Guest guest Posted June 13, 2002 Report Share Posted June 13, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah ------------------------------- Dear Ilona, You have done injustice to the science of Prasna, now anyone who tries to answer through prasna, will each draw different charts. And its for this reason that Prasna can only be drawn when the querry goes to 1 Jyotisha alone, and that Jyotisha alone is hence capable of answering the question. This puzzle must be answered through other means, i shall try using her natal chart. The Shodasamsa, is the Varga that shows luxuries, such as cars, computers etc. The aquisition of livestock should also come under this varga. The Narayana Dasa Shodasa-Rasi, should determine the color of the articles she purchases during this time. Heres her D-16: Hellman - Horse Puzzle Natal Chart January 11, 1963Time: 14:10:00Time Zone: 1:00:00 (East of GMT)Longitude: 7 E 35' 00"Latitude: 50 N 14' 00" +--------------+| |HL |Jup GL |Glk || | |AL | || | | | || | | | || | | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Sun | |MarR Rah || | |Ket || | | || | | || | Shodasamsa | ||-----------| |-----------||Ven Sat | D-16 |Asc || | | || | | || | | || | | ||-----------+-----------------------+-----------||Moo Mnd |MerR | | || | | | || | | | || | | | || | | | |+--------------+ Following are the Narayana(Padakrama) dasa's calculated using her Rasi's 4th lord as Lagna in D-16; # Rasi Date Age 1 Aq 11-01-1963 0 2 Cn 10-01-1970 7 3 Sg 10-01-1977 14 4 Ta 10-01-1982 19 5 Li 10-01-1990 27 6 Pi 10-01-1993 30 7 Le 10-01-2003 40 She's currently undergoing the D-16 Narayana Dasa of Pisces. Parasara has stated that Dasa's should be divided into 3. Pisces being an Ubhaya Sign, gives its results of its sign in its first 3rd. Next 3rd is of its lord, and last 3rd is of its occupants or those grahas that aspect Pisces. As the last 3rd of Pisces is running the results of grahas aspecting Pisces should show the color of the horse. Moon gives Rasi Dristi(sign Aspect) on Pisces, from Sag, who is of whitish/gray color, hence will indicate the color of the horse. I hope i'm right. Still unsure as how to see that she buys horses. 4th house/lord, should give us a clue. Best wishes, Visti. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Dear Visti, as I wrote, that any method will be useful I cannot see my injustice here. You are free to take your own turn and also to take your own numbers! It`s the result that count`s won`t you think so? Meanwhile I`m hating any discussion and quarrels about methods due to the above reason. Nevertheless I`m grateful for your participation and will share my thoughts with you later. Maybe that someone else will join too. I sent my prediction by using the given numbers to our friend yesterday - as an official postmarked letter -, so nobody can tell me that I cheated here. She will decide in the next few weeks. Your answer sounds really interesting too and perhaps we`ll receive a broad range of tries. Best, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Dear Ilona, It is better to give the time and place you used to calculate the horary question, because other shall calculate for the same time and place , because question was put to you by the questioner. Inder Jit Sahni - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Friday, June 14, 2002 11:47 AM Re: [GJ] HorsePuzzle > Dear Visti, > as I wrote, that any method will be useful I cannot see my injustice here. > You are free to take your own turn and also to take your own numbers! It`s > the result that count`s won`t you think so? > Meanwhile I`m hating any discussion and quarrels about methods due to the > above reason. > Nevertheless I`m grateful for your participation and will share my thoughts > with you later. Maybe that someone else will join too. > I sent my prediction by using the given numbers to our friend yesterday - as > an official postmarked letter -, so nobody can tell me that I cheated here. > She will decide in the next few weeks. > Your answer sounds really interesting too and perhaps we`ll receive a broad > range of tries. > Best, Ilona > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2002 Report Share Posted June 14, 2002 Dear Inder, OK! I calculated the chart for horse A (no. 190) on june 12. 2002 8:14:57 AM in Boppard, germany 50N14 7 E35. zone 1 + 1 hour DST According to the number this horse got capricorn lagna 1°13 The moon was in gemini 12°27 (KP ayanamsha). Horse B (no. 153) was calculated on the same date at 8:16:08 AM AC according to the number is scorpio 10°19. The moon was in 12°15 gemini. Hope this helps, kind regards, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 Dear Visti, as there seem to be no more answers to this puzzle, I`ll give you my own try now. I wrote to our friend that she would prefer the white horse, being the same one, you also said. If you will look at my horary charts you can see lagna lord (mars) of horse B (153) being conjoined with the moon in gemini. The moon denotes changeability as well as the dual mercury ruled sign gemini. I decided therefore that horse B will be the white one, changing from grey to white. Navamsha lagna lord venus, who rules colors in general, occupies the moon sign cancer. Venus rules also silk and silk remembers me on white stuffs too. According to the scorpio lagna I would declare this horse to be the more lively or more difficult to educate one. Second housecusp (KP) falls in sagittarius under lord and sub lord venus (luxury), herself being in Jupiter`s constellation. Thus I wrote her that this white horse might be more expensive. Hence the lagna of this horse will be nearly exactly on the same degree with Venus in our friend`s chart I wrote her that she might feel more connected to this horse. Horse A has capricorn rising according to the given number and saturn will be lagna lörd. Saturn denotes dark color. Hence Saturn is conjoined withe Rahu, indicating brown color and this conjunction happens in fix taurus I would decide that horse A must be the brown one. Capricorn AC might give a more serious and quiet temperament. The 2nd house cusp falls in aquarius, thus ruled by thrifty Saturn. Jupiter is lord and venus is sublord. Due to Saturn I decided this horse to be less expensive. (difference will be 500 euro according to our friend.) So I wrote her that she will probably take the white horse. She is actually running Venus Saturn until january 2003 and had several disappointments with horses in the last time. Two times a desired horse has been declared sick in the last moment. So I`m a bit unsure if she will really fullfill her desire until january 2002. Our animals are ruled by the 6th house and diseases of animals will therefore be indicated by the 12th. Venus is a significator for her 12th house as well as for her 5th and 9th house. Maybe that the veterinarian will again diagnose diseases in these cases and Saturn will delay again. In every case I`ll let you know when she informs me. Best, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 I did not yet read your try, impatient lady ! I have extreme difficulties at the moment with AOL and not too much time. But I printed out my prasna chart and came to the conclusion that *if* she buys one, it will be the white one. But I'm not sure whether she will really do it, maybe that there will be some sort of shock in the last minute. That's all I can say now - but I will have a closer look to decide which one is the faster one etc. Best wishes Gisela ..... www.gisel.de Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 Vyam Vysadevaya Namah --------- Dear Ilona, Why did you draw a prasna for each horse? Usually when someone comes with a querry, they have multiple choices, and these should be seen in the same prasna. Also who asked the question? Did you ask the question or did she? Lastly, the Number given during for the prasna shows the persons state of mind during the question. This number will actually determine which horse she will buy, hence no need for getting a number for each horse. I guess i'm trying to say that you only needed 1 prasna and 1 number. As for the time of Prasna, it depends on who asked the question. Best wishes, Visti. - <HellmannC200 <gjlist> Saturday, June 15, 2002 5:49 PM Re: [GJ] HorsePuzzle Dear Visti, as there seem to be no more answers to this puzzle, I`ll give you my own try now. I wrote to our friend that she would prefer the white horse, being the same one, you also said. If you will look at my horary charts you can see lagna lord (mars) of horse B (153) being conjoined with the moon in gemini. The moon denotes changeability as well as the dual mercury ruled sign gemini. I decided therefore that horse B will be the white one, changing from grey to white. Navamsha lagna lord venus, who rules colors in general, occupies the moon sign cancer. Venus rules also silk and silk remembers me on white stuffs too. According to the scorpio lagna I would declare this horse to be the more lively or more difficult to educate one. Second housecusp (KP) falls in sagittarius under lord and sub lord venus (luxury), herself being in Jupiter`s constellation. Thus I wrote her that this white horse might be more expensive. Hence the lagna of this horse will be nearly exactly on the same degree with Venus in our friend`s chart I wrote her that she might feel more connected to this horse. Horse A has capricorn rising according to the given number and saturn will be lagna lörd. Saturn denotes dark color. Hence Saturn is conjoined withe Rahu, indicating brown color and this conjunction happens in fix taurus I would decide that horse A must be the brown one. Capricorn AC might give a more serious and quiet temperament. The 2nd house cusp falls in aquarius, thus ruled by thrifty Saturn. Jupiter is lord and venus is sublord. Due to Saturn I decided this horse to be less expensive. (difference will be 500 euro according to our friend.) So I wrote her that she will probably take the white horse. She is actually running Venus Saturn until january 2003 and had several disappointments with horses in the last time. Two times a desired horse has been declared sick in the last moment. So I`m a bit unsure if she will really fullfill her desire until january 2002. Our animals are ruled by the 6th house and diseases of animals will therefore be indicated by the 12th. Venus is a significator for her 12th house as well as for her 5th and 9th house. Maybe that the veterinarian will again diagnose diseases in these cases and Saturn will delay again. In every case I`ll let you know when she informs me. Best, Ilona Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2002 Report Share Posted June 15, 2002 Dear Visti, our friend gave me the puzzle to decide which horse is which one and I asked her to give me a number for each horse. Also she is still unsure about which horse she should buy. So I tried to predict it. This is all. I`m also doing this in twin cases even without any question. Or to say it in other words, I`m answering my own question. As I`m studying KP rules since a while I`m trying to interprete horary charts according to these rules. It`s a kind of research for me. Do you remember the case of Baby Grossberg, last year? You sent me mistakenly the dates of your own prashna chart instead of the birthdates. Nevertheless I interpretated your prashna correct and told you that this child would be dead. Of course it must have been dead because you took the prashna for it in the right moment and I could only see the same. So please don`t let us follow endless prashna or horary discussions now. Maybe we have different views here. Let`s simply do our work. regards, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2002 Report Share Posted June 16, 2002 Dear Gisela, sorry for my impatience! Impacient like a race hose... Many thanks for your answer too. It seems as if we all decided for the white horse, if anyhow. You are right , this will be the great question. The chart of the white horse shows also danger of accidents, while the brown horse could be a bit sickly. Hopefully our friend will take a fruitful decision. I`ll let you know. Best, Ilona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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