Guest guest Posted September 8, 2002 Report Share Posted September 8, 2002 Dear memebers, Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in Thulam Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the person involved? Thank you, p.v.kaitheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered to be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because Mars is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and venus is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would thus result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than mars in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of sissy,and mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may result in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions which produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. depending on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as also the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in libra will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will depend on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such conjuction is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic- astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > Dear memebers, > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in Thulam > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the person > involved? > Thank you, > p.v.kaitheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a sexual pervert. This is not true. Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from memory). Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, too. You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. Regards, Arno vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered to > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because Mars > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and venus > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would thus > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than mars > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of sissy,and > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may result > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions which > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. depending > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as also > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in libra > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will depend > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such conjuction > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic- > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > Dear memebers, > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in Thulam > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > person > > involved? > > Thank you, > > p.v.kaitheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 ananta127 wrote: Dear R.K.Bagaya, namasteYour statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a sexual pervert. This is not true.Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of his children. You're certainly not informed properly on this!! No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from memory). Er.. but what's bachelorhood got to do with what Bagaya says? Don't link marriage with passion. You could be married, or celibate, or even both! A bachelor can produce another, if you know what I mean. Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or oversexed people. Yea, and Bill Clinton is smarter than most of us too, because he believes that one person can be having sex while her sexual partner is not. At the same time it is stated in the classics that Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, too. And at your peril too. The road of stereotypicalization, especially for an astrologer who doesn't analyze other aspects, is one fraught with many potential pitfalls. If Mars and Venus are conjunct for a fortnight, you'd have 7000 seconds of this combination in kendras. Which would see the birth of about 6980 kids in India alone. So where would that leave us? You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus conjunction to prove you point? Now this is a nice way of going about things. What better than real-life charts to prove the point? If not, it might be better not to issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. And why would it scare a chap to be told he might be sexually perverse? If anything, those around them should be scared Regards, Arno Warm regards, Ramapriya vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered to > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because Mars > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and venus > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would thus > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than mars > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of sissy,and > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may result > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions which > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. depending > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as also > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in libra > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will depend > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such conjuction > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > Dear memebers,> > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in Thulam > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > person > > involved?> > Thank you,> > p.v.kaitheeshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do You ? Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two combine there is bound to be confusion.The logic of my statement is clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn you say that remaining a batchelor is normal.It is also a kind of abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life etc.Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote: > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > sexual pervert. This is not true. > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > memory). > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, > too. > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > Regards, Arno > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered > to > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > Mars > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > venus > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > thus > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > mars > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > sissy,and > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > result > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > which > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > depending > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > also > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > libra > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > depend > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > conjuction > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic- > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > > > Dear memebers, > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > Thulam > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > person > > > involved? > > > Thank you, > > > p.v.kaitheesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Rk, My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this. - rkbaqaya vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two combine there is bound to be confusion. Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary. The logic of my statement is clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion. It is also a kind of abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life etc. Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with. Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" Humble Regards Hari <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > memory).> > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, > too. > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > Regards, Arno> > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered > to > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > Mars > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > venus > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > thus > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > mars > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > sissy,and > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > result > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > which > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > depending > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > also > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > libra > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > depend > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > conjuction > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > Thulam > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > person > > > involved?> > > Thank you,> > > p.v.kaitheeshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Hari, One correction; Jupiter also represents love.. Venus is descriminative and choses a person for this love, and hence gets attached that way. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 1:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Om Gurave Namah Dear Rk, My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this. - rkbaqaya vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two combine there is bound to be confusion. Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary. The logic of my statement is clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion. It is also a kind of abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life etc. Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with. Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" Humble Regards Hari <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > memory).> > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, > too. > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > Regards, Arno> > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered > to > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > Mars > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > venus > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > thus > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > mars > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > sissy,and > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > result > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > which > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > depending > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > also > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > libra > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > depend > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > conjuction > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > Thulam > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > person > > > involved?> > > Thank you,> > > p.v.kaitheeshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be a natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, conjoin to do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is bound to be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock etc.I think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out of context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the mars,venus conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be considered normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case it proved my statement that married life is not normal in such cases.In fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life is to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it is from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house it is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of mars and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with the disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RKvedic- astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > Dear Rk, > > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this. > > - > rkbaqaya > vedic astrology > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two > combine there is bound to be confusion. > > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary. > > > The logic of my statement is > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. > > there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion. > > It is also a kind of > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life > etc. > > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with. > > > Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" > Humble Regards > > Hari > > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote: > > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste > > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > > sexual pervert. This is not true. > > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > > memory). > > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate > or > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics > that > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention > that, > > too. > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > > > Regards, Arno > > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > considered > > to > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > > Mars > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > > venus > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > > thus > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > > mars > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > > sissy,and > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > > result > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > > which > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > depending > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > > also > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > > libra > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > > depend > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > > conjuction > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic- > > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear memebers, > > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > > Thulam > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > > person > > > > involved? > > > > Thank you, > > > > p.v.kaitheesh > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear RK, I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna lord. Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts they become like the Sun and Moon. Best wishes, Visti. - rkbaqaya vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be a natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, conjoin to do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is bound to be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock etc.I think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out of context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the mars,venus conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be considered normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case it proved my statement that married life is not normal in such cases.In fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life is to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it is from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house it is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of mars and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with the disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RKvedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Rk,> > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this.> > - > rkbaqaya > vedic astrology > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION> > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two > combine there is bound to be confusion.> > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary.> > > The logic of my statement is > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal.> > there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion.> > It is also a kind of > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life > etc.> > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with.> > > Bye RK--- In vedic astrology, "ananta127" > Humble Regards> > Hari> > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > > memory).> > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate > or > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics > that > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention > that, > > too. > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > > > Regards, Arno> > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > considered > > to > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > > Mars > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > > venus > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > > thus > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > > mars > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > > sissy,and > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > > result > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > > which > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > depending > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > > also > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > > libra > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > > depend > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > > conjuction > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > > Thulam > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > > person > > > > involved?> > > > Thank you,> > > > p.v.kaitheesh> > > > Sponsor > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Dear Visti, WRT sex - Jupiter with Venus and Mars with Venus has been discussed on this thread - what about - 1) Jupiter with Mars both conjunct? 2) Jupiter and Venus and Mars all conjunct? Sateesh. ======== - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 1:32 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear RK, I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna lord. Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts they become like the Sun and Moon. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Ramapriya Sateesh Batas wrote: Dear Visti, WRT sex - Jupiter with Venus and Mars with Venus has been discussed on this thread - what about - 1) Jupiter with Mars both conjunct? 2) Jupiter and Venus and Mars all conjunct? Sateesh. ======== - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 1:32 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear RK, I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna lord. Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts they become like the Sun and Moon. ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.385 / Virus Database: 217 - Release Date: 04/09/2002Archives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... Do You ? Finance - Get real-time stock quotes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, One small question. Isnt the word compassion more right for jupiter than love? I say this as Jupiter does get exalted in the sign of the mother. Please do correct me Regds Hari - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 5:26 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Hari, One correction; Jupiter also represents love.. Venus is descriminative and choses a person for this love, and hence gets attached that way. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 1:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Om Gurave Namah Dear Rk, My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this. - rkbaqaya vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two combine there is bound to be confusion. Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary. The logic of my statement is clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion. It is also a kind of abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life etc. Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with. Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" Humble Regards Hari <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > memory).> > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, > too. > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > Regards, Arno> > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered > to > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > Mars > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > venus > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > thus > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > mars > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > sissy,and > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > result > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > which > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > depending > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > also > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > libra > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > depend > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > conjuction > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > Thulam > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > person > > > involved?> > > Thank you,> > > p.v.kaitheeshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted September 9, 2002 Report Share Posted September 9, 2002 Vyam Vyasaadevaaya Namah Dear Hari, Bhakti is the right term. Yes Moon is compassionate like the mother. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 7:20 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Om Gurave Namah Dear Visti, One small question. Isnt the word compassion more right for jupiter than love? I say this as Jupiter does get exalted in the sign of the mother. Please do correct me Regds Hari - Visti Larsen vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 5:26 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah Dear Hari, One correction; Jupiter also represents love.. Venus is descriminative and choses a person for this love, and hence gets attached that way. Best wishes, Visti. - Katti Narahari vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 1:38 PM Re: [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Om Gurave Namah Dear Rk, My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and guru's here comment on this. - rkbaqaya vedic astrology Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by logic and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male sexual vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the two combine there is bound to be confusion. Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire chart is primary. The logic of my statement is clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this general rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome these tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want to enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about K.N.Rao,cn you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. there is a difference between not being married and one being sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just (only) mars-venus conjuntion. It is also a kind of abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither have the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology is one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But i can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew what was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either they were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married life etc. Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one associates with. Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" Humble Regards Hari <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent people, > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become a > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the birth of > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you write. > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote from > memory).> > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and his > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce passionate or > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics that > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention that, > too. > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, homosexuals, > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not to > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as it > might scare to death some people who have it in their charts. > > Regards, Arno> > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not considered > to > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is because > Mars > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope and > venus > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction would > thus > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of course > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The problem > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger than > mars > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > sissy,and > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > result > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > which > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > depending > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking place,as > also > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace and > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > libra > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not will > depend > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods the > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this should be > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > conjuction > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp in > Thulam > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect the > > person > > > involved?> > > Thank you,> > > p.v.kaitheeshArchives: vedic astrologyGroup info: vedic astrology/info.htmlTo UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-....... 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Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 Dear friend Visti, I am not able to agree with you that mars represents a celibate like a Hanuman.See how people passing through Mars dasha behave in life and you will know the answer.See mars does represents a strong man like Hanuman,but all human beings cannot be celibate like Hanuman,who was divine and therefore an exception.In fact all astrological texts refer to the results of mars in the 6th as 'prabal kami'.This would not be so if what you would be saying was right.I am also not able to agree to your second statement about saturn ansd mercury causing gendr confusion.Why should they cause gender confusion,when they are not related to genders.Yes saturn and mercury in lagna may cause impotence,but that will be impotence caused on account of weak nerves and not gender confusion.IN MY OPINION GENDER CONFUSION IS CAUSED ONLY BY MARS AND VENUS THE NATURAL SIGNIFICATORS OF GENDERS WHEN THEY ARE IN CLOSE CONJUCTION,WHEN IN THE CASE OF A MAN IN THIS CONJUCTION VENUS IS STRONGER THAN MARS AND IN THE CASE OF A WOMAN IN SUCH A CONJUCTION MARS IS STRONGER THAN VENUS.I HOPE I HAVE CLARIFIED MY THOUGHTS.Bye RK -- In vedic- astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > -- ------------ > > Dear RK, > I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna lord. > > Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts they become like the Sun and Moon. > > Best wishes, Visti. > - > rkbaqaya > vedic astrology > Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be a > natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are > opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, conjoin to > do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one > dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the > fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is bound to > be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and > negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock etc.I > think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that > remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus > conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out of > context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that > everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the mars,venus > conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be considered > normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case it > proved my statement that married life is not normal in such cases.In > fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are > spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life is > to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my > opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it is > from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house it > is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and > house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of mars > and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the > matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with the > disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RKvedic- > astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > Dear Rk, > > > > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and > guru's here comment on this. > > > > - > > rkbaqaya > > vedic astrology > > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > > > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by > logic > > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my > > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male > sexual > > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the > two > > combine there is bound to be confusion. > > > > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who > represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the > like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour > in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you > use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing > to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If > it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then > we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could > give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is > important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire > chart is primary. > > > > > > The logic of my statement is > > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this > general > > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome > these > > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want > to > > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about > K.N.Rao,cn > > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. > > > > there is a difference between not being married and one being > sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial > of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While > an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from > UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the > mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just > (only) mars-venus conjuntion. > > > > It is also a kind of > > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither > have > > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology > is > > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But > i > > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew > what > > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either > they > > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married > life > > etc. > > > > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is > seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to > a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter > could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would > go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married > like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one > associates with. > > > > > > Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" > > Humble Regards > > > > Hari > > > > > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste > > > > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent > people, > > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become > a > > > sexual pervert. This is not true. > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the > birth of > > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you > write. > > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote > from > > > memory). > > > > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and > his > > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce > passionate > > or > > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics > > that > > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention > > that, > > > too. > > > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, > homosexuals, > > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars- Venus > > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not > to > > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as > it > > > might scare to death some people who have it in their > charts. > > > > > > Regards, Arno > > > > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote: > > > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > > considered > > > to > > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is > because > > > Mars > > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope > and > > > venus > > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction > would > > > thus > > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of > course > > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The > problem > > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger > than > > > mars > > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > > > sissy,and > > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > > > result > > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > > > which > > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > > depending > > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking > place,as > > > also > > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace > and > > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > > > libra > > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not > will > > > depend > > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods > the > > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this > should be > > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > > > conjuction > > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic- > > > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear memebers, > > > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp > in > > > Thulam > > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect > the > > > > person > > > > > involved? > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > p.v.kaitheesh > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- astrology/info.html > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e... > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 Om Gurave Namah Dear RK, Although you have addressed this to Visti, I hope it's ok if i contribute my thoughts. When we talk of mars being hanuman, it means that mars has little desire for having a sexual union. That's the inherent desire of mars. The desire for this could be more with Jupiter and still more with Saturn. The quote of yours as mars in the 6th being a prabal kami (prabal=strong and kami=desires) is confusing to me atleast. Because of mars in then 6th gives desires, he should have been exalted in the 6th in the natural zodiac. Rather it's mercury who get;s exalted there. Thus venus mars conjuntion could give excessive agression in sexual maters. As of gender confusion, mars is a male planet and Venus the female planet. So there is no confusion. It's only mercury that;s a hermaphrodite or an eunuch. So, here is to confusion regarding gender. Thus for gender confusion it;s mercury's role with respect to lagna lord gender confusion seems more logical. I could be wrong. Will wait for guru's to comment on this. Regds Hari - R.K.Baqaya vedic astrology Friday, September 13, 2002 10:56 AM [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION Dear friend Visti, I am not able to agree with you that mars represents a celibate like a Hanuman.See how people passing through Mars dasha behave in life and you will know the answer.See mars does represents a strong man like Hanuman,but all human beings cannot be celibate like Hanuman,who was divine and therefore an exception.In fact all astrological texts refer to the results of mars in the 6th as 'prabal kami'.This would not be so if what you would be saying was right.I am also not able to agree to your second statement about saturn ansd mercury causing gendr confusion.Why should they cause gender confusion,when they are not related to genders.Yes saturn and mercury in lagna may cause impotence,but that will be impotence caused on account of weak nerves and not gender confusion.IN MY OPINION GENDER CONFUSION IS CAUSED ONLY BY MARS AND VENUS THE NATURAL SIGNIFICATORS OF GENDERS WHEN THEY ARE IN CLOSE CONJUCTION,WHEN IN THE CASE OF A MAN IN THIS CONJUCTION VENUS IS STRONGER THAN MARS AND IN THE CASE OF A WOMAN IN SUCH A CONJUCTION MARS IS STRONGER THAN VENUS.I HOPE I HAVE CLARIFIED MY THOUGHTS.Bye RK -- In vedic astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote:> Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah> > --> > Dear RK,> I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna lord.> > Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts they become like the Sun and Moon.> > Best wishes, Visti.> ----- Original Message ----- > rkbaqaya > vedic astrology > Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM> [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION> > > Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be a > natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are > opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, conjoin to > do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one > dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the > fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is bound to > be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and > negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock etc.I > think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that > remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus > conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out of > context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that > everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the mars,venus > conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be considered > normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case it > proved my statement that married life is not normal in such cases.In > fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are > spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life is > to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my > opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it is > from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house it > is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and > house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of mars > and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the > matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with the > disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RK--- In vedic-> astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> > Om Gurave Namah> > > > Dear Rk,> > > > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and > guru's here comment on this.> > > > - > > rkbaqaya > > To: vedic astrology > > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM> > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION> > > > > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology by > logic > > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be of my > > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of male > sexual > > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when the > two > > combine there is bound to be confusion.> > > > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who > represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and the > like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive behaviour > in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you > use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it confusing > to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If > it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, then > we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada could > give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is > important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The entire > chart is primary.> > > > > > The logic of my statement is > > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this > general > > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might overcome > these > > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't want > to > > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about > K.N.Rao,cn > > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal.> > > > there is a difference between not being married and one being > sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a denial > of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. While > an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord from > UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see the > mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just > (only) mars-venus conjuntion.> > > > It is also a kind of > > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i neither > have > > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as astrology > is > > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular profession.But > i > > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i knew > what > > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus conjuction,either > they > > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory married > life > > etc.> > > > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce is > seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would point to > a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter > could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I would > go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in married > like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one > associates with.> > > > > > Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" > > Humble Regards> > > > Hari> > > > > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste> > > > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent > people, > > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You seem to > > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to become > a > > > sexual pervert. This is not true.> > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I am > > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the > birth of > > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you > write. > > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has the > > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote > from > > > memory).> > > > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction and > his > > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce > passionate > > or > > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the classics > > that > > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should mention > > that, > > > too. > > > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, > homosexuals, > > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent people, > > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars-Venus > > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better not > to > > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary conjunction as > it > > > might scare to death some people who have it in their > charts. > > > > > > Regards, Arno> > > > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> wrote:> > > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > > considered > > > to > > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is > because > > > Mars > > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a horscope > and > > > venus > > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The conjuction > would > > > thus > > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is of > course > > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The > problem > > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger > than > > > mars > > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind of > > > sissy,and > > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which may > > > result > > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such conjuctions > > > which > > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > > depending > > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking > place,as > > > also > > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of peace > and > > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and venus in > > > libra > > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not > will > > > depend > > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major periods > the > > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this > should be > > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding such > > > conjuction > > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In vedic-> > > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear memebers,> > > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? esp > in > > > Thulam > > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction affect > the > > > > person > > > > > involved?> > > > > Thank you,> > > > > p.v.kaitheesh> > > > > > > > Groups Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > > > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > Your use of is subject to the Terms of > Service.> > > Sponsor > > > > > Archives: vedic astrology> > Group info: vedic astrology/info.html> > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology-@e...> > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 13, 2002 Report Share Posted September 13, 2002 TO SAY MARS HAS NO SEXUAL DESIRE DOES NOT APPEAR CORRECT TO ME.MARS REPRESENTS ALL KINDS OF WARRIORS AND AGREESIVE PEOPLE.HOW CAN IT BE SAID THAT THEY HAVE NO SEXUAL DESIRES.IN FACT ALL GERMAN GENERALS WHO WERE GREAT IN THE BATTLEFIELD ARE REPORTED TO HAVE GREAT SEXUAL DESIRES.THIS IS RECORDED IN BOOKS.YIUR STATEMENT THAT MARS HAS NO SEXUAL DESIRES GOES AGAINST THE BASIC TENETS OF ASYTROLOGY WHICH CONSIDERS MARS AS THE SIGNIFICATOR OF MALE SEXUAL VIGOUR.aS REGARDS MARS IN 6TH,I AM QUOTING FROM VARIOUS ASTROLOGICAL TEXTS INCLUDING MANTRESHWARA.AND I MAY AGAIN CLARIFY,AN EUNUCH KNOWS WHAT HE IS AND HAS NO CONFUSION.CONFUSION OCCURS WHEN THERE ARE TWO CONFLICTING FORCES LIKE MARS AND VENUS.BY THE WAY MY GURU IS MY LOGIC. RK--- In vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > -- ------------ > > > Dear RK, > > Although you have addressed this to Visti, I hope it's ok if i contribute my thoughts. > > When we talk of mars being hanuman, it means that mars has little desire for having a sexual union. That's the inherent desire of mars. The desire for this could be more with Jupiter and still more with Saturn. The quote of yours as mars in the 6th being a prabal kami (prabal=strong and kami=desires) is confusing to me atleast. Because of mars in then 6th gives desires, he should have been exalted in the 6th in the natural zodiac. Rather it's mercury who get;s exalted there. Thus venus mars conjuntion could give excessive agression in sexual maters. > > As of gender confusion, mars is a male planet and Venus the female planet. So there is no confusion. It's only mercury that;s a hermaphrodite or an eunuch. So, here is to confusion regarding gender. Thus for gender confusion it;s mercury's role with respect to lagna lord gender confusion seems more logical. > > I could be wrong. Will wait for guru's to comment on this. > > Regds > > Hari > - > R.K.Baqaya > vedic astrology > Friday, September 13, 2002 10:56 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > Dear friend Visti, I am not able to agree with you that mars > represents a celibate like a Hanuman.See how people passing through > Mars dasha behave in life and you will know the answer.See mars does > represents a strong man like Hanuman,but all human beings cannot be > celibate like Hanuman,who was divine and therefore an exception.In > fact all astrological texts refer to the results of mars in the 6th > as 'prabal kami'.This would not be so if what you would be saying was > right.I am also not able to agree to your second statement about > saturn ansd mercury causing gendr confusion.Why should they cause > gender confusion,when they are not related to genders.Yes saturn and > mercury in lagna may cause impotence,but that will be impotence > caused on account of weak nerves and not gender confusion.IN MY > OPINION GENDER CONFUSION IS CAUSED ONLY BY MARS AND VENUS THE NATURAL > SIGNIFICATORS OF GENDERS WHEN THEY ARE IN CLOSE CONJUCTION,WHEN IN > THE CASE OF A MAN IN THIS CONJUCTION VENUS IS STRONGER THAN MARS AND > IN THE CASE OF A WOMAN IN SUCH A CONJUCTION MARS IS STRONGER THAN > VENUS.I HOPE I HAVE CLARIFIED MY THOUGHTS.Bye RK -- In vedic- > astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ------------ > > > > Dear RK, > > I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that > Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not > normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the > picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces > which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. > Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a > weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing > both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna > lord. > > > > Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to > males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts > they become like the Sun and Moon. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > rkbaqaya > > vedic astrology > > Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > > > > Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be > a > > natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are > > opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, > conjoin to > > do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one > > dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the > > fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is > bound to > > be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and > > negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock > etc.I > > think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that > > remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus > > conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out > of > > context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that > > everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the > mars,venus > > conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be > considered > > normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case > it > > proved my statement that married life is not normal in such > cases.In > > fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are > > spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life > is > > to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my > > opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it > is > > from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house > it > > is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and > > house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of > mars > > and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the > > matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with > the > > disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RK--- In vedic- > > astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Rk, > > > > > > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and > > guru's here comment on this. > > > > > > - > > > rkbaqaya > > > vedic astrology > > > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > > > > > > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology > by > > logic > > > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be > of my > > > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of > male > > sexual > > > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when > the > > two > > > combine there is bound to be confusion. > > > > > > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who > > represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and > the > > like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive > behaviour > > in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you > > use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it > confusing > > to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If > > it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, > then > > we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada > could > > give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is > > important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The > entire > > chart is primary. > > > > > > > > > The logic of my statement is > > > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this > > general > > > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might > overcome > > these > > > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't > want > > to > > > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about > > K.N.Rao,cn > > > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. > > > > > > there is a difference between not being married and one being > > sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a > denial > > of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. > While > > an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord > from > > UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see > the > > mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just > > (only) mars-venus conjuntion. > > > > > > It is also a kind of > > > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i > neither > > have > > > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as > astrology > > is > > > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular > profession.But > > i > > > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > > > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i > knew > > what > > > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus > conjuction,either > > they > > > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory > married > > life > > > etc. > > > > > > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce > is > > seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would > point to > > a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter > > could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I > would > > go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in > married > > like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one > > associates with. > > > > > > > > > Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" > > > Humble Regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste > > > > > > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent > > people, > > > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You > seem to > > > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to > become > > a > > > > sexual pervert. This is not true. > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I > am > > > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the > > birth of > > > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you > > write. > > > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has > the > > > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote > > from > > > > memory). > > > > > > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction > and > > his > > > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce > > passionate > > > or > > > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the > classics > > > that > > > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should > mention > > > that, > > > > too. > > > > > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, > > homosexuals, > > > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent > people, > > > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars- > Venus > > > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better > not > > to > > > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary > conjunction as > > it > > > > might scare to death some people who have it in their > > charts. > > > > > > > > Regards, Arno > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> > wrote: > > > > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > > > considered > > > > to > > > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is > > because > > > > Mars > > > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a > horscope > > and > > > > venus > > > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The > conjuction > > would > > > > thus > > > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is > of > > course > > > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The > > problem > > > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger > > than > > > > mars > > > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind > of > > > > sissy,and > > > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which > may > > > > result > > > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such > conjuctions > > > > which > > > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > > > depending > > > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking > > place,as > > > > also > > > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of > peace > > and > > > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and > venus in > > > > libra > > > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not > > will > > > > depend > > > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major > periods > > the > > > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this > > should be > > > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding > such > > > > conjuction > > > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In > vedic- > > > > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear memebers, > > > > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? > esp > > in > > > > Thulam > > > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction > affect > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > involved? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > p.v.kaitheesh > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- @e... > > > > > > ....... 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 hello all, i do not agree with venus and mar cause homosexual or impotent. i have mar venus conjunct in forth house with sun mercury and moon in pieces and i have a very normal marriage and sex life and a wonderful child. at 53 when my wife at verge of manopause i am not having any interest being like clinton or being unfaithful to her rather i am becoming less demanding ofcourse my desire for sex has not gone down and in my teen age i did please my self toomuch and that is only dark point may be expressed by mar and venus and went tru lot of realtion with women but i will call all of them wonderful mostly as western women were free in ther expression. sincerely rajinder News - Today's headlines http://news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 Gee Rajinder, if you've to use a personal example to prove/disprove something here, stop when it is just right. The first two sentences were all that were required. You call your pleasing yourself too much as a dark point, yet term all your relationships wonderful, might just prove something else - that a Mars/Venus conjunction affects the brain :-) Ramapriya vedic astrology, Rajinder Nath <jinderman> wrote: > hello all, > i do not agree with venus and mar cause homosexual or > impotent. > i have mar venus conjunct in forth house with sun > mercury and moon in pieces and i have a very normal > marriage and sex life and a wonderful child. > at 53 when my wife at verge of manopause i am not > having any interest being like clinton or being > unfaithful > to her rather i am becoming less demanding ofcourse my > desire for sex has not gone down and in my teen age i > did please my self toomuch and that is only dark point > may be expressed by mar and venus and went tru lot of > realtion with women but i will call all of them > wonderful > mostly as western women were free in ther expression. > sincerely > rajinder > > > > > News - Today's headlines > http://news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 Ya Rajinder: You Da Man. -- Well said, most "quack astrologers" take the intepretation of certain placements in the horoscope too far and too literal.i.e. mars in 7th causes death of the spouse, so on and so forth. Rajinder, check out the writings of someone I came in contact with. His name is Rohini Ranjan Bose, I think he has one of the best interpretations of planetary placement and horoscope that I've ever seen. He has a lot of articles on a website named www.indianest.com and also writes on www.astroexperts.com. Also, all this jadu, tona and yantra are non-sense. I beleive that an individual's happiness and unhapiness are a result of present and past life karma and ONLY karma in the current bring about changes--good as well as bad. I believe astakbarga scores of all houses except the eight house could be changed by current life karma--both ways--if someone has a great score in a certain house and is enjoying the best benefits, but performs karma that contradicts the essence of that house, he begins to suffer in the attribute of that particular house or the arena of life. Likewise, if someone is born with a week house, but commits karma that are good and pious in relation to that house, he begin enjoying the benefits of that house. I say Karma and Dharma above everything else. By Dharma, I mean one's vocation or one's ordained role in life. Hinduism preaches non-violence against all beings, that is not be translated literally!!!! There are Hindus living in India who've trapped and hunted for generations and generations. Are these people going to hell because they've killed rabbits? Most definitely not, hunting is their Dharma.--They're trapping rabbits to feed their families and feed themselves, it is their Dharma. However, if they were to steal rabbits from someone else's traps, than this is bad karma and they may go to hell. More later. MD --- Rajinder Nath <jinderman wrote: > hello all, > i do not agree with venus and mar cause homosexual > or > impotent. > i have mar venus conjunct in forth house with sun > mercury and moon in pieces and i have a very normal > marriage and sex life and a wonderful child. > at 53 when my wife at verge of manopause i am not > having any interest being like clinton or being > unfaithful > to her rather i am becoming less demanding ofcourse > my > desire for sex has not gone down and in my teen age > i > did please my self toomuch and that is only dark > point > may be expressed by mar and venus and went tru lot > of > realtion with women but i will call all of them > wonderful > mostly as western women were free in ther > expression. > sincerely > rajinder > > > > > News - Today's headlines > http://news. > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 hello monmuk, yes i enjoy the learned men view on astrology and b elieve in mathmatical calculation and some effect on life. e.g if you are sick you go out in sunny day on the beach you are going to be miserable but a helthy young man going to have fun under the same sun. same way if one believe in yadu tuna and all the thing he is doing one day he is going to get trapped in this sickness. tomorrow is always unpredictable and prone to accident so present life lived good is all we have as asset. now you put a good comment on ahimsa parmadharma view. all humankind is not to be sage only once you get closer to that state you may look deeply into that statement i feel most of us aree karma yogi and doing our duty well even if we have to be butcher on this earth is fine to feed our kids. show me any one on this earth who has not ista devta let them live six month without sun some where under the sea i gaurantee they will come back crazy. so sun is the most important ista for all of us i heard even scientist belive if jupitor with is gravitation magnatism do not puull those comet to his body earth may have hit few time with vast comet. so visnu or jupitoe of course is wothy for worship too. there is nothing wrong to give them form of human as we see harmonious with our image. now for you get a book call scienc as a candle in the dark by carl saggan an famous astro scientist. i will go to the site you mention. so in geeta krishna already see arugana has killed all of his relative is meant deeper than we read i see all those greedy kaurav was thou help by cammander saturn karan but that itself was leading them to there death.yet self realised bhisam pitameh was aware of it.old man and sea is most beutiful story talk about karma is above everything if fisher man dont kill the fish he certainly going to die of no food for himself and his kids. rest later on rajinder --- md <monmuk111 wrote: > Ya Rajinder: > > You Da Man. -- Well said, most "quack astrologers" > take the intepretation of certain placements in the > horoscope too far and too literal.i.e. mars in 7th > causes death of the spouse, so on and so forth. > > Rajinder, check out the writings of someone I came > in > contact with. His name is Rohini Ranjan Bose, I > think > he has one of the best interpretations of planetary > placement and horoscope that I've ever seen. He has > a > lot of articles on a website named www.indianest.com > and also writes on www.astroexperts.com. > > Also, all this jadu, tona and yantra are non-sense. > I > beleive that an individual's happiness and > unhapiness > are a result of present and past life karma and ONLY > karma in the current bring about changes--good as > well > as bad. > > I believe astakbarga scores of all houses except the > eight house could be changed by current life > karma--both ways--if someone has a great score in a > certain house and is enjoying the best benefits, but > performs karma that contradicts the essence of that > house, he begins to suffer in the attribute of that > particular house or the arena of life. Likewise, if > someone is born with a week house, but commits karma > that are good and pious in relation to that house, > he > begin enjoying the benefits of that house. > > I say Karma and Dharma above everything else. By > Dharma, I mean one's vocation or one's ordained role > in life. Hinduism preaches non-violence against all > beings, that is not be translated literally!!!! > There > are Hindus living in India who've trapped and hunted > for generations and generations. Are these people > going to hell because they've killed rabbits? Most > definitely not, hunting is their Dharma.--They're > trapping rabbits to feed their families and feed > themselves, it is their Dharma. However, if they > were > to steal rabbits from someone else's traps, than > this > is bad karma and they may go to hell. More later. > > MD > > > > > > --- Rajinder Nath <jinderman wrote: > > hello all, > > i do not agree with venus and mar cause homosexual > > or > > impotent. > > i have mar venus conjunct in forth house with sun > > mercury and moon in pieces and i have a very > normal > > marriage and sex life and a wonderful child. > > at 53 when my wife at verge of manopause i am not > > having any interest being like clinton or being > > unfaithful > > to her rather i am becoming less demanding > ofcourse > > my > > desire for sex has not gone down and in my teen > age > > i > > did please my self toomuch and that is only dark > > point > > may be expressed by mar and venus and went tru lot > > of > > realtion with women but i will call all of them > > wonderful > > mostly as western women were free in ther > > expression. > > sincerely > > rajinder > > > > > > > > > > News - Today's headlines > > http://news. > > > > > > > Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance. > News - Today's headlines http://news. 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Guest guest Posted September 14, 2002 Report Share Posted September 14, 2002 gee rampriya ji, i dont see any harm done to be honest as i dont like to point toward any plant since most of plant just there to create harmony with all life on earth and believe me prediction is too hard a subject and since some who work on it may find the puzzale solved if we honestly index the native saying thiose effect . yes it does has effect on brain you are 100% right it makes a person extereme hot as venus along with mar like boiling water result could be varing according to the house it occupie as per mine it is exalted venus and sun being nulified the mar effect and moon in its own home or parents being make us like satwic food i leave it to gurus but i argued with my parent about celebate life and told them that is not possible unless you are gointto cave leave society .otherwise it will make you crazy you need to get it out like you blow your nose everyday. yes some astrologer says it cause diabetic but everyone at later age has slow metabolism and i dont think this mar venus conjunction cause any thing bad. sincerely rajinder rajinder > > > > > > > > > > News - Today's headlines > > http://news. > > News - Today's headlines http://news. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 2002 Report Share Posted November 3, 2002 I have Mars-Venus conjunction in the 8th house Gemini aspected By 5th lord Jupiter - Retrogade. Please let me know how it will affect me. Thanks! Prakash R Narayanan vedic astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > Om Gurave Namah > > -- ------------ > > > Dear RK, > > Although you have addressed this to Visti, I hope it's ok if i contribute my thoughts. > > When we talk of mars being hanuman, it means that mars has little desire for having a sexual union. That's the inherent desire of mars. The desire for this could be more with Jupiter and still more with Saturn. The quote of yours as mars in the 6th being a prabal kami (prabal=strong and kami=desires) is confusing to me atleast. Because of mars in then 6th gives desires, he should have been exalted in the 6th in the natural zodiac. Rather it's mercury who get;s exalted there. Thus venus mars conjuntion could give excessive agression in sexual maters. > > As of gender confusion, mars is a male planet and Venus the female planet. So there is no confusion. It's only mercury that;s a hermaphrodite or an eunuch. So, here is to confusion regarding gender. Thus for gender confusion it;s mercury's role with respect to lagna lord gender confusion seems more logical. > > I could be wrong. Will wait for guru's to comment on this. > > Regds > > Hari > - > R.K.Baqaya > vedic astrology > Friday, September 13, 2002 10:56 AM > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > Dear friend Visti, I am not able to agree with you that mars > represents a celibate like a Hanuman.See how people passing through > Mars dasha behave in life and you will know the answer.See mars does > represents a strong man like Hanuman,but all human beings cannot be > celibate like Hanuman,who was divine and therefore an exception.In > fact all astrological texts refer to the results of mars in the 6th > as 'prabal kami'.This would not be so if what you would be saying was > right.I am also not able to agree to your second statement about > saturn ansd mercury causing gendr confusion.Why should they cause > gender confusion,when they are not related to genders.Yes saturn and > mercury in lagna may cause impotence,but that will be impotence > caused on account of weak nerves and not gender confusion.IN MY > OPINION GENDER CONFUSION IS CAUSED ONLY BY MARS AND VENUS THE NATURAL > SIGNIFICATORS OF GENDERS WHEN THEY ARE IN CLOSE CONJUCTION,WHEN IN > THE CASE OF A MAN IN THIS CONJUCTION VENUS IS STRONGER THAN MARS AND > IN THE CASE OF A WOMAN IN SUCH A CONJUCTION MARS IS STRONGER THAN > VENUS.I HOPE I HAVE CLARIFIED MY THOUGHTS.Bye RK -- In vedic- > astrology, "Visti Larsen" <vishnu@l...> wrote: > > Vyam Vyasadevaya Namah > > > > ------------------------------- ---- > ------------ > > > > Dear RK, > > I have been taught differently about Mars & Venus. Fact is that > Mars is like Hanuman and a strict celibate. This celibacy would not > normally allow for any interference, yet when Venus comes into the > picture the sexual scene turns violent due to the churning of forces > which is against the martian principle. But there is no confussion. > Gender confusion is caused by the Lagna lord being associated with a > weak Mercury or Saturn.. as when they are weak, the native can swing > both ways , and especially if they associate strongly with lagna > lord. > > > > Your right about the primal instincts bit, Mars being assigned to > males and Venus for females.. when they rise above their instincts > they become like the Sun and Moon. > > > > Best wishes, Visti. > > - > > rkbaqaya > > vedic astrology > > Monday, September 09, 2002 2:16 PM > > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > > > > Dear Friend, I mentioned the word confusion,since that would be > a > > natural corollary of a conjuctucion of two things which are > > opposite.Let us say two people,one slow and another quick, > conjoin to > > do a project.After some time the quick one will find the slow one > > dull and boring to work with.Similarly the slow one will find the > > fast one may be perfunctory or even casual at times.There is > bound to > > be a clash or even abandonment of the project.When positive and > > negative meet in electricity,the result is electricity,shock > etc.I > > think i should be more clear now.As regards your statement that > > remaining unmarried may not have much to do with mars,venus > > conjuction.Yes that is right.But you have taken the statement out > of > > context.This was said in response to Ananta's statement that > > everything was OK in the case of Shri Rao,inspite of the > mars,venus > > conjuction.It looked surprising to me that this could be > considered > > normal whatever the reason astrological or otherwise.In any case > it > > proved my statement that married life is not normal in such > cases.In > > fact i know of many people with mars/venus conjuction who are > > spinsters.As regards your statement that quality of married life > is > > to be seen from up-pada alone,i am sorry i humbly disagree.In my > > opinion that married life has to be seen from the 7th house as it > is > > from lagna and moon.Then there is the 7th lord,the sign and house > it > > is placed in.The same would apply to the karka venus,its sign and > > house position.By the way,i may add here that a conjuction of > mars > > and venus is supposed to be a kuja dosha and in this view of the > > matter also it is clear that such a conjuction of the karka with > the > > disruptive mars may disrupt the married life.Bye RK--- In vedic- > > astrology, "Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote: > > > Om Gurave Namah > > > > > > Dear Rk, > > > > > > My comments in Red. I would be obliged if learned members and > > guru's here comment on this. > > > > > > - > > > rkbaqaya > > > vedic astrology > > > Monday, September 09, 2002 4:32 PM > > > [vedic astrology] Re: MARS VENUS CONJUNCTION > > > > > > > > > My friend Ananta, Please appreciate that i do my astrology > by > > logic > > > and not in a stereotyped way.What better logic can there be > of my > > > statements than the fact that mars is the significator of > male > > sexual > > > vigour and venus that of female sexual vigour.Obviously when > the > > two > > > combine there is bound to be confusion. > > > > > > Mars is the one who gives aggression and venus is the one who > > represents love, refinement, tendencies towards luxury, music and > the > > like. When mars and venus conjoin, it could give aggresive > behaviour > > in terms of sex yes.. but what i dont understand is the term you > > use 'confusion'. Confusion to who? to the native or is it > confusing > > to the people who evaluate/percieve the person in the society? If > > it's the manifestation of resutls in this materialistic society, > then > > we need to look at the arudha pada's. For example the darapada > could > > give the clue about this. But the basic fact remains that what is > > important is where venus and mars conjoin in a horoscope. The > entire > > chart is primary. > > > > > > > > > The logic of my statement is > > > clear and cannot be refuted.There can be exceptions to this > > general > > > rule,but that may be the individual's Karma,who might > overcome > > these > > > tendencies by self control.As regards Mahatma Gandhi i don't > want > > to > > > enter any controversy by making any statements.Well about > > K.N.Rao,cn > > > you say that remaining a batchelor is normal. > > > > > > there is a difference between not being married and one being > > sexually aggressive. If a person is not married or there is a > denial > > of marriage, i think the clue rests with the UL and it;s lord. > While > > an afflicted UL lord could deny marriage, an afflicted 2nd lord > from > > UL means the marriage will not be sustained. One could also see > the > > mutual placements of AL and UL. This has nothing to do with just > > (only) mars-venus conjuntion. > > > > > > It is also a kind of > > > abnormalty,whatever may be hidden behind it.I am sorry i > neither > > have > > > the patience nor the time to furnish the charts here,as > astrology > > is > > > one of the many hobbies i pursue besides a regular > profession.But > > i > > > can assure you that in my 20 years of experience of astrology > > > whatever charts of close friends(about whose married life i > knew > > what > > > was happening) i have seen with a mars venus > conjuction,either > > they > > > were spinsters or there was a divorce or unsatisfactory > married > > life > > > etc. > > > > > > Again, married life being unsatifactory or ending in divorce > is > > seen from the Upapada. While a malefic like mars in UL would > point to > > a spouse who argues all the time, the 8th from UL having jupiter > > could still mean a long married life but lot's of arugements. I > would > > go by Sage Parasara and see the UL factors for troubles in > married > > like and see the darapada for what kind (type) of people one > > associates with. > > > > > > > > > Bye RKvedic astrology, "ananta127" > > > Humble Regards > > > > > > Hari > > > > > > > > > <arno.holzmann@u...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear R.K.Bagaya, namaste > > > > > > > > Your statement "Mars-Venus conjunction produces impotent > > people, > > > > homosexuals, oversexed people etc." is too extreme. You > seem to > > > > indicate that anybody with this conjunction is bound to > become > > a > > > > sexual pervert. This is not true. > > > > > > > > Mahatma Gandhi had this in Lagna (close by degree!)and if I > am > > > > informed properly he was leading a celibate life after the > > birth of > > > > his children. No indication of "confused sexuality" as you > > write. > > > > K.N. Rao has remained unmarried throughout life and he has > the > > > > conjunction in Lagna, too, but not close by degree (I quote > > from > > > > memory). > > > > > > > > Bill Clinton is another example of Mars Venus conjunction > and > > his > > > > case does prove your point that Mars-Venus can produce > > passionate > > > or > > > > oversexed people. At the same time it is stated in the > classics > > > that > > > > Mars Venus in kendra makes one a leader. So you should > mention > > > that, > > > > too. > > > > > > > > You say that Mars-Venus indicates "impotent people, > > homosexuals, > > > > oversexed people etc." Do you have charts of impotent > people, > > > > homosexuals or sexually confused individuals with Mars- > Venus > > > > conjunction to prove you point? If not, it might be better > not > > to > > > > issue a wholesale comdemnation of this planetary > conjunction as > > it > > > > might scare to death some people who have it in their > > charts. > > > > > > > > Regards, Arno > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "rkbaqaya" <rupkrishen@v...> > wrote: > > > > > Well Kaitheesh,Mars/Venus conjuction in a chart is not > > > considered > > > > to > > > > > be good for the sexual/Married life of a person.This is > > because > > > > Mars > > > > > is the significator of the male sexual vigour in a > horscope > > and > > > > venus > > > > > is the significator of female sexual vigour.The > conjuction > > would > > > > thus > > > > > result in confused sexuality.The amount of confusion is > of > > course > > > > > directly relatable to the proximity of the conjuction.The > > problem > > > > > gets compounded if in such a conjuction venus is stronger > > than > > > > mars > > > > > in the case of a male,which may cause a male to be kind > of > > > > sissy,and > > > > > mars is stronger than venus in the case of a female,which > may > > > > result > > > > > in the female being kind of manly.Thus it is such > conjuctions > > > > which > > > > > produce impotent people,homosexuals,oversexed people etc. > > > > depending > > > > > on the sign and house in which the conjuction is taking > > place,as > > > > also > > > > > the proximity of the conjuction etc.Tula is a sign of > peace > > and > > > > > harmony.Thus aperson having a conjuction of Mars and > venus in > > > > libra > > > > > will seek ideal harmonious love.Whether he gets it or not > > will > > > > depend > > > > > on the totality of the horoscope as also the major > periods > > the > > > > > concerned person will pass through in life.I think this > > should be > > > > > enogh for you to understand.Lot of material regarding > such > > > > conjuction > > > > > is available in various texts.Bye R.K.Baqaya-- In > vedic- > > > > > astrology, "kaitheesh" <kaitheesh> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear memebers, > > > > > > Does the Mars Venus conjunction a sinificant one? > esp > > in > > > > Thulam > > > > > > Rasi in the Rasi chart.In what way this conjunction > affect > > the > > > > > person > > > > > > involved? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > p.v.kaitheesh > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > astrology/info.html > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- @e... > > > > > > ....... 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