Jupiter doesn't destroy the house/sign it is in, in a natal chart 3/4-well done

April 3, 2006

Hi Bharat

It is good u put it order, I hope the so called researchers did same, than

make statements and claim them to be gospel, and decry age old norms like what

u just listed and ask us to prove otherwise.

in ur point no 6 i have to add some [relationship or sambandha as stated by

Uttarakalamrutha by Kalidasa]

Sambandha is 5 types

1 by onwership

2 by placement

3 by aspects

4 by conjunctions

5 by parivartana which is the highest form of raja yoga karaka

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IF THE supposed planet good or bad doesn't give expected

results

check the Shad bala, ashtakavara strength, transits above all the DAsa at the

time

and shastiamsa D-60 sometimes a krora shastimsa placed Graha can give opposite

results even exaltation may not help.

likewise the Pushkara and Mrityu Bhagas too.

merely trying to fit in or arrive at some answer won't help [by mixing some

systems] u need to work ur way thru a chart and all this comes from whatever

knowledge, experience we may have but clincing part comes only with devine

grace [intution], as we can only interpret god's will in a limited way, if he

wills us to be of some use to the queiiest.

we can't claim more to his genius and ways. than being his tools.

Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote: Namaskaar All

Take the Graha as the desire and its power as its force. The Rasi is the

environment. When desire is not fulfilled, it causes deep frustrations.

Jupiter in an enemy rasi means that the individual cannot carry out the

purposeful dharma. If Jupiter is strong, it means that the know-how of

Dharma is strong.

In such a case, Jupiter either tries to change the environment by its power

or feels deep frustration.

To check any Graha and its results, it is important to see the following:

1. Graha's Nature

2. Graha's Significations as per house rulership

3. Strength of Graha

4. The Rasi wherein it is located

5. Whether or not Rasi is conducive to the Graha

6. Is there a relationship between the Graha and the Rasi Lord

7. Is there permanent or temporary friendship or enmity

If you take Jupiter per se, it is a benign graha. However, when it cannot

fulfill what it seeks to do, then, it can be the indirect cause of deep

seated guilt and a split personality. Moreover, on account of house

lordships, Jupiter can express some malefic nature.

Hope the above is helpful.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

On 4/2/06, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi RR,

>

> Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with ease by

> anyone.

>

> Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a Malefic or sign

> spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still leave the field

> open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on the forum easy to

> handle that.

>

> If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will chip in I will

> do my part ASAP..

>

> Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as interesting

> to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani, Michel Jackson, Laloo

> Prsad Yadav etc.

> u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people in it.

>

> PRASHANT

>

> crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

>

> So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by your strong

> statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that astrologers have,

> namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in or can be a malefic.

>

> The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally, that your

> conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in charts and

> which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

> illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was a simple

> request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

>

> Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-) And clarity

> was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of your longer

> post.

>

> RR

>

> , Prashant Kumar G B

> <gbp_kumar wrote:

> >

> > HiRR,

> >

> > pretty fast though.

> >

> > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may examples of

> it beingbenific right?

> > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r prepared

> to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest, selfless,

> as human as possible

> > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r in, so

> the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> >

> > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how has not

> made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure malefic,

> not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure will then

> some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u allow it

> can put them accross. SURE.

> >

> > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and wrote back

> else would be in circles on what u meant.

> >

> > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an atheist,

> my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far better

> people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even the ones

> who failed in the normal standards.

> >

> > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values with an

> OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs, values.

> >

> > Prashant

> > prashant

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > Bravo!

> > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting this age-

> old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your bold

> statement

> > and astrological conviction!

> >

> > Dhanyavaad

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house he is in

> or is a malefic etc.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

> RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

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> >

>

> SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND RELISH THE

> TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

>

> Visit your group "" on the web.

>

> Prashant

>

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April 3, 2006

dear prashant ji

perhaps the belligerent bush type pre-emptive strike policies have

come into all fields. people first paint someone bad and then ask

him to show that he is not bad.

with best wishes

arjun

, Prashant Kumar G B

<gbp_kumar wrote:

>

> Hi Bharat

>

> It is good u put it order, I hope the so called researchers did

same, than make statements and claim them to be gospel, and decry

age old norms like what u just listed and ask us to prove otherwise.

>

> in ur point no 6 i have to add some [relationship or sambandha

as stated by Uttarakalamrutha by Kalidasa]

>

> Sambandha is 5 types

> 1 by onwership

> 2 by placement

> 3 by aspects

> 4 by conjunctions

> 5 by parivartana which is the highest form of raja yoga karaka

>

> AND MOST IMPORTANTLY IF THE supposed planet good or bad doesn't

give expected results

> check the Shad bala, ashtakavara strength, transits above all

the DAsa at the time

> and shastiamsa D-60 sometimes a krora shastimsa placed Graha can

give opposite results even exaltation may not help.

> likewise the Pushkara and Mrityu Bhagas too.

>

> merely trying to fit in or arrive at some answer won't help [by

mixing some systems] u need to work ur way thru a chart and all

this comes from whatever knowledge, experience we may have but

clincing part comes only with devine grace [intution], as we can

only interpret god's will in a limited way, if he wills us to be of

some use to the queiiest.

>

> we can't claim more to his genius and ways. than being his tools.

>

> Bharat Hindu Astrology <hinduastrology wrote:

Namaskaar All

>

> Take the Graha as the desire and its power as its force. The

Rasi is the

> environment. When desire is not fulfilled, it causes deep

frustrations.

> Jupiter in an enemy rasi means that the individual cannot carry

out the

> purposeful dharma. If Jupiter is strong, it means that the know-

how of

> Dharma is strong.

>

> In such a case, Jupiter either tries to change the environment

by its power

> or feels deep frustration.

>

> To check any Graha and its results, it is important to see the

following:

> 1. Graha's Nature

> 2. Graha's Significations as per house rulership

> 3. Strength of Graha

> 4. The Rasi wherein it is located

> 5. Whether or not Rasi is conducive to the Graha

> 6. Is there a relationship between the Graha and the Rasi Lord

> 7. Is there permanent or temporary friendship or enmity

>

> If you take Jupiter per se, it is a benign graha. However, when

it cannot

> fulfill what it seeks to do, then, it can be the indirect cause

of deep

> seated guilt and a split personality. Moreover, on account of

house

> lordships, Jupiter can express some malefic nature.

>

> Hope the above is helpful.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

> On 4/2/06, Prashant Kumar G B <gbp_kumar wrote:

> >

> > Hi RR,

> >

> > Well it is good to read 2 good mails that can be read with

ease by

> > anyone.

> >

> > Here i felt u wud come up examples galore on Guru as a

Malefic or sign

> > spoiler if this was the accepted or pouplar norm, I still

leave the field

> > open for u and any1 who belives so to put such charts on the

forum easy to

> > handle that.

> >

> > If it is about it not being a malefic I am sure many will

chip in I will

> > do my part ASAP..

> >

> > Bottom line if Guru is a benific their lives may not be as

interesting

> > to read as Bill Gates, Marlyn Manro, Dhribhai Ambani, Michel

Jackson, Laloo

> > Prsad Yadav etc.

> > u can see a Lal Bahudur Shastry, Manmohan Singh type people

in it.

> >

> > PRASHANT

> >

> > crystal pages <jyotish_vani wrote: Prashant,

> >

> > So that clarity does not get watered down. I was taken by

your strong

> > statement of conviction that opposed the "notions" that

astrologers have,

> > namely that jupiter destroys the house it is in or can be a

malefic.

> >

> > The strong statement from you made me assume, naturally,

that your

> > conviction was born out of having seen strong evidence in

charts and

> > which you may wish to share so that we can see your statement

> > illustrated. As a general statement, please note that this was

a simple

> > request which need not get anyone on the defensive, etc.

> >

> > Hope that was clear and not too painful to figure out :-)

And clarity

> > was the sole reason for my focusing only on one segment of

your longer

> > post.

> >

> > RR

> >

> > , Prashant Kumar G B

> > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > HiRR,

> > >

> > > pretty fast though.

> > >

> > > well i assume u mean that it is a malefic and not may

examples of

> > it beingbenific right?

> > > I said it is benefic in past Yogas and in present if u r

prepared

> > to wait till it delivers, and also if one remain honest,

selfless,

> > as human as possible

> > > not possibe in the commercial, materialsitic world we r

in, so

> > the varoiuos exaples I said if we don't bribe...

> > >

> > > if u find unseccessful people by which i mean one how

has not

> > made a fortune, u can pick his Guru for it.

> > > for people who succed by hook or crook GURU is a pure

malefic,

> > not sure if I have to repeat it again or with charts sure

will then

> > some moderator will say no personal charts, openions if u

allow it

> > can put them accross. SURE.

> > >

> > > anyway am happy u clipped some part of the mail and

wrote back

> > else would be in circles on what u meant.

> > >

> > > any way for record sake my paternal grandfather was an

atheist,

> > my father is a rationalist, and I can say I AM MIiX of

> > rationalst+traditionalist but know our forefathers r far

better

> > people highly evolved we have no way of judging them even

the ones

> > who failed in the normal standards.

> > >

> > > so I am only trying to understand our traditions, values

with an

> > OPEN MIND. and still reasoning it with our current needs,

values.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > > prashant

> > >

> > > crystal pages <jyotish_vani@> wrote: Prashant,

> > >

> > > Bravo!

> > > We would welcome your posting several birthdata refuting

this age-

> > old but not quite corroborated 'notion' to align with your

bold

> > statement

> > > and astrological conviction!

> > >

> > > Dhanyavaad

> > >

> > > RR

> > >

> > > , Prashant Kumar

G B

> > > <gbp_kumar@> wrote:

> > > > I DISAGREE with notions that Guru spoils the house

he is in

> > or is a malefic etc.

> > >

> > > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY

AND

> > RELISH THE TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> > >

Vedic

> > astrology

Astrology

> > chart Astrology

> > software

> >

> > >

> > > Visit your group "" on the web.

> > >

Terms of

> > Service.

> > >

> > > Prashant

> > >

> > > Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls

using

> > Messenger with Voice.

> > >

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE

> > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Visit your group "" on the web.

> >

> > Terms

of Service.

> >

> > Prashant

> >

> > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-

Phone call

> > rates.

> >

> > SURRENDER JOYFULLY TO THE WILL OF THE ULTIMATE DIVINITY AND

RELISH THE

> > TASTE OF ABSOLUTE BLISS.

> >

> > Vedic astrology</gads?

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>

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>

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>

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