Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Dear everybody, Since I saw the name of Dirah mentioned on this list in connection to Nakshatra descriptions I thought it might be useful to give the correct link: http://www.dirah.org/lunarzodiac.htm This is a sample text out of my booklet the Hindu Lunar Zodiac that is delivered with a set of cards on which the symbols of the Nakshatras are shown. All the best, Roeland roeland (AT) dirah (DOT) org http://www.dirah.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 Dear Roeland, Well everybody's selling something these days! While I like the nakshatra descriptions on the cards, it's too bad their lords have been omitted. To me, this is like leaving out any mention of Mars in a profile of Aries. Chris At 10:22 AM 11/30/01 +0100, Roeland de Looff, Dirah Academy International wrote: > Dear everybody, Since I saw the name of Dirah mentioned on this list >in connection to Nakshatra descriptions I thought it might be useful to >give the correct link: http://www.dirah.org/lunarzodiac.htm > roeland http://www.dirah.org > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Dear All I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you mind commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did at one time to me? Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? How do you use them? Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and feminine? Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion or do you use the mansion as it stands alone? Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. c www.cynthianovak.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Dear Cynthia For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological profiles ..Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think this is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because Libra is a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However within Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this fits GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation of others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because everyone has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who puts out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles . So in this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . Thats a starter Nicholas - "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak <gjlist> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Dear All > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you mind > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did at > one time to me? > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? > > How do you use them? > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and feminine? > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion or > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > > c > > www.cynthianovak.com > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2001 Report Share Posted December 12, 2001 Dear all In the previous post where I said Chitra I should have said Svati Sorry for the error Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2001 Report Share Posted December 13, 2001 Cynthia, You should read a book called "Light on Life" by Hart DeFouw. He covers the uses of nakshatras in chart analysis. I believe the nakshatras can give an astrologer a deeper dimension to understand the meaning of someone's chart. For example, the nakshatra of Arudra is something to look out for. This nakshartra is ruled by a malefic deity and is signified with a symbol of a teardrop. If a planet is located in this nakshatra and is in a dusthana house, the signification of this planet will be affected negatively. The person will incur much tears over this position. However, DeFouw advises that these "tears" can also be the seed for life to be fecund once more. DeFouw discusses the significations of the remaining nakshatras which an intuitive astrologer can use in his analyses. Please, read the book. You'll enjoy it! Regards, John R. --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > Dear All > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on > nakshatras? Would you mind > commenting on any of the following questions as a > place to start? > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and > confusing as they did at > one time to me? > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps > just form prashna? > > How do you use them? > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as > sort of weights and > measures tool to determine the strength of the > planets? > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of > masculine and feminine? > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence > of the lunar mansion or > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for > discussion. > > c > > www.cynthianovak.com > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear Nicholas I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to focus in on something and bring it to success. The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if the image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when faced with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful people of a variety of careers. I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. Here is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, but didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is paraphrased from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are the skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use them with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple question will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the chart sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in this study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form of insight. I hope that others will jump in as well c - Nicholas <costa <gjlist> Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Dear Cynthia > For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological profiles > .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think this > is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . > > For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because Libra is > a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However within > Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved > personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this fits > GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation of > others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because everyone > has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who puts > out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles . So in > this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be > understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > > This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > > Thats a starter > Nicholas > > > > > - > "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > <gjlist> > Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Dear All > > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you mind > > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > > > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did at > > one time to me? > > > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? > > > > How do you use them? > > > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and > > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > > > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and feminine? > > > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion or > > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > > > > c > > > > www.cynthianovak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear John I have read the book. It is the best I've found. Still, it lacks much. Some that he says are wonderful....like Rohini...are far from that. I've learned much from my clients. I am hoping that others will have learned and be willing to share as well. One thing I've learned about them is that they can be very literal. One client whose Sun and Jupiter are in ARdra, in the 10th, neither of whom are "friends" to the chart makes a verrrry nice living from storms and destruction. Started out as an adjuster, has worked big disasters, including Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War. Now, he represents clients who own commercial properties like apartment buildings. He promises to get them more from their claim than the insurance company would offer and for that he makes a %. Sun, here, is lord of the 12th and Jupiter lord of the 4th and 7th. They are disposited by Mercury, lord of the 10th in the 9th with both Venus and Saturn making nice yogas so there is support for his success. Still, isn't it fascinating that his career deals with the aftermath of storms? Another woman is an artist. She has several planets in Ardra including Venus. Her husband is an attorney that works on plane crashes. She became so fascinated with the photos of the twisted pieces of wreckage that she began to blow them up and reproduce them on very large canvasses. she sent me some small prints and it is amazing how beautiful and serene they feel. One of the great gifts of ARdra at its best is the ability to find beauty and purpose in the midst of destruction and death. Often, ARdra strong is self-centered and assumes that no one understands their pain. It is essential that they do volunteer work or something to reach out and get it that they are not the only ones who suffer. It seems simple, but it is magical. Once they get out of themselves and their own pain they are amazing at helping others transform pain. The dark side are the folks who sit and do nothing going over the endless list of events or people they perceive as thwarting their success. My only suggestion there is that they make then repeat a list of kindnesses they have been shown and what they are grateful for. Preferable doing this looking at their own eyes in a mirror. BTW, this is a huge stretch in the beginning. The difficulties of Ardra are real and it takes a strong will to transform it. Sorry, I've gone on and on. c - John Rasonabe <jr_esq <gjlist> Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:44 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Cynthia, > > You should read a book called "Light on Life" by Hart > DeFouw. He covers the uses of nakshatras in chart > analysis. I believe the nakshatras can give an > astrologer a deeper dimension to understand the > meaning of someone's chart. For example, the > nakshatra of Arudra is something to look out for. > This nakshartra is ruled by a malefic deity and is > signified with a symbol of a teardrop. If a planet is > located in this nakshatra and is in a dusthana house, > the signification of this planet will be affected > negatively. The person will incur much tears over > this position. However, DeFouw advises that these > "tears" can also be the seed for life to be fecund > once more. > > DeFouw discusses the significations of the remaining > nakshatras which an intuitive astrologer can use in > his analyses. Please, read the book. You'll enjoy > it! > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > > Dear All > > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on > > nakshatras? Would you mind > > commenting on any of the following questions as a > > place to start? > > > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and > > confusing as they did at > > one time to me? > > > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps > > just form prashna? > > > > How do you use them? > > > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as > > sort of weights and > > measures tool to determine the strength of the > > planets? > > > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of > > masculine and feminine? > > > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence > > of the lunar mansion or > > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for > > discussion. > > > > c > > > > www.cynthianovak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > > Sat > > : > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear Cynthia Excellent points . Please "ramble" more .I love the Nakshatras . Te describe the nakshatras I agree deep is a better choice of words than subtle . WRT George Harrison he did live for years in John and Paul's shadow and it took him some time by his own admission to gain respect as a song writer in his own right by writing good songs . His guitar work is in the category of understated but historical revisionists and critics now have far more respect for this school after finally tiring of the head banging school . The Beatles became big without media support and the support of many in the music industry such as Frank Sinatra . Even in rock circles they were considered either a teen band or party music in the early days . In general George and the Beatles did start out as lightweight like a spout but by their determination and without outside support (except for George Martin ) had tremendous accomplishment . Please "ramble" more .I love the Nakshatras . Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Hi Guys, I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although recently I have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's nakshatra to add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to go in the intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, enough to keep using it. But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is the lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another dimension -- yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the houses they ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a Mars dasha to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it is in the chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the chart, that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the influences on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't necessarily that strong. Chris At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: >Dear Nicholas >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to >focus in on something and bring it to success. > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if the >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when faced >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful >people of a variety of careers. > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. Here >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, but >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is paraphrased >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are the >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use them >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple question >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the chart >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in this >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form of >insight. > >I hope that others will jump in as well > >c > > >- >Nicholas <costa ><gjlist> >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > >> Dear Cynthia >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological >profiles >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think >this >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . >> >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because Libra >is >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However >within >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this >fits >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation of >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because >everyone >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who puts >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles . So >in >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . >> >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . >> >> Thats a starter >> Nicholas >> >> >> >> >> - >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak >> <gjlist> >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras >> >> >> > Dear All >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. >> > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you >mind >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? >> > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did >at >> > one time to me? >> > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? >> > >> > How do you use them? >> > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? >> > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and >feminine? >> > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion >or >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? >> > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. >> > >> > c >> > >> > www.cynthianovak.com >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> > : gjlist- >> > >> > >> > >> > Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to >> >> >> > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Dear Cynthia I agree with Nicholas. Tell more. Marcia At 10:39 AM 12/15/01 +1100, you wrote: Dear Cynthia Excellent points . Please "ramble" more .I love the Nakshatras .. Te describe the nakshatras I agree deep is a better choice of words than subtle . Please "ramble" more .I love the Nakshatras . Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2001 Report Share Posted December 14, 2001 Cynthia, Your email shows the depth of work you have done with the significations of the various nakshatras. The research you've done is valuable for you and the rest of us in the list. Your narrative shows your keep observations. Perhaps, you can write a book about your research in the near future. BTW, there's another book by Dennis Harness about nakshatras. But, I don't think the author takes the texts into the deeper dimensions that you're looking for. Parashara, as you well know, recommends to perform charities rememdy any weankness in a person charts. So, your idea of opening to others is similar to the recommendation made by the ancient master himself. Regards, John R. --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > Dear John > > I have read the book. It is the best I've found. > Still, it lacks much. > Some that he says are wonderful....like Rohini...are > far from that. I've > learned much from my clients. I am hoping that > others will have learned and > be willing to share as well. > > One thing I've learned about them is that they can > be very literal. One > client whose Sun and Jupiter are in ARdra, in the > 10th, neither of whom are > "friends" to the chart makes a verrrry nice living > from storms and > destruction. Started out as an adjuster, has worked > big disasters, > including Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War. Now, he > represents clients who > own commercial properties like apartment buildings. > He promises to get them > more from their claim than the insurance company > would offer and for that he > makes a %. > > Sun, here, is lord of the 12th and Jupiter lord of > the 4th and 7th. > > They are disposited by Mercury, lord of the 10th in > the 9th with both Venus > and Saturn making nice yogas so there is support for > his success. Still, > isn't it fascinating that his career deals with the > aftermath of storms? > > Another woman is an artist. She has several planets > in Ardra including > Venus. Her husband is an attorney that works on > plane crashes. She became > so fascinated with the photos of the twisted pieces > of wreckage that she > began to blow them up and reproduce them on very > large canvasses. she sent > me some small prints and it is amazing how beautiful > and serene they feel. > One of the great gifts of ARdra at its best is the > ability to find beauty > and purpose in the midst of destruction and death. > > Often, ARdra strong is self-centered and assumes > that no one understands > their pain. It is essential that they do volunteer > work or something to > reach out and get it that they are not the only ones > who suffer. It seems > simple, but it is magical. Once they get out of > themselves and their own > pain they are amazing at helping others transform > pain. The dark side are > the folks who sit and do nothing going over the > endless list of events or > people they perceive as thwarting their success. My > only suggestion there is > that they make then repeat a list of kindnesses they > have been shown and > what they are grateful for. Preferable doing this > looking at their own eyes > in a mirror. BTW, this is a huge stretch in the > beginning. The > difficulties of Ardra are real and it takes a strong > will to transform it. > > Sorry, I've gone on and on. > > c > > - > John Rasonabe <jr_esq > <gjlist> > Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:44 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Cynthia, > > > > You should read a book called "Light on Life" by > Hart > > DeFouw. He covers the uses of nakshatras in chart > > analysis. I believe the nakshatras can give an > > astrologer a deeper dimension to understand the > > meaning of someone's chart. For example, the > > nakshatra of Arudra is something to look out for. > > This nakshartra is ruled by a malefic deity and is > > signified with a symbol of a teardrop. If a > planet is > > located in this nakshatra and is in a dusthana > house, > > the signification of this planet will be affected > > negatively. The person will incur much tears over > > this position. However, DeFouw advises that these > > "tears" can also be the seed for life to be fecund > > once more. > > > > DeFouw discusses the significations of the > remaining > > nakshatras which an intuitive astrologer can use > in > > his analyses. Please, read the book. You'll > enjoy > > it! > > > > Regards, > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak > wrote: > > > Dear All > > > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > > > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on > > > nakshatras? Would you mind > > > commenting on any of the following questions as > a > > > place to start? > > > > > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and > > > confusing as they did at > > > one time to me? > > > > > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or > perhaps > > > just form prashna? > > > > > > How do you use them? > > > > > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them > as as > > > sort of weights and > > > measures tool to determine the strength of the > > > planets? > > > > > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture > of > > > masculine and feminine? > > > > > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the > essence > > > of the lunar mansion or > > > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > > > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for > > > discussion. > > > > > > c > > > > > > www.cynthianovak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > Tat > > > Sat > > > : > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for > all of > > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at > > > or bid at http://auctions. > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > > : > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > === message truncated === Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear List Members I love the Nakshatras in terms of the deep psychological insights .Also they obviously time the mahadasha system . I do have trouble though with the idea that planets own nakshatras considering that the correspondence we see is only for Vimshottari and is different in other dasha systems and what connection does the most opulent,fruitful nakshatra Pushya have with Saturn anyway (and so on with the other nakshtrasa) . In my case it takes too much intellectual jugglery to believe that the planets own nakshatras the way the way they own signs . Therefore the idea that say during Venus dasha then if Venus is in the Sun's nakshatra then the Sun's energies are more activated than normal I have found very small correspondence at best .This was after quite an exhaustive study . An alternative understanding is that during Venus dashas the planets in Venus nakshatras are more activated than usual . I have not done so much work on this . I'd be interested in others opinions on these points .I know some writers use them frequently in this way but what about the rest . Best Wishes Nicholas - "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill <gjlist>; <gjlist> Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:51 AM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Hi Guys, > > I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although recently I > have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's nakshatra to > add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to go in the > intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, enough to keep > using it. > > But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is the > lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another dimension -- > yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the houses they > ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a Mars dasha > to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it is in the > chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the chart, > that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the influences > on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't necessarily > that strong. > > Chris > > At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > >Dear Nicholas > >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > > > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to > >focus in on something and bring it to success. > > > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if the > >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when faced > >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful > >people of a variety of careers. > > > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young > >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. Here > >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, but > >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is paraphrased > >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his > >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity > >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. > > > > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are the > >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use them > >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple question > >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the chart > >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. > > > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in this > >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism > >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form of > >insight. > > > >I hope that others will jump in as well > > > >c > > > > > >- > >Nicholas <costa > ><gjlist> > >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM > >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > >> Dear Cynthia > >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological > >profiles > >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think > >this > >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . > >> > >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because Libra > >is > >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However > >within > >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved > >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this > >fits > >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation of > >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because > >everyone > >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who puts > >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles . So > >in > >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be > >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > >> > >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > >> > >> Thats a starter > >> Nicholas > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > >> <gjlist> > >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > >> > >> > >> > Dear All > >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > >> > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you > >mind > >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > >> > > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did > >at > >> > one time to me? > >> > > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? > >> > > >> > How do you use them? > >> > > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and > >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > >> > > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and > >feminine? > >> > > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion > >or > >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > >> > > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > >> > > >> > c > >> > > >> > www.cynthianovak.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> > : gjlist- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> : gjlist- > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Cynthia,When I entered the Dasa of my debilitated mars in pushya,I got divorced and had severe financial problems due to losing clients who accounted for 80% of my revenues in one year.Saturn is in Virgo in Chitra in my 7th house and was transiting my 12th house at the time.Since mars and saturn exchange dispositors they worked like a team and I did have many losses during this time.However I was protected via the beneficence of pushya and everything turned out well in the end.Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Chris I'll agree with you there and add too that when there is an exchange between lords it really seems to strengthen the relationship between those planets who might otherwise appear to be very disconnected in the chart. I also look to see if there is one planetary lord of the naks. that really stands out. For example, there might be several Ketu lordships so the person will have a real Ketu flavor or theme in his life. c - Christopher Kevill <ckevill <gjlist>; <gjlist> Friday, December 14, 2001 5:51 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Hi Guys, > > I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although recently I > have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's nakshatra to > add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to go in the > intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, enough to keep > using it. > > But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is the > lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another dimension -- > yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the houses they > ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a Mars dasha > to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it is in the > chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the chart, > that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the influences > on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't necessarily > that strong. > > Chris > > At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > >Dear Nicholas > >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > > > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to > >focus in on something and bring it to success. > > > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if the > >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when faced > >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful > >people of a variety of careers. > > > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young > >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. Here > >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, but > >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is paraphrased > >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his > >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity > >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. > > > > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are the > >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use them > >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple question > >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the chart > >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. > > > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in this > >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism > >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form of > >insight. > > > >I hope that others will jump in as well > > > >c > > > > > >- > >Nicholas <costa > ><gjlist> > >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM > >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > >> Dear Cynthia > >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological > >profiles > >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think > >this > >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . > >> > >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because Libra > >is > >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However > >within > >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved > >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this > >fits > >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation of > >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because > >everyone > >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who puts > >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles . So > >in > >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be > >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > >> > >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > >> > >> Thats a starter > >> Nicholas > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> - > >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > >> <gjlist> > >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > >> > >> > >> > Dear All > >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > >> > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you > >mind > >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > >> > > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they did > >at > >> > one time to me? > >> > > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form prashna? > >> > > >> > How do you use them? > >> > > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights and > >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > >> > > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and > >feminine? > >> > > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar mansion > >or > >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > >> > > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > >> > > >> > c > >> > > >> > www.cynthianovak.com > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> > : gjlist- > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >> : gjlist- > >> > >> > >> > >> Your use of is subject to > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Thanks for the support John I'm hoping to focus this Mercury Mars brain of mind and do just that. It is amazing to me how I will get several clients who share a Nak. in a row and see various sides of it. None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and difficult side. What I'm thinking about doing is writing a sort of narrative about each using the deity information and examples of various people and how they manifest it rather like the ARDRA analogy. Would those of you out there want to participate by sharing some of your stories about one that you really see playing out? Thanks in advance c - John Rasonabe <jr_esq <gjlist> Friday, December 14, 2001 6:58 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Cynthia, > > Your email shows the depth of work you have done with > the significations of the various nakshatras. The > research you've done is valuable for you and the rest > of us in the list. Your narrative shows your keep > observations. Perhaps, you can write a book about > your research in the near future. > > BTW, there's another book by Dennis Harness about > nakshatras. But, I don't think the author takes the > texts into the deeper dimensions that you're looking > for. > > Parashara, as you well know, recommends to perform > charities rememdy any weankness in a person charts. > So, your idea of opening to others is similar to the > recommendation made by the ancient master himself. > > Regards, > > John R. > > > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > > Dear John > > > > I have read the book. It is the best I've found. > > Still, it lacks much. > > Some that he says are wonderful....like Rohini...are > > far from that. I've > > learned much from my clients. I am hoping that > > others will have learned and > > be willing to share as well. > > > > One thing I've learned about them is that they can > > be very literal. One > > client whose Sun and Jupiter are in ARdra, in the > > 10th, neither of whom are > > "friends" to the chart makes a verrrry nice living > > from storms and > > destruction. Started out as an adjuster, has worked > > big disasters, > > including Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War. Now, he > > represents clients who > > own commercial properties like apartment buildings. > > He promises to get them > > more from their claim than the insurance company > > would offer and for that he > > makes a %. > > > > Sun, here, is lord of the 12th and Jupiter lord of > > the 4th and 7th. > > > > They are disposited by Mercury, lord of the 10th in > > the 9th with both Venus > > and Saturn making nice yogas so there is support for > > his success. Still, > > isn't it fascinating that his career deals with the > > aftermath of storms? > > > > Another woman is an artist. She has several planets > > in Ardra including > > Venus. Her husband is an attorney that works on > > plane crashes. She became > > so fascinated with the photos of the twisted pieces > > of wreckage that she > > began to blow them up and reproduce them on very > > large canvasses. she sent > > me some small prints and it is amazing how beautiful > > and serene they feel. > > One of the great gifts of ARdra at its best is the > > ability to find beauty > > and purpose in the midst of destruction and death. > > > > Often, ARdra strong is self-centered and assumes > > that no one understands > > their pain. It is essential that they do volunteer > > work or something to > > reach out and get it that they are not the only ones > > who suffer. It seems > > simple, but it is magical. Once they get out of > > themselves and their own > > pain they are amazing at helping others transform > > pain. The dark side are > > the folks who sit and do nothing going over the > > endless list of events or > > people they perceive as thwarting their success. My > > only suggestion there is > > that they make then repeat a list of kindnesses they > > have been shown and > > what they are grateful for. Preferable doing this > > looking at their own eyes > > in a mirror. BTW, this is a huge stretch in the > > beginning. The > > difficulties of Ardra are real and it takes a strong > > will to transform it. > > > > Sorry, I've gone on and on. > > > > c > > > > - > > John Rasonabe <jr_esq > > <gjlist> > > Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:44 PM > > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > Cynthia, > > > > > > You should read a book called "Light on Life" by > > Hart > > > DeFouw. He covers the uses of nakshatras in chart > > > analysis. I believe the nakshatras can give an > > > astrologer a deeper dimension to understand the > > > meaning of someone's chart. For example, the > > > nakshatra of Arudra is something to look out for. > > > This nakshartra is ruled by a malefic deity and is > > > signified with a symbol of a teardrop. If a > > planet is > > > located in this nakshatra and is in a dusthana > > house, > > > the signification of this planet will be affected > > > negatively. The person will incur much tears over > > > this position. However, DeFouw advises that these > > > "tears" can also be the seed for life to be fecund > > > once more. > > > > > > DeFouw discusses the significations of the > > remaining > > > nakshatras which an intuitive astrologer can use > > in > > > his analyses. Please, read the book. You'll > > enjoy > > > it! > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > John R. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak > > wrote: > > > > Dear All > > > > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > > > > > > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on > > > > nakshatras? Would you mind > > > > commenting on any of the following questions as > > a > > > > place to start? > > > > > > > > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and > > > > confusing as they did at > > > > one time to me? > > > > > > > > Do you use them in a reading for a client or > > perhaps > > > > just form prashna? > > > > > > > > How do you use them? > > > > > > > > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them > > as as > > > > sort of weights and > > > > measures tool to determine the strength of the > > > > planets? > > > > > > > > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture > > of > > > > masculine and feminine? > > > > > > > > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the > > essence > > > > of the lunar mansion or > > > > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > > > > > > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for > > > > discussion. > > > > > > > > c > > > > > > > > www.cynthianovak.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om > > Tat > > > > Sat > > > > : > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for > > all of > > > your unique holiday gifts! 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Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Cynthia, I couldn't agree more with this! I also look to see if there is one planetary lord of the naks. that reallystands out. For example, there might be several Ketu lordships so theperson will have a real Ketu flavor or theme in his life. My first and most respected teacher, a very knowledgeable pundit, who has practiced for over 50 yrs, taught me the relevance of nakshatra lords in Rashi. And after 12 yrs of practicing myself, I'm in no doubt as to their importance. I'm presently researching the significance of the jeeva (nakshatra lord) and deha (nakshatra lord's N/L). It's said that the jeeva represents the consciousness of the planet and the deha shows the outer expression of that planet. For instance, say the jeeva planet for Venus is Jupiter (sattva) and the deha is Rahu (tamas), it could indicate that, in spite of the native's good intentions, he would succumb to temptation. Perhaps a good example would be a priest who falls by the wayside. It may not be startlingly visible in the horoscope, by may become evident when one examines the jeeva/deha of the planet. I think it's certainly worth consideration... Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Cynthia William Levacy also gives good insights into the nakshatras . Yes they can be very literal .I am Hasta rising symbolised by the hand and sometimes associated with counting .My first full time job was in the government statistic office "counting" populations in local government areas : - ) Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Cynthia > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and difficult > side. Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a dissenting opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others otherwise why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some have pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated with opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods assigned the task of destruction . Best Wishes Nicholas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Nicholas Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I mean. What do you know about Rohini? Don't be shy, this is fun. BTW, I've found some really interesting things about Hasta. One man with this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he would literally juggle to get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong with clients in the computer industry. They figured out that this work would give them a good living and then balanced it with doing things that were fun on the outside. It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much the dreamer or romantic that others are. One of the difficulties comes in spending. When you work hard at a job that you don't really love, you might balance it by spending big...just another observation. I've found this one very good as math, statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick comes in balancing. <grins> I've heard it called a thief, but haven't encountered that in my cleints. Some might have felt like a thief in the large salaries, but I have not found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. What have you found. c - Nicholas <costa <gjlist> Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Dear Cynthia > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and difficult > > side. > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a dissenting > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others otherwise > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some have > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated with > opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods assigned the > task of destruction . > > Best Wishes > Nicholas > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Nicholas Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I mean. What do you know about Rohini? Don't be shy, this is fun. BTW, I've found some really interesting things about Hasta. One man with this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he would literally juggle to get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong with clients in the computer industry. They figured out that this work would give them a good living and then balanced it with doing things that were fun on the outside. It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much the dreamer or romantic that others are. One of the difficulties comes in spending. When you work hard at a job that you don't really love, you might balance it by spending big...just another observation. I've found this one very good as math, statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick comes in balancing. <grins> My first question where ever I might find Hasta in the chart is what might the person be juggeling in that arena. I will say that I have found that Mula and Ardra appear to be the most difficult. That could change as I learn more. Might I ad that I called the terrorist attack by the Moon entering this axis on Sept. 10th. I put out in my Monthly Planner that if we were to have a terrorist hit it would come that week. That axis was loaded and URanus was stationing on the Moon of the chart I use for the US. When I speak to folks about getting out of themselves and out of their fears to do things for others in December and continuing in January, I am speaking to the ARdra, Mula axis in the collective. Back to Hasta, what do you find you juggle with it on you Lagna? Could it be time for self and time for others or relationships? I've heard it called a thief, but haven't encountered that in my cleints. Some might have felt like a thief in the large salaries, but I have not found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. What have you found? c - Nicholas <costa <gjlist> Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Dear Cynthia > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and difficult > > side. > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a dissenting > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others otherwise > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some have > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated with > opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods assigned the > task of destruction . > > Best Wishes > Nicholas > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Nicholas I struggled with this for quite a while. In fact, I thought the naks were gibberish. Pushya, to my mind, bringsup the image of a kitten nursing. He pushes hard again and again at the mother to receive the milk. If you have the abundance of Jupiter and the tenacity of Saturn you can really get something going. Anyway, that is how I reconcile it in my mind. I also think that the naks. can stand alone. They are the most ancient form of Vedic Astrology that I have found, and so the most likely to be corrupted. I believe that they come from the Indus Valley before the (I'm really going to get in trouble here) dominance of patriarchy was so strong. The latter could have something to do with what appears to be the incongruities. In my studies I;ve searched various books that are NOT written by astrologers. One text on the art of ancient India suggests that a mother goddess was the 1st deity to appear within the lotus and was later knocked out and replaced. So, you see, we are at a loss to uncover what the origins were, only to learn from history that they stem from a very feminine spirit. Why, then, I ask myself are virtually all of them given a male deity? Perhaps it has something to do with the transition of cultural dominance from feminine to masculine. Not being angry or fanatical here, just sharing the journey that these often literal images have taken me. The myths are very revealing as well. Do you know any for Hasta???? c - Nicholas <costa <gjlist> Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:16 AM Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > Dear List Members > I love the Nakshatras in terms of the deep psychological insights .Also they > obviously time the mahadasha system . I do have trouble though with the > idea that planets own nakshatras considering that the correspondence we see > is only for Vimshottari and is different in other dasha systems and what > connection does the most opulent,fruitful nakshatra Pushya have with Saturn > anyway (and so on with the other nakshtrasa) . > > In my case it takes too much intellectual jugglery to believe that the > planets own nakshatras the way the way they own signs . > Therefore the idea that say during Venus dasha then if Venus is in the Sun's > nakshatra then the Sun's energies are more activated than normal I have > found very small correspondence at best .This was after quite an exhaustive > study . > An alternative understanding is that during Venus dashas the planets in > Venus nakshatras are more activated than usual . I have not done so much > work on this . > I'd be interested in others opinions on these points .I know some writers > use them frequently in this way but what about the rest . > Best Wishes > Nicholas > - > "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill > <gjlist>; <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:51 AM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although recently I > > have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's nakshatra to > > add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to go in the > > intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, enough to keep > > using it. > > > > But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is the > > lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another dimension -- > > yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the houses they > > ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a Mars dasha > > to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it is in the > > chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the chart, > > that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the > influences > > on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't necessarily > > that strong. > > > > Chris > > > > At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > > >Dear Nicholas > > >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > > > > > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to > > >focus in on something and bring it to success. > > > > > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if the > > >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when > faced > > >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful > > >people of a variety of careers. > > > > > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young > > >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. > Here > > >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, > but > > >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is > paraphrased > > >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his > > >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity > > >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. > > > > > > > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are the > > >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use them > > >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple question > > >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the > chart > > >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. > > > > > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in > this > > >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism > > >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form of > > >insight. > > > > > >I hope that others will jump in as well > > > > > >c > > > > > > > > >- > > >Nicholas <costa > > ><gjlist> > > >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM > > >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > >> Dear Cynthia > > >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological > > >profiles > > >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I think > > >this > > >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . > > >> > > >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because > Libra > > >is > > >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However > > >within > > >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved > > >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and this > > >fits > > >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the situation > of > > >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because > > >everyone > > >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who > puts > > >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles .. > So > > >in > > >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be > > >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > > >> > > >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > > >> > > >> Thats a starter > > >> Nicholas > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> - > > >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > >> <gjlist> > > >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > > >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > >> > > >> > > >> > Dear All > > >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > >> > > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would you > > >mind > > >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > > >> > > > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they > did > > >at > > >> > one time to me? > > >> > > > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form > prashna? > > >> > > > >> > How do you use them? > > >> > > > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of weights > and > > >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > > >> > > > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and > > >feminine? > > >> > > > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar > mansion > > >or > > >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > >> > > > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > > >> > > > >> > c > > >> > > > >> > www.cynthianovak.com > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >> > : gjlist- > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >> : gjlist- > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Your use of is subject to > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Cynthia, I liked your comments about the Hasta nakshatra. I have a friend who has problems with uncontrolled spending. He had already gone through one bankruptcy and yet again is accumulating more debt, while juggling trying to keep the full time hours of his current job! (He is on-call at a University hospital, and they are going through funding problems). Dietmar cynthia novak wrote: > Dear Nicholas > > Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I mean. > > What do you know about Rohini? > > Don't be shy, this is fun. > > BTW, I've found some really interesting things about Hasta. One man with > this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he would literally juggle to > get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong with clients in the > computer industry. They figured out that this work would give them a good > living and then balanced it with doing things that were fun on the outside. > It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much the dreamer or romantic > that others are. One of the difficulties comes in spending. When you work > hard at a job that you don't really love, you might balance it by spending > big...just another observation. I've found this one very good as math, > statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick comes in balancing. > <grins> > > My first question where ever I might find Hasta in the chart is what might > the person be juggeling in that arena. > > I will say that I have found that Mula and Ardra appear to be the most > difficult. That could change as I learn more. Might I ad that I called the > terrorist attack by the Moon entering this axis on Sept. 10th. I put out in > my Monthly Planner that if we were to have a terrorist hit it would come > that week. That axis was loaded and URanus was stationing on the Moon of > the chart I use for the US. When I speak to folks about getting out of > themselves and out of their fears to do things for others in December and > continuing in January, I am speaking to the ARdra, Mula axis in the > collective. > > Back to Hasta, what do you find you juggle with it on you Lagna? > > Could it be time for self and time for others or relationships? > > I've heard it called a thief, but haven't encountered that in my cleints. > Some might have felt like a thief in the large salaries, but I have not > found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. What have you found? > c > > - > Nicholas <costa > <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and > difficult > > > side. > > > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a dissenting > > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others otherwise > > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some have > > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated with > > opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods assigned > the > > task of destruction . > > > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Wendy, I am currently in a Sa-Ve period and Venus rules the nakshatra containing Saturn. Does this mean that the significations of Venus (i.e. the houses it rules), will have a greater emphasis? regards, Dietmar Wendy Vasicek wrote: Dear Cynthia,I couldn't agree more with this! I also look to see if there is one planetary lord of the naks. that really stands out. For example, there might be several Ketu lordships so the person will have a real Ketu flavor or theme in his life. My first and most respected teacher, a very knowledgeable pundit, who has practiced for over 50 yrs, taught me the relevance of nakshatra lords in Rashi.And after 12 yrs of practicing myself, I'm in no doubt as to their importance. I'm presently researching the significance of the jeeva (nakshatra lord) and deha (nakshatra lord's N/L). It's said that the jeeva represents the consciousness of the planet and the deha shows the outer expression of that planet. For instance, say the jeeva planet for Venus is Jupiter (sattva) and the deha is Rahu (tamas), it could indicate that, in spite of the native's good intentions, he would succumb to temptation.Perhaps a good example would be a priest who falls by the wayside.It may not be startlingly visible in the horoscope, by may become evident when one examines the jeeva/deha of the planet. I think it's certainly worth consideration... Best Wishes, Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologer http://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/ JyotishVidya wenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat : gjlist- Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Cynthia, My Moon is in the nakshatra of Dhanista, which is represented by a drum. When I was younger, I played the saxophone and was involved in the school music band up to college. I was also a member of a rock band at that time. Presently, I'm playing the piano, which is considered a percussion instrument. Hart DeFouw also stated that persons in this nakshatra has a tendency to have issues with personal relationships, as in marriage. This appears to be true. My relationships don't appear to develop very well into a rewarding experience. I'm still and single and looking. Regards, John R. --- cynthia novak <c.a.novak wrote: > Dear Nicholas > > > Let's start here and perhaps you can see what I > mean. > > What do you know about Rohini? > > Don't be shy, this is fun. > > > BTW, I've found some really interesting things about > Hasta. One man with > this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he > would literally juggle to > get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong > with clients in the > computer industry. They figured out that this work > would give them a good > living and then balanced it with doing things that > were fun on the outside. > It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much > the dreamer or romantic > that others are. One of the difficulties comes in > spending. When you work > hard at a job that you don't really love, you might > balance it by spending > big...just another observation. I've found this one > very good as math, > statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick > comes in balancing. > <grins> > > I've heard it called a thief, but haven't > encountered that in my cleints. > Some might have felt like a thief in the large > salaries, but I have not > found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. > What have you found. > > c > > > > > - > Nicholas <costa > <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All > have an easy and > difficult > > > side. > > > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I > would cast a dissenting > > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far > nastier than others otherwise > > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" > or why do some have > > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are > some asociated with > > opulence providing demigods and others associated > with demigods assigned > the > > task of destruction . > > > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > > : > gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat > Sat > : > gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at or bid at http://auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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