Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

March 18, 2006

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Graham, Namaskar

Surely you cannot make out whether its day or night using the Lunar, Solar,

Jovian or Sidereal calendar. This is when the Savana calendar is used. BUT,

the Savana calendar is used to figure out the particular day of an event.

i.e. which days does Sankranti occur, or which days does a certain tithi

occur. The savana calendar has no other use.

But then again i can only know what i have learnt. The parampara teaches

that the month begins with the entry of the Sun into that particular sign,

and the day on which it occurs is considered the lord of the month.

Similarly the entry of Sun into aries marks the begining of the year, and

the day on which it occurs indicates the lord of the year.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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Behalf Of Graham Fox

18 March 2006 15:47

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or 365 days?

Dear Visti,

Thank you for your clarification about this. I find your explanation

complicated, so I'll have to think about it carefully to try to get

my head around it! I'm sure you're probabaly right, but at the

moment I still can't see how we could get a coherent year and month-

lord sequence using a true solar year counted from Creation. My

edition of BPHS is indeed, as you say, not explicit, and I was

relying on Raman's interpretation of it. As I understand it, you are

clearly saying that Raman is wrong to say (in "Graha and Bhava

Balas", p.42 item 59): "The Year and Month: The Hindus, for

astrological purposes, consider a year and a month of 360 and 30

days repectively. They are neither solar, nor lunar, nor luni-

solar". His interpretation of Parasara's way to calculate kaal-bala,

where the year and month lords must be worked out by a calculation

involving a division of shrishtyadi ahargana (days since Creation)

by 360 ("the number of days in a year", as he says) must also be

wrong.

So I have to decide whose analysis to follow on this question!

Thank you very much for your kind attention and patience.

Graham

, "Visti Larsen" <visti

wrote:

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Graham, Namaskar

> I've looked at the sloka about kala bala, and it seems you must

have the

> Sharma edition? The calculation that you mention is about

calculating the

> Varsha, Masa, Dina and Hora Bala, i.e. Year, Month, Day and Hour

strength.

> Here the point is to find the planet lording that particular year,

month,

> day, etc. and by virtue of its lordship it gains strength.

>

> How to do this is then referred to in Surya Siddhanta by Sharma,

because

> PARASARA DOESN'T SAY HOW. When referring to Surya Siddhanta i see

that the

> sloka qouted in BPHS by Sharma is very abridged. Infact the

calculation

> details finding the ammount of days passed since the creation.

Here the

> yugas are initially added, converted into months, added to the

lunar/solar

> months which are again converted into savana months and lastly

into days and

> thus also savana days (as savana days imply the visible day).

> By performing such a conversion at the time of the suns entry into

Aries or

> ones sunsign, one can find the planet lording the year and month

> respectively, based on the weekday at that time. The planet

lording the day

> is the weekday of birth itself.

> However, this doesn't mean that savana years were used to

calculate the

> yugas and all, but are again used in conversion to figure out the

visible

> day for sake of judging the weekday lords.

> So the argument about kala bala cannot be accepted based on this.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

> ***

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Graham Fox

> 17 March 2006 13:13

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vimshottari dasa - 360 or

365 days?

>

> Dear Swee,

> Thank you for this clarification, which gives weight to the

argument

> for using solar sidereal year in a number of cases: I notice that

> number of days in Maha yuga as per Narada Purana works out at very

> close to 4,320,000 sidereal solar years, whereas the figure for

> savana years is less coherent. And of course, planetary positions

> must be calculated as per sidereal positions as in sidereal solar

> year (I don't think anybody questions that). The sloka does not

> specifically say that the year "shares" of vimsottari dasa are to

be

> calculated with solar sidereal year, but this does indeed seem a

> likely implication of the meaning of these slokas.

> There is just the problem that Parasara calculates kaal bala using

a

> 360 day year, counted from Creation (not a solar year), so he must

> be working in some other system of yuga.

>

> Also, your slokas from the Purana indicate that:

>

> "grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

> vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

>

> Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar

> Measure

> Pregnancy and rainy season, reckon them from Savana - Civil

measure."

>

> This seems strange. If people had tried to reckon rainy season

using

> the savana year, they would very quickly have got into difficulty,

> as after just 6 years their calculations would have been more than

> one month out of phase with the seasons (and they would thus be

> expecting the rainy season at the wrong time).

>

> Thanks again for the information.

> Graham

>

> , "Swee Chan" <swee@> wrote:

> >

> > "Gopijana-vallabha-caranau sharanam prapadye."

> > "Namo gopijana-vallabhabhyam"

> >

> > Dear Raghunatha,

> > Namaste

> >

> > I am repeating the sloka below for your attention yet again.

> >

> > grahANAM nikhilashcAro gR^ihyate saura mAnataH|

> > vR^iShTervidhAnaM strIgarbhaH sAvanenaiva gR^ihyate||56.111||

> >

> > Meaning: Planetary movements are reckoned through Saura - Solar

> Measure.

> >

> > In Narada Purana, Chapter 55 sloka 70 - There are 1,577,917,828

> terrestrial

> > days in a maha yuga. The time from sunrise to sunrise is a

> terrestrial civil

> > day - bhumi-savana -vasara.

> >

> > Sanjay ji has always recommended the 360 deg solar year. My

> timings are all

> > based on this setting.

> >

> > Love,

> > Swee

> >

> > sohamsa [sohamsa]

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