Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya Dear Vistiji, Namaskar Thank you for your attention. I now understand the principle is applied on graha/ karaka and not on bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis i.e. non living-beings like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for instance a coronation/ nomination will not occur in a given place? Best regards, Pierre-Olivier Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 Paris, Madrid, visti a écrit : ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth house, so does it mean that spouse will always see ones rise? That principle you cite is used on rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if 12th has Sun or Leo, then its applicable. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Poloisel [Poloisel] 19 March 2006 15:25 visti Re: Is it possible? om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya Dear Vistiji, AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see rising" as 9th is in 12th from AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Dear Pierre-Olivier, namaskar. The principle that Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if a graha is in the 12th from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in case of Mo in the 12-th from AL) will not see the rise of the native in live. Its not the bhava but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. Please refer to Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class website. Hope this helps. Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================--- In , "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" <poloisel wrote:>> om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > Dear Vistiji,> Namaskar> > Thank you for your attention.> I now understand the principle is applied on graha/ karaka and not on > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis i.e. non living-beings > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for instance a coronation/ > nomination will not occur in a given place?> > Best regards,> Pierre-Olivier> > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 Paris, Madrid, > visti a écrit :> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar> > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth house, so does it mean that > spouse will always see ones rise? That principle you cite is used on > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if 12th has Sun or Leo, > then its applicable.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > > > Poloisel [Poloisel] > 19 March 2006 15:25> visti Re: Is it possible?> > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > Dear Vistiji,> > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see rising" as 9th is in 12th > from AL.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya Dear Sourav, Namaskar. Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a graha, a karaka] or Leo [a rasi], then its applicable." I have understood the principle in case of graha. Just that Vistiji made also a reference to rasi. Could be my English. Thank you anyway. With best regards, Pierre-Olivier , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > namaskar. The principle that > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if a graha is in the 12th > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in case of Mo in the 12-th > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in live. Its not the bhava > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. Please refer to > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class website. > > Hope this helps. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================ > , "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" > <poloisel@> wrote: > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > Namaskar > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > I now understand the principle is applied on graha/ karaka and not on > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis i.e. non living- beings > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for instance a coronation/ > > nomination will not occur in a given place? > > > > Best regards, > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 Paris, Madrid, > > visti@ a écrit : > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth house, so does it mean that > > spouse will always see ones rise? That principle you cite is used on > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if 12th has Sun or Leo, > > then its applicable. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@] > > 19 March 2006 15:25 > > visti@ > > Re: Is it possible? > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see rising" as 9th is in 12th > > from AL. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2006 Report Share Posted March 19, 2006 Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar. Rasi means resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is guru/father/happiness from father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen by others). If 9H is 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the 9H, even if father is present, for the purpose of boosting image in real life. If Su is in 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen before the native's life. For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th house will not get benefit from his father, whether or not his father is living. Hope it clarifies, Sourav =========================================================== , "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" <poloisel wrote:>> om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > Dear Sourav,> Namaskar.> > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a graha, a karaka] or Leo > [a rasi], then its applicable."> I have understood the principle in case of graha. Just that Vistiji > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my English.> Thank you anyway.> > With best regards,> Pierre-Olivier> > > --- In , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > > namaskar. The principle that> > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if a graha is in the > 12th> > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in case of Mo in the > 12-th> > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in live. Its not the > bhava> > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. Please refer to> > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class website.> > > > Hope this helps.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > ================================================================> > --- In , "Pierre-Olivier Loisel"> > <poloisel@> wrote:> > >> > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > >> > > Dear Vistiji,> > > Namaskar> > >> > > Thank you for your attention.> > > I now understand the principle is applied on graha/ karaka and > not on> > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis i.e. non living-> beings> > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for instance a coronation/> > > nomination will not occur in a given place?> > >> > > Best regards,> > > Pierre-Olivier> > >> > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 Paris, Madrid,> > > visti@ a écrit :> > >> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > >> > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar> > >> > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth house, so does it mean > that> > > spouse will always see ones rise? That principle you cite is used > on> > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if 12th has Sun or Leo,> > > then its applicable.> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > ***> > >> > > Visti Larsen> > >> > > For services and articles visit:> > >> > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > >> > > ***> > >> > >> > >> > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@]> > > 19 March 2006 15:25> > > visti@> > > Subject: Re: Is it possible?> > >> > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > >> > > Dear Vistiji,> > >> > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see rising" as 9th is in > 12th> > > from AL.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dear Sourav, Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for father - so rise of native is after father's death. What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean that the native will not benefit from the significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk - does it mean professional resources will not be beneficial to the image of the native? Thanks Tarak --- Sourav <souravc108 wrote: > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > Namaskar. > Rasi means > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is > guru/father/happiness from > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen > by others). If 9H is > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the > 9H, even if father > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in > real life. If Su is in > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen > before the native's life. > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th > house will not get > benefit from his father, whether or not his father > is living. > > Hope it clarifies, > > Sourav > > =========================================================== > > > > > , "Pierre-Olivier > Loisel" > <poloisel wrote: > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > Dear Sourav, > > Namaskar. > > > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a > graha, a karaka] or Leo > > [a rasi], then its applicable." > > I have understood the principle in case of graha. > Just that Vistiji > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my > English. > > Thank you anyway. > > > > With best regards, > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > , "Sourav" > souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > > > > > namaskar. The principle that > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if > a graha is in the > > 12th > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in > case of Mo in the > > 12-th > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in > live. Its not the > > bhava > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. > Please refer to > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class > website. > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > , > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" > > > <poloisel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on > graha/ karaka and > > not on > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis > i.e. non living- > > beings > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for > instance a coronation/ > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place? > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 > Paris, Madrid, > > > > visti@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > > > > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth > house, so does it mean > > that > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That > principle you cite is used > > on > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if > 12th has Sun or Leo, > > > > then its applicable. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@] > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25 > > > > visti@ > > > > Re: Is it possible? > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see > rising" as 9th is in > > 12th > > > > from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dear Tarak, namaskar. We see natural significators. Me can mean uncles/relatives, Ve can mean spouse. 12-th from AL shows the ' act of giving up or expending' that contributes to the image. Malefics shows things that the native is forced to give up and benefics show the things that is easy for the native to give up and cause pleasure because of that. Rasi is resource, Planets are parts of intelligence within the self or external beings. Any planet in the 11th/9th houses or their lords is giving gains/protecting the AL. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================================================== , t k <thammi39 wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the> 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for> father - so rise of native is after father's death.> What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury> (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean> that the native will not benefit from the> significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk > - does it mean professional resources will not be> beneficial to the image of the native? > Thanks> Tarak> > --- Sourav souravc108 wrote:> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > > Namaskar.> > Rasi means> > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is> > guru/father/happiness from> > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen> > by others). If 9H is> > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the> > 9H, even if father> > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in> > real life. If Su is in> > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen> > before the native's life.> > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th> > house will not get> > benefit from his father, whether or not his father> > is living.> > > > Hope it clarifies,> > > > Sourav> > > >> ===========================================================> > > > > > > > > > , "Pierre-Olivier> > Loisel"> > poloisel@ wrote:> > >> > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaskar.> > >> > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a> > graha, a karaka] or Leo> > > [a rasi], then its applicable."> > > I have understood the principle in case of graha.> > Just that Vistiji> > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my> > English.> > > Thank you anyway.> > >> > > With best regards,> > > Pierre-Olivier> > >> > >> > > --- In , "Sourav"> > souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > >> > > > namaskar. The principle that> > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if> > a graha is in the> > > 12th> > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in> > case of Mo in the> > > 12-th> > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in> > live. Its not the> > > bhava> > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person.> > Please refer to> > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class> > website.> > > >> > > > Hope this helps.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > >> >> ================================================================> > > > --- In ,> > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel"> > > > <poloisel@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > > Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for your attention.> > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on> > graha/ karaka and> > > not on> > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis> > i.e. non living-> > > beings> > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for> > instance a coronation/> > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place?> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Pierre-Olivier> > > > >> > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53> > Paris, Madrid,> > > > > visti@ a écrit :> > > > >> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth> > house, so does it mean> > > that> > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That> > principle you cite is used> > > on> > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if> > 12th has Sun or Leo,> > > > > then its applicable.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > ***> > > > >> > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > >> > > > > For services and articles visit:> > > > >> > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > > > >> > > > > ***> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@]> > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25> > > > > visti@> > > > > Re: Is it possible?> > > > >> > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > >> > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see> > rising" as 9th is in> > > 12th> > > > > from AL.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dear Sourav, Just to verify some of the points of this, I have Sun and Venus in 12th from AL and my father died just before my career took off so in a way it hold right this way. Now about Venus I am a bit confused as it is actully the lord of 11th from AL. SO should I assume that because of the lordship of 11th house from AL my spouse ( significtor for Venus) will protect or strengthen my image but I will be rejecting it at some point in time ? Also the lord of 12th from AL is Mars and has gone to 11th from AL and since Venus lord of 11th from AL is in 12th to AL, there is parivartana between the two, I am unable to understand what this parivartana should imply based on AL. Best Regards, Ashish , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Tarak, > > namaskar. We see natural significators. Me can > mean uncles/relatives, Ve can mean spouse. 12-th from AL shows the ' act > of giving up or expending' that contributes to the image. Malefics shows > things that the native is forced to give up and benefics show the things > that is easy for the native to give up and cause pleasure because of > that. Rasi is resource, Planets are parts of intelligence within the > self or external beings. Any planet in the 11th/9th houses or their > lords is giving gains/protecting the AL. > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== ===\ > ================================== > > > , t k <thammi39@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav, > > Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the > > 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for > > father - so rise of native is after father's death. > > What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury > > (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean > > that the native will not benefit from the > > significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk > > - does it mean professional resources will not be > > beneficial to the image of the native? > > Thanks > > Tarak > > > > --- Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > Rasi means > > > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is > > > guru/father/happiness from > > > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen > > > by others). If 9H is > > > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the > > > 9H, even if father > > > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in > > > real life. If Su is in > > > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen > > > before the native's life. > > > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th > > > house will not get > > > benefit from his father, whether or not his father > > > is living. > > > > > > Hope it clarifies, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pierre-Olivier > > > Loisel" > > > poloisel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a > > > graha, a karaka] or Leo > > > > [a rasi], then its applicable." > > > > I have understood the principle in case of graha. > > > Just that Vistiji > > > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my > > > English. > > > > Thank you anyway. > > > > > > > > With best regards, > > > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" > > > souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > > > > > > > > > namaskar. The principle that > > > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if > > > a graha is in the > > > > 12th > > > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in > > > case of Mo in the > > > > 12-th > > > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in > > > live. Its not the > > > > bhava > > > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. > > > Please refer to > > > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class > > > website. > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > > , > > > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" > > > > > <poloisel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on > > > graha/ karaka and > > > > not on > > > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis > > > i.e. non living- > > > > beings > > > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for > > > instance a coronation/ > > > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 > > > Paris, Madrid, > > > > > > visti@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth > > > house, so does it mean > > > > that > > > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That > > > principle you cite is used > > > > on > > > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if > > > 12th has Sun or Leo, > > > > > > then its applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@] > > > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25 > > > > > > visti@ > > > > > > Re: Is it possible? > > > > > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > > > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see > > > rising" as 9th is in > > > > 12th > > > > > > from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 things that the native is forced to give up and benefics show the things that is easy for the native to give up and cause pleasure because of that. Rasi is resource, Planets are parts of intelligence within the self or external beings. Any planet in the 11th/9th houses or their lords is giving gains/protecting the AL. Best wishes, Sourav ========================================================================================================== , t k <thammi39 wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the> 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for> father - so rise of native is after father's death.> What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury> (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean> that the native will not benefit from the> significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk > - does it mean professional resources will not be> beneficial to the image of the native? > Thanks> Tarak> > --- Sourav souravc108 wrote:> > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > > Namaskar.> > Rasi means> > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is> > guru/father/happiness from> > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen> > by others). If 9H is> > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the> > 9H, even if father> > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in> > real life. If Su is in> > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen> > before the native's life.> > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th> > house will not get> > benefit from his father, whether or not his father> > is living.> > > > Hope it clarifies,> > > > Sourav> > > >> ===========================================================> > > > > > > > > > , "Pierre-Olivier> > Loisel"> > poloisel@ wrote:> > >> > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaskar.> > >> > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a> > graha, a karaka] or Leo> > > [a rasi], then its applicable."> > > I have understood the principle in case of graha.> > Just that Vistiji> > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my> > English.> > > Thank you anyway.> > >> > > With best regards,> > > Pierre-Olivier> > >> > >> > > , "Sourav"> > souravc108@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > >> > > > namaskar. The principle that> > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if> > a graha is in the> > > 12th> > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in> > case of Mo in the> > > 12-th> > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in> > live. Its not the> > > bhava> > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person.> > Please refer to> > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class> > website.> > > >> > > > Hope this helps.> > > >> > > > Best wishes,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > >> >> ================================================================> > > > ,> > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel"> > > > <poloisel@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > > Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > Thank you for your attention.> > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on> > graha/ karaka and> > > not on> > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis> > i.e. non living-> > > beings> > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for> > instance a coronation/> > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place?> > > > >> > > > > Best regards,> > > > > Pierre-Olivier> > > > >> > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53> > Paris, Madrid,> > > > > visti@ a écrit :> > > > >> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar> > > > >> > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth> > house, so does it mean> > > that> > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That> > principle you cite is used> > > on> > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if> > 12th has Sun or Leo,> > > > > then its applicable.> > > > >> > > > > Best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > ***> > > > >> > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > >> > > > > For services and articles visit:> > > > >> > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > > > >> > > > > ***> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@]> > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25> > > > > visti@> > > > > Re: Is it possible?> > > > >> > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > >> > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see> > rising" as 9th is in> > > 12th> > > > > from AL.> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around > > html banner|**| --> Visit your group "" on the web. Your use of is subject to the Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2006 Report Share Posted March 20, 2006 Dear Ashis, namaskar. So you have verified the principle of Sun in the 12-th from AL. Now, in your case 11th and 12-th have parivartana and this is a strong yoga. Mars is effectively in 12-th and Venus is effectively in 11th. This exchange gives its effects during dasas. Venus would have indicated expenditure but not it indicates gains. It would do you well if you read through Visti-ji's article on his website on Parivartana ( www.srigaruda.com) Best wishes, Sourav ================================================== , "ashishmathur1008" <ashishmathur1008 wrote:>> Dear Sourav,> > Just to verify some of the points of this, I have Sun and Venus in > 12th from AL and my father died just before my career took off so in > a way it hold right this way.> > Now about Venus I am a bit confused as it is actully the lord of > 11th from AL. SO should I assume that because of the lordship of > 11th house from AL my spouse ( significtor for Venus) will protect > or strengthen my image but I will be rejecting it at some point in > time ?> Also the lord of 12th from AL is Mars and has gone to 11th from AL > and since Venus lord of 11th from AL is in 12th to AL, there is > parivartana between the two, I am unable to understand what this > parivartana should imply based on AL.> > Best Regards,> > Ashish> > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote:> >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > Dear Tarak,> > > > namaskar. We see natural significators. Me > can> > mean uncles/relatives, Ve can mean spouse. 12-th from AL shows > the ' act> > of giving up or expending' that contributes to the image. Malefics > shows> > things that the native is forced to give up and benefics show the > things> > that is easy for the native to give up and cause pleasure because > of> > that. Rasi is resource, Planets are parts of intelligence within > the> > self or external beings. Any planet in the 11th/9th houses or their> > lords is giving gains/protecting the AL.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Sourav> > > > > =====================================================================> ===\> > ==================================> > > > > > --- In , t k <thammi39@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sourav,> > > Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the> > > 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for> > > father - so rise of native is after father's death.> > > What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury> > > (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean> > > that the native will not benefit from the> > > significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk> > > - does it mean professional resources will not be> > > beneficial to the image of the native?> > > Thanks> > > Tarak> > >> > > --- Sourav souravc108@ wrote:> > >> > > >> > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > >> > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > >> > > > Namaskar.> > > > Rasi means> > > > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is> > > > guru/father/happiness from> > > > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen> > > > by others). If 9H is> > > > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the> > > > 9H, even if father> > > > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in> > > > real life. If Su is in> > > > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen> > > > before the native's life.> > > > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th> > > > house will not get> > > > benefit from his father, whether or not his father> > > > is living.> > > >> > > > Hope it clarifies,> > > >> > > > Sourav> > > >> > > >> > > ===========================================================> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Pierre-Olivier> > > > Loisel"> > > > poloisel@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sourav,> > > > > Namaskar.> > > > >> > > > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a> > > > graha, a karaka] or Leo> > > > > [a rasi], then its applicable."> > > > > I have understood the principle in case of graha.> > > > Just that Vistiji> > > > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my> > > > English.> > > > > Thank you anyway.> > > > >> > > > > With best regards,> > > > > Pierre-Olivier> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In , "Sourav"> > > > souravc108@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier,> > > > > >> > > > > > namaskar. The principle that> > > > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if> > > > a graha is in the> > > > > 12th> > > > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in> > > > case of Mo in the> > > > > 12-th> > > > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in> > > > live. Its not the> > > > > bhava> > > > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person.> > > > Please refer to> > > > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class> > > > website.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope this helps.> > > > > >> > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Sourav> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > >> > > ================================================================> > > > > > --- In ,> > > > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel"> > > > > > <poloisel@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > > > > Namaskar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thank you for your attention.> > > > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on> > > > graha/ karaka and> > > > > not on> > > > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis> > > > i.e. non living-> > > > > beings> > > > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for> > > > instance a coronation/> > > > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best regards,> > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53> > > > Paris, Madrid,> > > > > > > visti@ a écrit :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth> > > > house, so does it mean> > > > > that> > > > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That> > > > principle you cite is used> > > > > on> > > > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if> > > > 12th has Sun or Leo,> > > > > > > then its applicable.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ***> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Visti Larsen> > > > > > >> > > > > > > For services and articles visit:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ***> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@]> > > > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25> > > > > > > To: visti@> > > > > > > Re: Is it possible?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Vistiji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see> > > > rising" as 9th is in> > > > > 12th> > > > > > > from AL.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Dear Sourav, I understand that due to Parivartana results will be given by other planet, but that is not what I asked. I want to understand the significance of Venus being in 12th from AL where it is also lord of 11th from AL. Also where the lord of 12th from AL has gone to 11th. Hope you understand what I want to ask is not when and who will give the result but what the result will be. Regards, Ashish , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Ashis, > > namaskar. So you have verified the principle of > Sun in the 12-th from AL. Now, in your case 11th and 12-th have > parivartana and this is a strong yoga. Mars is effectively in 12-th and > Venus is effectively in 11th. This exchange gives its effects during > dasas. Venus would have indicated expenditure but not it indicates > gains. > > It would do you well if you read through Visti-ji's article on his > website on Parivartana ( www.srigaruda.com) > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================== > > > > > , "ashishmathur1008" > <ashishmathur1008@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Just to verify some of the points of this, I have Sun and Venus in > > 12th from AL and my father died just before my career took off so in > > a way it hold right this way. > > > > Now about Venus I am a bit confused as it is actully the lord of > > 11th from AL. SO should I assume that because of the lordship of > > 11th house from AL my spouse ( significtor for Venus) will protect > > or strengthen my image but I will be rejecting it at some point in > > time ? > > Also the lord of 12th from AL is Mars and has gone to 11th from AL > > and since Venus lord of 11th from AL is in 12th to AL, there is > > parivartana between the two, I am unable to understand what this > > parivartana should imply based on AL. > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Ashish > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Tarak, > > > > > > namaskar. We see natural significators. Me > > can > > > mean uncles/relatives, Ve can mean spouse. 12-th from AL shows > > the ' act > > > of giving up or expending' that contributes to the image. Malefics > > shows > > > things that the native is forced to give up and benefics show the > > things > > > that is easy for the native to give up and cause pleasure because > > of > > > that. Rasi is resource, Planets are parts of intelligence within > > the > > > self or external beings. Any planet in the 11th/9th houses or their > > > lords is giving gains/protecting the AL. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > ===\ > > > ================================== > > > > > > > > > , t k <thammi39@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > Namaskar. Suppose sun, mercury and venus are in the > > > > 10th house and in the 12th from AL. Sun is karaka for > > > > father - so rise of native is after father's death. > > > > What about venus (amatyakaraka) and mercury > > > > (putrakaraka) in the 12th to AL mean? Does it mean > > > > that the native will not benefit from the > > > > significations of these two planets too? Venus as Amk > > > > - does it mean professional resources will not be > > > > beneficial to the image of the native? > > > > Thanks > > > > Tarak > > > > > > > > --- Sourav souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > Rasi means > > > > > resource/enviroment/area of life. 9H is > > > > > guru/father/happiness from > > > > > father. AL indicates oneself in real life (as seen > > > > > by others). If 9H is > > > > > 12-th from AL, AL cannot draw its resources from the > > > > > 9H, even if father > > > > > is present, for the purpose of boosting image in > > > > > real life. If Su is in > > > > > 12-th from AL then father's demise will happen > > > > > before the native's life. > > > > > For example, a politician's son with AL in the 10th > > > > > house will not get > > > > > benefit from his father, whether or not his father > > > > > is living. > > > > > > > > > > Hope it clarifies, > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =========================================================== > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Pierre-Olivier > > > > > Loisel" > > > > > poloisel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sourav, > > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you. Visti ji wrote "if 12th has Sun [a > > > > > graha, a karaka] or Leo > > > > > > [a rasi], then its applicable." > > > > > > I have understood the principle in case of graha. > > > > > Just that Vistiji > > > > > > made also a reference to rasi. Could be my > > > > > English. > > > > > > Thank you anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > With best regards, > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sourav" > > > > > souravc108@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > namaskar. The principle that > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji discussed in the Atri class is that if > > > > > a graha is in the > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > from AL then the Natural karaka (e.g. Mother in > > > > > case of Mo in the > > > > > > 12-th > > > > > > > from AL) will not see the rise of the native in > > > > > live. Its not the > > > > > > bhava > > > > > > > but the graha. Graha shows the actual person. > > > > > Please refer to > > > > > > > Sanjay-ji's lecture on Arudha in the Arti class > > > > > website. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================================ > > > > > > > , > > > > > "Pierre-Olivier Loisel" > > > > > > > <poloisel@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > > Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your attention. > > > > > > > > I now understand the principle is applied on > > > > > graha/ karaka and > > > > > > not on > > > > > > > > bhavas but I fail to understand w.r.t. rasis > > > > > i.e. non living- > > > > > > beings > > > > > > > > like a lake or a forest. Or can we say for > > > > > instance a coronation/ > > > > > > > > nomination will not occur in a given place? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > > > Pierre-Olivier > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dans un e-mail daté du 19/03/2006 15:48:53 > > > > > Paris, Madrid, > > > > > > > > visti@ a écrit : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pierre-Olivier, Namaskar > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Arudha lagna cannot be in the eighth > > > > > house, so does it mean > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > spouse will always see ones rise? That > > > > > principle you cite is used > > > > > > on > > > > > > > > rasis and planets, and not on bhavas. i.e. if > > > > > 12th has Sun or Leo, > > > > > > > > then its applicable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For services and articles visit: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Poloisel@ [Poloisel@] > > > > > > > > 19 March 2006 15:25 > > > > > > > > visti@ > > > > > > > > Re: Is it possible? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om bhurnamo bhagavate sukaraaya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AL is in the 10th i.e. "father will not see > > > > > rising" as 9th is in > > > > > > 12th > > > > > > > > from AL. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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