vedic astrology>

>Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

>Functional Benefic confusion

>Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100

>

>Natural

>Best wishes

>Visti

>---

>Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

>Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

>vedic astrologybphs.zip

>iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> rageshwari75 <rageshwari75

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

>Functional Benefic confusion

>

> Dear all,

>

> Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

>

> In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that particular

> chart?

>

> Thanks for enlightening me.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

>

> Sponsor

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January 16, 2003

Hare Rama Krishna

Dear Gili and Rageshwari,´

No classic texts, including BPHS, use the term "Functional Malefic/Benefic".

The term Functional benefic/malefic came up when trying to classify the results

of planetary lordships, however where this classification fails, is when we

have to classify the results of each lordship, as these vary greatly, and do

not always hold true, depending on position.

There is no real confusion, until you start asking the questions that you just did.

If a benefic is lord of a Dusthana, thou it carries evil with it, the evil will

be taken lightly due to the benefic effect.

Similarly if someone recieves Raja Yoga due to a Malefic, these Rajas will come

through fights(mars) dethrownment (saturn), deception (rahu), etc.

So both lordship and nature are relevant. But naturally you will be confused if

you use the term "functional malefic/benefic" in this context.

Best wishesVisti---Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.orgBrihat

Parasara Hora Shastra:

vedic astrologybphs.zipiTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

-

">rageshwari75 <rageshwari75 >

vedic astrology

Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:14 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

Functional Benefic confusion

Giliji,Great question. I would also like to know the answer to this one. Also

have anyone experienced using functional benefics instead of natural benefics

in predictions to be giving more accurate results?Namaste.Rageshwari.--- In

vedic astrology, "Gili Alvey" <gilimary@h...> wrote:> Dear

Visti,> I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.> Could you,

therfore, kindly explain why every text in my collection, except > BRHS, refers

to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to confound > us or is there a

use for this concept?> Love,> Gili> > > > you can't transcend what you haven't

experienced> > > > > > >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>> >

vedic astrology> ><vedic astrology>>

>Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs. >

>Functional Benefic confusion> >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100> >>

>Natural> >Best wishes> >Visti> >---> >Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: >

>vedic astrologybphs.zip> >iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> > ----- Original

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vedic astrology> > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34

PM> > [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

> >Functional Benefic confusion> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Once again I need

help from all the Gurujis on this list:> >> > In Brihat Parashara Hora

Shastra, every time there is a general> > reference to benefics and malefics,

should we consider natural> > benefics/malefics or functional

benefics/malefics for that particular> > chart?> >> > Thanks for

enlightening me.> >> > Namaste.> >> > Rageshwari.> >> >> >

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January 16, 2003

At last it makes sense!

It was just a semantic problem then

Thank you.

Gili

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>"Visti Larsen" <vishnu

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><vedic astrology>

>Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic

>vs. Functional Benefic confusion

>Thu, 16 Jan 2003 13:11:03 +0100

>

>Hare Rama Krishna

>

>-\

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>

>Dear Gili and Rageshwari,´

>No classic texts, including BPHS, use the term "Functional

>Malefic/Benefic".

>The term Functional benefic/malefic came up when trying to classify the

>results of planetary lordships, however where this classification fails, is

>when we have to classify the results of each lordship, as these vary

>greatly, and do not always hold true, depending on position.

>

>There is no real confusion, until you start asking the questions that you

>just did.

>

>If a benefic is lord of a Dusthana, thou it carries evil with it, the evil

>will be taken lightly due to the benefic effect.

>

>Similarly if someone recieves Raja Yoga due to a Malefic, these Rajas will

>come through fights(mars) dethrownment (saturn), deception (rahu), etc.

>

>So both lordship and nature are relevant. But naturally you will be

>confused if you use the term "functional malefic/benefic" in this context.

>

>Best wishes

>Visti

>---

>Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

>Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

>vedic astrologybphs.zip

>iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> -

> rageshwari75 <rageshwari75

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:14 PM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic

>vs. Functional Benefic confusion

>

> Giliji,

>

> Great question. I would also like to know the answer to this one.

> Also have anyone experienced using functional benefics instead of

> natural benefics in predictions to be giving more accurate results?

>

> Namaste.

>

> Rageshwari.

>

> vedic astrology, "Gili Alvey" <gilimary@h...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Visti,

> > I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.

> > Could you, therfore, kindly explain why every text in my

> collection, except

> > BRHS, refers to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to

> confound

> > us or is there a use for this concept?

> > Love,

> > Gili

> >

> > you can't transcend what you haven't experienced

> >

> > >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>

> > >vedic astrology

> > ><vedic astrology>

> > >Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

> Benefic vs.

> > >Functional Benefic confusion

> > >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100

> > >

> > >Natural

> > >Best wishes

> > >Visti

> > >---

> > >Bhagavad Purana: http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org

> > >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra:

> > >vedic astrologybphs.zip

> > >iTRANS 99 Font: http://www.omkarananda-

> ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html

> > > -

> > > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75>

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34 PM

> > > [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural

> Benefic vs.

> > >Functional Benefic confusion

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > Once again I need help from all the Gurujis on this list:

> > >

> > > In Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, every time there is a general

> > > reference to benefics and malefics, should we consider natural

> > > benefics/malefics or functional benefics/malefics for that

> particular

> > > chart?

> > >

> > > Thanks for enlightening me.

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Rageshwari.

> > >

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Dear Rageshwari and Gili,

If I may intervene,functional malefics of benefics are to be taken into account

to find out the extent to which natural benefics/malefics can give effect to

the yogas caused by them.

Chandrashekhar.

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vedic astrology

Thursday, January 16, 2003 3:44 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

Functional Benefic confusion

Giliji,Great question. I would also like to know the answer to this one. Also

have anyone experienced using functional benefics instead of natural benefics

in predictions to be giving more accurate results?Namaste.Rageshwari.--- In

vedic astrology, "Gili Alvey" <gilimary@h...> wrote:> Dear

Visti,> I truly respect your knowledge wisdom and confidence.> Could you,

therfore, kindly explain why every text in my collection, except > BRHS, refers

to functional benefics/malefics. Are they trying to confound > us or is there a

use for this concept?> Love,> Gili> > > > you can't transcend what you haven't

experienced> > > > > > >"Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...>> >

vedic astrology> ><vedic astrology>>

>Re: [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs. >

>Functional Benefic confusion> >Wed, 15 Jan 2003 22:54:05 +0100> >>

>Natural> >Best wishes> >Visti> >---> >Bhagavad Purana:

http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org> >Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra: >

>vedic astrologybphs.zip> >iTRANS 99 Font:

http://www.omkarananda-ashram.org/Sanskrit/Itranslt.html> > ----- Original

Message -----> > rageshwari75 <rageshwari75>> > To:

vedic astrology> > Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:34

PM> > [vedic astrology] Parashara Hora Shastra: Natural Benefic vs.

> >Functional Benefic confusion> >> >> > Dear all,> >> > Once again I need

help from all the Gurujis on this list:> >> > In Brihat Parashara Hora

Shastra, every time there is a general> > reference to benefics and malefics,

should we consider natural> > benefics/malefics or functional

benefics/malefics for that particular> > chart?> >> > Thanks for

enlightening me.> >> > Namaste.> >> > Rageshwari.> >> >> >

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January 17, 2003

JAYA JAGANNATHA!

Dear Gilli,

Namaste.

The concept of Jeeva and Shareera is based on the Krishnamoorty paddhati,

and not Parashara's teachings. While certain astrologers find a very good

use of it and thus I wouldn't denyiits usefulness, I myself have doubts in

its universal applicability.

If you study Parasara's teachings o the Naksatra/based dasas (Vimsottari,

Astottari, shodasottari etc.) then you will see that in each and every dasa

system another set of planets is assigned to the 27 nakshatras. From this I

assume that the graha in question is not actually the lord of the nakshatra,

but the lord of the mahadasa of a person whose Moon was situated in the

given nakshatra at birth. And this mahadasha lord will vary if you apply

Vimsottari, Astottari or other conditional dashas. So I can't unearth the

link here between the Vimsottari dasa system and the mahadasa lords

influencing the planets situated in the different nakshatras. Maybe some

justification can be presented based on Sarvatobhadra cakra or some other

technique but I have not come across it so far so I choose to refrain from

using nakshatra lords, sublords, sub-sublords etc.

On the other hand, the system of functional benefics is described in great

detail in chapter 36 of BPHS (yogakaarakaadhyaaya) even if the expression

functional is not there in the Sanskrit. The bottom line is that a planet

which is a lord of a kendra and a trine for a certain lagna, usually becomes

a yoga karaka. So even naturally benefic planets can become kroora towards a

certain ascendant if they are lords of duhsthanas. Please read this chapter

carefully and examine why the different planets are considered benefic or

malefic for a certain lagna based on their lordship.

Yours,

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

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Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:20 AM

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