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Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture

of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka

thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a

lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers'

understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps:

 

1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not

looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but

a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma

is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections

or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a

witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the

karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is

the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet

identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be

attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the

Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity

that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the

mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies

the Atma throughout the repeated births.

2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you

make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to

regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are

telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own

objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than

one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular

life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a

contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a

chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth?

3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births,

or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural

progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic

AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it

occurs?

4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current

Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa?

 

Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at

clarification,

 

Sundeep

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Sundeep,

 

Namaste.

 

I'm planning to prepare a paer on this for the March issue of Jyotish Digest

which will be centered around Navamsha. As far as Karakamsha and Swamsha is

concerned, I'm sure that the learned Gurus will give details on it. So I'd

like to give some preliminaries of the Atmakaraka and Charakarakas from BPHS

to assist the topics on Navamsha. Please be sure to get that copy of Jyotish

Digest.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

 

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<vedicastrostudent

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:30 PM

[vedic astrology] Deeper questions on AK - Robert, Visti, PVR,

Gauranga, others

 

 

> Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture

> of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka

> thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a

> lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers'

> understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps:

>

> 1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not

> looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but

> a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma

> is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections

> or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a

> witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the

> karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is

> the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet

> identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be

> attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the

> Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity

> that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the

> mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies

> the Atma throughout the repeated births.

> 2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you

> make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to

> regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are

> telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own

> objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than

> one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular

> life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a

> contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a

> chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth?

> 3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births,

> or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural

> progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic

> AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it

> occurs?

> 4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current

> Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa?

>

> Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at

> clarification,

>

> Sundeep

>

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> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

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JAYA JAGANNATHA!

 

Dear Jyotisha,

 

a few thought-provoking ideas:

 

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<vedicastrostudent

<vedic astrology>

Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:30 PM

[vedic astrology] Deeper questions on AK - Robert, Visti, PVR,

Gauranga, others

 

 

> Can one or more Gurus, in a single post, offer us a complete picture

> of Atmakaraka. Although I have learned a lot from the Atmakaraka

> thread, there are many gaps in my understanding, and probably in a

> lot of other novice and perhaps even advanced readers'

> understandings. Let me outline some of the gaps:

>

> 1) First, starting from the basics, what is Atmakaraka - I'm not

> looking for Atmakaraka identification (graha at highest degree), but

> a meaning - if it represents the Atma as you all say, and as the Atma

> is completely pure (as I understand it), it can have no imperfections

> or desires, INCLUDING the desire to be reborn. Isnt it simply just a

> witness to the repeated rebirths? The driver for the rebirth is the

> karma of the individual, no? So, since you all say that Atmakaraka is

> the king of the chart, and also that it's representing planet

> identifies the area of learning for the individual, you seem to be

> attaching motive to the Atma. Since that cannot be possible, the

> Atmakaraka must signify the Atma PLUS some karma-containing-entity

> that contains the motive or at least the selectivity. Is that the

> mind, ego, intellect or what? It must be something that accompanies

> the Atma throughout the repeated births.

 

Yes, the atma is present without changes, but the consciousness (citta or

cetana) appears to be changing and developing desires. The sole real desire

stemming from the soul is bhakti. The rest is attached to the material

coverings and the soul falsely identifies himself with it. In my view the AK

will indicate the change of consciousness, and as much as it is uncovered,

the desire of the soul. Otherwise how cold the AK give power to Raja/yogas,

which is an utter illusion?

 

> 2) Does Atmakaraka not represent the reason you were born? When you

> make statements like "placement of Atmakaraka is dusthanas lead to

> regression in spiritual advancement etc", I get confused. You are

> telling me that the Atmakaraka chose a life in which it's own

> objectives are not going to be fulfilled? Looks to me like more than

> one driver of the same car! If you say that it chose a particular

> life, but then due to the person getting intoxicated by his senses a

> contradictory path was lived, then I think - if you can see that in a

> chart, then wasnt this known to the Atmakaraka at birth?

 

The AK indicates the desires for rebirth, which may be either further

advancement of further degradation. It owuld be interesting to research what

is the relationship between the Ak and the curses in the chart (not

forgetting about the rest of the Chara Karakas which are supposed to give

suffering or purify your karma in those relationships of father, mother

etc.) The desire of the sould and its karma manifest as two separate

identities. Often times we desire to commit some activity but don't desire

its effect at all. Like someon desires to rob a bank but does not welcome

when he is put to jail. So the reactions may often time make things hard to

digest or may be seen as even obstacles on the path of advancement. However

the Ak will indicate how the soul relates to the suffering coming from

karmic reactions. Please refer to myt other post about AK - nodes relation.

 

> 3) Does the Atmakaraka signifying planet change in repeated births,

> or does it remain the same? If it changes, is the change a natural

> progression (from benefics to malefics for e.g.(since you say malefic

> AKs signify more advanced souls)). What influences the change, if it

> occurs?

 

I can't cite examples. The only one I know to be sure is the following

example: Bhagavn Sri Krishna's AK is the Sun in Leo. The AK is the atma of

the previous incarnation, i.e. Sri Rama, who had exalted Sun in the 10th

house. Sri Krishna's Moon is exalted in Lagna, and His Saturn is the

Amatyakarka in Scorpio. Now Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu has got Moon and Ketu in

Lagna in Leo (both the AK and Lagna significations of Krishna are present)

and His AK is Saturn in the 4th (same house as Krishna's Saturn, and also

4th from Lagna as His AK). Also interesting thet AL is in Cancer, so there

is no Maya or Arudha in the case of Bhagavan. But it indicates that He is

known to be Krishna's incarnation. But lagnesh Venus is in the 12th, so He

is a secret incarnation, channa-avataara, therefore not everyone

acknowledges this fact. Also Al and Navamsha Lagna are in Venuses signs, so

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu acquired the golden complexion and feelings of

Srimati Radharani.

 

Naturally one might say that the charts of mere mortals may behave

differently, but this is why I am looking for verified bith chart sequences

of pfople whose previous lives are known. I would say that if there's

jaatismara, i.e. spontaneous remembrance, then it might be more accurate

that hypnotic regression, but either can be examined. Then we might see how

the AK planet and its position changes from life to life.

 

> 4) Since the Shastiamsa shows the previous births, does the current

> Atmakaraka (as identified from Rasi) have a meaning in the Shastiamsa?

 

Yes, very deep meaning, and might as well give a good clue on where the

previous Ak was and which planet it was. Sri Caitanya's AK in D-60 is in

Sagittarius, i.e. in trines from the previous one. Also D-60 Lagna is in

Capricorn (trines from Krishna's Lagna Taurus) and having Venus with Ketu.

In Krishna's chart Venus is Lagna lord and the nodes in his Rasi are in the

same sign where they are in Sri Caitanya's D-60.

 

Yours,

 

Gauranga Das Vedic Astrologer

gauranga

Jyotish Remedies:

WWW.BRIHASPATI.NET

Phone:+36-309-140-839

 

 

>

> Thank you very much in advance for any and all efforts at

> clarification,

>

> Sundeep

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us .......

>

>

>

> Your use of is subject to

>

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