Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 15, 2002 Report Share Posted February 15, 2002 Dear Cynthia and All, Magha is indicative of natural leadership ability, an ability to command a large following of people. More often than not, people with a strong Magha influence end up in high influential positions. This is more pronounced if a natal planet is conjunct the fixed star Regulus. In Vedic Astrology, this would be Magha Naxatra, Taurus Navamsa. If its rising or on the 4th and 10th house axis, you can expect the native to "rule", literally. Magha is prominent in the horoscopes of the following people: Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Donald Trump, Neil Armstrong, incumbent Pope John Paul, and Sir Don Bradman. Regards, K. - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 16, 2002 5:25 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2002 Report Share Posted February 16, 2002 Dear Cynthia and List I do not have so many examples of this nakshatra in my files .Basically to me it denotes regality the King on his throne . Natives born under this nakshtra have a strong sense of tradition and purpose and give and command respect . Thus they have a capacity for leadership .This tends to work more easily for males than females .Females born under this nakshtra will attract envy and have people snipe at them behind their back .In either case the native will poseess great confidence .The negative side of this nakshatra are the mirror image of the positive ; arrogance,over confidence ,pomposity,goals so high they are unachievable or unable to be worked out . In comparison to the Asvini nakshatra( the corresponding nakshatra in the first cycle) who is more a pioneering type of leader the Magha leader is far more a traditional type . There is a tradition of worship of the forefathers in India .The forefathers due to pious merit attain some heavenly realm and as long as their descendents perform puja for them they can remain there . Thus it was very important to everyone following this system to maintain the tradition and taboo to deviate from it .When one died then one could go and be with the forefathers and one would be dependent on ones descendents to keep him there . Thus there are simultaneously the idea of remaining in one's earthly family whilst enjoying some type of paradise .Thus there are notions of both humanness and Godlikeness ..The region of the pitris is different to the devas . This discussion of the pitris does illuminate some of the ideas associated with this nakshatra . Since I'm short of case studies in my files I'd be interested in hearing from any Maghas out there . Kind regards Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:55 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat SatTo , send an email to: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Jyotisha, One must not lose from sight that the first Pada of Makha Nakshatra falls into a Riskha or Mahasandhi, which would be of Aries Navamsa. So the double influence of Mangal and Ketu would pose a danger, particularly for moon placement, since they both rule debilitation sign of Moon. Otherwise, The fourth pada of Magha ruled by Kark navamsa would tend to give fame and popularity depending on the state of Chandra and Ketu. Best wishes, Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2002 Report Share Posted February 17, 2002 Dear Zoran Would you explain this further. What sort of danger and what would you say to or expect to see in the life of one with the Moon in the 1st pada? I just ran a search of clients with the Moon in Magha and found about 40. Of the ones whom I could remember and know something of their lives, I found 5 in the 1st pada. What should I expect to see in their lives based upon what you have said? One think I immediately thought when I looked at this list of names was that most of them really struggle in relationships. Is that the sort of danger you would expect or do you mean something more literal. Sincerely cynthia - Zoran Radosavljevic <ahimsa <gjlist> Sunday, February 17, 2002 6:03 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha > Dear Jyotisha, > One must not lose from sight that the first Pada of Makha Nakshatra > falls > into a Riskha or Mahasandhi, which would be of Aries Navamsa. So the > double influence of Mangal and Ketu would pose a danger, particularly > for moon placement, since they both rule debilitation sign of Moon. > Otherwise, The fourth pada of Magha ruled by Kark navamsa would tend to > give fame and popularity depending on the state of Chandra and Ketu. > Best wishes, > Zoran > Zoran Radosavljevic > Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre > mails: ahimsa > ahimsa > web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2002 Report Share Posted February 18, 2002 Dear Cynthia The danger of Riskha Nakshatra may be significant. It all depends on the strength of the lagna, but some serious preoblems may crop up concerning health. Also do examine the house where Gandhant moon is placed. I have recenetly seen a kumbha lagna with surya in first pada of mesh (gandhant) in 3rd house, and surya dasha commencing on birth. He was born with defective hand/shoulder...My late friend, with chandra in Riskha sandhi (this time pisces) in 8th house got killed in an accident, even though he was a few times warned about that. Pay attention to health mostly Best wishes, Zoran Zoran Radosavljevic Jyotish Teacher at Shri Jagannath Vedic Centre mails: ahimsa ahimsa web address: http://www.sjvc.co.yu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol Hook In a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 Dear Carol Yes Magha was the last one we did the 14th of 28 so we are half way . We took a break while Cynthia dealt with the loss of her mother but she is back on list now . Nicholas - Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:22 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Cynthia, Nicholas, Natabara, and List, I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol HookIn a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and AllAre we ready to go to Magha?This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human.This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins>I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations.cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 Dear Nicholas, I'm new to vedic astrology (coming from western astrology) and joined this list recently. I really appreciate the Nakshatra discussions. Could you recommend a web site on Nakshatras? Thank you in advance Best regards Maddalena - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:48 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Carol Yes Magha was the last one we did the 14th of 28 so we are half way . We took a break while Cynthia dealt with the loss of her mother but she is back on list now . Nicholas - Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:22 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Cynthia, Nicholas, Natabara, and List, I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol HookIn a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and AllAre we ready to go to Magha?This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human.This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins>I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations.cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 Dear Maddelena Welcome to Vedic astrology and the GJLIST . There are many who have come across from Western astrology on this list . I do not know of any web site that gives a full coverage to all the nakshtras usually they contain samples promoting books or software . Good source books are Hart de Fowe's Light on Life , Subhakarana's Nakshatra's and William Levacy's Beneath a Vedic Sky . I attach 31 texts containing material on the 14 nakshatras we have discussed so far in case you or others missed them . Best Wishes Nicholas - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 6:00 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas, I'm new to vedic astrology (coming from western astrology) and joined this list recently. I really appreciate the Nakshatra discussions. Could you recommend a web site on Nakshatras? Thank you in advance Best regards Maddalena - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:48 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Carol Yes Magha was the last one we did the 14th of 28 so we are half way . We took a break while Cynthia dealt with the loss of her mother but she is back on list now . Nicholas - Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:22 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Cynthia, Nicholas, Natabara, and List, I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol HookIn a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and AllAre we ready to go to Magha?This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human.This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins>I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations.cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Letter PAMHO:5196741 (193 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:54 (07:54 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6945] Fw: : Nakshatras /Dhanista --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Monday, January 21, 2002 10:45 AM Fwd: : Nakshatras /Dhanista > gjlist, "Nicholas" <costa@A...> wrote: > Dear John > Ah Dhanista . I don't think I have a single Dhanista in my records > with a > suceessful marrital history. > The presiding deity of Dhanista is the Vasus who played a trick on a > sage > who cursed them to fall to earth . The last of the Vasus was the great > ksatriya Bhisma who took a lifelong vow of celibacy . He was a > powerful > fighter and many qualified women wanted to marry him but he never > deviated > from his vow . For a member of the royal order to take a vow of > celibacy was > very unusual .This would seem to be the origin of the difficulties in > relationships . > > C'est la Vie > Nicholas > > > > - > "John Rasonabe" <jr_esq> > <gjlist> > Sunday, December 16, 2001 9:37 AM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Cynthia, > > > > My Moon is in the nakshatra of Dhanista, which is > > represented by a drum. When I was younger, I played > > the saxophone and was involved in the school music > > band up to college. I was also a member of a rock > > band at that time. Presently, I'm playing the piano, > > which is considered a percussion instrument. > > > > Hart DeFouw also stated that persons in this nakshatra > > has a tendency to have issues with personal > > relationships, as in marriage. This appears to be > > true. My relationships don't appear to develop very > > well into a rewarding experience. I'm still and > > single and looking. > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > > > Dear Nicholas > > > > > > > > > Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I > > > mean. > > > > > > What do you know about Rohini? > > > > > > Don't be shy, this is fun. > > > > > > > > > BTW, I've found some really interesting things about > > > Hasta. One man with > > > this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he > > > would literally juggle to > > > get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong > > > with clients in the > > > computer industry. They figured out that this work > > > would give them a good > > > living and then balanced it with doing things that > > > were fun on the outside. > > > It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much > > > the dreamer or romantic > > > that others are. One of the difficulties comes in > > > spending. When you work > > > hard at a job that you don't really love, you might > > > balance it by spending > > > big...just another observation. I've found this one > > > very good as math, > > > statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick > > > comes in balancing. > > > <grins> > > > > > > I've heard it called a thief, but haven't > > > encountered that in my cleints. > > > Some might have felt like a thief in the large > > > salaries, but I have not > > > found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. > > > What have you found. > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > Nicholas <costa@A...> > > > <gjlist> > > > Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > > > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All > > > have an easy and > > > difficult > > > > > side. > > > > > > > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I > > > would cast a dissenting > > > > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far > > > nastier than others otherwise > > > > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" > > > or why do some have > > > > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are > > > some asociated with > > > > opulence providing demigods and others associated > > > with demigods assigned > > > the > > > > task of destruction . > > > > > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > > Sat > > > > : > > > gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > > Sat > > > : > > > gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196741) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196742 (47 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:54 (07:54 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6946] Fw: [GJ] Abhijit --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Monday, January 14, 2002 4:57 PM [GJ] Abhijit Dear Cynthia and List Members The mainly unused Abhijit Nakshatra extends from Capricorn 6 40 to 10 54 and therefore spans the nakshtras Uttarasadha and Sravana .The presiding deity is Lord Brahma and rulership of this nakshatra is given to the Sun.Lord Brahma also rules Rohini and is the only Demigod to get sole rulership over two nakshatras although Indra and Agni rule one on their own and share Vishaka. So Cynthia's Moon nakshars is in Abhijit hence her curiousity in the matter ..It is Godly by class .It is difficult to ascertain why the number of nakshatrsa was reduced from 28 to 27 but some say it was because of ease of calculation . 24 minutes before and after midday is considered the Abhijit Muhurtha and is considered a very auspicious time to start new work . The democratic Russian state was started during this muhurtha . I haven't done much research on the qualities of persons born under this nakshatra .Supposedly in child hood they have health problems and in the workplace they are dynamic personalities who blur the distnction between employer and employee believing in the equality of all .They tend to make their own careers .There is a distinction between these natives and Uttarashada in that these natives have penetrating insight whereas Uttarasadha persons tend towards naiive . In either case though they will not be pushed around .There seems to be a tendency to change partners in search of the perfect soul mate . I notice that Cynthia thinks she is somewhat different to other Uttarasadha natives and this could be because she is truly born under Abhijit nakshatra . In the end Abhijit nakshatra is one of many enigmas in Vedic astrology and anything I have said should only be accepted tentatively . Hope this stimulates some discussion Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196742) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196743 (116 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:55 (07:55 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6947] Fw: [GJ] Abhijit --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, January 15, 2002 2:56 AM Re: [GJ] Abhijit Dear Nicholas Thank you so much for this. I'm printing it out as I'm typing! I have a hard time commenting on this one because it is so close to home. I'll take it point by point. Dear Cynthia and List Members The mainly unused Abhijit Nakshatra extends from Capricorn 6 40 to 10 54 and therefore spans the nakshtras Uttarasadha and Sravana .The presiding deity is Lord Brahma and rulership of this nakshatra is given to the Sun.Lord Brahma also rules Rohini and is the only Demigod to get sole rulership over two nakshatras although Indra and Agni rule one on their own and share Vishaka. So Cynthia's Moon nakshars is in Abhijit hence her curiousity in the matter ..It is Godly by class .It is difficult to ascertain why the number of nakshatrsa was reduced from 28 to 27 but some say it was because of ease of calculation . 24 minutes before and after midday is considered the Abhijit Muhurtha and is considered a very auspicious time to start new work . The democratic Russian state was started during this muhurtha . I haven't done much research on the qualities of persons born under this nakshatra .Supposedly in child hood they have health problems This is accurate. I was VERRRY overweight when I was young, actually gaining a lot of weight under Mars MaDa. I also took a lot of medication for everything from weightloss to heavy decongestants and ultimately learned I had a deviated septum. I'm more than a little skeptical about Dr. recommendations these days <grins> Oh, I'm the typical American woman who would like to lose 10# but am average or normal weight. I have to work at it, but thanks to SAturn as lord of the 2nd I can do it...even with Moon and Jupiter triggering the lagna. I am also very healthy. and in the workplace they are dynamic personalities who blur the distnction between employer and employee believing in the equality of all . +++Yes! In fact since I was 19 I have not had a job where I had to be in one place for 40 hours a week. Even then, they would shift me to different departments. I know that part of it was my willingness to step in and make decisions. As an insurance investigator or a college instructor I liked to set up my schedule and od things my way. I never realized it had to do with this nak. They tend to make their own careers . +++That fits, it takes a lot of nerve to do astrology full time and trust that you can make a living out of it. There is a distinction between these natives and Uttarashada in that these natives have penetrating insight whereas Uttarasadha persons tend towards naiive . +++I don't know about that, I will say the I have a nice steady clientele in astrology. In either case though they will not be pushed around . +++that is true, I used to be a bit of a handful for my employer, but I was so efficient and productive that they left me alone. There seems to be a tendency to change partners in search of the perfect soul mate . +++THere I'm not so sure. Relationships have been very challenging and I would say that while I'm not afriad to leave when it is clear it doesn't work, I'm also inclined to stay and work on it longer than most. It toook a lot to leave my marriage, but I am glad I did. In fact, there is no complement to Utar Ashada so there is a sense that there is NO perfect soul mate. THis may just be my empirical nature. I have seen the soul mate quest in Rohini and Mrigishira. +++Those clients born in Adhijit and I have a quick synergy. There is a sense of being part of a sort of priestly order although we are not religious. I would say that we are good listeners and advisers and forever searching for "truth" that is known internally rather than scientifically. I notice that Cynthia thinks she is somewhat different to other Uttarasadha natives and this could be because she is truly born under Abhijit nakshatra . In the end Abhijit nakshatra is one of many enigmas in Vedic astrology and anything I have said should only be accepted tentatively . Hope this stimulates some discussion Nicholas again, thank you for your time and effort. cynthia Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196743) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196744 (62 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:55 (07:55 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6948] Fw: [GJ] ASLESHA --------------------------- - natabara GJlist Thursday, January 24, 2002 9:20 PM [GJ] ASLESHA dear Chris you <<This is my Moon's nashaktra. I notice no one mentioned it. It seems like a pretty bad one. Has to do with snakes and cats, and being a destroyer of homes. Any insights to it? I happen to love cats very much, and wish I were as wise as a serpent and harmless as a dove, when I do things. Any sharing would be appreciated. Thanks, chrys333>> me In my opinion, every planet, sign, house or naksatra can indicate either good or bad trends. It is up to us by free will, to try to take advantage of the good indications and to try to minimize or avoid the bad trends. Of course, we cannot always avoid the bad trends but at least we could pray to learn how to minimize them. Aslesha can be a good constellation, it is called the Clinging Star, its symbol is a coiled snake and its demigod is Ahi (snake). Another name for Ahi is Naga. According to the vedas, the Naga people are very powerful. They have mystical powers and generally live underground. They have the powers to appear under any form or shape that they want. In Mexico, people with those powers are called Nahuales. A Nahual is a wizard that can take the form of a coyote (to go to places to see and to run fast); an eagle, to fly fast; a crow, to learn something or to give a message, etc. Arjuna the great hero of the Mahabharata, married a beautiful Naga lady that took the human shape of a lady. Please correct me if i am wrong. According to the book Astrology and Jyotirvidya by Viswa Nath Deva Sarma "It has power to secretely travel or penetrate into a place where ordinarly it is impossible to go. Such power is despicted by the name Chandra-Ketu- another name of Shiva-the lord of wisdom. Chandra-Ketu is, therefore, represented by the symbol of Shiva in yoga with Chandra (as Chandra or Moon appears in krishna Chaturadasi, or the 14th moon dark day) on his forehead and a snak coiling round his neck." Also, you can see that the coiled snake is a powerful symbol among the medical profession. best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196744) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196747 (53 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:56 (07:56 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6949] Fw: [GJ] ASLESHA --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Friday, January 25, 2002 12:18 PM Re: [GJ] ASLESHA Dear Chris Ashlesha is one of my favorite naks. It seems to get a lot of bad press. The nagas are magical beings who can bring gifts, temptations or obstacles. The funny thing, the Ashlesha must learn how to distinguish the difference <grins>. I call it one of the magicians. The snake appears to be sleeping to those who would watch, but in fact he is waiting, preparing for his next leap. Often Ashleshans [my word] take what appears to be great leaps. One man appeared to stop smoking over night! In fact he had been preparing to stop for 3 months and finally had his mind prepared to make the leap. He quit cold turkey and never looked back. They also have the capacity to change relationships quickly, but there are really very loyal. The quickness I find is very analogous to Mercury the planetary lord. It seems to really fit here. Ashlesha has a tough time telling the truth. I've seen them make promises and never fulfill them. They might say whatever you want to hear and then forget or simply reframe it in their minds to fit something else. A good friend of mine has this placement for his Moon and he said that Ash. has to learn to tell the truth. Another friend tells the silliest lies. It is as if he can't simply say that he made a mistake or had an agenda. Not long ago he left his dog with me. Now, I love dogs and have often taken care of this dog because my friend is so out of condition and preoccupied that he never took her for a walk and had a very small yard. [these traits I do not ascribe to Ash.] Anyway, he said that he would have too many things in his vehicle to stop and pick her up on his return. That was 2 months ago! I asked him what all he bought on that trip and he said a sweater and some earrings! Anyway, the dog is having a better life, but he might of simply told me that his new girlfriend didn't like the dog. I had actually figured that out, but he could simply tell the truth. No, I didn't call him on it. I've known him for 10 years and he would not admit his mistake. This is an extreme and he has several planets in Ash. in the 1st with Rahu and Jupiter so it is the extreme. Still, it is a trait that I had not seen mentioned. Again, this is one of my favorites because of the charm and ability to stretch between the worlds and shape-shift. That, unfortunately must always be balanced with accountability. cynthia Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196747) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196750 (45 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:56 (07:56 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6950] Fw: [GJ] Aslesha --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Friday, January 25, 2002 6:18 PM [GJ] Aslesha Dear Chris A few of my observations on Aslesha . This 9th nakshatra gets a bad press whereas the 8th Pushya glowing praise.I have often puzzled over the numerology of this .Perhaps Natabara who is a numerology expert could make a comment . This nakshatra tends to emphasise the forceful side of Cancer whereas Pushya tends to emphasise the nuturing side . The serpent in traditional thought is considered imbued with wisdom and it's hypnotic look posesses tremendous penetration . Consequently in the company of Aslesha natives a person may feel uncomfortable as if their foibles are exposed .This discomfort may be accenuated by Aslesha's tendency for blunt speech . Wise as they are to the ways of others they are not usually so wise in their own life .Serpents are also associated with poison and thus there are often found to be junkies influenced by this nakshatra .Like Cynthia said though I have seen them make a complete break with it . These qualities are said to make Aslesha's good leaders because at the top one cannot afford to be wishy washy and being found in Cancer Aslesha will still have nuturing qualities .This combination of forcefulness,wisdom and nuturing can make them succeesful as social workers who deal with criminals,juvenile delinquency or substance abuse . So despite the bad press as Natabara Prabhu said the energies can be utilised positively . Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196750) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196754 (109 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:56 (07:56 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6951] Fw: [GJ] ASLESHA --------------------------- - natabara GJlist Tuesday, January 29, 2002 11:23 PM [GJ] ASLESHA Dear Nicholas you <<Wise as they are to the ways of others they are not usually so wise in their own life>> me Aslesha is ruled by Mercury and therefore people ruled by this planet are very "mercurial". Apparently to others they may appear "not usually so wise in their own life" but they are wise in their own ways. you <<Serpents are also associated with poison and thus there are often found to be junkies>> me Perhaps that is the case but by poison we have also the other poison given in general by those in power to control people. I have a Hare Krishna devotee friend that became a celebrity in South America as a musician. In the late 70's and beginning 80's (i lost track of him since then) TV cameras, newspapers and radios used to wait for him at the aereoports, mainly in Colombia to interviewed him. He wrote beautiful songs and i remember one that is related to the poison given by politicians to people, something like "Tio Sam pocos te conocen, tiras la piedra y luego te escondes", something like "Uncle Sam few people really know you". There is another nice song written by (i think another devotee) that says "When i went to school, my teachers gave me poison and i drank it like a fool". This song is obviously refering to Avidya, a Sanskrit word meaning the opposite to vidya or real knowledge. Therefore, by poison, ignorance or avidya can also be understood. Ashlesa is ruled by the intellectual Mercury, the karaka or natural indicator for intelligence. Real intelligence is related to real vidya or real knowledge and the snake carrying the poison is the keeper of the impurities. Poison can also be used to cure certain illnesses, in fact many medicines can be poison to a person when given in great quantities. We were told to be like the swan that can drink water from milk, in a similar way we must learn to drink nectar from among poison and vidya form avidya. you <<These qualities are said to make Aslesha's good leaders because at the top one cannot afford to be wishy washy and being found in Cancer Aslesha will still have nuturing qualities >> me Yes, and when the moon and mercury qualities are blended, we get a very sensitive (Cancerians) and intelligent (Aslesha) person. you <<This 9th nakshatra gets a bad press whereas the 8th Pushya glowing praise>> me I think that every sign, house, constellation or planet can be both bad or good. you <<I have often puzzled over the numerology of this>> me Well, see that in the vimshottari system, the constellations ruled by Mercury are the 9th, 18th and 27th. All of them having 9 as a root. I do not know how or why Parasara has told us so but he and vedic astrologers must have had their reasons and i accept it. Perhaps at present we cannot see the game but with faith we know that it is right. Take for example the owners of the signs. Nobody knows why Mars rules Aries and Scorpio but one day i did an study of it by following the divisions of the sodasavargas, or the system in vedic astrology dealing with 16 divisions. I found out that 2,400 vargas or divisions rule every sign and by counting the amount of those rulers i found out that in every sign, its ruler has the most amount of divisions. In this way for example, Mars has the more amount of divisions in Aries and Scorpio with 553 and 523 respectively. While Saturn has in Aries the lowest amount of divisions and the moon does the same in Scorpio, not wonder that Saturn and the Moon are debilitated, weak or necha in those signs. But mind, i did not find that the 7 planets in necha have the lowest amount of divisions. Perhaps one day i will post abput this study. Regarding the numbers in constellations, naksatras 9 get the Martian vibrations because Mars rules number 9 (see Harish Johari) but by rulership Mercury rules number 5, which is the pentagon on a plane or the polyedre in a form. Best wishes Natabara Das Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196754) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196757 (123 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:57 (07:57 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6952] Fw: [GJ] Asvini --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, December 25, 2001 10:05 AM Re: [GJ] Asvini Thank You Sorry, have been distracted lately. I am most appreciative for the dialogue. I do not have must personal experience with surgeons, but do have two in my client charts. The 1st has nothing in Ashwini, but is a neuro surgeon and has amazingly the Moon in utar Bhadra, and a Sun Mars conjunction opposing it. The 2nd I have not seen in some years. He was about to begin training in plastic surgery much to the chagrin of his family who have a history as heart surgeons. Guess where his Sun and Mars are...you got it, in Ashwini at 8 and 10 degrees to be exact. I agree with the generosity. In fact, they may be a little irresponsible with money. One woman with Ashwini Moon is a dentist who is forever in debt. Her calling has been to create a program to administer dental health to the poor. Still, she is forever spending and had been involved in some speculative ventures. There is the story about their mother. She was married to the Sun god who was a real ego maniac. She had enough and so put her maid in her place and left. After several years the Sun god noticed that his children were not getting along. He assumed that something must be amiss so he went to the celestial architect Tvastar (?) who put him on his great lathe and cut the Sun god's radiance down so he could see things more clearly. When he realized he had been tricked, he searched for his wife who had taken the body of a mare. He became a stallion and mated with her. From that union of Aswins were born. There is a bit of a fear of being betrayed in relationships. Sometimes they seem to be afraid that they will be duped or left out in some way. I've also noticed that they love the notion of animals and nature but are not fond of having pets. One woman who is the dentist mentioned above told me that she didn't have a vet and assumed that her dog would take care of itself. This is not very wise in TX where heart worms are pretty bad and spread my mosquitoes almost year round. Another woman with the Ashwini Moon loves to go on nature walks and even feeds the birds but really dislikes taking care of a pet. She has done so for her daughter's small dog but really feels put upon. Thank you for the other story. I didn't know it. That removable head could be symbolic of being divided or perhaps two faced? c Dear Cynthia, Elspook and List Here are my notes on Asvini Asvini is symbolised by a horse's head and ruled ocver by the Asvini(horse headed ) Kumaras. Thus it is often associated with twins One chart I have in my files is of a man born under this nakshatra who has a close Jupiter Rahu conjunction and does have twins . One time the Asvini Kumaras asked Dadhici to instruct them in the spiritual science but Lord Indra told Dadhici that since the twins were only physicians that if he did it he would cut off Dadhici's head .So being physicians the Asvini Kumaras put a horse's head on Dadhici's body and Dadhici instructed them through a horse's head .When Indra found out about it he cut off Dadhici's horse's head but the Asvini Kumaras replaced this horse's head with the original head .(That same head found it's way into one of the scenes in the Godfather : - ) ) Thus this nakshtara is associated with athletes,army,police ,medicine surgery chemists courageous people and transportation . The Asvini Kumaras are the sons of the Sungod Vivasvan .Because of this pastime of instruction of the spiritual science through the horse's head ( possibly a forefather of Mr.Ed ) this nakshatra gives the exaltation place of the Sun representing the Atma or self . This nakshata may be associate with quickness but sometimes haste makes waste and this nakshatra may be associated with stuttering (i have one case like this in my files) or trying to get words out too fast . One of the perciuliarities of this nakshatra is extreme generosity/extravagance . I have one case in my files of somebody who combines the idea of surgery with extravagance . This man had had two divorces and numerous proposals turned down .He wore glasses ,was bald ,scrawny had a bad out of shape back and was in general completely ugly . After two divorces he spent his last 5 grand getting his nose made smaller .When he came out of surgery he had two black eyes and a plaster cast over his nose . I was shocked and thought he had been beaten up .He explained that he always disliked his nose thinking it was too big . With all his other shortcomings I'd in fact never noticed his nose .He looked like this for two months and all the wits would tell him that next time he wanted to get beaten up the'd do it for half the price : -) After a year the nose grew back to practically the same length . So this nakshata combined with weaknesses to the 3rd(impulses) or 11th (desires) can make one extremely extravagant .The frugal should be wary if considering marriage or sharing finances in a partnership Merry Xmas and a Happy new Year to all List members Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196757) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196758 (98 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:57 (07:57 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6953] Fw: [GJ] Bharani --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, January 19, 2002 1:56 AM Re: [GJ] Bharani Dear Nicholas As I was booting up I was about to ask that we continue. I guess we were on the same wave. I've found something fascinating in clients with Bharani strong. It appears in the charts of a couple of midwives, and it the Moon placement for a man who is an OB GYN. One young woman with here Sun and I believe Moon there said she was not at all in that line of work, but she had gone through the sometimes painful process of donating her eggs to an infertile couple! The Man who is the OB GYN is married to a woman whose Moon is also there. She has kept her maiden name and is a therapist. They go to ongoing counseling to work together and deal with frustration and stress. Yama is the deity. Yama was the first mortal and so the first to die. FOr this he was given a place in the heavens and often acts as a liaison between man and death. These natives are natural leaders. I guess that when you are born knowing that you must be the first you have a tough time giving it up. They like to birth something, even if it is not children. They like to get their hands into the creative process. I was recently told that the planet associated with each nakshatra does not really give any quality to it, but is simply there to facilitate the Vim. Dasha system. I would like to hear others' opinions on that. Ernst, Robert Koch, Nataraba, Wendy, Marcia ANYONE please offer your opinion on this. I'm really torn. I can see Bharani as a face of Venus, although I really cannot see Venus as a Red-faced yellow-eyed man. If anyone can help me make sense of that you deserve a huge accolade. thank you all for this journey c - Nicholas gjlist Friday, January 18, 2002 3:04 AM [GJ] Bharani Dear Cynthia and list members Here is my take on Bharani which by my calculation will be the 11th nakshtra we have covered (17 to go) Someone born under this nakshatra is bound to breathe life into a place as their characteristics are not conducive to a quiet life . Symbolised by the vulva and presided over by Yama ,God of death ,this duality of life and death makes for a tremendous melodrama played out in their lives . A Bharani born is not afraid of new undertakings and posesses tremendous courage .They will struggle with adversity but achieve breakthroughs .The fire burns within . As a result they may not pace themselves and can burn out . These people are extremely forthright in expressing their opinions and do not care for the feelings of others . For this reason there may be large numbers of people inimical to them .Subordination is equal to death and they will fight with dear ones over small matters . They have volatile tempers .One person I knew who was both Bharani Moon and Lagna posessed a happy go lucky disposition but landed so many assault charges that he had to do an anger management course .Despite that if one apologises to them sincerely they are genuinely forgiving . They do not relish advice from others and will act according to their own sweet will .Despite so many Martian traits they are fond of mirth and like to spread rumours .Usually they are successful in their undertakings . In the end they are either loved for the excitement they generate or loathed for their many vices . So if life is getting dull get some Bharanis into it . Best Wishes Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196758) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196759 (82 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:57 (07:57 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6954] Fw: [GJ] Overview --------------------------- - natabara GJlist Monday, February 04, 2002 9:39 AM [GJ] Overview Only those in tune understood the message. The naksatras are very important to understand a mental pattern. There are 27 naksatras divided into 3 groups of 9 naksatras each. That means that there are 3 naksatras ruled by one planet. Your natal naksatra is called Janma or birth naksatra. It is the 1st naksatra and it has the seeds of evrything in our life. Therefore, good and bad are incorporated within janma. Within janma we plan, we recieve messages from the external and the inner world and we think. Once a month, the moon comes into our janma naksatra and triggers a new beginning in us. We become so absort into thinking that we can become espaced out to the point of becoming prone to accidents, due mainly to our no attention. Therefore janma days, or during those days when the moon is in our janma naksatra , it can be positive or negative, depending in our ability to cope with all the energies running wild. In this way, janma naksatra days are bad but the less bad of all the other 4 bad naksatras. When the moon is in naksatras 1,5,7 and 3, the vibrations are negative in increasing proportion. Naksatras 1 are the mildest in intensity and the 3rd are the more bad. The rest of the naksatras are positive. Naksatras 2,4,6,8 and 9 are good in increasing proportion. The 2nd naksatras are good although mild and the 9th is very good. The owners of bad naksatras are bad during their main period of planets. The planets in bad naksatras are bad during their buktis. And during the antaras, the planets have to be studied according to both, their ownership and their location. Of all the naksatras, the owner of the 3rd is more hard during his main dasa. And planets in the 3rd naksatras are the most bad, in general. of course, we have to balance the rest of the reading, like houses from ascendant, from the moon, karakahood, yogas, aspects, etc. of the 9 planets and your lagna, you have lagna and jupiter in the 5th naksatra; sun, mercury and Rahu in the 7th, the moon obviously is in the janma naksatra but Mars is in the 3rd naksatra. Also at present you are in the saturn dasa and saturn is the owner of the 3rd naksatra. On 18 dec 2002, you will enter saturn dasa chidra. The best advice for that is to get into automatic, save energies, have a break, write yout memoirs, write, read, walk or have some hollidays. Save your energies because it is going to be like trying to swim against the tide. get out of the river and wait for the tide to come down before you swim. The next mercury dasa is not too bad because mercury is the owner of naksatra 4th and its bukti is not going to be as bad as it is because mercury is located in the 7th naksatra. Mercury dasa indicates a new beginning when your energies will be back again and you are likely to become more optimistic because new opportunities will appear on your horizon. Best wishes natabara Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196759) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196760 (54 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:58 (07:58 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6955] Fw: [GJ] Satabhisa --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Sunday, February 03, 2002 6:24 PM [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Cynthia,Denise and List members Here are my thoughts on Satabhisa Found in the air sign of Saturn and being a Rahu nakshatra it's rather appropriate that these people are often found to be rather airy . Thus they often make good philosophers,researchers ,scientists or astrologers as they are very keen to understand the truth of a matter . At the same time they may perform routine jobs in quite a thoughtless way . Sometimes symbolised by two concentric circles this person may posess a tight inner world whilst moving inwide circles of friends . The tight inner world is sometimes a consequence of being abused as a child and therefore carrying a dark secret . The tight inner world also manifests as a keen desire to cover their motives ..It is no surprise that this nakshatra has been dubbed the veiling star . This nakshatra is associated with obstructions and natives born under this nakshtra may have difficulty finishing projects although they are full of enthusiasm to start something new . They are good at solving puzzles and mysteries and they like doing it so they could also succeed as a detective ..Their communication can have a hard edge and they need to be careful in this regard as they can alienate others with it especially as they have another tendency in communication to blurt things out .I've seen perfectly nice persons born under this nakshtra wreck relationships through poor communication . One native I know well I cannot believe how intensely many people hate him . Being ruled by Varuna this nakshatra can also be associated with intoxication although in Satabish's case this seems to be more as a means of consciousness alteration than gratification .One friend and neighbour died from drug use . I am pretty sure he had been clean for about ten years and this usage was no doubt brought on by the stress he was under . All in all this is not an easy nakshatra to be influenced by but through deep churning it often produces profound insight (i.e Nietche) Best Wishes Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196760) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196761 (96 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:58 (07:58 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6956] Fw: [GJ] Satabhisa --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Monday, February 04, 2002 6:33 AM Re: [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Nicholas I have noticed that when Shat. is strong and particularly when the Moon is here, there is extreme mental activity. I joke with my clients that since the symbol is a 1000 petaled lotus that they want to look under every petal. These folks are very smart but the mind runs amuck creating very stress-induced health problems. They can focus on a goal and I have seen them make it happen. But yes, they are quick to dive in. I've also seen them very interested in medicine one woman is a Dr. but also energy healing and alternative care. They don't necessarily want to learn everything, just what is interesting to them at the time. The real problem comes from the mind which is also their greatest asset. Imagine that the brain is a multi-processor. The enter in the request to find out how to solve a problem, hit enter and off it goes until the problem is solved. Unfortunately, the same goes for dark thoughts. The computer goes deep to find all the data the supports the notion that things are awful. I've seen chewed nails, nervous twitches and inability to sit still without thinking about other things. I think that this is what is at the bottom of the statement that their illnesses require a 100 healers to solve. The bottom is the mind's perceptions or rather the difficulty to monitor where the mind goes. Sure, we all do this to some extent. But just as Shat. is extremely capable at problem solving, they are extremely capable as creating problems for themselves with their thoughts. - Nicholas gjlist Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:24 AM [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Cynthia,Denise and List members Here are my thoughts on Satabhisa Found in the air sign of Saturn and being a Rahu nakshatra it's rather appropriate that these people are often found to be rather airy . Thus they often make good philosophers,researchers ,scientists or astrologers as they are very keen to understand the truth of a matter . At the same time they may perform routine jobs in quite a thoughtless way . Sometimes symbolised by two concentric circles this person may posess a tight inner world whilst moving inwide circles of friends . The tight inner world is sometimes a consequence of being abused as a child and therefore carrying a dark secret . The tight inner world also manifests as a keen desire to cover their motives ..It is no surprise that this nakshatra has been dubbed the veiling star . This nakshatra is associated with obstructions and natives born under this nakshtra may have difficulty finishing projects although they are full of enthusiasm to start something new . They are good at solving puzzles and mysteries and they like doing it so they could also succeed as a detective ..Their communication can have a hard edge and they need to be careful in this regard as they can alienate others with it especially as they have another tendency in communication to blurt things out .I've seen perfectly nice persons born under this nakshtra wreck relationships through poor communication . One native I know well I cannot believe how intensely many people hate him . Being ruled by Varuna this nakshatra can also be associated with intoxication although in Satabish's case this seems to be more as a means of consciousness alteration than gratification .One friend and neighbour died from drug use . I am pretty sure he had been clean for about ten years and this usage was no doubt brought on by the stress he was under . All in all this is not an easy nakshatra to be influenced by but through deep churning it often produces profound insight (i.e Nietche) Best Wishes Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196761) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196774 (188 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:58 (07:58 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6962] Fw: [GJ] Satabhisa --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Monday, February 04, 2002 12:47 PM Re: [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Nicholas I will agree with you. What do you think about the concept that the mind is constantly churning or working? I know a woman who works as a very talented channel. BTW she also has Magha and Ashlesha strong. Anyway, her energy is infectious. She is literally capable of awakening at some ungodly hour and immediately being "on!" I did some public talks with her in years back, and talk radio as well, the energy is amazing. IT is also totally unfiltered. For example, if you ask me a question I'll process it through my feeling body and try to select words that are accessible to you. I won't blurt out your lover has cancer as if making a pronouncement, rather I might suggest that you encourage your lover to have a physical. I don't trust intuitive info. It might be real or it might be symbolic or it might be indicative of what is to come. She never had that problem and it was more than a little daunting for me. BTW, she has been very accurate at times. This is merely to illustrate the brains uncanny ability to take something and run with it. In the case of your friends, it sounds as if their central nervous systems couldn't handle it. If they were like this woman, she could go on little sleep. Perhaps that sort of burnout took over. In response to the market. I won't say that it will steadily rise, although Taurus is pretty good at making money. Rather, I will go on record as saying it will not crash, even with the heavy stellium. Taurus us just too stabile and too keenly associated with wealth. Don't forget that Venus will be there along with Mars from April 20th until the 16th or so. I think that will keep spending moving. Think about Venus with Rahu and Mars and that is a pretty indulgent picture. By the time Mars passes Saturn, Venus catches up with him and Rahu is waiting in restless Mrigashira. Mrigashira is another mentally restless nak. Don't forget that Daksha became a stag and chased Rohini into Mriga. There, he was shot with an arrow and his "head" cut off. I see this as symbolic that he had lost his mind in desire. Anyway, we will see. There are very conservative market gurus suggesting that people begin to get back in. Then again, in 1934 mars, Saturn, Rahu and Pluto were all linked together and the US began a massive governmentally supported rebuilding and jobs campaign. What we have to show for it are public parks, roads, damns and stadiums. The US began assembling into the nation we are now. I see it as a time for national participation in similar rebuilding (Saturn with Pluto) and that would not hurt the market, nor would it cause it to skyrocket. Let's not forget that Jupiter moves into exaltation in July. I like to look at what has been and see what opportunities may lie ahead. Uranus in AQ is very good for new technology but then again, so is a war economy. What happened to Andrew? I assumed that he was busy with his niece. cynthia - Nicholas gjlist Sunday, February 03, 2002 5:54 PM [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Cynthia I love your writing . You could be the person who makes jyotish understandable to Joe Average (as Andrew Lynne said before sadly he stopped posting) . Aside from the friend who OD ed I have two other Satabhisa friends who have had mental breakdowns .In one case the friend took on 3 new projects in a week .Yes he did not even finish that week .I have yet another friend born under this nakshatra who goes completely gah gah under pressure .That combination of a Saturn sign with Rahu nakshatra is heavy duty . Best Wishes Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Monday, February 04, 2002 6:33 AM Re: [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Nicholas I have noticed that when Shat. is strong and particularly when the Moon is here, there is extreme mental activity. I joke with my clients that since the symbol is a 1000 petaled lotus that they want to look under every petal. These folks are very smart but the mind runs amuck creating very stress-induced health problems. They can focus on a goal and I have seen them make it happen. But yes, they are quick to dive in. I've also seen them very interested in medicine one woman is a Dr. but also energy healing and alternative care. They don't necessarily want to learn everything, just what is interesting to them at the time. The real problem comes from the mind which is also their greatest asset. Imagine that the brain is a multi-processor. The enter in the request to find out how to solve a problem, hit enter and off it goes until the problem is solved. Unfortunately, the same goes for dark thoughts. The computer goes deep to find all the data the supports the notion that things are awful. I've seen chewed nails, nervous twitches and inability to sit still without thinking about other things. I think that this is what is at the bottom of the statement that their illnesses require a 100 healers to solve. The bottom is the mind's perceptions or rather the difficulty to monitor where the mind goes. Sure, we all do this to some extent. But just as Shat. is extremely capable at problem solving, they are extremely capable as creating problems for themselves with their thoughts. - Nicholas gjlist Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:24 AM [GJ] Satabhisa Dear Cynthia,Denise and List members Here are my thoughts on Satabhisa Found in the air sign of Saturn and being a Rahu nakshatra it's rather appropriate that these people are often found to be rather airy . Thus they often make good philosophers,researchers ,scientists or astrologers as they are very keen to understand the truth of a matter . At the same time they may perform routine jobs in quite a thoughtless way . Sometimes symbolised by two concentric circles this person may posess a tight inner world whilst moving inwide circles of friends . The tight inner world is sometimes a consequence of being abused as a child and therefore carrying a dark secret . The tight inner world also manifests as a keen desire to cover their motives .It is no surprise that this nakshatra has been dubbed the veiling star .. This nakshatra is associated with obstructions and natives born under this nakshtra may have difficulty finishing projects although they are full of enthusiasm to start something new . They are good at solving puzzles and mysteries and they like doing it so they could also succeed as a detective ..Their communication can have a hard edge and they need to be careful in this regard as they can alienate others with it especially as they have another tendency in communication to blurt things out .I've seen perfectly nice persons born under this nakshtra wreck relationships through poor communication . One native I know well I cannot believe how intensely many people hate him . Being ruled by Varuna this nakshatra can also be associated with intoxication although in Satabish's case this seems to be more as a means of consciousness alteration than gratification .One friend and neighbour died from drug use . I am pretty sure he had been clean for about ten years and this usage was no doubt brought on by the stress he was under . All in all this is not an easy nakshatra to be influenced by but through deep churning it often produces profound insight (i.e Nietche) Best Wishes Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196774) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196770 (41 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:59 (07:59 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6958] Fw: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras --------------------------- - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Cc: Jyotish Vidya Wednesday, January 02, 2002 3:40 PM [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Due to the overwhelming interest in Nakshatras it may be relevant to point out that (as Moon governs mind, and as all springs from mind), the nakshatra of Moon has an overriding influence on the horoscope. Apart from lagna, AtmaKaraka and (to a lesser degree) Sun, the nakshatras of other planets impact (personally) on those for which they are karakas. For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature. This is why, in classic texts, you will find the description of Moon in each nakshatra emphasised...little or no importance is given (for other planets) regarding the effect of nakshatra placement in relation to the native's own innate nature, character etc... Best Wishes, Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer http://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/ JyotishVidya wenvas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196770) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196771 (65 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 20:59 (07:59 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6959] Fw: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras --------------------------- - "Chris Martinez" <poporion <gjlist> Wednesday, January 02, 2002 5:50 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras > Doing Sports Astrology, I can tell you the Nakshatras are ALL about > predicting events.It seems that the Moons Nakshatra ruler reflects the day > more than say, the Planetary Ruler of the day(wed=me,thur=ju,etc.) The Mars > Ruled Nakshatras and Rahu's and Ketu's Nakshatras are "Nice and Chaotic" in > the sports world.Ketu's Nakshatras bring in Big underdogs( the bigger the > dog the better it seems) > - > <readgreyer > <gjlist> > Tuesday, January 01, 2002 9:12 PM > Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras > > > > Hello, > > > > Just started this list. I am somewhat familiar with the Nakshatras. But, > is > > there information on the predictive side of the Nakshatras rather than > > character analysis? James Braha states in his latest book that he > believes > > (but has no proof) the system of Nakshatras was originally about > predicting > > events, rather than character analysis, but such information has been lost > > over time. What do you all think? > > > > Read Greyer > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > (Text PAMHO:5196771) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196772 (51 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:00 (08:00 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6960] Fw: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras --------------------------- - Wendy Vasicek gjlist Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:56 PM Re: [GJ] Use and importance of Nakshatras Cynthia Wrote: >>>It simply never dawned on me NOT to use the naks. of each planet.<<< Dear Cynthia, I think there may be some misunderstanding regarding my post on nakshatras. I never meant to imply that they not be used to understand (more fully) all of the planets...it was just to do with the context in which they're used. You said: >>>Still, a Venus in Jyeshta or Utar Ashada can reveal why relationships are so difficult in a chart that appears to have strong relationship potential.<<< This is virtually what I said in my earlier post: >>>For instance, The nakshatra of Mars will impact upon the nature of younger siblings (or those belonging to Mars' houses) more than on our own innate nature. The nakshatra of Jupiter will impact more upon the nature of Guru, etc. (and those belonging to Jupiter's houses) than on our own innate nature.<<< So naturally the character (added flavour or influence) Venus has developed, due to the nakshatra he finds himself in, will impact on relationships...Venus governs spouse and all those we have an intimate relationship with...so that Venus nakshatra impacts more upon the significations of Venus than on our own innate nature and (most importantly) on our mind. Best Wishes, Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer http://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/ JyotishVidya wenvas ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196772) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196773 (131 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:00 (08:00 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6961] Fw: [GJ] Uttarasadha Repeated --------------------------- Re: [GJ] An Interesting case --Wendy - cynthia novak gjlist Monday, January 14, 2002 3:37 AM Re: [GJ] Uttarasadha Repeated Dear Nicholas Thank you for doing this for me. BTW, this is my Moon's nakshatra and I have encountered a number of clients with this placement for moon , Sun or toher significant planet in their charts. Literally the Visvadevas means "all gods" as taken from a wonderful reference book that is a great deal at $15. The Encyclopedia of Eastern Philosophy and Religion a BArnes and Noble publication. I think that they republish older books that are very well done. Anyway, the point here is that the natives have again and again the desire to find their "tribe" and fit in only to discover that they see the world in a more universal "all gods" manner. One man came to me while working at the Baptist seminary. He was trained as a minister and I wanted to be sure that he really wanted an astrology session. It turned out he was in a great deal of pain. He could not deny the joy he got from his religious work, but it was too limiting because he was also gay. Another man married and involved in religious music had this prominent and included Venus. He works in NY doing church music for a large Catholic church, a Lutheran church and Jewish Temple. I spoke about the desire for all gods in this case all music and he confided that he had recently become enamored with the music of Pakistan from a cab driver! It is the only nak without an animal counterpart and so in many ways has a different attitude about love than others. I have so many clients searching for the powerful romanticized soul mate and I sit and talk with them to try to understand this concept of bumping into the one person who will make you whole. I really don't get it and struggle to understand why anyone would actually believe this. This may be part of the nakshatra quality because over and over again I see these natives be sust]picious about marriage and what it actually means "to have and to hold until death do you part." BTW, I see this with Shravana also. I would love to know more about the 28th nakshatra because these tendencies seem to be even more obvious in this group. c - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, January 12, 2002 8:59 PM [GJ] Uttarasadha Repeated Dear Cynthia Here is a rerun on Uttarasadaha This nakshatra is ruled by the ten Visvadevas sons of the Demigod Dharma and said to represent one virtue each .The result is that natives born under this nakshatra may posess many virtues .They are sincere people who try to be conciliators or peace makers .They are devoted to their spouse and very loyal and kind to their friends and so their friendship is durable .They are excellent organisers and have the ability to take a project from start to completion. This nakshatra is symbolised by the elephant tusk which is sharp and therefore associated with the idea of penetration .Hence natives of this nakshatra can posess a penetrating intelligence or some special knowledge . One concern with this nakshatra is that the native may take too much on and deplete his/her resources either physically,mentally or financially ----- Original Message ----- cynthia novak gjlist Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:21 AM Re: [GJ] Rahu/Ketu returns Dear Nicholas I missed Utar Ashada. I was out of town for 6 days and the list was really active! If you have the Utar Ashada post handy, would you forward it to me? I am most interested in anything about Abijit (sp?) I'm currently having the Rahu to Ketu or flipped return. It has been pretty peaceful. I often sens in clients that it is a time of coming together. There is an opportunity for all the chakras to work together. Still, I'll admit after the anxiety-prone Ketu transit over my moon I was a little apprehensive. But, like you, this transit has been very gentle. I'm also still curious about any thoughts about the group of planets and Rahu in Mrigashira in May. A dear friend and pro. Vedic astrologer is convinced that there will be chemical warfare and poisoning of the water supply in May. I cant really be objective because this group is my varshaphal and I was rather looking forward to it with all the planets by transit in my 5th <grins>. Still she makes some sound astrological points. But here comes another question for those out there to ponder. Is she objective? That groups of planets will fall in her 12th. Is she picking up some impending doom from her own chart i.e. perceptions? Am I limited by my own expectations? Is an astrologer ever detached enough to be totally unbiased??? Thank you all for indulging me. I'm exhausted today. I did free little readings for 4 hours today at the Dallas Convention CEnter. Fortunately for me most of the folks standing in line had planets in Gemini Libra Sag. or Aquarius. Happy trails to you c Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5196773) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196776 (97 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:00 (08:00 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6963] Fw: Hasta --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Friday, January 25, 2002 6:59 PM Hasta > gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > Dear Nicholas > > > Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I mean. > > What do you know about Rohini? > > Don't be shy, this is fun. > > > BTW, I've found some really interesting things about Hasta. One man > with > this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he would literally > juggle to > get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong with clients in > the > computer industry. They figured out that this work would give them a > good > living and then balanced it with doing things that were fun on the > outside. > It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much the dreamer or > romantic > that others are. One of the difficulties comes in spending. When > you work > hard at a job that you don't really love, you might balance it by > spending > big...just another observation. I've found this one very good as math, > statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick comes in > balancing. > <grins> > > I've heard it called a thief, but haven't encountered that in my > cleints. > Some might have felt like a thief in the large salaries, but I have > not > found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. What have you > found. > > c > > > > > - > Nicholas <costa@A...> > <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and > difficult > > > side. > > > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a > dissenting > > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others > otherwise > > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some > have > > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated > with > > opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods > assigned > the > > task of destruction . > > > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196776) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196777 (79 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:01 (08:01 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6964] Fw: Hasta response to Sravana --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Friday, January 25, 2002 6:48 PM Fwd: Hasta response to Sravana > gjlist, "Nicholas" <costa@A...> wrote: > Dear Cynthia > In your postings you have mentioned the literal symbolism assocaited > with > nakshatras .You mentioned one Hasta eccentric who used to juggle > between > times .I thought I'd get my revenge here by sharing a case in my > files in > which Sravana is the prominent nakshatra . > > Now those who know and love the nakshatas would know that sravana > means > hearing and sometimes it's symbol is the ear (other times it is the > trident) > .My case concerns a friend born in Germany but living in Australia > who was > Scorpio rising (Anuradha Nakshatra ) and had Moon in the 3rd in > Sravana .To > add to the scene Rahu was less than 3 degrees from the Moon although > in > Uttarasadha Nakshatra .Now the 3rd house is associated with the left > ear and > therefore associated with hearing so this combination puts Sravana in > the > house assocaited with hearing . > > Now my friend was not a musician nor did he listen that much too > music but > he was completely obsessed with sound systems .He would try every hifi > product on the market for sound quality .He would get back from work > hop on > my computer and for hours visit all the internet sites dedicated to > sound > systems .Then he would talk a monologue to me (who doesn't have the > slightest interest in the subject) about the pros and cons of > different > systems and tell me to head down to the shop and check out some system > because "it has just the best sound ". He would even personally order > systems from overseas . I don't think in over a year of his > monologues that > he realised that I had not understood a word of what he was going on > about . > > After a year or two being Anuradha nakshatra he moved to another > city . > > I agree that the literalness of the nakshatras is uncanny > > Happy hearing > Nicholas > PS Sravana rising makes one a good listener and Mercury in Rohini > will make > for a sweet speaker so you have got both ends of the communication > exchange > nicely covered . This is excellent for counselling work which is what > astrology is to some extent .No wonder you've cracked it as a > professional > astrologer . > > > > > I've copied the stories of Rohini that have been shared and hungry > for > more > > dialogue. > > > > c > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196777) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196779 (449 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:01 (08:01 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6965] Fw: Pushya --------------------------- - "Nicholas" <jyotish108 "Nicholas Francis" <jyotish108 Friday, January 25, 2002 8:16 PM Pushya > > - > "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 > <jyotish108 > Friday, January 25, 2002 8:10 PM > Fwd: Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > gjlist, "Nicholas" <costa@A...> wrote: > > Dear Cynthia > > Good questions you raise . The classics do not seem to have much to > > say > > about the nakshatras so I do not know where the qualities of the > > nakshatras > > are described in the vast body of jyotish . The more common and > > prelific > > writers do not make use of them in their delineations but as HDF says > > there > > is a huge difference between Pushya and Aslesha natives . Their > > underuse > > could also be a factor in their corruption along with their > > antiquity . > > There is also the mysterious Abhijit . > > Well you've certainly got a discussion going . > > Best wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > Nicholas > > > > > > I struggled with this for quite a while. In fact, I thought the > > naks were > > > gibberish. > > > > > > Pushya, to my mind, bringsup the image of a kitten nursing. He > > pushes > > hard > > > again and again at the mother to receive the milk. If you have the > > > abundance of Jupiter and the tenacity of Saturn you can really get > > something > > > going. Anyway, that is how I reconcile it in my mind. I also > > think that > > > the naks. can stand alone. > > > > > > They are the most ancient form of Vedic Astrology that I have > > found, and > > so > > > the most likely to be corrupted. > > > > > > I believe that they come from the Indus Valley before the (I'm > > really > > going > > > to get in trouble here) dominance of patriarchy was so strong. The > > latter > > > could have something to do with what appears to be the > > incongruities. > > > > > > In my studies I;ve searched various books that are NOT written by > > > astrologers. One text on the art of ancient India suggests that a > > mother > > > goddess was the 1st deity to appear within the lotus and was later > > knocked > > > out and replaced. So, you see, we are at a loss to uncover what the > > origins > > > were, only to learn from history that they stem from a very feminine > > spirit. > > > Why, then, I ask myself are virtually all of them given a male > > deity? > > > Perhaps it has something to do with the transition of cultural > > dominance > > > from feminine to masculine. Not being angry or fanatical here, just > > sharing > > > the journey that these often literal images have taken me. The > > myths are > > > very revealing as well. Do you know any for Hasta???? > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > > - > > > Nicholas <costa@A...> > > > <gjlist> > > > Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:16 AM > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > Dear List Members > > > > I love the Nakshatras in terms of the deep psychological > > insights .Also > > > they > > > > obviously time the mahadasha system . I do have trouble though > > with the > > > > idea that planets own nakshatras considering that the > > correspondence we > > > see > > > > is only for Vimshottari and is different in other dasha systems > > and what > > > > connection does the most opulent,fruitful nakshatra Pushya have > > with > > > Saturn > > > > anyway (and so on with the other nakshtrasa) . > > > > > > > > In my case it takes too much intellectual jugglery to believe > > that the > > > > planets own nakshatras the way the way they own signs . > > > > Therefore the idea that say during Venus dasha then if Venus is > > in the > > > Sun's > > > > nakshatra then the Sun's energies are more activated than normal > > I have > > > > found very small correspondence at best .This was after quite an > > > exhaustive > > > > study . > > > > An alternative understanding is that during Venus dashas the > > planets in > > > > Venus nakshatras are more activated than usual . I have not done > > so much > > > > work on this . > > > > I'd be interested in others opinions on these points .I know some > > writers > > > > use them frequently in this way but what about the rest . > > > > Best Wishes > > > > Nicholas > > > > - > > > > "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill@i...> > > > > <gjlist>; <gjlist> > > > > Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:51 AM > > > > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > > > > > I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although > > recently > > I > > > > > have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's > > nakshatra > > > to > > > > > add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to > > go in > > the > > > > > intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, > > enough to > > > keep > > > > > using it. > > > > > > > > > > But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is > > the > > > > > lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another > > dimension -- > > > > > yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the > > houses > > they > > > > > ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a > > Mars > > > dasha > > > > > to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it > > is in > > the > > > > > chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the > > chart, > > > > > that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the > > > > influences > > > > > on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't > > necessarily > > > > > that strong. > > > > > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > > At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > > > > > >Dear Nicholas > > > > > >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > > > > > > > > > > > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the > > ability > > to > > > > > >focus in on something and bring it to success. > > > > > > > > > > > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is > > as if > > > the > > > > > >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow > > even when > > > > faced > > > > > >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in > > successful > > > > > >people of a variety of careers. > > > > > > > > > > > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked > > about > > young > > > > > >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the > > guitar. > > > > Here > > > > > >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent > > for > > it, > > > > but > > > > > >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is > > > > paraphrased > > > > > >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the > > records > > his > > > > > >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His > > tenacity > > > > > >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge > > success. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if > > they are > > > the > > > > > >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. > > I use > > > them > > > > > >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the > > simple > > > question > > > > > >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what > > makes the > > > > chart > > > > > >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his > > potential. > > > > > > > > > > > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt > > alone > > in > > > > this > > > > > >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the > > symbolism > > > > > >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most > > ancient > > form > > > of > > > > > >insight. > > > > > > > > > > > >I hope that others will jump in as well > > > > > > > > > > > >c > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > >Nicholas <costa@A...> > > > > > ><gjlist> > > > > > >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM > > > > > >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Cynthia > > > > > >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying > > psychological > > > > > >profiles > > > > > >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for > > mind I > > > think > > > > > >this > > > > > >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic > > astrology . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra > > because > > > > Libra > > > > > >is > > > > > >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . > > However > > > > > >within > > > > > >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy > > reserved > > > > > >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as > > generous and > > > this > > > > > >fits > > > > > >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the > > > situation > > > > of > > > > > >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair > > because > > > > > >everyone > > > > > >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a > > person > > who > > > > puts > > > > > >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other > > Beatles > > > . > > > > So > > > > > >in > > > > > >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character > > can be > > > > > >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Thats a starter > > > > > >> Nicholas > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> - > > > > > >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> > > > > > >> <gjlist> > > > > > >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > > > > > >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Dear All > > > > > >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? > > Would > > > you > > > > > >mind > > > > > >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to > > start? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing > > as > > they > > > > did > > > > > >at > > > > > >> > one time to me? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just > > form > > > > prashna? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > How do you use them? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort > > of > > > weights > > > > and > > > > > >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of > > masculine and > > > > > >feminine? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the > > lunar > > > > mansion > > > > > >or > > > > > >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > c > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > www.cynthianovak.com > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > >> > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > >> : gjlist-@e... > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > >: gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist-@e... > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > > > > > (Text PAMHO:5196779) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196781 (55 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:01 (08:01 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6966] Fw: Re: [GJ] Re: Rohini --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Monday, January 21, 2002 10:51 AM Fwd: Re: [GJ] Re: Rohini > gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > Dear Renee > > Of course I could tell who you were. Glad to see you here. > > Regarding a few of your comments. One of the Rohini stories is about > Chandra, the Moon who married all 27 sisters. He was so taken with > Rohini > that he lingered in her mansion. The other sisters were angry and > turned to > their father Daksha who turned to (can't remember....help). Anyway, > the > Moon was made very ill. Eventually they saw what a calamity this was > causing in the heavens so Chandra now must wax and wane. He cannot > linger > in Rohini no matter how much he wants to. > > So, the spouse on Defcon is rather like Chandra, in order to get on > with > life you have to trust and keep going. > > What were you mother's primary nakshatras? This I would love to know. > There are some that are pretty mercenery. > > Regarding the clothing...hey, Rohini just radiates "it" whatever "it" > may be > and doesn't need to dress sexy. The rest of us need all the help we > can get > <big grins>. > > I've seen several Rohini Moons who have round, full-Moon faces that > seem to > glow with great skin. One, the one who didn't want to give up the > presents, > was an aesthetician. What a marketing ploy, come for a facial and > you'll > glow like me! > > Anyway, glad to see you here. We are nearly done with the house > repairs, > I've just got one bathroom and some baseboards left to paint. What > on Earth > will I do with that energy next?!? > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196781) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196783 (105 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:02 (08:02 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6967] Fw: Re: Rohini --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Monday, January 21, 2002 10:52 AM Fwd: Re: Rohini > gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > > > > Dear Cynthia > > Could you send us your full details and your insights on Rohini > > Nicholas > > That might be pretty long. Here are some of the most interesting > things > that have come to light in my clients. > > I started with the notion that Rohini was the most wonderful > placement for > the Moon. You know, the stuff that the books say. There is another > part to > the myth, as you likely know. > > The gods hid Rohini in the heavens in Mrigashira to protect her from > her > father's desire. There is an incest theme that runs through this > placement. > As an astrologer I usually just tell the story and suggest that it > probably > doesn't really apply to the client, only to see many become wide eyed > and > reveal tale after tale. It is not just the Moon placement either. > One > woman is a twin, Rohini and Venus, I believe on the Lagna. Both were > molested by their father. Another had Venus in Rohini in the 12th. > Molested by a cousin and later by her dentist while under anesthesia. > > A couple had a compatibility session. She with Sun in Rohini in the > 10th. > He had strong placements in Jyeshta (that's another story). I asked > him if > he could deal with the fact that she was and will always be > attractive to > other men. He was shocked. He was certain that she was forever > leading > them on. She felt that men had always approached her and she was just > being > friendly. When he came face-to-face that this would be part of their > lives > forever it was a component for their breakup. I never tell anyone > whom they > should be with, only try to uncover the challenges and let them > decide. > > One Rohini Moon woman was in a 27 year marriage that was very > difficult. > LAter she came to realize the power of her attractiveness and married > very > affluent men. The most recent in her late 70's. One young woman was > about > to marry. One of her great difficulties in making the decision was > that she > would, upon taking those vows, forever relinquish the gifts from > older men > that had been a part of her history. > > Anyway, the difficulty of this placement is that the person is either > very > aware of the power of attraction over the opposite sex (it works for > men > too, but most of my experience has been with women) or feel totally > invisible as a person. It is as if the myth of being hidden in the > heavens > is forever a part of them. THey long to be "seen" for who they > really are > rather than what their shakti can bring to another. This even > manifests in > careers where they long to stand out but fear that in so doing they > will > somehow be attacked. BTW, this has been the case for many with the > transiting Saturn and Pluto dance. When I see Rohini very strong I > can > spend most of the session talking about the fear and desire to be > seen for > who they are. > > BTW, I have Mercury in Rohini. I did some talk radio and was told > over and > over again how compelling my voice was. Clients have said they call > just > to hear my answering message and that helps them feel safe or better > about > themselves. Oh, I should offer, that I have Shravana on the ASC and > finally > have a career where I am paid to do what I do all the time anyway: > listen. > grins. > > c > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196783) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196784 (72 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:02 (08:02 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6968] Fw: Rohini to Mrgasira --------------------------- - "yadusrestha" <jyotish108 <jyotish108 Friday, January 25, 2002 6:52 PM Fwd: Rohini to Mrgasira > gjlist, "Nicholas" <costa@A...> wrote: > Dear Cynthia > This is interesting because Mrgashira is the next nakshatra symbolise > by the > deer .The deer is a timid creature who has a sharp sense of hearing > and > therefore is skilled at hiding . The hunter would blow a sweet tune > on his > horn and in this way the deer will give up it's timidity to search > after > that sound . In this way the deer could be killed by the hunter . So > these > stories illustrate the themes of searching and hiding associated with > Mrgasira . Taken to an extreme point if there is a strong 6th house > element(enemies) combined with Mrgasira the native may suffer from > paranoia > . > > At the end of Sri Krishna's life the Yadu dynasty wiped themselves > out in a > fratricidal war .Then Krishna appeared to be killed by a deer hunter > (who > was actually Bhrigu Muni) by being shot through the heel by an > arrow . I say > appeared because there are 2 problems with this story firstly usually > being > shot through the heel by an arrow is not enough to kill someone (I > also > wonder if this is the origin of the Achilles heel idea) and secondly > no deer > hunter would go looking for a deer on a battlefield . So this > particular > history is therefore a part of Krishna's play , he merely appears to > be > killed . > > As George Harrison once sung > Jaya Sri Krishna > Nicholas > > > > > > The gods hid Rohini in the heavens in Mrigashira to protect her > from her > > father's desire. There is an incest theme that runs through this > placement. > > As an astrologer I usually just tell the story and suggest that it > probably > > doesn't really apply to the client, only to see many become wide > eyed and > > reveal tale after tale. It is not just the Moon placement either. > One > > woman is a twin, Rohini and Venus, I believe on the Lagna. Both > were > > molested by their father. Another had Venus in Rohini in the 12th. > > Molested by a cousin and later by her dentist while under > anesthesia. > > > > > > > --- End forwarded message --- > > > (Text PAMHO:5196784) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196785 (60 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:02 (08:02 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6969] Fw: Uttara Phalguna --------------------------- - Nicholas venerablebede Monday, January 21, 2002 10:40 AM Uttara Phalguna Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines | Delete Message 8974 of 9668 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> Sun Dec 30, 2001 12:55 pm Uttara P Messages Messages Help Reply | Forward | View Source | Unwrap Lines | Delete Message 8974 of 9668 | Previous | Next [ Up Thread ] Message Index Msg # "Nicholas" <jyotish108@h...> Sun Dec 30, 2001 12:55 pm halguna Dear list members Here is my take on Uttara Phalguna These people often find their way into management as they combine hard work with good intelligence and hence are noted for their productivity ..This nakshatra is symbolised by the lower end of the bed and not without good reason as people born under this nakshtra are often noticed for their sexual escapades(Bill Clinton,Warren Beatty,Jack Nicholson) .This nakshatra is ruled over by Aryama the Demigod of patronage and these people are eager to alleviate suffering and help others through generosity . However the twist here is that seeing themselves as the one who bestows favors upon others when favors are bestowed upon them they can be completely ungrateful . They tend to be accurate judges of persons and situations and therefore stand out for their intelligence but they can behave quite indiscreetly and therefore the wisdom may not be commeasurate with the intelligence . Although they can accurately size up a situation they often appear extraordinarily puzzled that someone else can end up with a different perspective . If one can tolerate their pride they are certainly lively people to be around and make good friends as they are keen to help others .Just don't expect any gratitude if you return the favor . :-) Best Wishes Nicholas (Text PAMHO:5196785) ------ Letter PAMHO:5196813 (38 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 09-Feb-02 21:00 (08:00 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6970] Fw: Bharani --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Friday, January 18, 2002 8:04 PM Bharani Dear Cynthia and list members Here is my take on Bharani which by my calculation will be the 11th nakshtra we have covered (17 to go) Someone born under this nakshatra is bound to breathe life into a place as their characteristics are not conducive to a quiet life . Symbolised by the vulva and presided over by Yama ,God of death ,this duality of life and death makes for a tremendous melodrama played out in their lives . A Bharani born is not afraid of new undertakings and posesses tremendous courage .They will struggle with adversity but achieve breakthroughs .The fire burns within . As a result they may not pace themselves and can burn out . These people are extremely forthright in expressing their opinions and do not care for the feelings of others . For this reason there may be large numbers of people inimical to them .Subordination is equal to death and they will fight with dear ones over small matters . They have volatile tempers .One person I knew who was both Bharani Moon and Lagna posessed a happy go lucky disposition but landed so many assault charges that he had to do an anger management course .Despite that if one apologises to them sincerely they are genuinely forgiving . They do not relish advice from others and will act according to their own sweet will .Despite so many Martian traits they are fond of mirth and like to spread rumours .Usually they are successful in their undertakings . In the end they are either loved for the excitement they generate or loathed for their many vices . So if life is getting dull get some Bharanis into it . Best Wishes Nicholas (Text PAMHO:5196813) ------ Letter PAMHO:5203821 (40 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 11-Feb-02 21:55 (08:55 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6976] Fw: [GJ] Punarvasu --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Tuesday, February 12, 2002 6:05 AM Re: [GJ] Punarvasu Dear Nicholas, Natabara et al Let's go with a nakshatra before I get asked another opinion <big grins> FYI, I just entered a Rahu antara dhasha, with Rahu in the 12th isn't it interesting the the point of controversy the began the stir was about the 12th house. Anyway, Punarvasu is a wonderful mansion. The deity is Aditi the mother goddess and this mansion is rich with creative potential. This and Pushya seem to appear in the charts of wealthy and powerful people. It is the lunar mansion for the Sun the then US birth chart: 7-4-1776. That was, afterall, a revolution and the courage that it must have taken for those leaders to take a stand against the most powerful country in the world is relfected in the courage and optimism of this mansion. It falls in late Gemini to 3 Cancer and has a variable quality. The symbol a quiver of arrows indicates the many possibilities. I'll shoot one to this business and another into that one... . Here, the restlessness of mrigashira seems to fade and be replaced by a sense of purpose and direction. They seem to be very interested in family and leaving something behind tha reminds the world or at least their families that they were here. What do y'all think. cynthia Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5203821) ------ Letter PAMHO:5205770 (37 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 12-Feb-02 09:47 (20:47 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6977] Fw: [GJ] Purnavasu --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Tuesday, February 12, 2002 7:02 PM [GJ] Purnavasu Dear List This nakshatra symbolised by the arrow which is shot from the bow but then returns to the quiver symbolises a person who is at peace at home but ventures out into the world to do their business .The idea I get from this is that this nakshatra signifies a rather self sufficient person detached from the world but at the same time able to act in it . Usually they are somewhat retired from the world and like to study religion and philosophy . One of the good qualities of this nakshata is that they are satisfied with little and they will try to help others and avoid doing harm . Yet they will not overextend themselves in this way keeping sight of their own desires and needs . They may lack the drive for material accomplishment preferring the development of the inner life .They revel in abstract thought and can be unusual but insightful thinkers .Sometimes they are seen to be wanderers . The deity is Aditi the mother of the Gods so this nakshtra is more associated with virtue than vice . They often are found working in IT or they have the capacity to develop their own businesses .All in all quite a nice nakshatra . Best Wishes Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5205770) ------ Letter PAMHO:5210433 (37 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 13-Feb-02 00:41 (11:41 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6984] Fw: [GJ] Purnavasu --------------------------- - Luck of the draw or the precision of the arrow? One of the things that turned me to Vedic astrology was the concept that the Moon is our perceptions. I know that when we become wise stewards of our thoughts that we can make profound leaps and rise above karma. I find that there are naks. that really struggle with that and some who are very clear at understanding who they are and where they are going. In the case of Punarvasu, they seem willing to try different paths without getting lost or having the distraction others have. I have Mars in Mrigashira and I can really spin my wheels looking compulsively at charts or doing several things at one time until I'm exhausted. Punarvasu seems able to do the same thing without the exhaustion and I attribute that to the inn clarity. What do you think about this? c Dear Cynthia Yes it is a capable nakshatra .The native knows what they are on about . It's such a contrast to the previous nakshatra we did Meditating on my friends born under Satabhisa I realised they pretty well all had troubled mental histories By contrast my Purnavasu friends are doing well in business or IT The luck of the draw ?????????? Nicholas Dear Nicholas Isn't it interesting that this mansion spans the world of business success and spiritual success. These folks seem to be more peaceful than many others. Do you find that? cynthia (Text PAMHO:5210433) ------ Letter PAMHO:5224111 (39 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 16-Feb-02 08:07 (19:07 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6992] Fw: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha --------------------------- - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:55 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthia Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5224111) ------ Letter PAMHO:5227067 (73 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 17-Feb-02 05:22 (16:22 +1100) gjlist Cc: Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6993] Reference: Text PAMHO:5222481 by Internet: cynthia novak Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha --------------------------- Dear Cynthia and List I do not have so many examples of this nakshatra in my files .Basically to me it denotes regality the King on his throne . Natives born under this nakshtra have a strong sense of tradition and purpose and give and command respect . Thus they have a capacity for leadership .This tends to work more easily for males than females .Females born under this nakshtra will attract envy and have people snipe at them behind their back .In either case the native will poseess great confidence .The negative side of this nakshatra are the mirror image of the positive ; arrogance,over confidence ,pomposity,goals so high they are unachievable or unable to be worked out . In comparison to the Asvini nakshatra( the corresponding nakshatra in the first cycle) who is more a pioneering type of leader the Magha leader is far more a traditional type . There is a tradition of worship of the forefathers in India .The forefathers due to pious merit attain some heavenly realm and as long as their descendents perform puja for them they can remain there . Thus it was very important to everyone following this system to maintain the tradition and taboo to deviate from it .When one died then one could go and be with the forefathers and one would be dependent on ones descendents to keep him there . Thus there are simultaneously the idea of remaining in one's earthly family whilst enjoying some type of paradise .Thus there are notions of both humanness and Godlikeness ..The region of the pitris is different to the devas . This discussion of the pitris does illuminate some of the ideas associated with this nakshatra . Since I'm short of case studies in my files I'd be interested in hearing from any Maghas out there . Kind regards Nicholas - cynthia novak gjlist Saturday, February 16, 2002 10:55 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas and All Are we ready to go to Magha? This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human. This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins> I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations. cynthia Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5227067) ------ Letter PAMHO:5229405 (26 lines) Internet: "Nicholas" <jyotish108 17-Feb-02 22:41 (09:41 +1100) Yadu-srestha (das) PVS (Melbourne - AU) [6995] Magha --------------------------- - Nicholas gjlist Monday, February 18, 2002 4:01 AM [GJ] Magha Dear list some quick examples to illustrate the fine line the Magha treads between regality and pomposity . Ian Thorpe who has Moon here has winning ways that come across as charming whereas Venus Williiams who also has Moon here comes across quite differently . Uma Thurman who has this as her rising nakshtra has a bit of both .Now a queen of Hollywood she was cruelly picked on at school . Cheers Nicholas Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- (Text PAMHO:5229405) ------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 Dear Maddalena, I am not too sure if there is a site dedicated to Nakshatras or moon costellations as it is generally known as. To gather more insight into Nakshatras our Dear Das Goravani has quite well detailed out about Nakshatras in his online astrology lessons. Proceed to www.goravani.com Youmay also check out Komilla Sutton's site: www.komilla.com Happy surfing. Om Shanti Om. Rajul Kaushik - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:00 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas, I'm new to vedic astrology (coming from western astrology) and joined this list recently. I really appreciate the Nakshatra discussions. Could you recommend a web site on Nakshatras? Thank you in advance Best regards Maddalena - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:48 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Carol Yes Magha was the last one we did the 14th of 28 so we are half way . We took a break while Cynthia dealt with the loss of her mother but she is back on list now . Nicholas - Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:22 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Cynthia, Nicholas, Natabara, and List, I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol HookIn a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and AllAre we ready to go to Magha?This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human.This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins>I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations.cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2002 Report Share Posted March 2, 2002 Dear Nicholas, thank you so much for your kind and useful answer. You have avoided me going through all the messages at the group's site! I will read the file with much interest. Best regards Maddalena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 Dear Rajul, many thanks for your suggestion. I've done a lot of surfing on the subject, and I'm unsatisfied because I'm looking for explanations on how Nakshatra significations relate to the 12 Rasi significations. Maybe I'm trying to correlate two systems which are independent..as the dirah.demon.org website states. I'm still going through the file on the GJ mails that Nicholas sent me ... the ongoing discussion is interesting. Best regards Maddalena - Rajul Kaushik gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 12:17 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Maddalena, I am not too sure if there is a site dedicated to Nakshatras or moon costellations as it is generally known as. To gather more insight into Nakshatras our Dear Das Goravani has quite well detailed out about Nakshatras in his online astrology lessons. Proceed to www.goravani.com Youmay also check out Komilla Sutton's site: www.komilla.com Happy surfing. Om Shanti Om. Rajul Kaushik - Maddalena Cecchinato gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 9:00 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Nicholas, I'm new to vedic astrology (coming from western astrology) and joined this list recently. I really appreciate the Nakshatra discussions. Could you recommend a web site on Nakshatras? Thank you in advance Best regards Maddalena - Nicholas gjlist Saturday, March 02, 2002 7:48 PM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Carol Yes Magha was the last one we did the 14th of 28 so we are half way . We took a break while Cynthia dealt with the loss of her mother but she is back on list now . Nicholas - Carolhook (AT) aol (DOT) com gjlist Sunday, March 03, 2002 3:22 AM Re: [GJ] NAKSATRAS Magha Dear Cynthia, Nicholas, Natabara, and List, I believe this is where we were most recently in the study of nakshatras--if I have it correct (I hope so, but please correct me if I missed something). These nakshatra discussions are much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol HookIn a message dated 2/15/2002 6:57:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, c.a.novak (AT) worldnet (DOT) att.net writes: Dear Nicholas and AllAre we ready to go to Magha?This one is fascinating to me. The astrology texts have described the Pitris as merely the ancestors, but one text said that they were the first beings who were both human and god. The symbol for this nak. is a throne. I have seen folks with this one strong in the rashi have a very strong sense of self and they expect to accomplish something very important in life. Sometimes I joke and say that where Magha is strong you need to be reminded that you are human.This one will appear in the charts of folks who rise from meger circumstances and always knew they would be famous. Sometimes it is literal. Princess Diana had a powerful Mars Rahu in her Rashi and of course they appeared here. She became a royal. It does not have to be the Moon, but the Moon gives more of the diva archtype <grins>I'd appreciate any other insights and information into the Pitris. I also heard that this place in the heavens is said to be where the soul goes after death to meet the family of his incarnations.cynthiaOm Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat: gjlist-http://www.goravani.comYour use of is subject to the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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