Guest guest Posted February 15, 2006 Report Share Posted February 15, 2006 Hi Nalini, and other members who have added their bit in this quest of Ishta devathas, there r a few points here as I get them 1. athestis to theisists 2. which deity 3. astro indicators if any 4. role of dasa and or a planet, gochara 5. diff systems of Jyotishya. Point 1 the PITAMAHA OF literature Valmaki is the best example of tthe question, and later Pandavapur's Pundalik a Vittala devotee later earlier a vagabound. Vemana also same story. Purandara Dasa a merchant became a saint, composer. Swami Vivekananda too. in some level. point 2. Astrological magazine edited by B V Raman had given a September issue in 70's and 80's about these, which to choose my recollection is the 5th House, 5th amsa, aspects or the strongest of them, Pancha Amsa are the main pointers to which deity. Brodalty speaking Vishnu Sahasranamam is supposed to the most effictive remedy for several ailments, hurdles in life which gives a lot of strenght direction too. like wise Aditya Hrudayam for overcoming nerves, competition, excelling etc. Sundara Khanda some parvas are prescribed for mental strength, cardiac disorders [aranya parva] frankly speaking my paternal grand father was a Engineeer with multiple degrees some 24 in all died at the age of 47, did the Metur dam, has a scholarship on his name in Guindy Eng col, and IIS Balr run by them not family].an ATHESIT Himself, just at the last minute of his life asked my father to recite a prayer which was printed in his school books [Hindu High school triplicane had every page with sri rama jayam or so] as Bagacad Gita says he who thinks of me in the last moment will reach me...! my fater is a rationalist, to sme extent we r all too [fmaily] but have more faith in our religion, forefathers as surely they hd some merrit, logic unless we go to the depths in the spiritual quests and then debate it it is worth any comment good or bad else not our business to question their wisdom, we r too ordinary souls than the saints who live/d in our holy land. Point 3 and 4 indicated above, the 5th hose, assas etc, DASA of these must operate for it to happen like any other yoga or avayoga, transits r facilitators to it. like u pointed out Sukra being materialsitic so is RAHU, and the rider is if the succeding dada of Ravi for sukra and Guru for rahu if not well placed the native becomes a pauper and has to start a fresh-clean slate. above all good dasas must happen in prime of life, no use if they happen as kids or in old age. Point 5 Parashari systems doesn't follow Atmakarakas, as their it comes under avasthas so a atmakaraka is in Vriddha avastha so USE ONE SYSTEMat a time and stick to it. Dasas Parashara clearly said in Kali Yuga it is UDU DASA OR VIMSHOTTARI ONLY NOTTHING ELSE. anyone can read Brihat Parashara Hora shastra Vol 1 for this. by Vishwanath press or NNK RAO, nnk's is found in Sivanada Ashram only or Adyar Library Madras, or G K sharmas works, r santanam is dull work Prashant 9840051861/42110983/24340186 auromirra19 <nalini2818 wrote: Respected RR ji, First my apology to the forum I dont know why my post gets replicated at times. I also find atheists become greater bhaktas if at all they choose to be because as you said they are too passionate, be it onthis side or the other.Yes you are right. I want to truly go about learning Astrology but am flummoxed by the numerous approaches/systems and would'nt know where and what to start. The Mahadashas and the antardashas of the karmic planets like Saturn, which teach a lesson or two or venus, during whose dasha natives are said to acquire material comforts, do they give the native their slant? Can jolly fellows become truly gloomy/pessimistic? and vice versa and do they bounce back, shake off their mantle? Because lessons learnt normally do remain for a life time, I am talking about this life time I woudnt know about pastlives , as i am finding it difficult recollecting experiences of this lifetime even. It it also true that these shape the native in the ever learning process life is. Is there any way to cushion the fall,when you know you are falling, taking notes from the planets? regards Nalini , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb wrote: > > Auromirra, > > My two cents. I think, based on the little experience that I > remember clearly (i.e., acquired in this lifetime!)the 'atheists' > are generally more passionate and committed in a sense than > the 'bhaktas'. Atheists tend to ask questions, have an easier task > in general because overall it is easier to disprove the existence of > God and even spiritual realm than otherwise! Given the *reality* > most of us have chosen to live in! > > Regarding dashas, there are problems: Which dashas are you > specifically talking about (books and articles abound with at times > each chart and event being explained by a different dasha -- kind of > like the tropical/western asteroid scene -- and everyone here can > vouch that I am not a cynic! ;-) > > Also, dasha of what kind of planet? What kind of role it is playing, > how strongly, how so qualitatively (reminds me of the ruby wedding > ring I wrote about minutes ago and the granddaughter). > > If arudhas are about Maya and appearances or external perceptions > (perceived appearances) as Jaimini scholars tell us, maybe > atmakarakas coming from the same systems should not be automatically > taken as some sort of core descriptor, that too just based on the > longitude. Those who have really delved into the core of self and > others, hopefully agree that one planet would not be able to explain > it that easily, that readily! > > Some of us have experienced few births, others have experienced many > if not 8400000! Some even claim to remember a few of those! > Obviously, it is not a simple story! > > RR > > > , "auromirra19" > <nalini2818@> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > Is it possible that natives turn to Gods and worship during a > > particular dasha even having been atheists and non believers? > > Similarly do natives who turn spiritual during certain dasha get > > back to the mundane or rather become less inclined spiritually at > > the expiry of the dasha? As I understand that dashas and > > atmakaraks .... are responsible for the convictions, beliefs, > > religion, spirituality, worship, materialism, etc. > > or Is it that the basic signature of the chart remains unchanged > > and the above are more pronounced or come to the forefront during > a > > particular dasha? > > Because I have found people suddenly from being atheists become > > ardent devotees. How is this phenomenon astrologically explained? > > regards > > Nalini > > , vattem krishnan > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > Mistakes/aberrations/inconsistencies emnates during > > dashaas..otherwise a normal humanbeing very vociferous about his > > attitudes do not normally deviate from his thinking/conduct of > life > > but for the influence externally taking place (through some > > teachings/readings). > > > In the pursuit of truth whether through bhakti marga/vedanta > or > > through other means(meta physical aspects) human beings normally > get > > stranded and find themselves impressed by a school of > thought.More > > than this as a choice,things do happen beyond their control and > > later find that change has noconviction. > > > Bhakti may be a wavering aspect as environment tends to > > influence all living beings.Few would certainly understand and > find > > the path to tread is definete and imbibe in their thoughts and > > mind.It is therefore beyond us to measure the extent of bhakti > they > > endorse. > > > God forbid such change as all convictions arise out of faith > and > > do not merit any grade.Humans have definete way of life to fear at > > things beyond control and would always enedeavour to improve their > > confidence.In the process the prayers(iam not referring here to > > bhakti) become handy to address to a Supreme lord(be it > > Allah/Jesus/Mary/Bahai).This helps the native to come out from his > > hallow and find that much of time utilised for praying helps the > > native to tackle his future by growing confidence. > > > Problem for most of the natives is they identify their own > > targets(has it's own base through jyotish).desire to pursue but > find > > to fail in efforts and others do not have any means to chart their > > own life and remain in their own world.In the process the > > environment in which they exist influence and get convinced and > > pursue the path.others think of their inability and look for the > > Almighty to stand by them to achieve their targets.So this > approach > > has certainly has no link with bahkti.People admit their > > helplessness and resort to prayers to boost their own levels > > abilities through confidence to handle their situations.These > > processes find somebody worshipping Hindu God (may be Ishata > Devata) > > others some other Gods.very few no prayer and no God. > > > Ishta Devata normally is not identified as a matter of > > choice.families have their own deities known as Kula Devatas > though > > not declared but intend to meet occassionally and use time for > some > > reverrance and express their gratitude to the Supreme. Their > outlook > > to Nature includes an External Force that guides one and all and > > rever to that faith.Ishta devatas accordingly are promoted and > > scriptures to envisage .In modern times where people have lot of > > deviations coming out of explosion of communications become > > evaporative and vascillate between different faiths and > > religions.ofcourse there is unity in diversity > > > regards > > > krishnan > > > > > > rohiniranjan <rrgb@> wrote: > > > Though not absolute and definitive and can be arguably > defended, > > the > > > fact that some people change their religion, several times, and > > > allegience to deities and prophets more than once, indicates to > me > > > that even there there is freedom of choice and room for making > > > mistakes and errors and yet getting back into track eventually. > > > > > > True bhakti and allegience should not be influenced strongly by > > > dashas and transits, one would surmise, but real life evidence > > > indicates that bhakti is not all that constant or written in > > stone, > > > metaphorically speaking! > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , vattem krishnan > > > <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > Incase you want to choose(is there any choice?)Ishta devata > > with > > > moon in debilitation in kujas sign could naturally be swayambhu > > > (SIVA) or other way mother nature durga as atamakarak is sun > > > > krishnan > > > > > > > > dor dor <dokostyan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Pandits and friends. > > > > In different traditions Shani said to be a significator of > > > Narayan- Pradjapati-Yama-Kurmavatar and so on. Some tantric > > sources > > > say that Kali also can show Shani. > > > > Many years ago I was initiated in Tantric mantra of > > Mahalakshmi > > > and I meditated on it in regular metter. I was a very young and > > did > > > just what respected adultes told me to do. I had some good > > moments > > > in my practice, but for a few year I started to realise it is > not > > > my mantra, not my Devata .Now I spontaniously see in my > > meditation > > > black naced lady with golden decorations and feel bliss. I am > > > Vrishchik with Chandra in Mina, Surya as Atmakaraka. In Navamsa > > 12- > > > th house from Surya is Cancer with re-moving Shani. Cold anyone > > > kindly tell me anything about a corect way to choose Ishta in > my > > > case. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: dear > > > ashutosh ji > > > > > > > > while appreciating and endorsing all your views mentioned in > > > this > > > > mail, i feel it is not prudent to share threads of Vedic > > > Astrology > > > > group in this group that too without the knowledge of those > > > members > > > > since most of them are not active here. Few astrologers > have > > > > started cross posting which is not good. the objective of > > such > > > > cross posting members is that he put his (right or wrong) > view > > > on > > > > the top of a thread and post it in another group and when > none > > > of > > > > the members in the thread answer, this cross poster got his > > > point > > > > scored and gets an image in that group. this is a cheap > > > technique > > > > used by people who wish to earn fame by hook. > > > > > > > > i have already requested tanvir ji in a private mail about > > these > > > > cross postings and if he allows such most knowledgeful > > members' > > > > views masked by this cross poster in this group without even > > > making > > > > them aware. > > > > > > > > ashutoshji, needless to say i agree 100% with your views and > > > > opinions and my lament is only about cross posting and not > > your > > > mail. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and regards > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > --- In > , "astrologerashutosh" > > > > <astrologerashutosh@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > A lot of bashing of gemstone > > > prescribing > > > > astrologers is going on. The alternative to gemstones has > been > > > given > > > > as worship of god and mantras, by some members. > > > > > > > > > > I do not believe in any god or religion. But, I > > > prescribe > > > > gemstones to those who can afford them. To say that the gems > > > have no > > > > effect at all is also a hardline opposition, which again is > > not > > > a > > > > healthy approach to this subject. > > > > > > > > > > But, it is not a simple matter to prescribe gems > > after > > > > analysing a horoscope. Only one or two gems, at most, are > > > suitable > > > > for any individual. Sometimes, no gems at all are required > and > > a > > > few > > > > simple changes in lifestyle are enough a solutions. > > > > > > > > > > I have personally observed the effects of gems on > > > myself > > > > and others. They work very well and have excellent results > if > > > worn > > > > in the right way. > > > > > > > > > > About the chanting of mantras and worships. Belief > > is > > > a > > > > very strong force. For one who is a believer in God, worship > > is > > > a > > > > potent solution. But, peforming havans and grand poojas is > > many > > > a > > > > times a pretty worse remedy than wearing expensive > gemstones. > > > Not > > > > every astrologer knows the correct methods of performing > > yagyas. > > > > > > > > > > Has anyone wondered why the priest-cum- astrologers > > are > > > > emphasising more on havans and yagyas than gemstones? Here > is > > > the > > > > actual reason- > > > > > > > > > > Suppose, a client contacts me and I prescribe a > > Yellow > > > > Sapphire for him. He has no compulsion to buy the sapphire > > from > > > me. > > > > He has a lot of choices like his family jeweller, his friend > > who > > > > knows some good dealer, a good contact in a good place, etc. > > If > > > I > > > > emphasise on him buying the gem only from me, he will > suspect > > my > > > > integrity straightaway. > > > > > > > > > > But, for poojas, I can always emphasize that a > havan > > > > prescribed by me can be performed correctly only under my > > > guidance. > > > > It also gives a religious aura to the proceedings which is > > > enough to > > > > cloud most of the people's reasonings. Then, even if the > cost > > of > > > the > > > > havan is more than any normal gemstone's price, the client > > will > > > > faithfully pay for it. > > > > > > > > > > The same people who hesitate to wear a gemstone > have > > > been > > > > found to spend double the amount on Kaal Sarpa poojas, > > > > Mahamrityunjaya yagyas and so on. > > > > > > > > > > When one buys a gem, at least he has something > > worthy > > > on > > > > his finger which has some value. What about a havan or > yagya? > > > > Whether it is performed correctly or not, the individual is > > left > > > > with only the blessings and ashes in the havan kunda. Only > the > > > > priest is happy and with a heavy pocket. > > > > > > > > > > The gems need not be very expesive and flawless. > > Some > > > > inclusions, silk, fibres are permitted. Even though a gem > may > > be > > > > expensive, it may not be astrologically suitable to be worn. > > On > > > the > > > > other hand, a cheap and simple gem may give excellent > results. > > > > > > > > > > A good astrologer earns so well from consultations > > > only > > > > that he does not really need any profit from the gemstone > > sales. > > > The > > > > gemstone business has its own headaches and no serious > > > astrologer > > > > prefers to get embroiled in it. I get gemstones only for > those > > > > clients who are not able to get them from anywhere else, due > > to > > > > their lack of experience or knowledge or contacts. Still, > the > > > fear > > > > that my honesty and integrity are at stake, keeps haunting > me, > > > even > > > > though my clients have their full faith in me. > > > > > > > > > > Those who lack astrological expertise seek to earn > > by > > > > gemstone sales and havan-poojas. I had received an email > from > > a > > > > person from UK who told me that a Guruji has recommended > > Neelam > > > to > > > > him and he will charge around 1000 pounds for it. 700 pounds > > for > > > the > > > > gem and 300 for the purification pooja. > > > > > > > > > > I asked him to buy the gem but to purify it free > of > > > cost > > > > himself at his home and told him the method too through e- > > mail. > > > > > > > > > > I never prescribe any havans or yagyas to anyone. > > Yes! > > > > Colour therapies, the daan or donations and self-chanting of > > > > mantras, can be found in remedies given by me. > > > > > > > > > > The best remedies are to bring changes in > lifestyle > > > and > > > > behaviour. Sadly, everyone wants a quick-fix solution. One > > does > > > not > > > > want to change one's own behaviour towards others, but > expects > > > > others to change. > > > > > > > > > > I often get the queries like, "Please prescribe > some > > > > remedy so that my health and finances should improve but I > am > > > still > > > > able to drink and gamble to my satisfaction, everyday." What > > can > > > one > > > > suggest for such a person? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Ashutosh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [The services of this astrologer are free on the astrology > > > group, > > > > but consultations on personal e-mail are chargeable] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > sharad kotak > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > Sunday, 12 February, 2006 13:25 > > > > > Re:Jyotish Gem - P. Kumar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear P. Kumar, > > > > > > > > > > I appreciated your efforts to bring the facts to the > > > > surface.Sooner or later , your capabilities will be known to > > all. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks , > > > > > > > > > > skotak > > > > > > > > > > P Kumar <pkumar24@> wrote: > > > > > Dear Swee, > > > > > You should agree at one point - one who believes in and > > > > recommends a gemstone must be a good astrologer himself / > > > herself. > > > > Now remember your visit to Mumbai when you stayed at the > house > > > of > > > > shri J.K.Dasgupta in Vashi, Mumbai. You were having > gemstones > > > for > > > > sale with you, almost all of which cost more than Rs. > 50,000/- > > . > > > I > > > > (Praveen Kumar then), along with others discussed astrology > > with > > > you > > > > and had shown you my and my mother's horoscopes. My mother > is > > > 100% > > > > paralyzed and suffered in almost all respects. However, you > > > > appreciated her horoscope, had given some favourable > comments > > > about > > > > her health, even talked about a career for her, declared her > > > married > > > > life very happy etc etc. which all was complete nonsense. > > After > > > > describing the facts by me, you had justified the same with > > the > > > same > > > > horoscope. In other readings too, nobody there was impressed > > > with > > > > your astrological competence. Neither you have demonstrated > > your > > > > astrological skills here on this forum of vedic astrology > > > > convincingly. Persons > > > > > like you always elude to comment over unknown > horoscope. > > > > > > > > > > My question is that when you can't predict efficiently, > > how > > > can > > > > you come to know what would have been the results without a > > > gemstone > > > > and that the particular stone has benefited the native. If > you > > > > recommend a stone despite all this, what people should think > > > about > > > > you ? This is for all astrologers (or quacks) who sell > > gemstones > > > > themselves or get hefty commission from the Jewelers. It is > > most > > > > unfortunate that people having blind faith in astrology get > > > cheated > > > > of their hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > Will you stop all this now or will arrange for some > > messages > > > > protecting you by stating that you are a good astrologer and > > > they > > > > had been benefited by you. Incidentally, I remind the > warning > > of > > > > Shri K.N.Rao - " Never get impressed by the fact that one > has > > > > authored books on astrology or is the so called (even self > > > > proclaimed) Guru - always ask him first to tell something > > about > > > you > > > > himself / herself, only then go ahead". > > > > > > > > > > I have written all this to warn innocent people here > lest > > > they > > > > should get cheated. One should avoid consulting astrologers > > who > > > sell > > > > gemstone themselves or insist on purchasing from particular > > > > jewellers or offer to do poojas and remedies for you on > > > exorbitant > > > > payments. They can do nothing good to you except depriving > you > > > of > > > > your hard earned money. > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > "Swee Chan" <swee@> > > > > > <vedic astrology>; "SJCA" <SJC- > > > > Africa>; <sohamsa> > > > > > Cc: "'Sanjay Rath'" <sanjayrath@>; "Sarbani" > > > > <sarbani@>; "'RICHARD SHAW BROWN'" <rsb@> > > > > > Saturday, February 11, 2006 1:01 AM > > > > > RE: [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > Naga > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jaya Jagannatha > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Arjun, > > > > > > Namaste > > > > > > > > > > > > I fully agree that those who know nothing about > > gemstones > > > and > > > > their > > > > > > intrinsic values should not recommend them. Let's look > > at > > > it > > > > this way, if a > > > > > > patient goes to a general practitioner with a heart > > > ailment, > > > > what will that > > > > > > doctor do? He will do his ethical duty to recommend > the > > > > patient to a heart > > > > > > surgeon. Agree? > > > > > > > > > > > > We as jyotishas who are intricately linked with > > gemstones, > > > > will not only > > > > > > recommend a gemstone, but will take it a step further > > and > > > > search for the > > > > > > best gemstone we can as d in the shastras to > > our > > > > clients. We > > > > > > consider this our duty to ensure that he/she is given > > the > > > > best. It is also > > > > > > based on the person's karma to obtain what is > prescribed > > > to > > > > them. Some of > > > > > > the people who consult me wait for a long time for a > > fine > > > > gemstone while for > > > > > > some, we have it immediately under our tuck. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen so much rubbish gemstones worn by people > all > > > over. > > > > If one cannot > > > > > > afford it, maybe next time round (next life) they > will. > > If > > > > karma has it that > > > > > > we are destined to deal in gemstones, that's the way > the > > > > cookie crumbles due > > > > > > to our punya!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > For those who keep on accusing us of making money by > > > > prescribing gemstones, > > > > > > I only have one thing to ask - Do you get paid for > your > > > job at > > > > the end of > > > > > > each month or will you ask your boss to offer you what > > he > > > > thinks you are > > > > > > worth at the end of each month? Thank you, I rest my > > case. > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu's gemstone is prescribed in special cases. There > > are > > > > several hints in > > > > > > the classics and BPHS and my especial favourite, > > > Jyotisharnava > > > > Navanitam > > > > > > that helps the jytoisha to ascertain whether he/she > > should > > > > prescribe that > > > > > > gemstone. I promise I will detail this in my book. > > > > > > Gomeda is not exclusive to Hessonite as made out by > ALL > > > > translators who are > > > > > > not versed in the science of gemstones. Period. > > > > > > In Garuda Purana, it is said that it brings wealth to > > the > > > > bearer besides > > > > > > helping to correct other health issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who are sick will certainly benefit from resting > > > under a > > > > tree (or > > > > > > hugging it). It is also dependant of the type of tree, > > > isn't > > > > it? Believe me, > > > > > > you wouldn't want to hug an acacia spp!!! If it was > 100% > > > > beneficial, then no > > > > > > one will ever need to build a house nor visit an > > > astrologer or > > > > a doctor. > > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, I am still waiting for your +20 > combinations > > > on > > > > eye problems as > > > > > > your second message as a repeat of the first. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > Swee > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > [vedic astrology] On Behalf Of > > > > panditarjun2004 > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 8:54 PM > > > > > > vedic astrology > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > Naga > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > i fully agree with your remarks. my statement on > > amitabh > > > > getting > > > > > > benefited by kashmiri neelam is based on the > revelations > > > by > > > > his > > > > > > astrologer and other fellow astrologers in various > > > groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > i myself do not believe in stones and have not > > recommended > > > a > > > > stone > > > > > > to a single person till date. in various threads in > > other > > > > groups i > > > > > > lamented that stones were not recommended by any holy > > > > scripture and > > > > > > the recent newfound support from narada purana also > was > > > > unheard > > > > > > before. also somewhere i read that humans, > > animals/birds, > > > > > > trees/plants and stones attract energies from the > > planets > > > > 100%, 75%, > > > > > > 50% and 25% respectively and hence stones which > attract > > > only > > > > 25% > > > > > > energy are not worth their money for their 25% > effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > i still fail to understand how stones are recommended > > for > > > rank > > > > > > malefics rahu and ketu as seen in several messages in > > this > > > > group. > > > > > > since these two are painted as beneficial planets by > > some > > > > > > researchers who are vairagya and moksha karakas, may > be > > > the > > > > stones > > > > > > are recommended for gaining vairagya and moksha. only > > > those > > > > who > > > > > > recommend these stones can answer better. > > > > > > > > > > > > anyway, i endorse your views on stones but without any > > > > criticism on > > > > > > the stone believers. > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know the strength of horoscope of Amitabh > > > Bachchan ? > > > > If > > > > > > stones work that much, why he reached at the verge of > > > > bankruptcy at > > > > > > some juncture ? Why did he suffer health wise (and > > > remember we > > > > don't > > > > > > know everything about his bad health) so seriously ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tell those Gem-stone selling astrologers to give > > > > interpretation on > > > > > > strangers' horoscopes and see their caliber. > Everything > > > else > > > > is much > > > > > > easier. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My take on gemstones is that it should be used more > > as > > > an > > > > > > ornament. Gemstones for functionally benefic planets > may > > > be > > > > > > preferred. Nothing can radically change your destiny, > at > > > least > > > > in > > > > > > this life. Rather, taking help of mantras and devotion > > to > > > the > > > > God is > > > > > > more important. Following a simple life helping the > > needy > > > ones > > > > may > > > > > > give you inner peace and spiritual advancement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@> > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > Friday, February 10, 2006 12:46 AM > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem Clarity & > > > Naga > > > > Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear friend kumarji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are right in saying that selling stones is > more > > a > > > > business > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > for priviliged people like amitabh bachhan who > wears > > > > genuine > > > > > > > > flawless kashmiri blue sapphire, stones work. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for those who cannot afford gems, color therapy > > (akin > > > to > > > > gem > > > > > > > > therapy) is an inexpensive inhouse alternative. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > till date i could not find any vedic scripture > > > > recommending > > > > > > stones > > > > > > > > and have not recommended stones to any one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes > > > > > > > > arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vedic astrology, "P Kumar" > > > > <pkumar24@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't run after gems. It is more a business than > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P.Kumar (Mumbai) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > "harjeet_bakshi" <harjeet_bakshi@> > > > > > > > > > <vedic astrology> > > > > > > > > > Tuesday, February 07, 2006 2:00 AM > > > > > > > > > [vedic astrology] Re: Jyotish Gem > Clarity > > & > > > > Naga Mani > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > respected sir, > > > > > > > > > > earlier you had adviced me for wearing a ruby > > > (being a > > > > scorpio > > > > > > > > asc), > > > > > > > > > > instead of a diamond(which some astrologer > told > > me > > > > because of > > > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > in relationships). > > > > > > > > > > about clearity of gems.. like rubies and > > emerald, > > > it > > > > would be > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > expensive for unflawed gem as most of them > have > > > > impurities > > > > > > > > included by > > > > > > > > > > default which are seen by naked eye itself. so > > it > > > wont > > > > be > > > > > > > > advisable to > > > > > > > > > > wear them if one cant afford the gems in > purest > > > form. > > > > > > > > > > thanks/regards > > > > > > > > > > harjeet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic- astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > Krishnaarpanamastu > > > > || > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- > > astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... May Jupiter's light shine on us ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Tat Sat || Sarvam Sri > > > Krishnaarpanamastu || > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Archives: vedic- astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Group info: vedic- > > > > astrology/info.html > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE: Blank mail to vedic astrology- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....... 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