2 - Mark & all: re..... Why we need to Exist? ->>> Mark Kincaid 7/3

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Jai Jinendra Mark and All,

 

As gone through various discusion in group many

times,we talk about prarabh,karma,moksha,materialism

etc etc.

 

a thought came to my mind why we need to ever exist

what is an ultimatum.A context I am here talking aout

is not in terms of we are detached from paraatma or

unsatisified souls that is going through various

lives.But I am saying Why heaven and Hell,Why

existence,Why we really are that we need to be.What

for and in order ot achieve what?

 

Is God has created us,and sustaining and ultimately

our aim is to get Moksha.

Than Why he neds to do that?.what can be a poible

reason.

If God is not a creator and if by nature or just like

that is our existense.

Than if some Maha Rishi has shown a path of living

idealism or through which you will attain Ultimatum.

Why a question arises why we required that too.?

so someone will answer to get fredom from Life and

death again and again and again...

Than I have a question for them why we need to birth

an die?

Ofcourse very sensible answer that's How Life runs....

But Why Life exist....

I want to know why a very soul of each and every human

being in this world exist?

Why world exist and so do we are?

 

Now assume that everything is by naturally has

evoluted in this world?

Some great souls have fiound there path to live this

wold..

Some born as a evil,while some as good people,some as

mahatmas etc etc.... just naturally....

Everyone has there own way of living...........

Everyone has grief and happiness as per there terms

and conditions.

 

But yes as our Maharishi or any individual you will

ask What kind of happiness he really experienced.

Answer you wil get is a very soul exp,which must have

felt through mind being with lover or parents or God

or afriends etc etc.

And that exp.. no one wants to forget or stays as an

unforgettable memories of Life.

 

And so does Moksha is a soul exp of eveything and mind

or body has nothing to do with,so ultimately no grief

to arrive which seems very logical.

 

But again same place were I have started Why all such

things exist.............

 

Enough for today,will continue some day later........

 

 

 

--- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote:

 

> Dear Mark, Hi,

>

> Thanks for the comments, and reminding us of the

> importance and

> practical validity of transits once again.

>

> Regarding your last point, about "consciousness"

> what do you think

> about, or what is your experience re:, "the karmas

> indicated in the

> birth chart, transforming through changes in

> consciousness (or

> tapas/propitiation for that matter)", e.g. about the

> theory that one

> grows out of ones chart, through spiritual

> evolution, karmas being

> indicated softened so to say?

>

>

> Dear Sabri:

>

> I think there is an element of Jyotish, especially

> Consciousness Jyotish,

> wherever we begin,

> we really can grow beyond the obvious limitations of

> our charts.

>

> I think for most people their chart's are more

> fatalistic if they never do

> anything especially Vedic to change their stars.

>

> Maharishi's Guru, Swami Brahmananda Sarasati used to

> say, there were a

> million kinds of births you could take before human

> births, and then after

> that, without meditation, thousands of life-times.

> However, with

> meditation, we can so magnificanently, expand

> ourselves, that we really can

> grow beyond the obvious limitations of our charts.

>

> I know many 'meditators', who report much lessening

> of the obvious lessening

> of the stresses, of their 'malefics' or charts,

> since meditating, and that's

> been my experience as well.

>

> But, then, add on top of that, the growth and

> self-development of the study

> of Jyotish, itself, and that, especially in

> conjunction with meditation, is

> an amazing dual, Vedic remedy!

>

>

> Now, I believe that the malefics in our charts

> represent, really the

> stresses or blocks in our enlightenment.

>

> And, as we go to the transcendental realm, and or,

> even, learn how to get

> more in-tune with those, so-called malefics, we can

> think in terms of

> eliminating all stresses!, or malefics.

>

> In enlightenment, the deepest blocks to our infinite

> potential will be gone,

> but still, certain aspects of astrological

> personality and mental

> characteristics will still be there.

>

> But, from the inside, we'll feel no restriction or

> limitations.

>

> Nice talking with you.

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

> "Sabri" <korua

> vedic astrology

> Sun, 03 Jul 2005 21:57:48 -0000

> vedic astrology

> [vedic astrology] Re: 2-Sabir & all:

> re..... Who were

> Maharishis?->>> Mark Kincaid 7/3

>

>

> Dear Mark, Hi,

>

> Thanks for the comments, and reminding us of the

> importance and

> practical validity of transits once again.

>

> Regarding your last point, about "consciousness"

> what do you think

> about, or what is your experience re:, "the karmas

> indicated in the

> birth chart, transforming through changes in

> consciousness (or

> tapas/propitiation for that matter)", e.g. about the

> theory that one

> grows out of ones chart, through spiritual

> evolution, karmas being

> indicated softened so to say?

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Sabri.

>

>

> vedic astrology, Mark Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > Dear Sabir:

> >

> > I very much enjoyed your email re. the

> Maharishi-Seers!

> >

> > I'd like to add a few thoughts.

> >

> > Even if the Ved, and books like Maharishi

> Parashara's book on Hora

> > Astrology, are cognitions,

> > still,

> >

> > if their realities are eternal, and of the very

> laws of nature,...

> >

> > then, their truths, and significances, will be

> there for us, in

> the present!

> >

> > In other words, if something is true, then it will

> show it's

> validity, in

> > the every day reality of people today, and

> tomorrow and the next!

> >

> > This has been my experience of Jyotish.

> >

> > All the principles and ideas that I have read

> about, ultimately I

> found

> > alive and functioning, real!

> > so very real, in the live's of every one that I

> meet.

> >

> > That experience has convinced me of Jyotish's

> power and insight,

> into

> > life....

> >

> > Now, after doing literally thousands of charts,

> over these last 18

> years, I

> > can say, with amazing conviction, that the

> principles of Jyotish

> work! I

> > have not found one chart, in all these years, that

> hasn't

> really, 'fit' the

> > person, and been testaments of all the rules and

> principles of

> Jyotish.

> >

> > Also, the transits, of every day, life, out there,

> in the World's

> > environment, follows the laws and principles of

> Jyotish.

> >

> > Take the Moon & Saturn for example. Jyotish has

> these rules about

> > conjunction and aspects.

> > When you watch the Moon & Saturn collide, or

> aspect, which happens

> every

> > month, you can really, 'feel' that!

> >

> > Take the Moon/conjunct with Saturn. This month,

> take July 7 &

> 8th, the Moon

> > goes into Cancer,

> > where SAturn is too. On those days you can 'feel'

> that definite

> Saturn

> > affect upon the Moon, or heart and mind.

> >

> > It's unmistakable. Then, over the next few days,

> the Moon slides

> into Leo,

> > where Saturn is supposed to 'not' influence the

> Moon so directly.

> >

> > And, that too can be your experience.

> >

> > Then, over the next few days, as the Moon goes

> into Virgo, it's

> supposed to

> > be influenced again! by Saturn do to it's

> supposed, 3rd house

> aspect.

> >

> > But, you can experience that for yourself,

> objectively, and

> dispassionately!

> >

> > These kinds of experience, verify and validate all

> the rules and

> principles

> > of Jyotish, and make this wisdom truely scienific

> and modern!

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> > ps... oh, yes one more point. I find the present,

> period, where

> some

> > 'Mahaishis' in fact, are encouraging all of us to

> become our own,

> best

> > Rishi!, and doing that, also will give an amazing

> power of

> consciounsess,

> > within, so as to better understand our Jyotish.

> >

> > Without the development of consciousness, Jyotish

> will continue to

> be very

> > vast, and almost,

> > overwhelming...

> > but,....

> > with consciouness, Jyotish becomes simple, though

> profound, and

> ultiamtely

> > easy, natural, and understandable!

> >

> > Jai Guru!

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

> > "Sabri" <korua@e...>

> > vedic astrology

> > Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:27:30 -0000

> > vedic astrology

> > [vedic astrology] Who were

> Maharishis?-Student or Guru?

> (Re: Is

> > Rafal Genderaz a Student or Guru?)

> >

> >

> > Dear Narasimha-Ji, (Dear Friends),

> >

> > Thanking so much for the precious notes,

> >

> > - Even Spiritual Gurus have their destiny, and

> evolve during their

> > lifetime, and are known to experiment, change

> their advises and

> > teaching sometimes in a dramatic way.

> > - In the field of knowledge, traditions are if not

> an

> > absolute "must" are very very helpful. "The

> tradition cuts short

> the

> > long path of evolution".

> > - The very nature of Knowledge is such that, it

> rises and falls in

> > time to be revised and brought to light again.

> Knowledge like waves

> > of an ocean come and shatter on the rocks of

> ignorance and is lost,

> > only to be revived again at some later period of

> time when a

> > knowledgable and able person is available for this

> revival. This is

> > the very nature of knowledge.

> > - For knowledge to flow from the heart of the Guru

> to the disciple,

> > the disciple "must" approach the Guru, and warm

> his heart by giving

> > due respect to the knowledge that the Guru has in

> posession, at

> > which time only, the teaching starts and the Guru

> hands over the

> > knowledge with great enthusiasm.

> > - Knowledge is akin to light, since it dispells

> ignorance and

> > darkness, sometimes for some, knowledge is

> bewildering, hence the

> > doubts and reactions about knowledge itself and

> those who posess

> it,

> > on the part of those who are not *karmically*

> destined to take over

> > that knowledge.

> > - A subject as Jyotish is so complex and intricate

> and proper

> > knowledge and mastering of it has so many

> prerequisites, not the

> > least of which is that one should be evolved

> enough in the

> direction

> > of this specific knowledge.

> > - The wise student, in my humble view, that I have

> learned from

> > learned people, should always show respect first,

> should not judge,

> > and be open to any new knowledge that may come

> from any direction

> or

> > source.

> > - The Maharishis as Maharishi Parashara, were

> themselves coming

> from

> > a tradition and were "MAHA" Rishis, meaning, they

> were the

> > clairvoyant seers, who would see in their minds

> eye, and express

> > that which they have seen, for the benefit of

> others.

> > - The book written by Maharishi Parashara is not a

> text or teaching

> > book in the sense that we understand today! It is

> the written

> record

> > of what has been perceived by the enlightened mind

> of a Rishi,

> about

> > the laws of nature or intricate workings of the

> Universe

> > specifically Jyotish. It is not that Maharishi

> Paraashara has sat

> > down at one time, and had the intention; "O.K. now

> let me write a

> > book to teach Jyotish to others", the book is of a

> different

> nature,

> > a written record of nature, which probably had

> originally been

> > passed on through oral tradition. I therefore do

> not agree with the

> > thought that the books of the Maharishis apply to

> ancient times and

> > not appliacble today, since the laws of nature

> then and now are the

> > same.

> > - The schlokas themselves when read, or memorized

> have the quality

> > of opening channels in the human brain towards

> attaining Jyotish

> > Siddhi.

> > - Most of us here, lacking this Siddhi, are trying

> to understand

> the

> > subject through intellectual processes, but most

> probably Sage

> > Parashara would not think in terms of Guru is in

> this house, and is

> > yuddhi Shukra etc. He would just see the reality.

> What is written

> in

> > his book is what he has seen about the laws of

> Jyotish, not about

> > what he observed and experimented and thought was

> correct.

> > - I personally have learnt, compared to my limited

> knowledge and

> > experience, huge amounts of knowledge from the SJC

> Gurus,

> > specifically through Sanjay and Narasimha-Ji, and

> therefore am

> > thankful to them. I have learned also other

> material from other

> > sources, for them also I am thankful.

> >

> > Best wishes, Sabri.

> >

> >

> > vedic astrology, "Narasimha

> P.V.R. Rao"

> > <pvr@c...> wrote:

> > > Dear friend,

> > >

> > > I understand your motivation in asking this and

> I don't mean

> > disrespect or insensitivity to anyone.

> > >

> > > But I just want to say a word about the more

> generic question of

> > accepting the words of "Proper Gurus" of SJC as a

> gospel (I am not

> > saying that you are suggesting that).

> > >

> > > I am one of the designated Jyotish Gurus of SJC

> and one of the

> > earlier ones. I know for a fact that my knowledge

> has evolved a

> long

> > way from where it was when Sanjay ji decided a few

> years back that

> I

> > was fit to be a guru. Even today, I am not fully

> satisfied with my

> > knowledge and constantly keep learning things and

> refining my

> > understanding. I will never make a representation

> to anyone that I

> > have perfect or nearly perfect knowledge. Still I

> will share my

> > knowledge with others because even my half-baked

> knowledge may be a

> > valuable treasure to somebody.

> > >

> > > Even Pt Sanjay Rath, the Parama Guru of SJC,

> does not have

> perfect

> > knowledge. I say this with all the respect and

> humility that I can

> > possess. He himself said so. There were errors in

> his teachings and

> > there may be more that we will find in future. I

> always maintained

> > respect and, at the same time, the spirit of

> honest intellectual

> > enquiry. And, there were occasions when my

> intellectual

> independence

> > proved worthwhile. For example, Sanjay and I

> disagreed on Moola

> dasa

> > definition and he later agreed with me. Sanjay

> taught Drigdasa one

> > way and I had it in JHora that way for a long

> time. I taught it the

> > same way in my book also. But, sometime back, I

> discovered that his

> > version was influenced more by Narayana dasa and

> he had some

> > discrepancies compared to Parasara's unambiguous

> verses on

> Drigdasa.

> > When I pointed it out, Sanjay ji looked at the

> verses and some

> > examples and felt that Parasara was correct and

> his previous

> > understanding was wrong.

> > >

> > > Thus, I do not take even Sanjay ji's words for

> granted and

> > investigate them myself to find the Truth! When

> Sanjay ji himself

> is

> > fallible, how infallible can other Gurus be?

> > >

> > > The duty of a sincere student is to have respect

> for the teacher

> > and study the teachings with the spirit of honest

> intellectual

> > enquiry and confront the teacher when one has to

> disagree. A lot of

> > people confuse between the ideal behavior ascribed

> to a sishya of a

> > diksha guru (spiritual master) and to a sishya of

> a siksha guru.

> > >

> > > Bottomline: It is good to see that some people

> have confidence in

> > SJC and SJC gurus. That is nice and I hope that

> SJC gurus will help

> > you in advancing your knowledge. But, at the same

> time, it should

> be

> > borne in mind that we are dealing with a very rich

> and complicated

> > subject that has been corrupted for a long time

> and trying to stage

> > a renaissance. Nobody has a perfect understanding

> of the teachings

> > of maharshis and we are constantly trying to

> improve. SJC and SJC

> > Gurus will definitely make great contributions in

> the coming years,

> > but we will invariably go thru phases of

> correction and evolution.

> > Basically, we should realize that we all groping

> in the dark for

> the

> > same Light.

> > >

> > > No offense meant to anyone and hope none is

> taken!

> > >

> > > May Jupiter's light shine on us,

> > > Narasimha

> > >

>

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> > >

> > > > Dear Rafal,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for all your help on this

> forum. I was just

> > wondering

> > > > are you a Student of Astrology or a Proper

> Guru from the

> > Jaganath

> > > > Center? You are helping many members that is

> why. It is nice to

> > know

> > > > someone is there to help out. Take Care and

> Best of Luck!

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Nava

> >

> >

> >

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