Interesting and unpredictable satrun? Reply to Farrukh, Mohini et al

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Om Gurave Namah

 

Dear Farrukh, Mohini and the list,

 

I have been reading up this chain regarding Saturn. I have a few questions.

 

1. You have mentioned that saturn is linked to the longevity of a relationship?

what is the source of this statement? esp so since you havent mentioned the

role of Darapada? How can one come to a conclusion about various relationships

one may/maynot have without the proper study of darapada and the darakaraka?

Isnt marriage also a realtionship? again no mention of the Upapada, it;s lord

and the 2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?

 

2.You have mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what is the source of

this blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting and the crowrd sees on,

saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting and saturn punishes the crowrd too

for not trying to stop the fight? what does that tell you. Instead of saying

statements like mean and selfish, please understand that saturn is only

concenred with justice... and nothing else.

 

3. Regarding the example you have quoted about this person checking the partners

sincerity, how can you say that just because of saturn? You mention venus being

the lord of ascendant and 7th house.you obviously meant venus as lagna lord Or

7th house. Is that enough to have a nice relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd

lord from Upa-pada will tell something else.

 

4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra, i would like to know why? it

cant be just because libra is a house of venus!

 

Regards

 

Hari

 

 

-

farrukhnauman

vedic astrology

Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun?

You are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is concerned, saturn is

very favorable. But you have to take under consideration, other aspects. Saturn

is mean and selfish. When one has a strong saturn, he/she tends to be very mean

and selfish. Often, people with a strong saturn try to either check their

partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just start ignoring

their partner when they are fed up of him/her.Only if venus, lord of ascendant

and lord of seventh are in a favorable contact, then they can favor a nice

relationship. Moon also plays an important part. So, saturn alone is not at all

a good sign for relationships. Venus has got so much influence on saturn, since

saturn is exalted in its house, that it can change the whole scenario.I hope

this helps.Farrukhvedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...>

wrote:> Dearest list members,> > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your

thoughts and experience .... let me> then ask this...> Since you

mentioned the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)influence on> relationships then I

get a little confused ...from what I have read it is> mentioned for example that

one need a strong and dignified Saturn in> comparative charts to create

longevity between the> couples'"love"...otherwise even though there may be good

in the chart(S) in> aspects to each other,there will not be longevity between

the couples?.....> -> "farrukhnauman"

<farrukhnauman>> <vedic astrology>> Monday, September 02,

2002 1:49 AM> [vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable

satrun?> > > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it

comes> > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a> >

chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted saturn> > in his

first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter but> > still that

person never had satisfaction from relationships. Infact,> > all of them

failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully aspecting it.> > If you consult

books regarding the position of saturn in 5th, 7th,> > 10 th house, most of

them will say that it is a very unfavorable> > position for saturn. I don't

know the reason but I can say one thing> > for sure and that is if you read the

biographies of the great> > unorthodox philosophers such as voltaire, you'll

come to know that> > he checked his wife's sincerity and when negative results

came out,> > he just ran away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is> >

normally caused by saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.> > Some people

say that saturn is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old). So,> > this explains

everything. That is why some texts say that if> > someone's saturn is strong

then its quite possible that he'll go in> > seclusion and make his own

philosophy of life.> > That is all I know.> > I hope this helps!> > Farrukh> >

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:> > > Dear

members,> > >> > > Lots of interesting topics these days!> > >> > > May I

ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly unpredictable> > tendency?> > >>

> > When I was going through Sadi Sati....I was at the height> > of my>

> > career and all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought> > wow...isn't

this> > > odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I think> >

I may> > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the> >

Mars/Saturn aspect> > > in general...)> > > Now that Saturn has been in

my 12th house and currently in> > my 1st> > > house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW

the problems have really> > started...from heart> > > ach ...(relationship

stuff)...to family problems....long distance> > > travel..mild

....depression....(which from the Vedic standpoint is> > not> > > auspicious I

have heard)...less satisfaction in the career...> > (although still> > >

working allot)> > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the

ascendant?...than> > the> > > moon?....> > >> > > as an aside...Birth

data...September 26,1958...23:27> > (pm)...Montreal Canada> > > Thanking you

all> > > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd> > >> > > -> >

> "swamyvk" <swamyvk>> > > <vedic astrology>> > > Sent:

Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM> > > [vedic astrology] Re: The

great malefic Saturn> > >> > >> > > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in

Jyestha Nakshatra ruled by> > mercury> > > >> > > > --- In

vedic astrology, prashant narang> > <prashantnarang>> > > > wrote:> >

> > > hi> > > > > where is ur moon?> > > > > prashant> > > > > --- swamyvk

<swamyvk> wrote:> > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the

12th> > > > > > with ketu. I have> > > > > > mixed results as follows:> > > > >

>> > > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first> > > > > >

Sade-saati (7 1/2> > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed a> >

> > > > competitive exam for> > > > > > bank officers in india and became a

bank officer. I> > > > > > was running> > > > > > Venus/Mars or Venus/Rahu

then. Rahu is in my 6th> > > > > > house.> > > > > >> > > > > > 2. In 1990, I

was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my> > > > > > job, and came to> > > > > > the

USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,> > > > > > but complete> > > > >

> support from my B-I-L and sister to get re-educated.> > > > > > I was having

a> > > > > > good time, but I was TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at> > > > > >

the age of 28.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's

position.> > > > > > I was running> > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one

year due to> > > > > > increased tension a zero> > > > > > support from the

immediate boss.> > > > > >> > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in

2000, I was> > > > > > going through> > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety

etc etc. Now also it> > > > > > is no better> > > > > > even though Saturn is in

gemini. Hopefully this will> > > > > > get better.> > > > > > Robert Koch had

made an observation that people with> > > > > > Aquarius> > > > > > ascendants

were going through hell at that time> > > > > > (around 2000-2001)> > > > > >>

> > > > > I do believe that Saturn is the largest planetary> > > > > > force

that makes> > > > > > you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is> > >

> > > generally most> > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But

to> > > > > > be a full benefic> > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays,

preferably> > > > > > Jupiter.> > > > > >> > > > > > Venkatesh> > > > > >> > >

> > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"> > > > > >

<farrukhnauman>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > People often talk about

saturn as if it is the> > > > > > sound of their death> > > > > > > or sorrows

in general. I've found saturn to be one> > > > > > of the strongest> > > > > >

> planets when it comes to career advancement, fame,> > > > > > higher

education> > > > > > > and self-discipline provided the ascendant (lagna)> > >

> > > is aries,> > > > > > taurus,> > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or

aquarius. It'll take> > > > > > me a long time to> > > > > > > quote examples

of famous people who had a strong> > > > > > saturn but I can> > > > > > > tell

everyone this that as long as you've got the> > > > > > ascendants I> > > > > >

> mentioned before and your saturn is in the angles> > > > > > (except 4th> > >

> > > house)> > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and> > > >

> > can also gain much> > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this planet. The

problem> > > > > > with saturn is> > > > > > > that it doesn't have emotions

itself and> > > > > > therefore, people with a> > > > > > > strong saturn are

liable to have failures in love> > > > > > and other> > > > > > > emotional

matters but when it comes to career> > > > > > advancement and fame,> > > > > >

> then you can say that even only a strong saturn is> > > > > > enough to

assure> > > > > > > a great deal of success to you.> > > > > > > I'd definitely

like to hear comments on this.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Farrukh> > > > > >> > >

> > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

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dear mr. Farrukh,

 

the contents as well as language of yr mail is not only distastefull but also

provocative, unwanted and objectionable. u have tried to prove that you are a

great and know all, but in reality showering such languages when somebody does

not aggree with you-shows nothing but your ignorance, very limited knowledge on

the subject and also your conditioned mind set up. let me tell you that here in

this list we all try to keep an atmosphere of hermitage-and all here are

required to maintain that atmosphere and brotherly spirit. this is an absolute

necessity here. if you are able to logically reply questions...reply. else

please refrain from spoiling the atmosphere in this manner.

 

please keep in mind that we all here have got similar openion and respect about

the great ancient science of vedic astrology, as katti has. here we all are

intersted to learn this ancient science only and not somebody's own version.

again, nobody here is at all interested to know what type of advanced 30th

century mind you have got or what is your personal openion about something.

 

most probably, with such an advanced mind of yours and free knowledge you have

generated -i am afraid that you may find this 5th century BC group totally

unsuitable for you.

 

also it seems that your knowledge about the great persons, whom you have

mentioned-is absolutely incomplete.

 

jk dasgupta

 

 

-

farrukhnauman

vedic astrology

Tuesday, September 03, 2002 4:27 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun? Reply to Farrukh, Mohini et al

Mr katti Nehari Paeey,I respect your thoughts and questions but unfortunately I

have got my mind as the source of all statements. I tried my level best to

transform myself into a state-of-the-art robot like you, who can recognize only

those things which are written in texts as old as 5th century BC. I am in the

process of building a time machine and I'll offer you a free ride, once it is

made. I'll send you back in those times where you'll be able to learn directly

from the authors, jyotish, pandit, paendu, wateva. They'll be very happy to

know that they have such a desperate follower in 21st century.I must say that

its a pitty that I can't help you in getting a new mind because your upper

storey is an empty sphere. There must be a way to get a mind into that. I am

trying to contact some leading neurologists who can help you. Every human has

the right to have mind, then why don't anyone think about you.Maybe you

consider yourself as the god of our times, but then again I don't believe in

any god. I feel pitty again. How pathetic!I am mad at myself that why I can't

help preserve such rare piece of art like you.Now you'll be thinking what is

the source of this statement? Guess what! Your mails.Just yesterday I was

chatting with a mindless creature, I don't wanna tell people his name, and he

was telling me that Indian astrology can't be wrong as it is complete.Einstein,

Newton, Stephen Hawking, they were all mad. Why did they try to aquire knowledge

when there is only one knowledge on this planet that can be and is complete,

INDIAN ASTROLOGY. I can't help laughing. hehe!All the great philosophers,

scientists believed that one day their knowledge might be complete but they

were never able to do it. But this person (the mindless creature) was telling

me yesterday that Indian astrology is absolutely complete. Amazing isn't it!I

should contact some supernatural being and ask him/her why only Indian

astrology is the only knowledge that can be and is complete. What is fault of

einstein, newton, hawking?hoohohohohoho!Some people don't know the most

fundamental thing about knowledge and that is DOUBT. Hari, Katti, whateva,

doesn't seem to have any doubts. But I can understand it now. He doesn't have a

mind to think and so to doubt. How can you expect a 90 GB hardisk to doubt.

Whatever you store in it, will be stored. But no thinking!I just hope that

Artificial Intelligence is created before it gets too late for this decaying 70

kg box of iron, steel and silicon.Best of luck! hari, katti, whateva you call

yourself mr robot.SOURCE OF THIS EMAIL is my mind. You can't possible

comprehend what is a mind because you don't have one. haha!Why am I laughing! I

shouldn't make fun of such miserable creatures like you. How pathetic!I really

feel sorry for you. All the members of this group should helps him with his

disability.For free thinkers like myself, I should say that they should carry

on the good work they've been doing. Certain pesticides are in every field to

disturb you. Just carry on!For Mohini, I think that you should not give up.

People like this hari katti, will always be there to act as a real pain in the

ass.Oops! I cut loose on that occasion.Farrukhvedic astrology,

"Katti Narahari" <katti_narahari@h...> wrote:> Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Farrukh,

Mohini and the list,> > I have been reading up this chain regarding Saturn. I

have a few questions.> > 1. You have mentioned that saturn is linked to the

longevity of a relationship? what is the source of this statement? esp so since

you havent mentioned the role of Darapada? How can one come to a conclusion

about various relationships one may/maynot have without the proper study of

darapada and the darakaraka? Isnt marriage also a realtionship? again no

mention of the Upapada, it;s lord and the 2nd from Upa-pada. What about d9?> >

2.You have mentioned Satrun and mean and selfish. Again, what is the source of

this blanket statement? When 2 people are fighting and the crowrd sees on,

saturn punishes all 3. The 2 people fighting and saturn punishes the crowrd too

for not trying to stop the fight? what does that tell you. Instead of saying

statements like mean and selfish, please understand that saturn is only

concenred with justice... and nothing else.> > 3. Regarding the example you

have quoted about this person checking the partners sincerity, how can you say

that just because of saturn? You mention venus being the lord of ascendant and

7th house.you obviously meant venus as lagna lord Or 7th house. Is that enough

to have a nice relationship? Surely an afflicted 2nd lord from Upa-pada will

tell something else.> > 4. Since you mention saturn being exalted in libra, i

would like to know why? it cant be just because libra is a house of venus!> >

Regards> > Hari> > > - > farrukhnauman >

vedic astrology > Monday, September 02, 2002 10:46 PM>

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable satrun?> > > You

are right. As far as the longevity of a relationship is > concerned, saturn is

very favorable. But you have to take under > consideration, other aspects.

Saturn is mean and selfish. When one > has a strong saturn, he/she tends to

be very mean and selfish. > Often, people with a strong saturn try to either

check their > partner's sincerity with their own psycho ways or they just

start > ignoring their partner when they are fed up of him/her.> Only if

venus, lord of ascendant and lord of seventh are in a > favorable contact,

then they can favor a nice relationship. Moon > also plays an important part.

So, saturn alone is not at all a good > sign for relationships. Venus has got

so much influence on saturn, > since saturn is exalted in its house, that it

can change the whole > scenario.> I hope this helps.> > Farrukh> --- In

vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:> > Dearest list

members,> > > > Thank-your ,Faruknauman for your thoughts and >

experience .... let me> > then ask this...> > Since you mentioned

the topic of Saturn and it's (bad?)> influence on> > relationships then I

get a little confused ...from what I have > read it is> > mentioned for

example that one need a strong and dignified Saturn > in> > comparative

charts to create longevity between the> > couples'"love"...otherwise even

though there may be good in the > chart(S) in> > aspects to each

other,there will not be longevity between the > couples?.....> > -----

Original Message -----> > "farrukhnauman" <farrukhnauman>> > To:

<vedic astrology>> > Monday, September 02, 2002 1:49 AM> >

[vedic astrology] Re: Interesting and unpredictable > satrun?> > >

> > > > I tell you one thing. Saturn is the greatest malefic when it >

comes> > > to relationships. I've experienced it all my life. Once I made a>

> > chart of a person with libra ascendant and he had an exalted > saturn>

> > in his first house and venus was in 9th with mercury and jupiter > but>

> > still that person never had satisfaction from relationships. > Infact,>

> > all of them failed. Mars was in third. Saturn was fully > aspecting it.>

> > If you consult books regarding the position of saturn in 5th, > 7th,> >

> 10 th house, most of them will say that it is a very unfavorable> > >

position for saturn. I don't know the reason but I can say one > thing> > >

for sure and that is if you read the biographies of the great> > > unorthodox

philosophers such as voltaire, you'll come to know > that> > > he checked

his wife's sincerity and when negative results came > out,> > > he just ran

away from that place. Unorthodoxy in philosophy is> > > normally caused by

saturn, if not aspected by a strong jupiter.> > > Some people say that saturn

is like an old guy (abt 80yrs old). > So,> > > this explains everything.

That is why some texts say that if> > > someone's saturn is strong then its

quite possible that he'll go > in> > > seclusion and make his own

philosophy of life.> > > That is all I know.> > > I hope this helps!> > >

Farrukh> > > vedic astrology, "Mohini Cox" <mohini@t...> wrote:>

> > > Dear members,> > > >> > > > Lots of interesting topics these

days!> > > >> > > > May I ask a question about Saturn and it's seemingly >

unpredictable> > > tendency?> > > >> > > > When I was going

through Sadi Sati....I was at the > height> > > of my> > > > career and

all seemed very good! Interestingly I thought> > > wow...isn't this> > > >

odd?....since Saturn is in my 6th house aspected my Mars! (I > think> > > I

may> > > > have asked a questions about this a few weeks ago...the> > >

Mars/Saturn aspect> > > > in general...)> > > > Now that Saturn has

been in my 12th house and currently > in> > > my 1st> > > >

house.(Gemini)..oh yes !! NOW the problems have really> > > started...from

heart> > > > ach ...(relationship stuff)...to family problems....long >

distance> > > > travel..mild ...depression....(which from the Vedic

standpoint > is> > > not> > > > auspicious I have heard)...less

satisfaction in the career...> > > (although still> > > > working allot)>

> > > Would/Could Saturn create more havoc over the > ascendant?...than> >

> the> > > > moon?....> > > >> > > > as an aside...Birth data...September

26,1958...23:27> > > (pm)...Montreal Canada> > > > Thanking you all> >

> > respectfully...MohiniMurti dd> > > >> > > > ----- Original Message

-----> > > > "swamyvk" <swamyvk>> > > > To:

<vedic astrology>> > > > Sunday, September 01, 2002 9:12 PM> > >

> [vedic astrology] Re: The great malefic Saturn> > > >> > > >> >

> > > Moon is in Scorpio (23deg 58Min) in Jyestha Nakshatra ruled > by> > >

mercury> > > > >> > > > > vedic astrology, prashant narang> >

> <prashantnarang>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > hi> > > > > > where is

ur moon?> > > > > > prashant> > > > > > --- swamyvk <swamyvk> wrote:>

> > > > > > I have aquarius ascendant with Saturn in the 12th> > > > > > >

with ketu. I have> > > > > > > mixed results as follows:> > > > > > >> >

> > > > > 1. In 1986, My father passed away during the first> > > > > > >

Sade-saati (7 1/2> > > > > > > year period). But at the same time, I passed

a> > > > > > > competitive exam for> > > > > > > bank officers in india and

became a bank officer. I> > > > > > > was running> > > > > > > Venus/Mars or

Venus/Rahu then. Rahu is in my 6th> > > > > > > house.> > > > > > >> > > >

> > > 2. In 1990, I was running Venus/Saturn. I quit my> > > > > > > job, and

came to> > > > > > > the USA. It was a mix of things. No job for 2 yrs,> >

> > > > > but complete> > > > > > > support from my B-I-L and sister to get

re-educated.> > > > > > > I was having a> > > > > > > good time, but I was

TOTALLY DEPENDANT on someone at> > > > > > > the age of 28.> > > > > > >>

> > > > > > 3. In 2000, I got promoted to a Manager's position.> > > > > > > I

was running> > > > > > > SUN/Saturn. I gave it up in one year due to> > > >

> > > increased tension a zero> > > > > > > support from the immediate boss.>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, Ever When Saturn was in Taurus in 2000, I

was> > > > > > > going through> > > > > > > hell. No peace of mind. Anxiety

etc etc. Now also it> > > > > > > is no better> > > > > > > even though

Saturn is in gemini. Hopefully this will> > > > > > > get better.> > > > >

> > Robert Koch had made an observation that people with> > > > > > >

Aquarius> > > > > > > ascendants were going through hell at that time> > >

> > > > (around 2000-2001)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do believe that

Saturn is the largest planetary> > > > > > > force that makes> > > > > > >

you pay for your karma in the previous lives. It is> > > > > > > generally

most> > > > > > > benign for taurus and capricorn ascendants. But to> > > >

> > > be a full benefic> > > > > > > it must receive a benefic's rays,

preferably> > > > > > > Jupiter.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Venkatesh> >

> > > > >> > > > > > > vedic astrology, "farrukhnauman"> > > > >

> > <farrukhnauman>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > People often

talk about saturn as if it is the> > > > > > > sound of their death> > > >

> > > > or sorrows in general. I've found saturn to be one> > > > > > > of

the strongest> > > > > > > > planets when it comes to career advancement,

fame,> > > > > > > higher education> > > > > > > > and self-discipline

provided the ascendant (lagna)> > > > > > > is aries,> > > > > > > taurus,>

> > > > > > > gemini, libra, capricorn or aquarius. It'll take> > > > > > >

me a long time to> > > > > > > > quote examples of famous people who had a

strong> > > > > > > saturn but I can> > > > > > > > tell everyone this that

as long as you've got the> > > > > > > ascendants I> > > > > > > > mentioned

before and your saturn is in the angles> > > > > > > (except 4th> > > > > >

> house)> > > > > > > > or trines, you'll definitely rise very high and> >

> > > > > can also gain much> > > > > > > > fame. Don't be afraid of this

planet. The problem> > > > > > > with saturn is> > > > > > > > that it

doesn't have emotions itself and> > > > > > > therefore, people with a> > >

> > > > > strong saturn are liable to have failures in love> > > > > > > and

other> > > > > > > > emotional matters but when it comes to career> > > > >

> > advancement and fame,> > > > > > > > then you can say that even only a

strong saturn is> > > > > > > enough to assure> > > > > > > > a great deal

of success to you.> > > > > > > > I'd definitely like to hear comments on

this.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Farrukh> > > > > > >> > > > > > >>

> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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