RE: relocation astrology - few books - to Sanjayji

[Guest guest]

Pranam, I am attaching the article by Julian Lee on Moon IC line, where he shows

that Jim Lewis didn’t give due importance to the Moon IC line, although I wanted

to present the article on Jupiter and other planet lines (which are more

contradictory to accepted ACG) by Julian Lee, my notes are in Calcutta and

those articles on the net have now become password protected at his site.

 

 

http://www.geostel.com/BrownbookMoon-IC.html

 

I am also attaching the same in word format.

 

Another interview of Julian Lee could be of interest to some, below is the link.

http://www.geostel.com/interCouteau.html

 

http://www.geostel.com//interview.html

 

Also Julian Lee seems to be giving more importance to relocated Natal Charts

than Jim Lewis and other ACG practitioners. Below is an excerpt from his

interview.

 

 

Q. Explain the relocated natal chart.

A. You draw a natal chart as if you had been born someplace else, and you find

that your house setup comes out altered. Planets move into new houses, houses

take on different signs on their cusps, etc.

Q. So in the Relocated Natal, what changes are the planets-in-houses, but not

planets in signs, or the aspects that they make to each other?

A. Correct. In relocation we can change the way your planets sit in the houses,

and house rulerships. In astrocartography terms, I initially made a move to

Alaska to be near a "Jupiter Dsc" line as well as "Sun Asc." This meant that

Jupiter was going to be on my Seventh House cusp, instead of in my Fifth where

it was natally. Luckily I was curious enough to order a "Relocated Natal Chart"

for the area. When I got it, I saw that the factors on the linemap were all

visually present in the Relocated Natal. I could see that, yep, there was

Jupiter sitting on the new Seventh House cusp, whereas my natal had it in

Fifth. This was represented on the linemap as a line called "JU-DSC." Then

there was my Sun now sitting at First instead of in the 11th. This was marked

by a "SU-ASC" line. I said to myself, "Aha! That's where these lines come

from." Now, I didn't understand at that time that he was arriving at his lines

using a different reckoning, but I did see that they approximated the RelNat

positions. I got a lot of other RelNats and saw how they usually included

whatever factor the astrocartography map showed, with some aberrations in the

1st and 7th axis because of the different technique he was using.

Q. In other words, the astrocartography "lines" may be really expressions of a

few relocated natal chart factors.

A. They can be viewed that way, and that is what I am saying. I am saying that

Lewis really stumbled onto the Relocated Natal and it's importance. Now, by

comparison an ACG map shows only a small portion of the RelNat factors. When

they say in the ACG promo that "astrocartography is a technique of mapping a

horoscope onto a world map," it's stretching things a lot. It would be more

honest to say it's a way of plotting 2 percent of your horoscope onto a world

map.

Q. What is the difference in studying an area using an astrocartography map, and

studying the Relocated Natal Chart for the same area?

A. Well, there is a lot more to see in a RelNat. For example, in my case, I had

taken on a new ascendant -- Pisces instead of my usual Gemini. My Alaskan money

house had a different ruler, Mars was now in my 2nd instead of 12th, and many

other items were evident once I saw the RelNat. None of these things are

depicted on linemaps. But if you want to know how income will go in a new

location, you have to look at the second house--the house of money. A

"Jupiter-Midheaven" won't save you if your actual money house is bad. That

means occupants of the house, ruler of the house, transits and progressions to

the ruler, and transits to the occupants -- all the good, classical stuff. But

you won't see any second house information on a linemap. You can only see it in

a RelNat.

Q. So you think that those other items are important, too?

A. Yes, they are. Back then, novice that I was, I didn't see why they shouldn't

be. In my astrological studies up to that time, I had always seen the chart

handled as a whole, with effects given to planets through all the houses. In

classical astrology, everything in a natal chart is meaningful and

interpretable. So I assumed that if some things in the RelNat was going to

"work" -- like my new Jupiter-on-Dsc -- why wouldn't other parts of the chart

"work" also? Jim Lewis seemed so confident in his brown booklet -- that these

angular conjunctions really produce certain phenomena. Like, Venus at Dsc would

attract to you pretty females, a Pluto midheaven could get you murdered, and so

on. So it seemed he thought that these locational influences produce definite

results.

Q. So you decided that the Relocated Natal was really the discovery, and started

working with it as a whole, even though the in mundo positions produce

differences around the 1st-7th axis.

A. Right.

Q. And what are you finding?

A. I have found that the entire relocated natal chart 'works,' not just parts of

it, and is more accurate and useful than any linemap.

Q. For example?

A. Well, in Alaska my Ascendant had changed from Gemini (my natal) to Pisces. I

realized after less than 6 months that I was taking on the personality traits

of Pisces. I had developed an interest in meditation, became less verbal, and

got a little woozy and disorganized. People actually started guessing Pisces

for my sun sign. I had put Mars into my second house, and I later realized I

had become very impulsive about spending. I counted up one day and was

mortified to find I'd spent $2,000 on books in a year. I took on a Sagittarius

midheaven, and I came into a much higher and easy-going professional situation.

I realized all of that might be significant. I started to look at the relocated

natals of other people. I found that if they had been living with them long,

the relocated natal seemed to describe their life at least as well as their

natal charts. Later I realized that the Relocated Natal actually seemed MORE

accurate than the natal. Then, when you start watching transits to the RelNat

versus transits to the Natal, it'll really blow you away. It makes you stand up

and notice. Astrology comes in from the cold at that point.

Q. Now, what about the traditional natal chart. Could it be that you haven't

given it it's due. You said that you became an astrologer studying location

from the beginning...

A. Well the person who introduced me to astrology was a traditional astrologer,

like everyone else. And the books that I read were all based on the natal

chart. And I bought all that, about the natal chart, from the beginning. For my

first couple of years as a professional I was reading off the natal chart, like

everyone else. But I had these two parallel tracks going from the start. I had

seen the RelNat, so I was always watching that, too, and comparing. It was

through watching the two of them for a while that I finally jumped ship. But it

took me a little while to unbrainwash myself, and register the obvious. It's

when you start watching transits to the RelNat that it really jumps out at you.

Like, watch Saturn go through your natal 2nd House, and then watch it go through

actual your RelNat second house. (Assuming you've moved.) Or watch Venus hit

your natal nadir, and them compare it when it hits the nadir in your current

RelNat. The RelNat transit will bring the pretty people to your house, maybe

bearing food and gifts. It'll really shake you up once you start watching it.

You'll realize you have another chart. And it's like getting a front row seat

on astrology, instead of 20 rows back--which is where most atrologers are

sitting now. You get to see things the ancients were seeing--very clear

renditions of astrological house phenomena--and you realize why they were more

"fatalistic." They had a more clear working astrology because people didn't

move around much in those days. So what Lewis has really done is rediscovered

the real natal chart. It's the Relocated Natal.

Q. You said you thought Jim Lewis didn't comprehend the import of his discovery.

A: I don't think he did, or else he would have quickly led us to study the

Relocated Natal Chart. It's more interesting and fun. It has a "money house"

and other neat stuff. The idea that the Relocated Natal actually 'works' is a

profound discovery. It rocks the foundations of astrology. This is the real

discovery that Jim Lewis actually made. But since he didn't speak in those

terms, it makes me think he didn't realize what he had actually discovered.

 

With Best Regards,

 

Happy and Prosperous New year to you and everyone at SJC.

 

May the Blessings, Mercy, Compassion and Light of the Guru shine on everyone.

 

 

Sunil John

Sanjay Rath <srath (AT) srath (DOT) com> wrote:

 

 

Jaya Jagannath

Dear Sunil

What is the contradiction?

Best regards,

Sanjay Rath

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Sunil John

[suniljohn_2002 ]Thursday, December 26, 2002 6:10 PMTo:

vedic astrologySubject: Re: [vedic astrology] relocation

astrology - few books

Hi Denis These books are supposed to be the best. 1. The astrocartography book

of maps by Jim Lewis 2. Where in the world by Erin Sullivan 3. Navigating by

the stars - Edith Hathaway. 4. Astrolocality astrology - Martin Davis 5.

Astrology on the Move - Sasha Fenton 6. The psychology of astrocartography by

Jim Lewis and Kenneth Irving. Julian Lee's research on ACG although

contradictory to accepted ACG, is worth a look and might be very practical.

Hope this helps,

Sunil John

Denis 1008 <denis1008 > wrote:

Any suggestion for good book(s) on relocation astrology ?

 

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