Planets in Devalokamsa in Rama's Chart

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Pranaam Gurudeva,

 

Parasara very clearly wrote:

 

vishnu sthaanam cha kendra syaat

lakshmisthaanam trikonakam |

tadeesayoscha sambandhaat

raajayogah puroditah || BPHS 41-28

 

(Quadrants are Vishnu's places and trines are Lakshmi's places.

Relationship between their lords causes rajayoga as mentioned

earlier.)

 

paarijaate sthitau tau chet

nripo lokaanurakshakah | 41-29

 

(If those TWO planets are in Parijatamsa, he will be a king who

protects people.)

 

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vishnoh sarve(a)vataaraascha

jaayante devalokake || 41-33

 

(All of Vishnu's avataras are born in Devalokamsa.)

 

So verse 41-28 clearly builds the context and the two planets (tau)

in question are a quadrant lord (showing Vishnu) and a trine lord

(showing Lakshmi). If you say that the two planets are Sun and

Jupiter, it does not fit. Jupiter owns 9th and a quadrant lord with

relationship with Jupiter is needed. Sun does not own a quadrant.

Candidates are Moon and Mars. But Jaan said that Mars does not attain

Devalokamsa in Cp (I haven't checked it). If Jaan's table of

Devalokamsa positions is accurate, then only quadrant and trine lords

with a relationship (exchange or conjunction or mutual graha/rasi

drishti) that CAN be in Devalokamsa are Moon and Jupiter and that too

only if Moon is in Punarvasu.

 

If you think I have misunderstood Parasara and Sun is a candidate,

please throw more light on it.

 

Yes, Lord Rama is the highest form of Sun. But what is wrong with

saattwik Sun in saattwik Pisces?

 

BTW, I wrongly remembered that you said that Rama's AK is Sun. You

actually said that explicitly only about Krishna. The chart accepted

by you for Krishna has Sun as AK. I asked you why Moon wasn't

Krishna's AK (given that Krishna is the highest form of Moon) and it

was Sun. I thought you said then that Sun is the naisargika

atmakaraka and the lord of all planets and all of Vishnu's avataras

have Sun as AK. I may have remembered it wrong. If Sun were to be in

Aries in Rama's chart, he cannot be AK.

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

 

> ***Jaya Jagannath***

> Dear Jaan

> Don't break your head more on this. The two planets in Devlokamsa

in Sri

> Rama's chart are Jupiter and the Sun. He is the Sun's highest form

i.e.

> Surya Avatar of Vishnu. When we work with the software I will come

out with

> a lot more on this.

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

> http://sanjayrath.tripod.com

> ***Om Tat Sat***

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Narasimha,

In an earlier post mentioning the importance of understanding the term

Yogakaraka, I have already brought out the need to consider the relationship

between the Lords of the kendra and kona as Narayana and Lakshmi. Now, this is

exactly what you have pointed out. Coming to the chart of Sri Rama, the Sun &

Jupiter become Paraspara Yogakaraka. Thus, their being in mutual quadrants in

Devalokamsa defines Bhagavan's Divinity. Jupiter is the Lord of the ninth house

and Mars that of the tenth house froming the Dharmakarmadhipati Yoga which is

expected in the charts of all Vishnu Avatar. Further, of the two, the ninth

lord "Yada yada Hi Dharmasya..." is stronger and in Devalokamsa. It is likely

that Mars could be in devalokamsa if we use D-charts for D-2 & D-30 which are

slightly different. Anyway leave this for now.

 

We had a very long class today..almost 7 hours from 11 AM to 6 PM. Nobody seemed

to recollect such a statement from me about the AK being the Sun. Instead all

remembered that Moon must be in the Lagna of all Vishnu Avatar.

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

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Monday, December 24, 2001 4:37 AM

[vedic astrology] Planets in Devalokamsa in Rama's Chart

Pranaam Gurudeva, Parasara very clearly wrote: vishnu sthaanam cha kendra

syaatlakshmisthaanam trikonakam |tadeesayoscha sambandhaatraajayogah puroditah

|| BPHS 41-28 (Quadrants are Vishnu's places and trines are Lakshmi's places.

Relationship between their lords causes rajayoga as mentioned earlier.)

paarijaate sthitau tau chetnripo lokaanurakshakah | 41-29 (If those TWO planets

are in Parijatamsa, he will be a king who protects people.) : : : vishnoh

sarve(a)vataaraaschajaayante devalokake || 41-33 (All of Vishnu's avataras are

born in Devalokamsa.) So verse 41-28 clearly builds the context and the two

planets (tau) in question are a quadrant lord (showing Vishnu) and a trine lord

(showing Lakshmi). If you say that the two planets are Sun and Jupiter, it does

not fit. Jupiter owns 9th and a quadrant lord with relationship with Jupiter is

needed. Sun does not own a quadrant. Candidates are Moon and Mars. But Jaan said

that Mars does not attain Devalokamsa in Cp (I haven't checked it). If Jaan's

table of Devalokamsa positions is accurate, then only quadrant and trine lords

with a relationship (exchange or conjunction or mutual graha/rasi drishti) that

CAN be in Devalokamsa are Moon and Jupiter and that too only if Moon is in

Punarvasu. If you think I have misunderstood Parasara and Sun is a candidate,

please throw more light on it. Yes, Lord Rama is the highest form of Sun. But

what is wrong with saattwik Sun in saattwik Pisces? BTW, I wrongly remembered

that you said that Rama's AK is Sun. You actually said that explicitly only

about Krishna. The chart accepted by you for Krishna has Sun as AK. I asked you

why Moon wasn't Krishna's AK (given that Krishna is the highest form of Moon)

and it was Sun. I thought you said then that Sun is the naisargika atmakaraka

and the lord of all planets and all of Vishnu's avataras have Sun as AK. I may

have remembered it wrong. If Sun were to be in Aries in Rama's chart, he cannot

be AK. Your sishya,Narasimha > ***Jaya Jagannath***> Dear Jaan> Don't break your

head more on this. The two planets in Devlokamsa in Sri> Rama's chart are

Jupiter and the Sun. He is the Sun's highest form i.e.> Surya Avatar of Vishnu.

When we work with the software I will come out with> a lot more on this.> Best

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

Though Sun doesn't own a quadrant, he owns the 2nd house of

sustenance and one can argue that it is also a Narayana sthana.

Moreover, he is in a quadrant. So, though Parasara's verse is not

directly satisfied, I guess a case can be made for Sun and Jupiter.

 

> We had a very long class today..almost 7 hours from 11 AM to 6 PM.

Nobody

> seemed to recollect such a statement from me about the AK being the

Sun.

> Instead all remembered that Moon must be in the Lagna of all Vishnu

Avatar.

 

I am not sure if you said this in a telephone call or in a mail.

Nevertheless, whether you said it in the past or not is the main

point for me. What is important to me is to get answers to the

questions. If you don't remember me asking this question before, I

can ask again:

 

The chart you accepted for Krishna has Sun as AK. As Sri Krishna is

the highest form of Moon, shouldn't his AK be Moon? Why is it Sun

instead? Could you kindly answer this?

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha

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***Jaya Jagannath***Dear Narasimha,

I will. first let Patha answer the question he claims to know. Then I will

surely reply, if not to all, but definitely to one as sincere as you.

Best WishesSanjay Rathhttp://sanjayrath.tripod.com***Om Tat Sat***

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Wednesday, December 26, 2001 1:31 PM

[vedic astrology] Re: Planets in Devalokamsa in Rama's Chart

Pranaam Sanjay, Though Sun doesn't own a quadrant, he owns the 2nd house of

sustenance and one can argue that it is also a Narayana sthana. Moreover, he is

in a quadrant. So, though Parasara's verse is not directly satisfied, I guess a

case can be made for Sun and Jupiter. > We had a very long class today..almost

7 hours from 11 AM to 6 PM. Nobody> seemed to recollect such a statement from

me about the AK being the Sun.> Instead all remembered that Moon must be in the

Lagna of all Vishnu Avatar. I am not sure if you said this in a telephone call

or in a mail. Nevertheless, whether you said it in the past or not is the main

point for me. What is important to me is to get answers to the questions. If

you don't remember me asking this question before, I can ask again: The chart

you accepted for Krishna has Sun as AK. As Sri Krishna is the highest form of

Moon, shouldn't his AK be Moon? Why is it Sun instead? Could you kindly answer

this? Your sishya,NarasimhaArchives:

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Pranaam Sanjay,

 

> > questions. If you don't remember me asking this question before, I

> > can ask again:

> >

> > The chart you accepted for Krishna has Sun as AK. As Sri Krishna

is

> > the highest form of Moon, shouldn't his AK be Moon? Why is it Sun

> > instead? Could you kindly answer this?

>

> Dear Narasimha,

> I will. first let Patha answer the question he claims to know. Then

I will

> surely reply, if not to all, but definitely to one as sincere as

you.

> Best Wishes

> Sanjay Rath

 

When I asked this question, I was under the impression that Krishna's

AK should be Moon as he is the highest form of Moon. However, I see

that Ketu cannot be Chara Atma Karaka and yet Vishnu has an avatara

corresponding to Ketu. So, after all, chara atma karaka has nothing

to do with which graha's highest form an avatara is. This shows that

I had a wrong notion.

 

This also means that my understanding of chara atma karaka is

incomplete. I will try to ponder over this further. If you can

elaborate on chara karaka's significance and the significance of the

links between grahas and avataras, that will be beneficial to

everybody.

 

If Moon is my atma karaka, does it mean that my jeevatma is composed

from Moon? If not, what exactly is the meaning? If yes, why can't

anybody's jeevatma be composed from Ketu?

 

Though the chart accepted by us before for Krishna has Sun as AK, a

new chart discovered by me has Mars as AK. There is only one

Sreemukha Sravana Krishna Ashtami night chart during 5000 BC-2000 BC

in which two planets occupying Devalokamsa or higher give a raja

yoga. This chart occurs a couple of hundred years prior to the

previously accepted chart. It has Mars as AK. What exactly is the

meaning if Krishna has Mars as AK?

 

Your sishya,

Narasimha