astro A Bonds hindering spiritual progress

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Respected Sir

 

with due respects and apologies,

 

Should we really have same chapters of gita implemented same way though the

kurukshetra and the rules of game stand much different?

 

Need we not ask for the benefits after we put in years of sincere efforts in

the job/business?

or leave it for our rivals/colleagues?

 

Will our next generation of IT ..listen to us?

 

do we have today any great gurus/Sai Shirdi/Mahapurush that we offer all our

crop and we are sure we get back anything.

WE need more acclimatised rules and regulations and still gain spiritually?

 

regards

Rps

 

-

surya

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:10 PM

Re: Bonds hindering spiritual progress

 

 

dear sir

 

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest.

 

1) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

than Bakthi.

 

2) Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam

vichakshanah' i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to

the Lord, then that is real sacrifice.

 

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work.

 

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

Lord.

 

5) Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

shy.

 

6) In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

teach you the Jnana.

 

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

whatever Baba gave back to him.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

> Sir,

> since money is the root of this whole `samsara'. This may be a

narrow approach if we consider 'karmabhoomi" as janmabhoomi.All

things have been programmed in shrishti(creation).what matter is

what we choose and the spirit involved in the choice.

> hence the sarcasm"Dhanam moolam idam jagat".Ther are many people

(can be said jyotish way)who may not be having the same philosophy

and know the eluding aspects of shristi and reconcile

> krishnan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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reader,

 

 

I think the choice is simple, if you have been able to digest it in real

terms you will be able to at least make an attempt to convey the same to your

children, but if you reject it today itself ( as outdated or irrelevant) there

is a doubt it can not be accepted by next generation.

 

but we never know if Prahalada could be born to Hiranayakaspa and still be

one to be known for his deviotion, compassion, and later a good king.

 

so will the next generation we have to see, if is better each individual

makes his attempt to leave a good balance of karma for himself and the lineage

he leaves behind. rest will come to each individual from tbe B/F of previous

Janmas.

 

Gita has never said accept anything as fate or as it is, it asks each to make

their best efforts and leave the fruit,results to God, after all faith is

important, just like how dispair, disappointment, depression. jealousy, hatret,

are counterproductive to anyone.

 

IF YOU HAVE FAITH THAT YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK YOU WILL CONTINUE TO GET

GOOD INPUTS, GOOD OUTPUTS.

 

HARD WORK HAS ONLY ONE RESULT, SUCCESS sooner or later. it doesn't matter

today if your fiends or rivals get the things earlier than you or I do get.we

too will get it when we are due to get it.

 

I hope my few lines are clear and not complicated reading else please befree

to write back.I am just an observer no authority in these matters.

 

when we witness events as an observer it is easyer than as one who is a

target/victim, just like how people come, go, thoughts come, go, happiness,

sadness comes and goes, success or failures too will come and go. we need to

move on not getstuck in any particular moment, event, even if we do the event

is past so can't be reversed

 

all that the religious, spiritual works help us in understand a few

situations in lfie they are not hard fast rules or dye-casted.

 

they help us in our life course as a river bank does to the river waters,

just bend our ways to sea. here the supreme state-moksha it is unfortunately

not on EMI *easy monthly instalments) but HARD LIFE TESTING FACTORS

 

Prashant

 

jyotish <jyotish.bh wrote: Respected Sir

 

with due respects and apologies,

 

Should we really have same chapters of gita implemented same way though the

kurukshetra and the rules of game stand much different?

 

Need we not ask for the benefits after we put in years of sincere efforts in

the job/business?

or leave it for our rivals/colleagues?

 

Will our next generation of IT ..listen to us?

 

do we have today any great gurus/Sai Shirdi/Mahapurush that we offer all our

crop and we are sure we get back anything.

WE need more acclimatised rules and regulations and still gain spiritually?

 

regards

Rps

 

-

surya

Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:10 PM

Re: Bonds hindering spiritual progress

 

 

dear sir

 

The scriptures say that your sacrifice of money is highest.

 

1) In the very beginning itself (second Adhyaya), Gita says that the

fruit of the work must be sacrificed (Karmajam Buddhi Yuktahi Phalam

Tyaktva Maneeshinah). This means that realized scholars sacrifice

the fruit of the work. Gita keeps sacrifice of the fruit of the work

on the top most level. Gita says `Jnanat dhyanam visishyate, Dhyanat

Karma Phala Tyagah'i.e., Bhakti (devotion) is better than Jnana

(knowledge) and sacrificing the fruit of your work (money) is better

than Bakthi.

 

2) Gita says `Sarva karma Phala tyagam', `prahuh tyagam

vichakshanah' i.e., if you can give the fruit of the entire work to

the Lord, then that is real sacrifice.

 

3)`Na karmana, Na prajaya, Dhanena, tyage naike Amritatvam Aanasuh'

i.e., you cannot attain God by selfish work or the children. You

can attain God only by sacrificing your money for God's work.

 

4)The first words of the first Upanishath (Easavaasyam) says, `Tena

tyaktena Bhunjeedah' `Ma gradha ha kasyasvit Dhanam' i.e., this

entire world is the money of the Lord. Take whatever you require

from His wealth; don't take extra which is not permitted by the

God. If you have taken, you are a thief. Return it back to the

Lord.

 

5) Veda says `Samvidha' `Shraddhayaa' `Hriya' `Bhiya dheyam', i.e.,

return the extra to the Lord in human form after recognizing Him

through His Jnana. Wait patiently till you recognize the Lord in

human form. When you are donating your money to Him (actually you

are giving Him His own money) you should give it with fear and feel

shy.

 

6) In Yoga Vasistha the Guru Vasista says to Rama (Dhanamarjaya)

i.e., bring money and offer it to me as Guru Dakshina before I can

teach you the Jnana.

 

Shirdi Sai used to ask Guru Dakshina from everybody to teach this

important sacrifice. He criticized a merchant who came for Brahma

Jnana but was not giving even Rs.5/- from his pocket. Mr. Patil, a

farmer used to donate the entire yearly crop to Baba and took back

whatever Baba gave back to him.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

> Sir,

> since money is the root of this whole `samsara'. This may be a

narrow approach if we consider 'karmabhoomi" as janmabhoomi.All

things have been programmed in shrishti(creation).what matter is

what we choose and the spirit involved in the choice.

> hence the sarcasm"Dhanam moolam idam jagat".Ther are many people

(can be said jyotish way)who may not be having the same philosophy

and know the eluding aspects of shristi and reconcile

> krishnan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE TASTE

OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

 

a.. Visit your group "" on the web.

 

b..

 

c..

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

 

 

 

 

 

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Differentiate Satguru & Guru

 

In the word Satguru, the prefix `Sat' means truth. A Satguru always

preaches the truth. Truth is always harsh and is not liked by

several people. Therefore a Satguru will have only very few

disciples. A Satguru says that the path with thorns will lead to the

Lord. People will not like this. He also says that the path with

flowers leads to hell. People will not be happy with this preaching.

A Guru preaches which several people like. The Guru says that the

nature of the goal will be the nature of the path. Since the Lord is

full of bliss the path also must be with flowers giving happiness.

Since the hell is giving you lot of pain the path with thorns which

also gives lot of pain must lead to the hell. This argument is very

attractive.

 

Several people will like this and will become the followers of Guru.

Several people will praise him and give lot of Guru Dakshina because

his argument is pleasant. But a Satguru says that the path with

thorns alone will lead to the Lord because in this path you have to

cut the bonds with your family and with your hard-earned money.

Sacrifice gives lot of pain and sacrifice alone will lead to the

Lord. The path with flowers strengthens your bonds with your family

and money which gives you lot of happiness. Such path leads to the

hell.

 

Several people do not like such argument and so only one or two

persons who can realize the truth will become His disciples. A

Satguru will never worry about the number of the disciples and about

the quantity of Guru Dakshina. Even if a single disciple is

available He is happy. Majority always goes to hell. Only one in

millions like Sankara, Vivekananda, Meera can reach the Lord.

Diamonds are always in minority. Gravel stones are in majority.

Therefore a Satguru will be only one in thousands of Gurus and a

true disciple will be only one in millions of disciples.

 

When you are doing prayers you are praising the Lord as a poet

praises a king. The foolish king may give some gift to the poet. But

the omniscient Lord can never be fooled by such praise. When you

sing songs are chant the name of the Lord or express the feelings of

devotion by shedding tears or by meditation you are getting the

happiness and peace immediately. You have achieved the fruit. The

Lord will not give another fruit for these things. When you are

pained and loose peace by cutting the family bonds and by

sacrificing your work and wealth to the Lord, then only the Lord

will give the real gift to you. When you are working in the field

for the owner, doing the work pains you. The owner will pay money

for your work. Without doing the work, if you are simply chanting

the name of the owner or sing songs on the owner, a wise owner will

never give any gift.

 

You have already derived the bliss and peace by eating the sweet in

your hand. Why should I pay you when you are eating the sweet? When

you sacrifice the sweet to me I shall pay you. A Satguru teaches

only the sacrifice which is the path with thorns leading to the

Lord. Veda says that sacrifice alone can bring the grace of the Lord

(Dhanene Tyagenaike). If you ask the payment by prayers and devotion

the Lord will pay you from your pocket only. He will bring the

results of good deeds from your future life cycles and present them

to you. But when you are sacrificing the sweet to the Lord in spite

of your hunger and your heart pain, the Lord rewards you from His

pocket. Therefore the true path leading to the Lord can be

identified by loss of peace, mental worry, pain etc., The path to

the hell is identified by peace, happiness, benefit etc., Satguru

leads you to the Lord and Guru leads you to the hell.

 

at the lotus feet of shri datta swami

surya

www.universal-spirituality.org

 

"jyotish" <jyotish.bh wrote:

> Respected Sir

> with due respects and apologies,

> Should we really have same chapters of gita implemented same way

though the kurukshetra and the rules of game stand much different?

> Need we not ask for the benefits after we put in years of

sincere efforts in the job/business? or leave it for our

rivals/colleagues? Will our next generation of IT ..listen to us?

> do we have today any great gurus/Sai Shirdi/Mahapurush that we

offer all our crop and we are sure we get back anything.

> WE need more acclimatised rules and regulations and still gain

spiritually?

> regards

> Rps