RE: Aspect v/s Placement, -->Ramakrishna

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Hi,

 

1)How you consider when is a planet stronger and when

it is weaker for a given Lagna.

2)Exalted and Debilition definition as per you.

3)When planets are in friendly house what does that

signify placement in house and sign.

 

I want to know How you predict in charts.When do you

consider planet to be stronger and when they are

weaker.

 

I am not saying Debilition means they are stronger or

weaker,But they have more of a negative qualities and

through that to other houses also they will pass those

negative qualities.But I how much those negative

qualities they will pass depends upon there strength

that they have.

 

Take a example chart,give your prediction and we will

discuss on that.

 

--- Ramakrishna <ramki wrote:

 

> Dear Shripalji ,

>

> Now I am totaly confused ,In your previous mail you

> told me

> that if Venus Aspects the Second house then it will

> give the

> results like that of the Jupiter , Now you are

> conveying me

> It will give the negative effect of that House.Can I

> consider

> like this ?if the malefics for a chart debelited

> then

> they are negative planets other wise they are weak.

>

>

> Regds

> Ramki

>

>

>

> Hi Ramakrishna,

>

> When any planet is debiliated that means doesn't

> means

> it is weak,it is weak by just sign,if it is

> strong,it

> will give more of a negative result,as being

> debiliated.So even if it is aspecting 100% exalted

> sign, you will see a negative effect of that

> House,to

> which it is seeing.

>

> So planets being Negative is different thing and

> Planet being weak is different.Weak planet doesn't

> give result

> good nor bad.They are almost immaterial for that

> individual in that chart.

>

> As per my knowledge debiliation and exaltion is a

> quality of a planet that they have.

>

>

>

> --- Ramakrishna <ramki wrote:

>

> > Dear Shripalji,

> >

> > As u said the Planets can be weaker by the

> Placement

> > but not thier aspect ,

> > According to

> > you benific debelited planets aspect are good

> and

> > they give 100% result.

> > If that is the case

> > its not to bad o have a debelited planets in

> one's

> > chart because they

> > aspect the exalted

> > positions ( opposite(100%) aspect) . please

> > clarify me, if I am wrong.

> > Regds

> > Ramki

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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> > Shripal [d_shripal]

> > Friday, January 21, 2005 10:59 AM

> > Mark Kincaid

> > [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Shipal, & all,

> > Aspect v/s Placement, >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> > Hi Mark,

> >

> > If planets are together in a same sign,Than

> isn't

> > that

> > means they are aspecting each other and becuase

> of

> > there mutual relationship that they develop will

> > influence a place where they are placed plus

> where

> > each of them is aspecting.Again while aspecting

> > they

> > might come in aspect with other forces.So total

> > prediction will change.Along with that there is

> > transit and Dasa too involved.But in all this as

> I

> > said when to mutual force combine we get totally

> a

> > new

> > dish for a lunch.So it can be good in taste or

> OK

> > or

> > bad.But when two forces combine through Aspect,I

> > believe especially when two forces combine in

> > aspect,

> > A person's personality,attitude towards

> > life,current

> > event results along with transit and Dasa, his

> > thinking ability all changes because of

> > relationship

> > develop through aspect.

> >

> > If I am wrong please clarify,Aspect is always

> 100%

> > resultant good or bad,while placement is

> > not,Because I

> > read in some book,If planet is weakly placed

> than

> > id

> > doesn't give whole results,Good or Bad,no

> results

> > at

> > all.

> >

> > But if this weakly placed planets aspected by

> let

> > say

> > another weakly placed planet,may be trine(50%)

> or

> > opposite(100%) aspect,So aspect can be never

> > weak,it's

> > like these bodies give no results for placement

> > being

> > weaker.But in aspect becuase palcement is

> > weak,that

> > doesn't mean aspect is weak,Aspect works

> normally

> > at

> > 100% result,so even no result given planet

> aspect

> > each

> > other,they will give bad result,but they

> > definately

> > give result,unlike placement.

> >

> > I haven't put it in proper way ,What I want to

> > say.Let

> > me come with some example.But I want from

> > members,Conjuct palnet aspect each other isn't

> it?

> >

> > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shripal:

> > >

> > > See below:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > Shripal <d_shripal

> > > > Wed, 19 Jan 2005 21:54:45 -0800 (PST)

> > > > Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> > > > 2-Shipal, Ramakrishna, & all, RE:

> > Aspect

> > > v/s Placement, > Mark

> > > > Kincaid

> > > >

> > > > Hi Mark and All.

> > > >

> > > > thanks Mark,

> > > >

> > > > Yes,exactly when transit moves over your

> natal

> > > > placement,so what is working,isn't it aspect

> > that

> > > is

> > > > working.

> > >

> > > I find there are two things here.

> > >

> > > #1, there's the effect when say the Moon moves

> > into

> > > the next Sign,

> > > say where Saturn is, 'in the sky',....

> > >

> > > In 2 days for example Moon moves into Gemini,

> > where

> > > Saturn is.

> > >

> > > #2, then, there's the effect of say the Moon

> > moving

> > > into the same house,

> > > where our Natal Saturn is, 'in our charts'....

> > >

> > > This can be 'felt' in the same way, though

> these

> > two

> > > different ways....

> > >

> > > represent the Transits, vs. the effect of the

> > > transits, upon our individual

> > > charts....!

> > >

> > > both of which I believe are important....

> > >

> > > personally I find the effects of the Transits,

> > 'out

> > > there', more intense,

> > > then say,

> > > when Moon moves into Virgo, each month, where

> my

> > > natal Moon is....

> > >

> > > I'm so used to that, that it's effects don't

> > seem

> > > soooo intense....

> > > but when the Moon moves into the space where

> the

> > > transiting Saturn 'is',

> > > that seems

> > > much more strong...

> > >

> > > Even if you have got exalted saturn in your

> > > > chart,when transit moon goes over it ,you

> will

> > > feel

> > > > lonliness,allof etc.When Mars hover your

> > saturn,

> > > you

> > > > are very uncomfortalbe with your situation's

> > in

> > > your

> > > > life,either you feel like destroying

> > everything

> > > around

> > > > you or just destroy yourself.

> > >

> > > See below:Yes, yes,...this is exactly what I

> > love

> > > about watching the

> > > transits,...

> > > after even 12 months, you'll be so much more

> > clear

> > > about what 'effects' come

> > > to one,

> > > through the transits, ....that...

> > > you'll be much more prepared.... to

> > > understand....'where' ....'these'

> > > effects are coming..

> > >

> > > Then, in the future, we'll be more wise, and

> not

> > > 'blame' so much 'others'

> > > because of something that's either coming to

> us

> > from

> > > the outer stars....

> > > or coming to us ....from our....inner

> stars.....

> > >

> > > >

> > > > So How did we lost a qualities of

> > Placement.How

> > > come

> > > > placement looses its theme and get more

> > influenced

> > > by

> > > > aspect.

> > >

> > > I've heard it described both ways....by

> > different

> > > astrologers....

> > >

> > > I think it happens, when the general,

> > 'experience'

> > > of Astrology gets lost...

> > >

> > > Even though modern day, 'Astrologers' may be

> > very

> > > good at understanding

> > > intellectually,

> > > Astrology,....still it's not the same,....as

> > having

> > > learned to feel the

> > > Stars....

> > >

> > > I think experience in Consciousness, in

> > meditation,

> > > has helped me

> > > emmensely,....

> > > because I'm more awake, in the soul, in the

> > silence

> > > of life....

> > >

> > > and the Stars, exist.... predominantly in

> > > silence....

> > >

> > > In fact, at some point when I was 'watching'

> the

> > > transits, it occured to me,

> > > ....

> > > I hadn't heard anyone describe how,.... no

> > matter

> > > 'what' transits are going

> > > on....

> > >

> > > whether it's a clear day, and everything's

> > feeling

> > > smooth,....

> > > or a very rough day, and stormy....etc....

> > >

> > > what I noticed, was .... within both

> > > days,....there's this incredible

> > > experience of eternal....

> > > silence....

> > >

> > > and 'that'....is the core, the essence of

> > life....

> > >

> > > In fact,....the most important thing....

> > >

> > > because it's in going to 'that',....accessing

> > > 'that', that any improvement,

> > > transformation,...

> > > can really be accomplished..... on the

> > outer.....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Act as a modifier.Transit is a best way to

> > > > describe Aspect being more powerful than

> just

> > > > placement.

> > >

> > > personally, my experience is the opposite....

> > >

> > > I experience, when 2 planets are in the same

> > house

> > > as being stronger,....

> > > but that's not to say your experience couldn't

> > be

> > > the opposite...

> > >

> > > I find for example, that a lot of people

> > experience

> > > the dasas, stronger,

> > > then the transits,.....

> > > and that goes along with the classic Jyotish

> > > descriptions....

> > >

> > > but for me, I've learned that 'I', experience

> > the

> > > transits, more

> > > strongly....

> > >

> > > Also, ....Jyotish says that the 'transits'

> > should be

> > > looked at through the

> > > Moon chart....

> > > but I find the Rasi chart, ....looking at the

> > > transits, via. one's rising

> > > sign, ....

> > > is more accurate for me,....and for many

> > others....

> > >

> > > We all need to learn to experience....the

> > stars....

> > >

> > > I am talking about when to mutual force

> > > > combine,it will always be powerful than just

> > being

> > > > alone.It can act as a destroyer and even

> > rebuilder

> > > of

> > > > your evnts in life.Life is not stagnant or

> > > constant

> > > > like Placement.But rather everyday changing

> > and

> > > who is

> > > > influencing that,Transit and How through

> > > aspect,isn't

> > > > it?.If i am wrong correct me.

> > > >

> > > Nice talking with you...

> > >

> > >

> > > Mark Kincaid

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > founder....Nature's Astrology....

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid

> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >> Hi Ramakrishna ,

> > > >>

> > > >> No sirji,What you said I have already

> talked

> > > about

> > > >> that previous.Same thing aspect is as good

> as

> > > >> placement means Venus when aspect from

> pisces

> > > gives

> > > >> same results

> > > >> as jupiter placed in pisces.that means full

> > > >> effect,not

> > > >> a quality wise,quantity wise effect will be

> > > maximum.

> > > >>

> > > >> When planet is aspecting some house,

> without

> > any

> > > >> planets in it,means effect will be

> equvalent

> > to

> > > >> placement.Aspect and Placement we are

> talking

> > > about

> > > >> is

> > > >> quantity wise and not qualitywise,That will

> > > depend

> > > >> upon mutual relationship,sign in whci

> placed

> > > etc.OK.

> > > >>

> > > >> --- Ramakrishna <ramki

> > > wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Dear Shipal & All:

> > > >>

> > > >> This is a fascinating aspect of Jyotish,

> > ahhh, no

> > > >> pun intended, heheeheh.

> > > >>

> > > >> But, another really good way to tell

> whether

> > > >> 'conjunction', or when a planet

> > > >> is in a house,

> > > >> or opposite another house, or even in it's

> > > >> aspectings,.... is to look at

> > > >> these through the eyes,

> > > >> of the daily, weekly, monthly and yearly

> > > >> transits....

> > > >>

> > > >> Watch the Moon for example.

> > > >>

> > > >> When the Moon moves through the sky and

> moves

> > > >> through our charts, especially

> > > >> when you can learn to 'feel' it, you can

> > start to

> > > >> realize...the real truths

> > > >> of Jyotish.

> > > >>

> > > >> For example, when the Moon is getting

> bigger,

> > > like

> > > >> now, and then when it

> > > >> moves through the different signs, and

> > especially

> > > >> moves into similar houses

> > > >> with other planets.... you can really feel

> > those!

> > > >>

> > > >> Take the up-coming Moon & Saturn

> conjunction

> > > >> starting in about 2 days....

> > > >>

> > > >> Right now the Moon's in Taurus, and only at

> > the

> > > 3rd

> > > >> degree, so still a lot

> > > >> of Exaltedness, left....

> > > >>

> > > >> But in a 'few' days, let's say 2 1/2, the

> > Moon

> > > will

> > > >> move into Gemini, where

> > > >> it will come within 30 degrees of any

> planets

> > in

> > > >> Gemini.

> > > >>

> > > >> Right now, Saturn has Retrograded back into

> > > Gemini,

> > > >> so soon, the Moon &

> > > >> Saturn will be conjunct.

> > > >>

> > > >> So, everyone watch how you feel.... now...

> > > >>

> > > >> and in 3, 4 and then 5 days.... that

> > Saturn/Moon

> > > >> conjunction...

> > > >>

> > > >> Then, compare these feelings with the

> > feelings

> > > that

> > > >> come next when the Moon

> > > >> moves past Saturn and into the next sign...

> > > >>

> > > >> That will be quite a shift this month/year,

> > > >> especially because the Moon

> > > >> feels soooo happy in Cancer.

> > > >>

> > > >> Then, for the next 2 1/2 days the Moon will

> > be in

> > > >> Cancer, it's Own

> > > >> Sign,....but then,

> > > >> the Moon will move into Leo, which is

> farther

> > and

> > > >> farther away from

> > > >> Saturn,....but....

> > > >>

> > > >> the Moon will be in a sign, where it's

> > supposed

> > > to

> > > >> fall under the 3rd house

> > > >> 'aspect' of Saturn...

> > > >>

> > > >> See, if you/all, can feel that same Saturn

> > > feeling

> > > >> that happened when

> > > >> Saturn&Moon were conjunct, see if you don't

> > feel

> > > >> that same flavor.

> > > >>

> > > >> Then, when the Moon, continues around the

> > sky,

> > > next

> > > >> it will move into

> > > >> Sagittarius, which is the Sign, completely

> > > opposite

> > > >> to Saturn, in Gemini,

> > > >> and then, when Moon moves into Pisces,

> > Saturn's

> > > 10th

> > > >> House aspect is

> > > >> supposed to kick in.

> > > >>

> > > >> Experience shows which qualities of Jyotish

> > are

> > > more

> > > >> strong and give very

> > > >> practical understanding that will allow us

> to

> > > >> understand the same kind of

> > > >> 'aspects' and 'conjunctions', or placements

> > as

> > > you

> > > >> say; that are in our

> > > >> charts.

> > > >>

> > > >> Hope this helps....

> > > >>

> > > >> Sincerely,

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Mark Kincaid

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> ps.... instead of asking people to guess

> > about

> > > your

> > > >> chart, why don't you

> > > >> share with people, your experience which

> are

> > > >> stronger.

> > > >>

> > > >> For example, in my chart, I have Moon &

> > Saturn

> > > >> together in the 12th house,

> > > >> only 1 house away from my Sun in the 11th.

> > > >>

> > > >> Well, believe me, I can say with complete

> > > >> reliability, that the consequence

> > > >> of this 'configuration' has been very

> > striking to

> > > >> me.

> > > >>

> > > >> Plenty of feelings of isolation,

> loneliness,

> > > >> sadness, even depression

> > > >> growing up.

> > > >>

> > > >> And as I learned my chart I could 'feel'

> > Saturn's

> > > >> aspects into my 3rd house,

> > > >> and 6th house.... especially.

> > > >>

> > > >> Not only was I shy, due to the Moon being

> in

> > the

> > > >> 12th, but, my 2nd house of

> > > >> speech was very much effected too, and I

> was

> > > >> extremely shy in school, had a

> > > >> very difficult time getting up and speaking

> > in

> > > >> class, etc.

> > > >>

> > > >> But, I also have Jupiter in my 6th in

> Pisces,

> > in

> > > my

> > > >> 6th and at the very same

> > > >> time I had all these, problems of

> Moon/Saturn

> > in

> > > the

> > > >> 12th,.... I found some

> > > >> very good qualities due to Jupiter.

> > > >>

> > > >> First of all, I had pretty good health.

> > Secondly

> > > I

> > > >> noticed that Saturn's

> > > >> normal negative aspect upon the Sign

> opposite

> > to

> > > >> itself, was probably,

> > > >> improved due to Jupiter's simultaneous

> aspect

> > > back,

> > > >> upon Saturn and the

> > > >> Moon.

> > > >>

> > > >> I could also 'feel' all the good qualities

> of

> > > >> Jupiter's supposed influence

> > > >> upon the Sign opposite it!

> > > >>

> > > >> I also had many of the predictatively

> 'good'

> > > >> qualities of Jupiter upon the

> > > >> Moon, which was a clear example of the 7th

> > House

> > > >> 'aspect'.

> > > >>

> > > >> Then, there are the aspects of Jupiter.

> > > Jupiter's

> > > >> supposed to influence

> > > >> not only the Sign where it is, but also 5

> > Houses

> > > >> away in addition to the

> > > >> classic 7th house aspect.

> > > >>

> > > >> And I could really feel that too. Jupiter

> in

> > the

> > > >> 6th, then, casts it's 5th

> > > >> house aspect into the 10th house, where I

> > have

> > > >> Cancer.

> > > >>

> > > >> And from as long as I can remember I 'knew'

> > that

> > > I

> > > >> wanted to be a teacher.

> > > >>

> > > >> First of all, I loved teachers growing up,

> I

> > > loved

> > > >> watching them, and

> > > >> admired them greatly.

> > > >>

> > > >> These qualities are good examples of

> > Jupiter's

> > > 5th

> > > >> house aspect.

> > > >>

> > > >> And finally, when I try and look and find,

> > > Jupiter's

> > > >> 9th house aspect, I

> > > >> find that Jupiter's supposed to be

> aspecting

> > my

> > > 2nd

> > > >> house.

> > > >>

> > > >> So, not only was I shy due to Saturn's

> aspect

> > > from

> > > >> the 12th, but, I felt

> > > >> also another influence which later I

> realized

> > was

> > > >> probably Jupiter's which

> > > >> wanted to be able to speak and express

> > myself.

> > > >>

> > > >> Eventually, as I learned how to diminish or

> > > >> transform Saturn's negative

> > > >> 'glances' into more positive one's, I began

> > to

> > > feel

> > > >> more comfortable

> > > >> speaking and eventually became quite

> > comfortable

> > > in

> > > >> front of a crowd, or

> > > >> even lecturing.

> > > >>

> > > >> So, I'm sure we all, will enjoy hearing

> about

> > how

> > > >> you've come to understand

> > > >> and experience your chart, too. I'd love

> to

> > hear

> > > >> your own private

> > > >> experiences as to the effects of the

> Planets

> > 'in'

> > > >> different houses/signs,

> > > >> and their simultaneous effects upon,

> opposite

> > > signs

> > > >> and houses.

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Sincerely,

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Mark Kincaid

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> founder Nature's Astrology....

> > > >> m.kincaid

> > > >> 641 472-0000

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Shripal <d_shripal

> > > >>

> AyurvedJyotishYoga

> > > >> Tue, 18 Jan 2005 21:30:57 -0800 (PST)

> > > >> navlakshya

> > > >> [AyurvedJyotishYoga] Re: Aspect

> v/s

> > > >> Placement

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> Hi Jyotish Volunteer and ALL,

> > > >>

> > > >> Let's take this birth data of mine.

> > > >> Name:shripal

> > > >> Place:Rajkot,Gujarat

> > > >> Time:21:00

> > > >> date:16th March 1980

> > > >>

> > > >> 1)In my chart Mars + Saturn + Jupiter +

> Rahu

> > all

> > > >> retrogatin and placed in 11th house.All

> this

> > > planets

> > > >> are aspecting or influencing each

> > other.Correct.

> > > >>

> > > >> 2)In 5th house Mercury and Ketu are

> together.

> > > >>

> > > >> 3)However Venus is in 7th house.

> > > >>

> > > >> 4)Know planets aspecting first house are

> > Saturn

> > > >> 100%,Venus 100% + venus is a dispositor of

> > that

> > > >> house

> > > >> too and placed with Venus in enemy house.

> > > >>

> > > >> 5)Venus a first house lord is in trine with

> > Mars

> > > +

> > > >> saturn + rahu + jupiter,so all this planets

> > > aspect

> > > >> to

> > > >> venus is 50% mutually.

> > > >>

> > > >> 5)Mercury + ketu sextile with this Venus,so

> > > aspect

> > > >> mutually is 25%.

> > > >>

> > > >> So you tell me about my personality and

> > > >> thoughts,regarding my looks and approach

> > towards

> > > >> life.Which planet will be most influential

> > with

> > > >> rescpect,

> > > >>

> > > >> 1)1st house that is me,my looks nd

> qualities

> > that

> > > i

> > > >> have and i will achieve.

> > > >> 2)4th house that is my mother or staying

> > place

> > > >> 3)7th house that is my wife or partners

> > > >> 4)5th house that is my education,Romance

> and

> > > >> Mantra,Tantra etc.

> > > >> 5)9th house my spiritual inclination.

> > > >> 6)11th house my friends,relationship with

> > them

> > > anf

> > > >> gains.

> > > >>

> > > >> You give me predictions for each and every

> of

> > my

> > > >> above

> > > >> points and I will let you know how much

> truth

> > > about

> > > >> it.

> > > >>

> > > >> So we can come to conclusion what all

> houses

> > > aspect

> > > >> is

> > > >> more effective and where palcement is

> > effective.

> > > >>

> > > >> Which one is more stronger aspect or

> > Placement.

> > > >>

> > > >> --- Jyotish Volunteers

> > <primusjyotishi

> > > >> wrote:

> > > >>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> Not clear why you called placement as a

> one

> > time

> > > >>> influence while

> > > >>> aspect is a longerlasting one. Please

> > elaborate

> > > a

> > > >>> bit more.

> > > >>>

> > > >>>

> > > >>> navlakshya, Shripal

> > > >>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > >>>> Guruji,

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> That theory will not work here.aspect is

> > not

> > > >>>> influencing anybody.So your example I

> will

> > say

> > > >>> there

> > > >>>> is no aspect at all.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> Aspect mean you can do

> > something,influencing

> > > >>>> someone.when you are seeing means just

> > seeing.

> > > >>>> Planets just don't see,they influence.In

> > fact a

> > > >>> very

> > > >>>> very great influence.As good as seating

> and

> > > >> seeing

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>> same for them.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> But let me try to twist your Example,If

> > that

> > > >>> killer

> > > >>>> seating find he is a son of his Boss or

> His

> > > >> father

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>> bigger person.Than you tell me Aspect of

> > his

> > > >>> father

> > > >>>> not even in his presence,what will be

> > > >>> outcome.Aspect

> > > >>>> or Placement.So i guess who is

> influencing

> > whom

> > > >>> rather

> > > >>>> than just seating.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> And now if you are saying,even he know's

> > still

> > > >> he

> > > >>> want

> > > >>>> to kill that person seating beside

> him,than

> > > >> ready

> > > >>> for

> > > >>>> a outcome of aspect that is influencing

> > that

> > > >> guy.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> That's what I said it in first

> > posting.Strong

> > > >>>> Placement's of planets is like a one time

> > > >>> promotion or

> > > >>>> act of that movement instantly.Aspect is

> > like

> > > >>> constant

> > > >>>> movement increasing manner or detoriating

> > > >>>> movement.Placement is like switch on and

> > > >> Off.while

> > > >>>> aspect is like Volume button.It

> influences

> > your

> > > >>> daily

> > > >>>> life.

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>> --- "V.Partha sarathy" <partvinu5>

> > wrote:

> > > >>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Dear Shripal

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> Please tell me the outcome of the

> > following

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> You are with a killer, a bad man in the

> > same

> > > >>> bus, in

> > > >>>>> the same seat

> > > >>>>> you are in a bus, and killer is in

> another

> > > >> bus,

> > > >>> he

> > > >>>>> is looking at you.

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> WHich makes you more comfortable?

> > > >>>>> best wishes

> > > >>>>> partha

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>>

> > > >>>>> navlakshya,

> Shripal

> > > >>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > >>>>>> Hi sureshji,

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> your Explantion and Prediction is

> > > >> wonderful.I

> > > >>>>> myself

> > > >>>>>> found aspect are more powerful than

> > > >>>>> Placements.Even

> > > >>>>>> when I have checked Let say Libra

> rising

> > and

> > > >>>>> Saturn in

> > > >>>>>> Lagna.so this person should possess all

> > the

> > > >>>>> qualities

> > > >>>>>> of Exaltes saturn,But in fact it is not

> > > >> there

> > > >>> at

> > > >>>>>> all.Considering all factors.Mars in 6th

> > > >> house

> > > >>> and

> > > >>>>>> aspecting this saturn.so this person is

> > more

> > > >>> like

> > > >>>>>> Martian,rather than saturn like.Even

> > > >> placement

> > > >>> for

> > > >>>>>> Mars is also weak,still aspect is

> working

> > > >> very

> > > >>>>> well

> > > >>>>>> than Placement of Saturn.As mars is

> enemy

> > to

> > > >>>>>> saturn,still it destroy what ever

> > saturn's

> > > >>> result

> > > >>>>> and

> > > >>>>>> imbibe his resuls in that individual.

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>> I concluded that Aspect should be given

> a

> > > >>> higher

> > > >>>>>> priority.

> > > >>>>>> --- sureshbabuag <sureshbabuag>

> > wrote:

> > > >>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Namasthe

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Yes Aspect of any planet is more

> > powerful

> > > >>> than

> > > >>>>> its

> > > >>>>>>> association. It is

> > > >>>>>>> said that if two malefics are in

> > > >> association

> > > >>> it

> > > >>>>>>> brings decieses and if

> > > >>>>>>> a third aspects it brings death. This

> > > >> could

> > > >>> mean

> > > >>>>> two

> > > >>>>>>> things aspect by

> > > >>>>>>> a (malefic) planet is more potent than

> > the

> > > >>>>>>> association of two

> > > >>>>>>> (malefics). Agin in another text

> > > >>>>>>> "Bhanuna Vasrija drishte dakshange

> arura

> > > >>>>> asrigbhava"

> > > >>>>>>> Saturn if

> > > >>>>>>> aspected by sun or mars will produce

> > > >>> eruptions

> > > >>>>> and

> > > >>>>>>> boils on the right

> > > >>>>>>> side of the body due to impure blood.

> > > >> (Cause

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>>>>> death) this sloka

> > > >>>>>>> further explains: "Guruna

> swayathupathe

> > > >>>>> dakshinange

> > > >>>>>>> cha vedana".

> > > >>>>>>> Jupiter produces swelling of the feets

> > of

> > > >>> pain

> > > >>>>> in

> > > >>>>>>> the body.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> There are many such examples which

> shows

> > > >> the

> > > >>>>> power

> > > >>>>>>> of aspects of planets.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> In the example given by you Saturn in

> > the

> > > >>> 8th

> > > >>>>> house

> > > >>>>>>> may confer long

> > > >>>>>>> life depending on the stregth of

> Saturn

> > in

> > > >>> amsa

> > > >>>>> and

> > > >>>>>>> sun . but one

> > > >>>>>>> cannot rule out the physical ailments

> > that

> > > >>> it

> > > >>>>>>> signifies. Please note

> > > >>>>>>> that Saturn Lagnidhipathy is aspecting

> > the

> > > >>> Karma

> > > >>>>>>> Sthana as well as

> > > >>>>>>> dhanasthana and is placed in the atma

> > > >> karaka

> > > >>> /

> > > >>>>> pitur

> > > >>>>>>> karaka Sun. Being

> > > >>>>>>> an enemy, he may face many problems

> with

> > > >> his

> > > >>>>>>> parents. Highly egoistic

> > > >>>>>>> and in always conflict with oneself.

> He

> > > >>> creates

> > > >>>>>>> wealth by his own

> > > >>>>>>> efforts. in fact jupiter and mars help

> > > >>> saturn in

> > > >>>>>>> this process of

> > > >>>>>>> creating wealth. (Saturn and mars in

> > > >> mutual

> > > >>>>> aspect -

> > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and

> > > >>>>>>> labhadhipathy) He may create wealth

> > > >> through

> > > >>>>> property

> > > >>>>>>> deals and

> > > >>>>>>> speculations (High risk) due to the

> > > >> position

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>>> mars

> > > >>>>>>> in taurus and

> > > >>>>>>> jupiter in mesh(Mars as adhipathy).

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> But he may expect some downfall

> (sudden

> > > >> and

> > > >>>>>>> unexpected) as the Saturn

> > > >>>>>>> is the satru rasi and Jupiter

> aspecting

> > is

> > > >>> also

> > > >>>>> 12th

> > > >>>>>>> rasi ord

> > > >>>>>>> (Vyayasthanadhipathy).

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> This person may not happy in life in

> > spite

> > > >>> of

> > > >>>>> being

> > > >>>>>>> a successfull

> > > >>>>>>> business man. (Sun - Atma Karaka being

> a

> > > >>> Sathru

> > > >>>>> of

> > > >>>>>>> Saturn -

> > > >>>>>>> Lagnadhipathy and Saturn being in leo

> > > >>> aspecting

> > > >>>>> the

> > > >>>>>>> Atma Karaka

> > > >>>>>>> griha's Neecha Rasi)

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Thank you putting such queries. give

> > your

> > > >>>>> comments.

> > > >>>>>>> Have no doubt that aspect is more

> potent

> > > >>> than

> > > >>>>> yoga

> > > >>>>>>> expecially that of

> > > >>>>>>> saturn . Remember Ravana had his

> > downfall

> > > >>> when

> > > >>>>>>> saturn in transit

> > > >>>>>>> reached his seventh house. I have seen

> > > >> many

> > > >>>>> persons

> > > >>>>>>> who were sitting

> > > >>>>>>> at the pinacles of their carrer/life

> > fall

> > > >> to

> > > >>>>> nothing

> > > >>>>>>> when saturn

> > > >>>>>>> traverse throuth 4th, 7th and 11th

> house

> > > >>> either

> > > >>>>> from

> > > >>>>>>> ascendant or moon

> > > >>>>>>> sign.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> May Lord Bless You.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> Suresh Bbu.

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>> --- In

> vedic astrology,

> > > >>> Shripal

> > > >>>>>>> <d_shripal> wrote:

> > > >>>>>>>> Hello All,

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Planetary aspect should be given more

> > > >>>>> important or

> > > >>>>>>>> palcement,which one would be

> powerful.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Let say Saturn is placed in 8th house

> > in

> > > >>>>> Leo.so

> > > >>>>>>> for

> > > >>>>>>>> Capricon Ascendant it is benefic.Now

> > > >>> Jupiter

> > > >>>>>>> placed in

> > > >>>>>>>> 4th House aspecting Saturn.So here

> > > >> aspect

> > > >>> is

> > > >>>>> Trine

> > > >>>>>>>> that is 50% b/w planets and 100% by

> > > >>> Jupiter.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> But being in Leo,it is in enemies

> house

> > > >>> and

> > > >>>>> 50%

> > > >>>>>>> aspect

> > > >>>>>>>> to jupiter,that is benefic,so Saturn

> > > >> thrid

> > > >>>>> aspect

> > > >>>>>>> to

> > > >>>>>>>> 10th house that is his own exalted

> sign

> > > >>> will

> > > >>>>> give

> > > >>>>>>>> benefic result or malefic result,by

> how

> > > >>> much.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> Now climax comes,If Mars is in Taurus

> > > >> ans

> > > >>>>> ,Mars is

> > > >>>>>>>> also aspecting this Saturn 100% and

> > > >>> vice-versa

> > > >>>>> is

> > > >>>>>>> also

> > > >>>>>>>> true.

> > > >>>>>>>>

> > > >>>>>>>> So it will try to make Saturn act

> > > >>>>> malefically.so

> > > >>>>>>> what

> > > >>>>>>>> will be a Saturn's response.Good or

> > > >>> TooBad.

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