Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Hmmm.. seems like something doesn't like this message. Here's one more try at the complete message: || Om Krsna Guru || Dear Tarun, Namaskar Please just call me Samir. Let's reserve "ji" for those who deserve it - people like the SJC gurus . Many of the classics talk of various combinations and their effects, but every chart is unique and therefore we have to extend the reasoning enumerated in these texts in our predictions. Moon-Saturn combination will give different results depending on which house it occurs in, the sign, and also the planets aspecting. Without the influence of benefics, it can cause clinical depression. Generally a somewhat negative mindset. However it depends on the individual case. Rahu-Mars conjunction is known as Vijaya yoga. In Lagna it will produce a person who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, and generally incur great sin in the process. But in the 4th house it can mean that you get cheated a lot. So once again it depends on house placement. It depends entirely on which planets are in the 12th, and what houses they lord, to determine their effects. Lagnesh in the 12th isn't good, but bhadakesh in the 12th is a blessing. So you see talking about combinations in isolation doesn't really help us. Perhaps if you shared your birth details list members could share their thoughts. I am a beginner in Jyotish, so I may have some errors in my understanding. I hope I will be corrected where I am wrong. Best wishes, Samir "Tarun" <lovable_sue Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:48 am Re: --- Previous birth Curses( Samir ji) Dear Samir ji, namaste, Thanks for replying my mail.. is there any literature available which can tell us the thing .. as i have sun-mercury , and saturn-moon, and rahu-mangal.combination. sir do the placement of planets in 12th house also tell us the same thing, i mean curses. Thanks and regards Tarun,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Samir, Namaste. Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun- Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc. Rahu in 2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7 or conj with planets shows curses of different intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th from Ven shows curse from wife in previous births; Sun-Sat show curse of father. Just a hint. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Radhekrishna! HM --- In , "ray_of_solaris" <a48919062> wrote: > > Hmmm.. seems like something doesn't like this message. Here's one > more try at the complete message: > > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear Tarun, Namaskar > > Please just call me Samir. Let's reserve "ji" for those who deserve > it - people like the SJC gurus . > > Many of the classics talk of various combinations and their effects, > but every chart is unique and therefore we have to extend the > reasoning enumerated in these texts in our predictions. > > Moon-Saturn combination will give different results depending on > which house it occurs in, the sign, and also the planets aspecting. > Without the influence of benefics, it can cause clinical depression. > Generally a somewhat negative mindset. However it depends on the > individual case. > > Rahu-Mars conjunction is known as Vijaya yoga. In Lagna it will > produce a person who will stop at nothing to achieve their goals, and > generally incur great sin in the process. But in the 4th house it > can mean that you get cheated a lot. So once again it depends on > house placement. > > It depends entirely on which planets are in the 12th, and what houses > they lord, to determine their effects. Lagnesh in the 12th isn't > good, but bhadakesh in the 12th is a blessing. > > So you see talking about combinations in isolation doesn't really > help us. Perhaps if you shared your birth details list members could > share their thoughts. > > I am a beginner in Jyotish, so I may have some errors in my > understanding. I hope I will be corrected where I am wrong. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > "Tarun" <lovable_sue@> > Sat Apr 16, 2005 11:48 am > Re: --- Previous birth Curses( Samir ji) > > > Dear Samir ji, namaste, > > Thanks for replying my mail.. > > is there any literature available which can tell us the thing ... > > as i have sun-mercury , and saturn-moon, and rahu- mangal.combination. > > sir do the placement of planets in 12th house also tell us the same > thing, i mean curses. > > Thanks and regards > > Tarun,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear Himanshu, Namaskar, Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about isolated combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much. My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a curse of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. So, either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has to be weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house lord has to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa placements of these planets will also tell us a lot. Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. But I don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars must be involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or Rahu can cause this curse. So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is required is Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or Venus/it's dispositor should be weak. Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the curse of paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from the curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused by this combination (with other factors contributing). This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to correction. Best wishes, Samir At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote: ______________________ Message: 21 Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000 "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan > Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two messages) Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Samir, Namaste. Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun- Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc. Rahu in 2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7 or conj with planets shows curses of different intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th from Ven shows curse from wife in previous births; Sun-Sat show curse of father. Just a hint. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Radhekrishna! HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Samir, Namaste. We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that you gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some specific examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of these combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even now, being busy; I shall be sending these later), but one thing I would like to add that Sat in 12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus do not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves potent enough. Further afflictions only worsen the case. Rahu has a apecial place in maleficsc and it can be easily understood as curse indicator, since it shows the links to previous (through Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also called accummulating / incoming Karma controller. Similarly Saturn is also known to be the significator for making one reap / learn lessons according to his previous birth Karma and is therefore considered to signify celestial justice. It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular. However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as already agreed. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Radhekrishna! Himanshu Mohan , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar, > > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about isolated > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much. > > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a curse > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. So, > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has to be > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house lord has > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be > weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa placements > of these planets will also tell us a lot. > > Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. But I > don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars must be > involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or Rahu can > cause this curse. > > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is required is > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak. > > Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the curse of > paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from the > curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused by this > combination (with other factors contributing). > > This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to correction. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote: > >___________________ ___ > > > >Message: 21 > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000 > > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan> > >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two messages) > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagawate > >Vasudevay > >Dear Samir, > >Namaste. > >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun- > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc. > >Rahu in > >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7 > >or conj with planets shows curses of > >different > >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th > >from Ven shows curse from wife in > >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse > >of father. Just a hint. > >Om Shri > >Krishnarpanamastu. > >Radhekrishna! > >HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 Hare Rama Krsna Dear Samir, Im sure you will join me in urging Visti to enlighten the list with an article on curses and moola dasa. I for one also eagerly await his book. With best wishes Kasim , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Krsna Guru || > > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar, > > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about isolated > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much. > > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a curse > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. So, > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has to be > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house lord has > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be > weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa placements > of these planets will also tell us a lot. > > Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. But I > don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars must be > involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or Rahu can > cause this curse. > > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is required is > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak. > > Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the curse of > paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from the > curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused by this > combination (with other factors contributing). > > This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to correction. > > Best wishes, > > Samir > > > > > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote: > >__________________ ____ > > > >Message: 21 > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000 > > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan> > >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two messages) > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagawate > >Vasudevay > >Dear Samir, > >Namaste. > >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun- > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc. > >Rahu in > >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7 > >or conj with planets shows curses of > >different > >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th > >from Ven shows curse from wife in > >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse > >of father. Just a hint. > >Om Shri > >Krishnarpanamastu. > >Radhekrishna! > >HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 ||Om Krsna Guru|| Dear Himanshu, Namaskar I like this kind of exchange. I think it is beneficial to all of us to share our understanding and thereby refine it. Many thanks, Samir , "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan> wrote: > > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay > Dear Samir, > Namaste. > We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that you > gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some specific > examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of > these combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even > now, being busy; I shall be sending these later), but one thing I > would like to add that Sat in 12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus do > not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves potent > enough. Further afflictions only worsen the case. > > Rahu has a apecial place in maleficsc and it can be easily understood > as curse indicator, since it shows the links to previous (through > Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also called accummulating / > incoming Karma controller. > > Similarly Saturn is also known to be the significator for making one > reap / learn lessons according to his previous birth Karma and is > therefore considered to signify celestial justice. > > It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular. > However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as > already agreed. > > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. > Radhekrishna! > Himanshu Mohan > > > > , Samir Shah <a48919062> > wrote: > > || Om Krsna Guru || > > > > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar, > > > > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about > isolated > > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much. > > > > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a > curse > > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. > So, > > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has > to be > > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house > lord has > > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be > > weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa > placements > > of these planets will also tell us a lot. > > > > Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. > But I > > don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars > must be > > involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or > Rahu can > > cause this curse. > > > > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is > required is > > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or > > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak. > > > > Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the > curse of > > paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from > the > > curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused > by this > > combination (with other factors contributing). > > > > This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to > correction. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Samir > > > > > > > > > > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote: > > > >___________________ > ___ > > > > > >Message: 21 > > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000 > > > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan> > > >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous > two messages) > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagawate > > >Vasudevay > > >Dear Samir, > > >Namaste. > > >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun- > > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc. > > >Rahu in > > >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7 > > >or conj with planets shows curses of > > >different > > >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th > > >from Ven shows curse from wife in > > >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse > > >of father. Just a hint. > > >Om Shri > > >Krishnarpanamastu. > > >Radhekrishna! > > >HM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 I have Leo rising and its 2nd house is occupied by Jup and Mars. These two planets are aspected by Sat from 12th house and fifth aspect of Rahu from 10th house Taurus. It means 1. Jup is posited in an enemy house and Mars who is badhakesh also, conjoined. 2.Saturn + Rahu afflicting the Jup by aspect. It means I am suffering from a curse given by Brahmin or I might have mutiliated the idol kept in a temple in my previous birth. Which one is correct ? Or both are correct. If it is so, what is the remedies ?. Thanks and warm regards. Ramesh Mishraray_of_solaris <a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: ||Om Krsna Guru||Dear Himanshu, NamaskarI like this kind of exchange. I think it is beneficial to all of us to share our understanding and thereby refine it.Many thanks,Samir, "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan> wrote:> > Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay> Dear Samir,> Namaste.> We have been talking the same wavelength. Only difference is that you > gave the principles as per understanding, while I gave some specific > examples. I could not give further details regarding intensity of > these combinations indicating curses (I am not giving details even > now, being busy; I shall be sending these later), but one thing I > would like to add that Sat in 12th from Sun and Sat opposite Venus do > not require further afflictions, they are curses in themselves potent > enough. Further afflictions only worsen the case.> > Rahu has a apecial place in maleficsc and it can be easily understood > as curse indicator, since it shows the links to previous (through > Ketu) and future Karma. Rahu/Ketu are also called accummulating / > incoming Karma controller.> > Similarly Saturn is also known to be the significator for making one > reap / learn lessons according to his previous birth Karma and is > therefore considered to signify celestial justice.> > It is for this reason I mentioned Saturn and Rahu in particular.> However, the theory discussed by you is prefectly in place, as > already agreed.> > Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu.> Radhekrishna!> Himanshu Mohan> > > > --- In , Samir Shah <a48919062> > wrote:> > || Om Krsna Guru ||> > > > Dear Himanshu, Namaskar,> > > > Your comments confirm what I was saying - that talking about > isolated > > combinations (without house, sign etc), doesn't tell us very much.> > > > My understanding is that we cannot simply say that Moon+Saturn is a > curse > > of the mother. There needs to be something more to support this. > So, > > either another malefic must be conjoined/aspecting, or the Moon has > to be > > weak (debilitated, enemy sign etc.), or the Lagnesh or 4th house > lord has > > to be afflicted, or the dispositor of the Moon should be > > weak/afflicted. This is what Sanjayji says in VRA. The Navamsa > placements > > of these planets will also tell us a lot.> > > > Take the example of Brahma yoga. Jupiter + Saturn causes this. > But I > > don't believe it causes the curse of a Brahmin! For that, Mars > must be > > involved, or Jupiter/ his dispositor must be weak/afflicted. Or > Rahu can > > cause this curse.> > > > So for curse of wife, it is not enough to say that all that is > required is > > Venus + Saturn. The 7th house should also be affected somehow, or > > Venus/it's dispositor should be weak.> > > > Regarding Sun/Saturn or Moon/Saturn combinations, this causes the > curse of > > paternal (Sun) or Maternal (Moon) ancestor. This is different from > the > > curse of a parent in the previous birth, which can also be caused > by this > > combination (with other factors contributing).> > > > This is my understanding, it may be flawed, so I'm open to > correction.> > > > Best wishes,> > > > Samir> > > > > > > > > > At 23:35 16/04/2005, you wrote:> > > >___________________> ___> > >> > >Message: 21> > > Sat, 16 Apr 2005 17:34:51 -0000> > > "Himanshu Mohan" <himanshu_mohan>> > >Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous > two messages)> > >> > >> > >Om Namo Bhagawate> > >Vasudevay> > >Dear Samir,> > >Namaste.> > >Curses are indicated by Rahu, Sun-> > >Sat, Sat-Moon, Sat-Ven etc.> > >Rahu in> > >2, 4, 7 from Asc or Moon and Sat in 12, 7> > >or conj with planets shows curses of> > >different> > >intensity. E.G.: Sat in 7th> > >from Ven shows curse from wife in> > >previous births; Sun-Sat show curse> > >of father. Just a hint.> > >Om Shri> > >Krishnarpanamastu.> > >Radhekrishna!> > >HM~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today India Matrimony: Find your life partner online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2005 Report Share Posted April 18, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear Kasim, Namaskar Most certainly! But, in the meantime, I believe that the best use of our time is to master the basics that have already been expounded by Sanjayji and the SJC gurus. I'm realising that without proper grounding, it can be quite fruitless to venture into some of the deeper aspects. Warm regards, Samir "Kasim" <kasim_c Sun Apr 17, 2005 5:30 pm Re: --- Previous birth Curses - resend (ignore previous two messages) Hare Rama Krsna Dear Samir, Im sure you will join me in urging Visti to enlighten the list with an article on curses and moola dasa. I for one also eagerly await his book. With best wishes Kasim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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