Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, I am just taking a part of your post to post a query - In one of my articles I have dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands might not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, such is our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and keeping its domain pure. The origin of Original BPHS or the non original one can only be co- related once someone has thread the journey of either experiencing the original one or have put forward a reasoning strong enough for such a dare. I think the latter one seems more likely for your above writing. I just want to say one thing that perhaps the charts that we come across in our day to day life(and also our own experience) speak themselves of validity of any principle(or books). Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Most of us jyotishis consider Parashara Muni's writings and stories > around him and his life as gospel. How often have we heard that if > it is in BPHS, it has got to be right. In one of my articles I have > dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands might > not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, such is > our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and keeping > its domain pure. > > We today run into this question of whether humans, some humans at > least can choose birth timings? The ultimate exercise of freedom of > choice, it would seem, if only we KNEW what that BEST time would be! > We, who cannot predict 100% of times or things, and who ignore > reminders sent our way through reminders sent our way, many times > during our lives. > > And, yet there is that fable that I had heard and I forget details > of that one maharaja adviced by his astrologer, made his wife in > labor to be placed in a position which would delay labour! > > And there is that more popular fable (account?) of Parashara riding > a boat and suddenly realizing that an extremely opportune > astrological moment was there for the conception of a great soul and > approached and convinced Matsyagandha (the belle from a fishing > family who smells like fish!) to help him bring to this world a soul > no inconsequential than Vedavyaasa! Perhaps my facts are wrong, the > fable is wrong, or maybe it illustrates the point that there are > instants in our reality that do bring in great souls, and that how > they are conceived, in love or not, makes no difference to how they > will turn out! Maybe each birth is more karmic than the relationship > of the precursors and their own karmic dramas. Perhaps parents > beaten to pulp by ill-educated and completely confused psychologists > can breathe a sigh of relief in this old indian tale of how its > great epics were written by one who was conceived in a moment -- not > of passion or love, but astrological knowledge and biological > convenience. > > Makes one feel like such a small cog in this Grand Cosmic Plan that > some of the science fiction writers have so well tuned-in on! The > impersonal nature of reality and of the creation! It is impersonal, > of course, as long as we consider ourselves as individuals and > remain dis-connected. On the other hand, if All is ONE, then it > begins to make sense. What my intestine is doing or absorbing at > this moment, my heart and coronary vessels may not know at this > moment, but come tomorrow or next year, the heart would know the > difference that my brain's choice made in what I ate tonight and > what my intestine recklessly absorbed this night! Who paid the > price, ultimately? The intestine, the brain, the heart, the body, or > I? > > Sorry, folks, if I am getting too graphic in this response! > > Affectionately, > > RR > > > , "Venkatarama Sreelatha" > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > Interesting discussion. A while back, I spend some time thinking > > about this very scenario, since choosing the time of birth seems > > pretty commonplace these days. My conclusion was that it was just > > the same as finding the right muhurtam for beginning any other > > auspicious task. Pretty much every arranged marriage in India is > > conducted after accertaining the correct muhurta, but how many of > > these STILL turn out badly? There are so many other factors that > > make a good marriage. So also for timing birth, this takes care of > > one factor, out of a possible million or so :-), and that > particular > > soul who needs to take birth at the time of the c-section, in that > > family, in that situation, with that future etc etc, will find > this > > situation and take birth as this baby. > > > > In a roundabout way, I am agreeing with you, Gaurav, Mark and > Inder! > > Just my opinion, as always. > > > > -Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear friends, > > > This idea of selecting time of birth is not right. > > > There is possibility of making some judgemental error and > instead > > of > > > choosing some correct[?] fortunate[?] time, one may select a > time > > > which may be most unfortunate time. One can not undo this if > one > > > realise the mistake later. In our site here if we are not able > to > > > decide correct ayanmsa to be used, who can select correct > > > auspicious minute of time. > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , Mark Kincaid > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, all: > > > > > > > > It is the nature of all of us to seek 'better and better'.... > > > > > > > > Whether it's in life...or in choosing a better more ideal > birth > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish teaches that ..... we've come to work on these > > qualities, > > > and in > > > > fact, the exact time of birth ..... is ideal for us.... > > > > > > > > but,...that 'time'..... is only the beginning.... > > > > > > > > After that beginning, we are meant to strive for more and > more... > > > > for better and better.... to become 'all that we can > > become'...... > > > > > > > > We can try and pick a more ideal time, like in that cesarian > > > births... > > > > > > > > but...those who are around the birthing process..... > > > > > > > > acclaim....that .... though doctores, themselves, try > > and 'pick'... > > > > sometimes... however.... > > > > > > > > experience shows that ..... it's very difficult to try and > > > manipulate... > > > > that choice.... > > > > > > > > Therefore, a better way of thinking about this whole affair, > is > > to > > > focus on > > > > the birth chart, after the birth.... > > > > > > > > that birth chart is an accurate, and yes, perfect,.... > > > description... of > > > > what we've all come to 'do'! > > > > > > > > Our charts are not just symbolic, therefore, of our 'fates'.... > > > > but also,.... representative.... > > > > > > > > of our evolution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid.... > > > > > > > > > > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a > Jyotish > > > > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well > as > > > other > > > > aspects > > > > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is > > > interested, in > > > > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > > m.kincaid@m... > > > > > > > > I, also have a new /message board, called > > > > which is a nice blending of both Western & > > Eastern > > > > Astrologys. You can > > > > check that out at: > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:19:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > Re: WHICH IS BEST TIME TO TAKE BIRTH ?????? > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maonj, > > > > > I personally think that we should leave that to God and > > > > > should not interfere in such a process. > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > , MANOJ SAXENA > > > <max61262> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> To all respected Gurus, > > > > >> > > > > >> IF PLANETS POSITIONS IS KEY FOR ANY BODY'S FAITH THAN > > > > >> CAN SOME BODY SUGGEST ME, IN COMING DAYS WHICH IS BEST > > > > >> DAY AND TIME TO TAKE BIRTH. > > > > >> > > > > >> ONE MY RELATVIE IS SUGGESTED BY DOCTOR TO HAVE > > > > >> SURGICAL DELIVERY AS SOME COMPLICATIONS ARE THERE. SO > > > > >> THEY WERE FORECD TO HAVE SURGERY. THERE ARE ASKING ME > > > > >> ABOVE QUESTION AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM > > > > >> CORRECTELLY. > > > > >> > > > > >> MANOJ.../ > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2004 Not sure if I understand accurately, Gauruv. What is the query? I do not see a question mark in your posting to lead me to it. Am I missing something? RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Rohini ji, > > I am just taking a part of your post to post a query > > - In one of my articles I have dared voice the question that what we > now have in our hands might not be the original BPHS but that has > fallen on deaf ears, such is our belief in the power of jyotish in it > staying alive and keeping its domain pure. > > The origin of Original BPHS or the non original one can only be co- > related once someone has thread the journey of either experiencing > the original one or have put forward a reasoning strong enough for > such a dare. I think the latter one seems more likely for your above > writing. I just want to say one thing that perhaps the charts that we > come across in our day to day life(and also our own experience) speak > themselves of validity of any principle(or books). > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most of us jyotishis consider Parashara Muni's writings and stories > > around him and his life as gospel. How often have we heard that if > > it is in BPHS, it has got to be right. In one of my articles I have > > dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands might > > not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, such is > > our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and keeping > > its domain pure. > > > > We today run into this question of whether humans, some humans at > > least can choose birth timings? The ultimate exercise of freedom of > > choice, it would seem, if only we KNEW what that BEST time would > be! > > We, who cannot predict 100% of times or things, and who ignore > > reminders sent our way through reminders sent our way, many times > > during our lives. > > > > And, yet there is that fable that I had heard and I forget details > > of that one maharaja adviced by his astrologer, made his wife in > > labor to be placed in a position which would delay labour! > > > > And there is that more popular fable (account?) of Parashara riding > > a boat and suddenly realizing that an extremely opportune > > astrological moment was there for the conception of a great soul > and > > approached and convinced Matsyagandha (the belle from a fishing > > family who smells like fish!) to help him bring to this world a > soul > > no inconsequential than Vedavyaasa! Perhaps my facts are wrong, the > > fable is wrong, or maybe it illustrates the point that there are > > instants in our reality that do bring in great souls, and that how > > they are conceived, in love or not, makes no difference to how they > > will turn out! Maybe each birth is more karmic than the > relationship > > of the precursors and their own karmic dramas. Perhaps parents > > beaten to pulp by ill-educated and completely confused > psychologists > > can breathe a sigh of relief in this old indian tale of how its > > great epics were written by one who was conceived in a moment -- > not > > of passion or love, but astrological knowledge and biological > > convenience. > > > > Makes one feel like such a small cog in this Grand Cosmic Plan that > > some of the science fiction writers have so well tuned-in on! The > > impersonal nature of reality and of the creation! It is impersonal, > > of course, as long as we consider ourselves as individuals and > > remain dis-connected. On the other hand, if All is ONE, then it > > begins to make sense. What my intestine is doing or absorbing at > > this moment, my heart and coronary vessels may not know at this > > moment, but come tomorrow or next year, the heart would know the > > difference that my brain's choice made in what I ate tonight and > > what my intestine recklessly absorbed this night! Who paid the > > price, ultimately? The intestine, the brain, the heart, the body, > or > > I? > > > > Sorry, folks, if I am getting too graphic in this response! > > > > Affectionately, > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Venkatarama Sreelatha" > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > Interesting discussion. A while back, I spend some time thinking > > > about this very scenario, since choosing the time of birth seems > > > pretty commonplace these days. My conclusion was that it was just > > > the same as finding the right muhurtam for beginning any other > > > auspicious task. Pretty much every arranged marriage in India is > > > conducted after accertaining the correct muhurta, but how many of > > > these STILL turn out badly? There are so many other factors that > > > make a good marriage. So also for timing birth, this takes care > of > > > one factor, out of a possible million or so :-), and that > > particular > > > soul who needs to take birth at the time of the c-section, in > that > > > family, in that situation, with that future etc etc, will find > > this > > > situation and take birth as this baby. > > > > > > In a roundabout way, I am agreeing with you, Gaurav, Mark and > > Inder! > > > Just my opinion, as always. > > > > > > -Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > This idea of selecting time of birth is not right. > > > > There is possibility of making some judgemental error and > > instead > > > of > > > > choosing some correct[?] fortunate[?] time, one may select a > > time > > > > which may be most unfortunate time. One can not undo this if > > one > > > > realise the mistake later. In our site here if we are not able > > to > > > > decide correct ayanmsa to be used, who can select correct > > > > auspicious minute of time. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > -- In , Mark Kincaid > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, all: > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of all of us to seek 'better and better'.... > > > > > > > > > > Whether it's in life...or in choosing a better more ideal > > birth > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish teaches that ..... we've come to work on these > > > qualities, > > > > and in > > > > > fact, the exact time of birth ..... is ideal for us.... > > > > > > > > > > but,...that 'time'..... is only the beginning.... > > > > > > > > > > After that beginning, we are meant to strive for more and > > more... > > > > > for better and better.... to become 'all that we can > > > become'...... > > > > > > > > > > We can try and pick a more ideal time, like in that cesarian > > > > births... > > > > > > > > > > but...those who are around the birthing process..... > > > > > > > > > > acclaim....that .... though doctores, themselves, try > > > and 'pick'... > > > > > sometimes... however.... > > > > > > > > > > experience shows that ..... it's very difficult to try and > > > > manipulate... > > > > > that choice.... > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a better way of thinking about this whole affair, > > is > > > to > > > > focus on > > > > > the birth chart, after the birth.... > > > > > > > > > > that birth chart is an accurate, and yes, perfect,.... > > > > description... of > > > > > what we've all come to 'do'! > > > > > > > > > > Our charts are not just symbolic, therefore, of > our 'fates'.... > > > > > but also,.... representative.... > > > > > > > > > > of our evolution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a > > Jyotish > > > > > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as well > > as > > > > other > > > > > aspects > > > > > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group is > > > > interested, in > > > > > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > > > m.kincaid@m... > > > > > > > > > > I, also have a new /message board, called > > > > > which is a nice blending of both Western & > > > Eastern > > > > > Astrologys. You can > > > > > check that out at: > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:19:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: WHICH IS BEST TIME TO TAKE BIRTH ?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maonj, > > > > > > I personally think that we should leave that to God and > > > > > > should not interfere in such a process. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , MANOJ SAXENA > > > > <max61262> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >> To all respected Gurus, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> IF PLANETS POSITIONS IS KEY FOR ANY BODY'S FAITH THAN > > > > > >> CAN SOME BODY SUGGEST ME, IN COMING DAYS WHICH IS BEST > > > > > >> DAY AND TIME TO TAKE BIRTH. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ONE MY RELATVIE IS SUGGESTED BY DOCTOR TO HAVE > > > > > >> SURGICAL DELIVERY AS SOME COMPLICATIONS ARE THERE. SO > > > > > >> THEY WERE FORECD TO HAVE SURGERY. THERE ARE ASKING ME > > > > > >> ABOVE QUESTION AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM > > > > > >> CORRECTELLY. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> MANOJ.../ > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, I really didnt put a question mark(my apologies). Actually what i mean to ask what was your logic behind to attempt such a dare?( although i have myself presumed one logic which did mentioned in the previous post). And what about authenticity about other classics? Do we put them also to test(Jamini)? Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Not sure if I understand accurately, Gauruv. What is the query? I do > not see a question mark in your posting to lead me to it. Am I > missing something? > > RR > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > I am just taking a part of your post to post a query > > > > - In one of my articles I have dared voice the question that what > we > > now have in our hands might not be the original BPHS but that has > > fallen on deaf ears, such is our belief in the power of jyotish in > it > > staying alive and keeping its domain pure. > > > > The origin of Original BPHS or the non original one can only be co- > > related once someone has thread the journey of either experiencing > > the original one or have put forward a reasoning strong enough for > > such a dare. I think the latter one seems more likely for your > above > > writing. I just want to say one thing that perhaps the charts that > we > > come across in our day to day life(and also our own experience) > speak > > themselves of validity of any principle(or books). > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Most of us jyotishis consider Parashara Muni's writings and > stories > > > around him and his life as gospel. How often have we heard that > if > > > it is in BPHS, it has got to be right. In one of my articles I > have > > > dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands > might > > > not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, such > is > > > our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and > keeping > > > its domain pure. > > > > > > We today run into this question of whether humans, some humans > at > > > least can choose birth timings? The ultimate exercise of freedom > of > > > choice, it would seem, if only we KNEW what that BEST time would > > be! > > > We, who cannot predict 100% of times or things, and who ignore > > > reminders sent our way through reminders sent our way, many > times > > > during our lives. > > > > > > And, yet there is that fable that I had heard and I forget > details > > > of that one maharaja adviced by his astrologer, made his wife in > > > labor to be placed in a position which would delay labour! > > > > > > And there is that more popular fable (account?) of Parashara > riding > > > a boat and suddenly realizing that an extremely opportune > > > astrological moment was there for the conception of a great soul > > and > > > approached and convinced Matsyagandha (the belle from a fishing > > > family who smells like fish!) to help him bring to this world a > > soul > > > no inconsequential than Vedavyaasa! Perhaps my facts are wrong, > the > > > fable is wrong, or maybe it illustrates the point that there are > > > instants in our reality that do bring in great souls, and that > how > > > they are conceived, in love or not, makes no difference to how > they > > > will turn out! Maybe each birth is more karmic than the > > relationship > > > of the precursors and their own karmic dramas. Perhaps parents > > > beaten to pulp by ill-educated and completely confused > > psychologists > > > can breathe a sigh of relief in this old indian tale of how its > > > great epics were written by one who was conceived in a moment -- > > not > > > of passion or love, but astrological knowledge and biological > > > convenience. > > > > > > Makes one feel like such a small cog in this Grand Cosmic Plan > that > > > some of the science fiction writers have so well tuned-in on! > The > > > impersonal nature of reality and of the creation! It is > impersonal, > > > of course, as long as we consider ourselves as individuals and > > > remain dis-connected. On the other hand, if All is ONE, then it > > > begins to make sense. What my intestine is doing or absorbing at > > > this moment, my heart and coronary vessels may not know at this > > > moment, but come tomorrow or next year, the heart would know the > > > difference that my brain's choice made in what I ate tonight and > > > what my intestine recklessly absorbed this night! Who paid the > > > price, ultimately? The intestine, the brain, the heart, the > body, > > or > > > I? > > > > > > Sorry, folks, if I am getting too graphic in this response! > > > > > > Affectionately, > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > , "Venkatarama Sreelatha" > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > Interesting discussion. A while back, I spend some time > thinking > > > > about this very scenario, since choosing the time of birth > seems > > > > pretty commonplace these days. My conclusion was that it was > just > > > > the same as finding the right muhurtam for beginning any other > > > > auspicious task. Pretty much every arranged marriage in India > is > > > > conducted after accertaining the correct muhurta, but how many > of > > > > these STILL turn out badly? There are so many other factors > that > > > > make a good marriage. So also for timing birth, this takes > care > > of > > > > one factor, out of a possible million or so :-), and that > > > particular > > > > soul who needs to take birth at the time of the c-section, in > > that > > > > family, in that situation, with that future etc etc, will find > > > this > > > > situation and take birth as this baby. > > > > > > > > In a roundabout way, I am agreeing with you, Gaurav, Mark and > > > Inder! > > > > Just my opinion, as always. > > > > > > > > -Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > This idea of selecting time of birth is not right. > > > > > There is possibility of making some judgemental error and > > > instead > > > > of > > > > > choosing some correct[?] fortunate[?] time, one may select a > > > time > > > > > which may be most unfortunate time. One can not undo this > if > > > one > > > > > realise the mistake later. In our site here if we are not > able > > > to > > > > > decide correct ayanmsa to be used, who can select correct > > > > > auspicious minute of time. > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Mark Kincaid > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, all: > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of all of us to seek 'better and > better'.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it's in life...or in choosing a better more ideal > > > birth > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish teaches that ..... we've come to work on these > > > > qualities, > > > > > and in > > > > > > fact, the exact time of birth ..... is ideal for us.... > > > > > > > > > > > > but,...that 'time'..... is only the beginning.... > > > > > > > > > > > > After that beginning, we are meant to strive for more and > > > more... > > > > > > for better and better.... to become 'all that we can > > > > become'...... > > > > > > > > > > > > We can try and pick a more ideal time, like in that > cesarian > > > > > births... > > > > > > > > > > > > but...those who are around the birthing process..... > > > > > > > > > > > > acclaim....that .... though doctores, themselves, try > > > > and 'pick'... > > > > > > sometimes... however.... > > > > > > > > > > > > experience shows that ..... it's very difficult to try > and > > > > > manipulate... > > > > > > that choice.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a better way of thinking about this whole > affair, > > > is > > > > to > > > > > focus on > > > > > > the birth chart, after the birth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > that birth chart is an accurate, and yes, perfect,.... > > > > > description... of > > > > > > what we've all come to 'do'! > > > > > > > > > > > > Our charts are not just symbolic, therefore, of > > our 'fates'.... > > > > > > but also,.... representative.... > > > > > > > > > > > > of our evolution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a > > > Jyotish > > > > > > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as > well > > > as > > > > > other > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group > is > > > > > interested, in > > > > > > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > > > > m.kincaid@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > I, also have a new /message board, called > > > > > > which is a nice blending of both Western > & > > > > Eastern > > > > > > Astrologys. You can > > > > > > check that out at: > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:19:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: WHICH IS BEST TIME TO TAKE > BIRTH ?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maonj, > > > > > > > I personally think that we should leave that to God and > > > > > > > should not interfere in such a process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , MANOJ SAXENA > > > > > <max61262> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > >> To all respected Gurus, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> IF PLANETS POSITIONS IS KEY FOR ANY BODY'S FAITH THAN > > > > > > >> CAN SOME BODY SUGGEST ME, IN COMING DAYS WHICH IS BEST > > > > > > >> DAY AND TIME TO TAKE BIRTH. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> ONE MY RELATVIE IS SUGGESTED BY DOCTOR TO HAVE > > > > > > >> SURGICAL DELIVERY AS SOME COMPLICATIONS ARE THERE. SO > > > > > > >> THEY WERE FORECD TO HAVE SURGERY. THERE ARE ASKING ME > > > > > > >> ABOVE QUESTION AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM > > > > > > >> CORRECTELLY. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> MANOJ.../ > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2004 It is not a matter of putting a dare or to challenge someone or some school of thought. Astrologers claim so heavily at being logical and rational and yet when it comes to questioning the very base of such logic, there is a sacred silence. On the one hand we say and accept that a lot of jyotish has become corrupted over the last thousands of years -- maybe more during the several hundred years during which India and its culture has been invaded by foreign invaders not all of whom were as kind and helpful as has been often portrayed by our immediately senior generations -- and at the other hand, we assume that so called classics like BPHS or other similar texts have miraculously remained unsullied! How can this be, Gauruv? There are at least half a dozen variants of BPHS. Even the two recent versions, translated by Santhanam and Sharma have chapters all different from each other, and some portions missing and so on. It is not possible for any one individual or even a whole school of individuals to test all the tenets and no one is asking or expecting anyone to do that. But, let us be honest about it and admit that there could be room for quality control there and some of the astrological dicta may not be all accurate, uncorrupted and directly applicable. If a ball of gold somehow acquired a chunk of iron in it, let us not call it all a ball of gold, and let us harbour and admit the possibility of the rust spot in the ball of gold as being just that! And if one finds that something tested does work in a series of charts, let us share that, certainly with the caution in our mind that this may not be the ultimate truth. Astrological deductions are very complex and I have seen how people get hung up on a certain combination but forget that there were other things in the chart that could have explained it as well. Prudence demands that when we see a striking result, we look also for other things that may explain it otherwise. And, this is not something everyone can do all the time or that it is necessary. However, I will voice my caution, regardless! Does this make sense, even if it may not resonate with your way of thinking or acceptance? RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > Hello Rohini ji, > > I really didnt put a question mark(my apologies). Actually what i > mean to ask what was your logic behind to attempt such a dare?( > although i have myself presumed one logic which did mentioned in the > previous post). And what about authenticity about other classics? Do > we put them also to test(Jamini)? > > Gaurav > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Not sure if I understand accurately, Gauruv. What is the query? I > do > > not see a question mark in your posting to lead me to it. Am I > > missing something? > > > > RR > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > > > I am just taking a part of your post to post a query > > > > > > - In one of my articles I have dared voice the question that what > > we > > > now have in our hands might not be the original BPHS but that has > > > fallen on deaf ears, such is our belief in the power of jyotish > in > > it > > > staying alive and keeping its domain pure. > > > > > > The origin of Original BPHS or the non original one can only be > co- > > > related once someone has thread the journey of either > experiencing > > > the original one or have put forward a reasoning strong enough > for > > > such a dare. I think the latter one seems more likely for your > > above > > > writing. I just want to say one thing that perhaps the charts > that > > we > > > come across in our day to day life(and also our own experience) > > speak > > > themselves of validity of any principle(or books). > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > <rrgb@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > Most of us jyotishis consider Parashara Muni's writings and > > stories > > > > around him and his life as gospel. How often have we heard that > > if > > > > it is in BPHS, it has got to be right. In one of my articles I > > have > > > > dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands > > might > > > > not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, such > > is > > > > our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and > > keeping > > > > its domain pure. > > > > > > > > We today run into this question of whether humans, some humans > > at > > > > least can choose birth timings? The ultimate exercise of > freedom > > of > > > > choice, it would seem, if only we KNEW what that BEST time > would > > > be! > > > > We, who cannot predict 100% of times or things, and who ignore > > > > reminders sent our way through reminders sent our way, many > > times > > > > during our lives. > > > > > > > > And, yet there is that fable that I had heard and I forget > > details > > > > of that one maharaja adviced by his astrologer, made his wife > in > > > > labor to be placed in a position which would delay labour! > > > > > > > > And there is that more popular fable (account?) of Parashara > > riding > > > > a boat and suddenly realizing that an extremely opportune > > > > astrological moment was there for the conception of a great > soul > > > and > > > > approached and convinced Matsyagandha (the belle from a fishing > > > > family who smells like fish!) to help him bring to this world a > > > soul > > > > no inconsequential than Vedavyaasa! Perhaps my facts are wrong, > > the > > > > fable is wrong, or maybe it illustrates the point that there > are > > > > instants in our reality that do bring in great souls, and that > > how > > > > they are conceived, in love or not, makes no difference to how > > they > > > > will turn out! Maybe each birth is more karmic than the > > > relationship > > > > of the precursors and their own karmic dramas. Perhaps parents > > > > beaten to pulp by ill-educated and completely confused > > > psychologists > > > > can breathe a sigh of relief in this old indian tale of how its > > > > great epics were written by one who was conceived in a moment -- > > > > not > > > > of passion or love, but astrological knowledge and biological > > > > convenience. > > > > > > > > Makes one feel like such a small cog in this Grand Cosmic Plan > > that > > > > some of the science fiction writers have so well tuned-in on! > > The > > > > impersonal nature of reality and of the creation! It is > > impersonal, > > > > of course, as long as we consider ourselves as individuals and > > > > remain dis-connected. On the other hand, if All is ONE, then it > > > > begins to make sense. What my intestine is doing or absorbing > at > > > > this moment, my heart and coronary vessels may not know at this > > > > moment, but come tomorrow or next year, the heart would know > the > > > > difference that my brain's choice made in what I ate tonight > and > > > > what my intestine recklessly absorbed this night! Who paid the > > > > price, ultimately? The intestine, the brain, the heart, the > > body, > > > or > > > > I? > > > > > > > > Sorry, folks, if I am getting too graphic in this response! > > > > > > > > Affectionately, > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Venkatarama > Sreelatha" > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > Interesting discussion. A while back, I spend some time > > thinking > > > > > about this very scenario, since choosing the time of birth > > seems > > > > > pretty commonplace these days. My conclusion was that it was > > just > > > > > the same as finding the right muhurtam for beginning any > other > > > > > auspicious task. Pretty much every arranged marriage in India > > is > > > > > conducted after accertaining the correct muhurta, but how > many > > of > > > > > these STILL turn out badly? There are so many other factors > > that > > > > > make a good marriage. So also for timing birth, this takes > > care > > > of > > > > > one factor, out of a possible million or so :-), and that > > > > particular > > > > > soul who needs to take birth at the time of the c-section, in > > > that > > > > > family, in that situation, with that future etc etc, will > find > > > > this > > > > > situation and take birth as this baby. > > > > > > > > > > In a roundabout way, I am agreeing with you, Gaurav, Mark and > > > > Inder! > > > > > Just my opinion, as always. > > > > > > > > > > -Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > This idea of selecting time of birth is not right. > > > > > > There is possibility of making some judgemental error and > > > > instead > > > > > of > > > > > > choosing some correct[?] fortunate[?] time, one may select > a > > > > time > > > > > > which may be most unfortunate time. One can not undo this > > if > > > > one > > > > > > realise the mistake later. In our site here if we are not > > able > > > > to > > > > > > decide correct ayanmsa to be used, who can select correct > > > > > > auspicious minute of time. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Mark Kincaid > > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Friends, all: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of all of us to seek 'better and > > better'.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it's in life...or in choosing a better more ideal > > > > birth > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish teaches that ..... we've come to work on these > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > fact, the exact time of birth ..... is ideal for us.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but,...that 'time'..... is only the beginning.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that beginning, we are meant to strive for more and > > > > more... > > > > > > > for better and better.... to become 'all that we can > > > > > become'...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can try and pick a more ideal time, like in that > > cesarian > > > > > > births... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...those who are around the birthing process..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acclaim....that .... though doctores, themselves, try > > > > > and 'pick'... > > > > > > > sometimes... however.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience shows that ..... it's very difficult to try > > and > > > > > > manipulate... > > > > > > > that choice.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a better way of thinking about this whole > > affair, > > > > is > > > > > to > > > > > > focus on > > > > > > > the birth chart, after the birth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that birth chart is an accurate, and yes, perfect,.... > > > > > > description... of > > > > > > > what we've all come to 'do'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our charts are not just symbolic, therefore, of > > > our 'fates'.... > > > > > > > but also,.... representative.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our evolution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write a > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter as > > well > > > > as > > > > > > other > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this group > > is > > > > > > interested, in > > > > > > > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > > > > > m.kincaid@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, also have a new /message board, called > > > > > > > which is a nice blending of both Western > > & > > > > > Eastern > > > > > > > Astrologys. You can > > > > > > > check that out at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:19:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: WHICH IS BEST TIME TO TAKE > > BIRTH ?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maonj, > > > > > > > > I personally think that we should leave that to God and > > > > > > > > should not interfere in such a process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , MANOJ SAXENA > > > > > > <max61262> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> To all respected Gurus, > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> IF PLANETS POSITIONS IS KEY FOR ANY BODY'S FAITH THAN > > > > > > > >> CAN SOME BODY SUGGEST ME, IN COMING DAYS WHICH IS BEST > > > > > > > >> DAY AND TIME TO TAKE BIRTH. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> ONE MY RELATVIE IS SUGGESTED BY DOCTOR TO HAVE > > > > > > > >> SURGICAL DELIVERY AS SOME COMPLICATIONS ARE THERE. SO > > > > > > > >> THEY WERE FORECD TO HAVE SURGERY. THERE ARE ASKING ME > > > > > > > >> ABOVE QUESTION AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM > > > > > > > >> CORRECTELLY. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> MANOJ.../ > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 1, 2004 Hello Rohini ji, My main purpose was to know your reason behind it. Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > It is not a matter of putting a dare or to challenge someone or some > school of thought. Astrologers claim so heavily at being logical and > rational and yet when it comes to questioning the very base of such > logic, there is a sacred silence. On the one hand we say and accept > that a lot of jyotish has become corrupted over the last thousands > of years -- maybe more during the several hundred years during which > India and its culture has been invaded by foreign invaders not all > of whom were as kind and helpful as has been often portrayed by our > immediately senior generations -- and at the other hand, we assume > that so called classics like BPHS or other similar texts have > miraculously remained unsullied! How can this be, Gauruv? There are > at least half a dozen variants of BPHS. Even the two recent > versions, translated by Santhanam and Sharma have chapters all > different from each other, and some portions missing and so on. > > It is not possible for any one individual or even a whole school of > individuals to test all the tenets and no one is asking or expecting > anyone to do that. But, let us be honest about it and admit that > there could be room for quality control there and some of the > astrological dicta may not be all accurate, uncorrupted and directly > applicable. If a ball of gold somehow acquired a chunk of iron in > it, let us not call it all a ball of gold, and let us harbour and > admit the possibility of the rust spot in the ball of gold as being > just that! > > And if one finds that something tested does work in a series of > charts, let us share that, certainly with the caution in our mind > that this may not be the ultimate truth. Astrological deductions are > very complex and I have seen how people get hung up on a certain > combination but forget that there were other things in the chart > that could have explained it as well. Prudence demands that when we > see a striking result, we look also for other things that may > explain it otherwise. And, this is not something everyone can do all > the time or that it is necessary. However, I will voice my caution, > regardless! > > Does this make sense, even if it may not resonate with your way of > thinking or acceptance? > > RR > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > I really didnt put a question mark(my apologies). Actually what i > > mean to ask what was your logic behind to attempt such a dare?( > > although i have myself presumed one logic which did mentioned in > the > > previous post). And what about authenticity about other classics? > Do > > we put them also to test(Jamini)? > > > > Gaurav > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Not sure if I understand accurately, Gauruv. What is the query? > I > > do > > > not see a question mark in your posting to lead me to it. Am I > > > missing something? > > > > > > RR > > > > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > > > <gauravkom> wrote: > > > > Hello Rohini ji, > > > > > > > > I am just taking a part of your post to post a query > > > > > > > > - In one of my articles I have dared voice the question that > what > > > we > > > > now have in our hands might not be the original BPHS but that > has > > > > fallen on deaf ears, such is our belief in the power of > jyotish > > in > > > it > > > > staying alive and keeping its domain pure. > > > > > > > > The origin of Original BPHS or the non original one can only > be > > co- > > > > related once someone has thread the journey of either > > experiencing > > > > the original one or have put forward a reasoning strong enough > > for > > > > such a dare. I think the latter one seems more likely for your > > > above > > > > writing. I just want to say one thing that perhaps the charts > > that > > > we > > > > come across in our day to day life(and also our own > experience) > > > speak > > > > themselves of validity of any principle(or books). > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > > > <rrgb@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Most of us jyotishis consider Parashara Muni's writings and > > > stories > > > > > around him and his life as gospel. How often have we heard > that > > > if > > > > > it is in BPHS, it has got to be right. In one of my articles > I > > > have > > > > > dared voice the question that what we now have in our hands > > > might > > > > > not be the original BPHS but that has fallen on deaf ears, > such > > > is > > > > > our belief in the power of jyotish in it staying alive and > > > keeping > > > > > its domain pure. > > > > > > > > > > We today run into this question of whether humans, some > humans > > > at > > > > > least can choose birth timings? The ultimate exercise of > > freedom > > > of > > > > > choice, it would seem, if only we KNEW what that BEST time > > would > > > > be! > > > > > We, who cannot predict 100% of times or things, and who > ignore > > > > > reminders sent our way through reminders sent our way, many > > > times > > > > > during our lives. > > > > > > > > > > And, yet there is that fable that I had heard and I forget > > > details > > > > > of that one maharaja adviced by his astrologer, made his > wife > > in > > > > > labor to be placed in a position which would delay labour! > > > > > > > > > > And there is that more popular fable (account?) of Parashara > > > riding > > > > > a boat and suddenly realizing that an extremely opportune > > > > > astrological moment was there for the conception of a great > > soul > > > > and > > > > > approached and convinced Matsyagandha (the belle from a > fishing > > > > > family who smells like fish!) to help him bring to this > world a > > > > soul > > > > > no inconsequential than Vedavyaasa! Perhaps my facts are > wrong, > > > the > > > > > fable is wrong, or maybe it illustrates the point that there > > are > > > > > instants in our reality that do bring in great souls, and > that > > > how > > > > > they are conceived, in love or not, makes no difference to > how > > > they > > > > > will turn out! Maybe each birth is more karmic than the > > > > relationship > > > > > of the precursors and their own karmic dramas. Perhaps > parents > > > > > beaten to pulp by ill-educated and completely confused > > > > psychologists > > > > > can breathe a sigh of relief in this old indian tale of how > its > > > > > great epics were written by one who was conceived in a > moment -- > > > > > > not > > > > > of passion or love, but astrological knowledge and > biological > > > > > convenience. > > > > > > > > > > Makes one feel like such a small cog in this Grand Cosmic > Plan > > > that > > > > > some of the science fiction writers have so well tuned-in > on! > > > The > > > > > impersonal nature of reality and of the creation! It is > > > impersonal, > > > > > of course, as long as we consider ourselves as individuals > and > > > > > remain dis-connected. On the other hand, if All is ONE, then > it > > > > > begins to make sense. What my intestine is doing or > absorbing > > at > > > > > this moment, my heart and coronary vessels may not know at > this > > > > > moment, but come tomorrow or next year, the heart would know > > the > > > > > difference that my brain's choice made in what I ate tonight > > and > > > > > what my intestine recklessly absorbed this night! Who paid > the > > > > > price, ultimately? The intestine, the brain, the heart, the > > > body, > > > > or > > > > > I? > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, folks, if I am getting too graphic in this response! > > > > > > > > > > Affectionately, > > > > > > > > > > RR > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Venkatarama > > Sreelatha" > > > > > <venkatarama_sastry> wrote: > > > > > > Interesting discussion. A while back, I spend some time > > > thinking > > > > > > about this very scenario, since choosing the time of birth > > > seems > > > > > > pretty commonplace these days. My conclusion was that it > was > > > just > > > > > > the same as finding the right muhurtam for beginning any > > other > > > > > > auspicious task. Pretty much every arranged marriage in > India > > > is > > > > > > conducted after accertaining the correct muhurta, but how > > many > > > of > > > > > > these STILL turn out badly? There are so many other > factors > > > that > > > > > > make a good marriage. So also for timing birth, this takes > > > care > > > > of > > > > > > one factor, out of a possible million or so :-), and that > > > > > particular > > > > > > soul who needs to take birth at the time of the c- section, > in > > > > that > > > > > > family, in that situation, with that future etc etc, will > > find > > > > > this > > > > > > situation and take birth as this baby. > > > > > > > > > > > > In a roundabout way, I am agreeing with you, Gaurav, Mark > and > > > > > Inder! > > > > > > Just my opinion, as always. > > > > > > > > > > > > -Venkatarama Sreelatha > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > This idea of selecting time of birth is not right. > > > > > > > There is possibility of making some judgemental error > and > > > > > instead > > > > > > of > > > > > > > choosing some correct[?] fortunate[?] time, one may > select > > a > > > > > time > > > > > > > which may be most unfortunate time. One can not undo > this > > > if > > > > > one > > > > > > > realise the mistake later. In our site here if we are > not > > > able > > > > > to > > > > > > > decide correct ayanmsa to be used, who can select > correct > > > > > > > auspicious minute of time. > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In , Mark Kincaid > > > > > > > <m.kincaid@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, all: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the nature of all of us to seek 'better and > > > better'.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether it's in life...or in choosing a better more > ideal > > > > > birth > > > > > > > time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jyotish teaches that ..... we've come to work on these > > > > > > qualities, > > > > > > > and in > > > > > > > > fact, the exact time of birth ..... is ideal for us.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but,...that 'time'..... is only the beginning.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After that beginning, we are meant to strive for more > and > > > > > more... > > > > > > > > for better and better.... to become 'all that we can > > > > > > become'...... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We can try and pick a more ideal time, like in that > > > cesarian > > > > > > > births... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but...those who are around the birthing process..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > acclaim....that .... though doctores, themselves, try > > > > > > and 'pick'... > > > > > > > > sometimes... however.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experience shows that ..... it's very difficult to > try > > > and > > > > > > > manipulate... > > > > > > > > that choice.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Therefore, a better way of thinking about this whole > > > affair, > > > > > is > > > > > > to > > > > > > > focus on > > > > > > > > the birth chart, after the birth.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that birth chart is an accurate, and yes, perfect,.... > > > > > > > description... of > > > > > > > > what we've all come to 'do'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our charts are not just symbolic, therefore, of > > > > our 'fates'.... > > > > > > > > but also,.... representative.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of our evolution..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark Kincaid.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also write > a > > > > > Jyotish > > > > > > > > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits newsletter > as > > > well > > > > > as > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > aspects > > > > > > > > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this > group > > > is > > > > > > > interested, in > > > > > > > > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > > > > > > m.kincaid@m... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I, also have a new /message board, called > > > > > > > > which is a nice blending of both > Western > > > & > > > > > > Eastern > > > > > > > > Astrologys. You can > > > > > > > > check that out at: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thu, 29 Jul 2004 20:19:43 -0000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: WHICH IS BEST TIME TO TAKE > > > BIRTH ?????? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Maonj, > > > > > > > > > I personally think that we should leave that to God > and > > > > > > > > > should not interfere in such a process. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , MANOJ > SAXENA > > > > > > > <max61262> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > >> To all respected Gurus, > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> IF PLANETS POSITIONS IS KEY FOR ANY BODY'S FAITH > THAN > > > > > > > > >> CAN SOME BODY SUGGEST ME, IN COMING DAYS WHICH IS > BEST > > > > > > > > >> DAY AND TIME TO TAKE BIRTH. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> ONE MY RELATVIE IS SUGGESTED BY DOCTOR TO HAVE > > > > > > > > >> SURGICAL DELIVERY AS SOME COMPLICATIONS ARE THERE. > SO > > > > > > > > >> THEY WERE FORECD TO HAVE SURGERY. THERE ARE ASKING > ME > > > > > > > > >> ABOVE QUESTION AND I AM NOT ABLE TO ANSWER THEM > > > > > > > > >> CORRECTELLY. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> MANOJ.../ > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
