Guest guest Posted January 15, 2003 Report Share Posted January 15, 2003 Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers' understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps: 1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies the Atma throughout the repeated births. 2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth? 3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births, or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it occurs? 4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa? Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at clarification, Sundeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Sundeep, Namaste. I'm planning to prepare a paer on this for the March issue of Jyotish Digest which will be centered around Navamsha. As far as Karakamsha and Swamsha is concerned, I'm sure that the learned Gurus will give details on it. So I'd like to give some preliminaries of the Atmakaraka and Charakarakas from BPHS to assist the topics on Navamsha. Please be sure to get that copy of Jyotish Digest. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 - <vedicastrostudent <vedic astrology> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:30 PM [vedic astrology] Deeper questions on AK - Robert, Visti, PVR, Gauranga, others > Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture > of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka > thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a > lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers' > understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps: > > 1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not > looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but > a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma > is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections > or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a > witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the > karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is > the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet > identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be > attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the > Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity > that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the > mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies > the Atma throughout the repeated births. > 2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you > make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to > regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are > telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own > objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than > one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular > life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a > contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a > chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth? > 3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births, > or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural > progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic > AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it > occurs? > 4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current > Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa? > > Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at > clarification, > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2003 Report Share Posted January 16, 2003 JAYA JAGANNATHA! Dear Jyotisha, a few thought-provoking ideas: - <vedicastrostudent <vedic astrology> Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:30 PM [vedic astrology] Deeper questions on AK - Robert, Visti, PVR, Gauranga, others > Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture > of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka > thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a > lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers' > understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps: > > 1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not > looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but > a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma > is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections > or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a > witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the > karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is > the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet > identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be > attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the > Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity > that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the > mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies > the Atma throughout the repeated births. Yes, the atma is present without changes, but the consciousness (citta or cetana) appears to be changing and developing desires. The sole real desire stemming from the soul is bhakti. The rest is attached to the material coverings and the soul falsely identifies himself with it. In my view the AK will indicate the change of consciousness, and as much as it is uncovered, the desire of the soul. Otherwise how cold the AK give power to Raja/yogas, which is an utter illusion? > 2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you > make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to > regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are > telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own > objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than > one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular > life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a > contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a > chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth? The AK indicates the desires for rebirth, which may be either further advancement of further degradation. It owuld be interesting to research what is the relationship between the Ak and the curses in the chart (not forgetting about the rest of the Chara Karakas which are supposed to give suffering or purify your karma in those relationships of father, mother etc.) The desire of the sould and its karma manifest as two separate identities. Often times we desire to commit some activity but don't desire its effect at all. Like someon desires to rob a bank but does not welcome when he is put to jail. So the reactions may often time make things hard to digest or may be seen as even obstacles on the path of advancement. However the Ak will indicate how the soul relates to the suffering coming from karmic reactions. Please refer to myt other post about AK - nodes relation. > 3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births, > or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural > progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic > AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it > occurs? I can't cite examples. The only one I know to be sure is the following example: Bhagavn Sri Krishna's AK is the Sun in Leo. The AK is the atma of the previous incarnation, i.e. Sri Rama, who had exalted Sun in the 10th house. Sri Krishna's Moon is exalted in Lagna, and His Saturn is the Amatyakarka in Scorpio. Now Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has got Moon and Ketu in Lagna in Leo (both the AK and Lagna significations of Krishna are present) and His AK is Saturn in the 4th (same house as Krishna's Saturn, and also 4th from Lagna as His AK). Also interesting thet AL is in Cancer, so there is no Maya or Arudha in the case of Bhagavan. But it indicates that He is known to be Krishna's incarnation. But lagnesh Venus is in the 12th, so He is a secret incarnation, channa-avataara, therefore not everyone acknowledges this fact. Also Al and Navamsha Lagna are in Venuses signs, so Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu acquired the golden complexion and feelings of Srimati Radharani. Naturally one might say that the charts of mere mortals may behave differently, but this is why I am looking for verified bith chart sequences of pfople whose previous lives are known. I would say that if there's jaatismara, i.e. spontaneous remembrance, then it might be more accurate that hypnotic regression, but either can be examined. Then we might see how the AK planet and its position changes from life to life. > 4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current > Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa? Yes, very deep meaning, and might as well give a good clue on where the previous Ak was and which planet it was. Sri Caitanya's AK in D-60 is in Sagittarius, i.e. in trines from the previous one. Also D-60 Lagna is in Capricorn (trines from Krishna's Lagna Taurus) and having Venus with Ketu. In Krishna's chart Venus is Lagna lord and the nodes in his Rasi are in the same sign where they are in Sri Caitanya's D-60. Yours, Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer gauranga Jyotish Remedies: WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET Phone:+36-309-140-839 > > Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at > clarification, > > Sundeep > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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