Banning of SA . ATTN.TANVIR AND THE LIST

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

 

Hare Krishna.

 

With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that we,the

human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all different

directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which is

the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic scripture

coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in the

battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

 

The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create lacks

and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand to

get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

 

Hari Bol.

 

With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

 

, "Tanvir Chowdhury"

<lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> Hello all,

>

> I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally did

so,

> but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

anymore

> or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

>

> I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks. It

> fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

purpose

> of the creation was so.

>

> Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao and

> others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It took

my

> about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

conclusion

> when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

>

> The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology and

the

> great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all promoted

> just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

>

> "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> nothing."

>

> "During the course of my astrological journey I have met variety of

> people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully confused

> because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> knowledge and asked for my guidance."

>

> "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

based

> on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that you

> current status of confusion will continue."

>

> There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the time to

> find them now.

>

> The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in all

the

> lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time or

> even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know well

> about it.

>

> Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are list

> for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

there

> if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but now

I

> see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic Astrology

is

> becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

Vedic

> Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology, when

an

> SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends up

> having an impression that those SA principles are standard Vedic

> Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The insult

and

> disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic Astrology,

> it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> additional source of disgust.

>

> Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind them

> being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> discussed, applied or mentioned here.

>

> Thanks,

> Tanvir Chowdhury.

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> lord_narayana@l...

> http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

>

[Guest guest]

Dear list members,

 

It is Tanvir´s perogative, as list founder and moderator, to

define the acceptable bounds for the discussion on his list.

 

I would just like to say that the System´s Approach is very much a

part of vedic astrology and astrology in general. It is an outgrowth

of Vedic Astrology. It has been developed with the sole objective to

improve predictive accuracy.

 

For those interested, there is active discussion and predictive

work based on the System´s Approach to Vedic Astrology (SA) to be

found elsewhere on the net, including on the following discussion

lists:

 

Individual astrology

SATVA

 

Mundane astrology

SAMVA

 

Please feel free to drop by and check it out.

 

A great resource on the System´s Approach is the web site of

:

http://www.yournetastrologer.com

 

With my best wishes for successful astrological studies,

 

Thor Thorgeirsson

SAMVA list moderator

 

, "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that

we,the

> human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all different

> directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which is

> the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic scripture

> coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

> Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in the

> battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

>

> The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create lacks

> and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand to

> get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

>

> Hari Bol.

>

> With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally did

> so,

> > but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

> anymore

> > or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

> >

> > I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks. It

> > fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

> purpose

> > of the creation was so.

> >

> > Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao and

> > others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It

took

> my

> > about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

> conclusion

> > when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

> >

> > The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology and

> the

> > great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all

promoted

> > just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

> >

> > "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> > anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> > nothing."

> >

> > "During the course of my astrological journey I have met variety

of

> > people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully

confused

> > because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> > knowledge and asked for my guidance."

> >

> > "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

> based

> > on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that you

> > current status of confusion will continue."

> >

> > There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> > classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the time

to

> > find them now.

> >

> > The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in all

> the

> > lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time or

> > even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know

well

> > about it.

> >

> > Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> > system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are

list

> > for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

> there

> > if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but

now

> I

> > see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic

Astrology

> is

> > becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

> Vedic

> > Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology,

when

> an

> > SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends up

> > having an impression that those SA principles are standard Vedic

> > Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The insult

> and

> > disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic

Astrology,

> > it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> > additional source of disgust.

> >

> > Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind them

> > being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> > discussed, applied or mentioned here.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > lord_narayana@l...

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Tanvirji,

In my humble opinion banning any particular set of ideas or

knowledge may not be proper and democratic. Nobody is sure what is

wrong or right. Things should be discussed and rejected but not

banned. As this Jyotish Remedies group has florished with different

ideas of astrology, religion, philosphy, sprituality, etc we should

be magnanimous in accepting ideas and knowledges.

Inder

 

-- In , "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that

we,the

> human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all different

> directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which is

> the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic scripture

> coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

> Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in the

> battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

>

> The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create

lacks

> and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand

to

> get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

>

> Hari Bol.

>

> With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally did

> so,

> > but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

> anymore

> > or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

> >

> > I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks. It

> > fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

> purpose

> > of the creation was so.

> >

> > Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao

and

> > others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It

took

> my

> > about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

> conclusion

> > when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

> >

> > The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology

and

> the

> > great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all

promoted

> > just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

> >

> > "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> > anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> > nothing."

> >

> > "During the course of my astrological journey I have met variety

of

> > people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully

confused

> > because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> > knowledge and asked for my guidance."

> >

> > "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

> based

> > on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that

you

> > current status of confusion will continue."

> >

> > There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> > classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the time

to

> > find them now.

> >

> > The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in

all

> the

> > lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time

or

> > even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know

well

> > about it.

> >

> > Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> > system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are

list

> > for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

> there

> > if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but

now

> I

> > see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic

Astrology

> is

> > becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

> Vedic

> > Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology,

when

> an

> > SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends

up

> > having an impression that those SA principles are standard Vedic

> > Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The

insult

> and

> > disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic

Astrology,

> > it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> > additional source of disgust.

> >

> > Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind them

> > being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> > discussed, applied or mentioned here.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > lord_narayana@l...

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear List Members,

 

Hare Krishna. Allow me to add a few words. Jyotish Vidya is like a

SUN distributing its energy Heat and Light indiscriminately to all

over this universe. One may decide how much to accept or reject

according to one's own needs.

 

Hari Bol. OM TAT SAT.

 

With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Tanvirji,

> In my humble opinion banning any particular set of ideas or

> knowledge may not be proper and democratic. Nobody is sure what is

> wrong or right. Things should be discussed and rejected but not

> banned. As this Jyotish Remedies group has florished with different

> ideas of astrology, religion, philosphy, sprituality, etc we should

> be magnanimous in accepting ideas and knowledges.

> Inder

>

> -- In , "amarpuri2004"

<satvac@h...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that

> we,the

> > human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all

different

> > directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which

is

> > the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic

scripture

> > coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

> > Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in

the

> > battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

> >

> > The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create

> lacks

> > and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand

> to

> > get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

> >

> > Hari Bol.

> >

> > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> >

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally

did

> > so,

> > > but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

> > anymore

> > > or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

> > >

> > > I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks.

It

> > > fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

> > purpose

> > > of the creation was so.

> > >

> > > Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao

> and

> > > others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It

> took

> > my

> > > about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

> > conclusion

> > > when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

> > >

> > > The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology

> and

> > the

> > > great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all

> promoted

> > > just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

> > >

> > > "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> > > anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> > > nothing."

> > >

> > > "During the course of my astrological journey I have met

variety

> of

> > > people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully

> confused

> > > because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> > > knowledge and asked for my guidance."

> > >

> > > "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

> > based

> > > on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that

> you

> > > current status of confusion will continue."

> > >

> > > There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> > > classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the

time

> to

> > > find them now.

> > >

> > > The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in

> all

> > the

> > > lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time

> or

> > > even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know

> well

> > > about it.

> > >

> > > Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> > > system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are

> list

> > > for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

> > there

> > > if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but

> now

> > I

> > > see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic

> Astrology

> > is

> > > becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

> > Vedic

> > > Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology,

> when

> > an

> > > SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends

> up

> > > having an impression that those SA principles are standard

Vedic

> > > Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The

> insult

> > and

> > > disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic

> Astrology,

> > > it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> > > additional source of disgust.

> > >

> > > Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind

them

> > > being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> > > discussed, applied or mentioned here.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > > lord_narayana@l...

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> > >

[Guest guest]

Dear Shri. Tanvir Chowdhury,

Please permit me to write a few lines regarding the SA, which

you have most rightly banned from your list.

 

In May 2004, Shri. Vinod Kumar Choudhary, the Founder and the

Propounder of the Systems Approach(SA), has sent a legal notice

to Mr. Ron Grimes. Previously Mr. Grimes has learned the Systems

Approach from Shri. Choudhary by paying the student-fees of

Rs.25,000/-. Subsequently, Shri. Choudhary has given his

blessings and permission to Mr. Grimes to start practising the

Systems Approach. Mr. Grimes has then started writing his own

version of SA, which he has called "Grimes Refinements to the

Systems Approach", which is found more effective and highly

correct when it is applied to astrological charts by everyone

who uses the System of Mr. Grimes. Now, Shri. Choudhary does not

like this and he bans Mr. Grimes from using the Systems Approach

and sends a legal notice to Mr. Grimes that he should not use

the Systems Approach or he will have to face the legal action in

the Courts of Law.

 

Mr. Grimes like a true disciple bowing to his esteemed Guru has

removed his web-site on astrology which is at

http://www.sageasita.com and Mr. Grimes has also completely

stopped using the Systems Approach Astrology.

 

Then, two other seniour members of the Systems Approach, Ms.

Sandy Crowther and Ms. Donna Quinn have spoken up in support of

Mr. Grimes because they have wished to keep the writings of the

"Grimes Refinements to the Systems Approach Astrology" on their

own web-sites which are at

http://www.jupitersweb.com and http://satvatkc.sageasita.com

respectively. They also feel that Shri. Choudhary should not

behave in such a selfish and mean-minded manner but should be

humble and willing to promote and spread the astrological

knowledge of his System. But Shri. Choudhary is narrow-minded

and very egoistic and does not want to share the name of Systems

Approach with anyone like Mr. Grimes, Ms. Crowther, and Ms.

Quinn. So he has given them all an ultimatum and told them to

remove the Systems Approach content from their websites or he

will take strict legal action. So, Mr. Grimes, Ms. Crowther,

Ms. Quinn, have all removed the Systems Approach content, and

also the writings of "Grimes Refinements to the Systems

Approach" from their own websites.

 

Other members who have spoken out in support of Mr. Grimes, Ms.

Crowther, Ms. Quinn, have been banned and removed off from the

SA list.

 

Then Shri. Choudhary also removes Ms. Crowther and Ms. Quinn

from the post of Vice-Presidents from his organization which

is the International Institute of Predictive Astrology(IIPA).

 

Here is solid proof that Shri. Choudhary does not wish to share

his own founded system's knowledge with anyone. So how is Shri.

Amar Puri talking about the knowledge and sharing of SA

astrology, when Shri. Choudhary himself does not want to share

the SA with anyone including his own senior disciples?

 

Mr. Thor himself also is aware of all that has happened when

Shri. Choudhary sent legal notices to his own disciples for

using the Systems Approach. Actually, Mr. Thor has publicly

supported Shri. Choudhary when all this happened and said that

it is Shri. Choudhary's privilege to stop people from using the

Systems Approach because he is the sole Founder and Propounder

and so he has the legal right and also copy-right trade-mark

to decide who should use the SA and who should not use the SA

without Shri. Choudhary's permission. Now, we see, Mr. Thor is

asking other people to use the Systems Approach? What if

tomorrow Shri. Choudhary will send legal notices to people when

they use the Systems Approach? Will Mr. Thor help them to fight

the case in the Courts of Law against Shri. Choudhary?

 

Shri. Tanvir Chowdhury has done the correct option by banning

the SA from this list. Who knows, tomorrow Shri. Vinod Kumar

Choudhary will send a legal notice to Shri. Tanvir Chowdhury

for carrying out discussions of SA on and say

that SA should not be used by anyone who does not take Shri.

Choudhary's permission and approval, because SA is Shri.

Choudhary's own system and he owns the copy-right trademark

of SA, and he will take legal action against anyone who goes

against the copy-right use of SA?

 

But the reason given by Shri. Tanvir Chowdhury is that SA is

not very effective and correct. And when senior astrologers like

Pt. Sanjay Rath, P. V. R. Narasimha Rao, have stated also the

same, is there any use in discussions on a system which does not

work effectively? Just because the knowledge on SA is there, it

does not mean that it has to be used when it is not even giving

any effective and correct results. Why should anyone be a loser

in astrology by using something which does not work effectively

and correctly, when one can be a winner by using pure Vedic

astrology which work effectively, correctly, and reliably.

 

Finally it is very ill-minded and highly disrespectful of Shri.

Choudhary to speak such terrible comments about the great Vedic

revered astrologers such as late Dr. B. V. Raman. These comments

surely point to what kind of mentality, thinking and manners he

has and what kind of person he is in real life. It is very

disgusting to hear such comments about such deeply respected

astrologers and such persons should not be permitted on any

Vedic astrology list.

 

Thank you, Shri. Tanvir Chowdhury.

Namaste.

Roberto.

 

 

, "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Tanvirji,

> In my humble opinion banning any particular set of ideas or

> knowledge may not be proper and democratic. Nobody is sure what is

> wrong or right. Things should be discussed and rejected but not

> banned. As this Jyotish Remedies group has florished with different

> ideas of astrology, religion, philosphy, sprituality, etc we should

> be magnanimous in accepting ideas and knowledges.

> Inder

>

> -- In , "amarpuri2004"

<satvac@h...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

> >

> > Hare Krishna.

> >

> > With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that

> we,the

> > human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all

different

> > directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which

is

> > the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic

scripture

> > coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

> > Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in

the

> > battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

> >

> > The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create

> lacks

> > and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand

> to

> > get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

> >

> > Hari Bol.

> >

> > With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

> >

> > , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> > <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally

did

> > so,

> > > but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

> > anymore

> > > or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

> > >

> > > I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks.

It

> > > fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

> > purpose

> > > of the creation was so.

> > >

> > > Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao

> and

> > > others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It

> took

> > my

> > > about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

> > conclusion

> > > when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

> > >

> > > The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology

> and

> > the

> > > great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all

> promoted

> > > just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

> > >

> > > "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> > > anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> > > nothing."

> > >

> > > "During the course of my astrological journey I have met

variety

> of

> > > people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully

> confused

> > > because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> > > knowledge and asked for my guidance."

> > >

> > > "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

> > based

> > > on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that

> you

> > > current status of confusion will continue."

> > >

> > > There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> > > classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the

time

> to

> > > find them now.

> > >

> > > The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in

> all

> > the

> > > lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time

> or

> > > even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know

> well

> > > about it.

> > >

> > > Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> > > system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are

> list

> > > for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

> > there

> > > if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but

> now

> > I

> > > see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic

> Astrology

> > is

> > > becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

> > Vedic

> > > Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology,

> when

> > an

> > > SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends

> up

> > > having an impression that those SA principles are standard

Vedic

> > > Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The

> insult

> > and

> > > disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic

> Astrology,

> > > it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> > > additional source of disgust.

> > >

> > > Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind

them

> > > being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> > > discussed, applied or mentioned here.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> > >

> > > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > > lord_narayana@l...

> > > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

You say, banning a system might be undemocratic. Then, is it called to be

democracy to use a forum for a subject where the forum is not meant or purposed

for it?

 

Each forum is meant for a subject / set of subject and it is not a democracy to

discuss topic out of the area of the list. There are lists for vedic astrology,

western astrology, chinese astrology, burmese astrology and each one is meant to

that subject only. There are other forums for other subjects like gardening,

movies, musics etc etc. Awareness to AIDS might be a very useful and important

subject. But this list is not mean for that.

 

You could tell is violating the democracy if I insisted that one should give up

practicing a particular system. But people create forums for particular purposes

and they are to decide for which purpose the forum is to work.

 

If a members set of interest does not match the purpose of a forum, he can

create a separate forum [it is FREE] and people interested will join.

 

I agree to the point 100% that things should be discussed. But how? You go to SA

list, and put up a chart that does not match as per SA, and then try to match

the events with pure vedic astrology, you will be strictly banned saying the

list for SA ONLY. You will never be given a SIMPLE CHANCE. If the guys were

confident then they would allow freely to read real life charts with both SA and

pure vedic astrology and let people compare the both. But no, anyone raising any

question out of SA will be banned. Is this the chance of discussion?

 

I truly know what is SA but I DO NOT IMPOSE my decision to others. That IS

democracy. But I have founded the list for Vedic Astrology and not for SA.

People are discussing here vedic astrology and not SA, only exception being Mr

Amar Puri. Now if some SA guys come and tell me I should allow SA violating my

purpose of creation of this list, should I prove myself DEMOCRATIC to do so?

Anyone interested in SA can join SA list and test and learn it and do whatever.

 

I informally banned SA before but then Mr Amar Puri came up and discussed it. I

tolerate SA for long only for his honour. Banninf or something is that I hate to

do. No list owner likes to ban people or anything. But recently, the discussion

of SA is contradicting vedic astrology too much and teaching people SA than

vedic astrology, which is not the purpose of this forum. SA is going far now

here to fundamentally contradict vedic astrology AND IT SHOULD DO SO because it

is basically different from vedic astrology.

 

I also requested Mr Amar Puri once that when he uses SA he should mention that

as per SA such such such. He does not do so, that creates an impression to a

newcomer that the things he is using are of pure vedic astrology. A KP

astrologer naturally mentions this is KP technique and it should be done and it

is a GLORY of a different system if it proves to be better. So why not

mentioning what system you are using, if your one proves to be better, let

people identify it.

 

Anyway, I myself has raised many questions regarding my chart in SA list itself

and no one could give a valid answer. The answer and reasons they gave to match

my chart as per SA, I applied to other charts that those reason do not prove

true as per SA.

 

I am eager to discuss but SA guys are not. If SA list would allow pure vedic

astrology and results compared to SA, it would mean their freeness and

opennness. Still, if a authority of SA, like Mr. Chaudhry comes to this list or

comes to some list to discuss SA VS vedic astrology, I would take part. But SA

list itself does not allow this.

 

Anyway, I am really very tired of giving explanations. And this explanations I

am giving because I believe in democracy so I believe an administrator is to

give explanations for an action he takes. but it is not that people would ask

the same thing in many different way and he has to answer same thing over and

over. It has been my experience that even most stupid and fraud people are

supported, appreciated and followed by some people and even most kind and honest

people are envied and protested by some people saying what he is doing is not

right.

 

Bottomline, anyone want to learn SA or practice it, he can do so by contacting

Mr Choudhry or joining SA list, a SA member already has given all the addresses.

But this list is not meant for SA.

 

And I do not want any discussion on this anymore. Not even supporting me.

 

Tanvir.

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.

Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir Chowdhury

lord_narayana

http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

 

 

-

Inder

Friday, September 03, 2004 5:06 PM

Re: Banning of SA . ATTN.TANVIR AND THE LIST

 

 

Dear Tanvirji,

In my humble opinion banning any particular set of ideas or

knowledge may not be proper and democratic. Nobody is sure what is

wrong or right. Things should be discussed and rejected but not

banned. As this Jyotish Remedies group has florished with different

ideas of astrology, religion, philosphy, sprituality, etc we should

be magnanimous in accepting ideas and knowledges.

Inder

 

-- In , "amarpuri2004" <satvac@h...>

wrote:

> Dear Tanvir and the List Member,

>

> Hare Krishna.

>

> With all due respect to all, it is understood and known that

we,the

> human beings perceive and receive the knowledge from all different

> directions even though the source of the knowledge is ONE which is

> the Absolute Divine knowledge based on the ancient Vedic scripture

> coming down through the disciplic succession from the Supreme

> Creator, Lord Shri Krishna as HE declares HIMSELF to Arjuna in the

> battlefield of Kurukestra. No body can deny to this.

>

> The more we limit our sources of knowledge the more we create

lacks

> and limitation in learning this divine knowledge and hence stand

to

> get confussed regardless of any school of Jyotish.

>

> Hari Bol.

>

> With my best wishes...........Amar Puri.

>

> , "Tanvir Chowdhury"

> <lord_narayana@l...> wrote:

> > Hello all,

> >

> > I just banned SA of this list. A few times I have informally did

> so,

> > but now, formally. I would not like SA topics discussed here

> anymore

> > or charts discussed with SA, or the efficacy of their 'Kavach'.

> >

> > I have discussed the SA techniques a lot showing their lacks. It

> > fundamentally contradicts the Original Vedic Astrology - the

> purpose

> > of the creation was so.

> >

> > Learned Astrologers like Pt. Sanjay Rath, P V R Narasimha Rao

and

> > others have expressed their views already disapproving it. It

took

> my

> > about 4/5 hours to check SA with true charts, and come to

> conclusion

> > when I first tested it long ago, when I just heard of it.

> >

> > The founder of SA has repeatedly commented on Vedic Astrology

and

> the

> > great Vedic Astrologers including B V Raman, that they all

promoted

> > just confusions and these all were bogus. Some quotes from him -

> >

> > "With traditional astrology people spend life and do not learn

> > anything. If you want to test,leave SA and then test. There is

> > nothing."

> >

> > "During the course of my astrological journey I have met variety

of

> > people. Some approached me in writing that they are fully

confused

> > because of the contradictions and inconsistencies of classical

> > knowledge and asked for my guidance."

> >

> > "If you continue to read late Dr. B V Raman or any other author

> based

> > on the classics, it is your choice but one thing is sure that

you

> > current status of confusion will continue."

> >

> > There are other serious insulting comments from him on Vedic

> > classics, Vedic Astrolgy and Astrologers, I do not have the time

to

> > find them now.

> >

> > The 'efficacy' of the SA and the Kavach has been discussed in

all

> the

> > lists many times, including their own list. I now have no time

or

> > even interest to discuss them. Many of you might already know

well

> > about it.

> >

> > Bottom line, this list is meant for Pure Vedic Astrology and no

> > system that contradicts it directly is allowed here. There are

list

> > for SA and they do not allow anything than SA, you can go join

> there

> > if interested in SA. Recently I was allowing SA for a while but

now

> I

> > see that the contradictions SA is making with Pure Vedic

Astrology

> is

> > becoming too much and making people gradually far from the Pure

> Vedic

> > Astrology and creating a wrong impression of Vedic Astrology,

when

> an

> > SA astrologer does not mention he is using SA, the reader ends

up

> > having an impression that those SA principles are standard Vedic

> > Astrology principles - but they are far from being so. The

insult

> and

> > disrespectfull comments of the founder of SA about Vedic

Astrology,

> > it's classics, it's sage and it's great practitioner is also an

> > additional source of disgust.

> >

> > Still, I respect any SA astrologers here and would not mind them

> > being here. But as I said, I would not like any SA techniques

> > discussed, applied or mentioned here.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Tanvir Chowdhury.

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > lord_narayana@l...

> > http://www.jyotish-remedies.com

> >

 

 

 

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