Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Cynthia I'll get to Rohini when I get more time . As for Hasta natives well we are pretty smart and we're not going to let others know that we are stealing . Hasta natives are often hard working but may compensate with over indulgence in alcohol,drugs,food or some other self indulgence . In my case I am considered hard working and like to reward myself through the tounge . I've never stolen money or valuables or from shops but if I ever come to your house watch your foodstuffs : - ) . You won't catch me in the act however .Hasta natives have a built in BS detector so I'm often consulted on fraudulent claims . I agree that they are stronger in the practical side of life than creative work . Maths and statistics is what I did my degree in and if I go to the supermarket I do not use a list but remember the number of items I need to buy .So literally I go into the supermarket thinking 6 : - ) Best wishes Nicholas > > > BTW, I've found some really interesting things about Hasta. One man with > this as his Moon liked to juggle. I'm serious, he would literally juggle to > get his mind off of things. I've seen Hasta strong with clients in the > computer industry. They figured out that this work would give them a good > living and then balanced it with doing things that were fun on the outside. > It seems to be a very rational mansion, not so much the dreamer or romantic > that others are. One of the difficulties comes in spending. When you work > hard at a job that you don't really love, you might balance it by spending > big...just another observation. I've found this one very good as math, > statistics and all forms of calculation. The trick comes in balancing. > <grins> > > I've heard it called a thief, but haven't encountered that in my cleints. > Some might have felt like a thief in the large salaries, but I have not > found one that seemed prone to deception or lying. What have you found. > > c > > > > > - > Nicholas <costa > <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:01 PM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Dear Cynthia > > > > > None of them are inherently evil or good. All have an easy and > difficult > > > side. > > > > Whereas they all have stronger and weaker sides I would cast a dissenting > > opinion on Good/Evil . Some of them are far nastier than others otherwise > > why are they tagged with such titles as "dreadful" or why do some have > > pleasent and others unpleasent symbolism ,why are some asociated with > > opulence providing demigods and others associated with demigods assigned > the > > task of destruction . > > > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Dear Cynthia Good questions you raise . The classics do not seem to have much to say about the nakshatras so I do not know where the qualities of the nakshatras are described in the vast body of jyotish . The more common and prelific writers do not make use of them in their delineations but as HDF says there is a huge difference between Pushya and Aslesha natives . Their underuse could also be a factor in their corruption along with their antiquity . There is also the mysterious Abhijit . Well you've certainly got a discussion going . Best wishes Nicholas > Nicholas > > I struggled with this for quite a while. In fact, I thought the naks were > gibberish. > > Pushya, to my mind, bringsup the image of a kitten nursing. He pushes hard > again and again at the mother to receive the milk. If you have the > abundance of Jupiter and the tenacity of Saturn you can really get something > going. Anyway, that is how I reconcile it in my mind. I also think that > the naks. can stand alone. > > They are the most ancient form of Vedic Astrology that I have found, and so > the most likely to be corrupted. > > I believe that they come from the Indus Valley before the (I'm really going > to get in trouble here) dominance of patriarchy was so strong. The latter > could have something to do with what appears to be the incongruities. > > In my studies I;ve searched various books that are NOT written by > astrologers. One text on the art of ancient India suggests that a mother > goddess was the 1st deity to appear within the lotus and was later knocked > out and replaced. So, you see, we are at a loss to uncover what the origins > were, only to learn from history that they stem from a very feminine spirit. > Why, then, I ask myself are virtually all of them given a male deity? > Perhaps it has something to do with the transition of cultural dominance > from feminine to masculine. Not being angry or fanatical here, just sharing > the journey that these often literal images have taken me. The myths are > very revealing as well. Do you know any for Hasta???? > > c > > > - > Nicholas <costa > <gjlist> > Saturday, December 15, 2001 3:16 AM > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > Dear List Members > > I love the Nakshatras in terms of the deep psychological insights .Also > they > > obviously time the mahadasha system . I do have trouble though with the > > idea that planets own nakshatras considering that the correspondence we > see > > is only for Vimshottari and is different in other dasha systems and what > > connection does the most opulent,fruitful nakshatra Pushya have with > Saturn > > anyway (and so on with the other nakshtrasa) . > > > > In my case it takes too much intellectual jugglery to believe that the > > planets own nakshatras the way the way they own signs . > > Therefore the idea that say during Venus dasha then if Venus is in the > Sun's > > nakshatra then the Sun's energies are more activated than normal I have > > found very small correspondence at best .This was after quite an > exhaustive > > study . > > An alternative understanding is that during Venus dashas the planets in > > Venus nakshatras are more activated than usual . I have not done so much > > work on this . > > I'd be interested in others opinions on these points .I know some writers > > use them frequently in this way but what about the rest . > > Best Wishes > > Nicholas > > - > > "Christopher Kevill" <ckevill > > <gjlist>; <gjlist> > > Saturday, December 15, 2001 10:51 AM > > Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > Hi Guys, > > > > > > I'm not what you'd call a heavy user of nakshatras, although recently I > > > have started to refer to the rising nakshatra and the Moon's nakshatra > to > > > add some shading to the overall personality reading. Stuff to go in the > > > intro of the reading I guess. I find it makes some sense, enough to > keep > > > using it. > > > > > > But the part of the nakshatras that I'm most interested in is the > > > lordships, in a sort of KP sense. TO me, this adds another dimension -- > > > yeah, like we needed another one! -- to the planets and the houses they > > > ruled. So it's important to know if someone is running say, a Mars > dasha > > > to know what the nakshatra ruler is of their Mars and where it is in the > > > chart. If Mars is in Ketu's nakshatra and Ketu is strong in the chart, > > > that will help Mars out. It will also give it share some of the > > influences > > > on it, as well as some of Ketu's energy, although that isn't necessarily > > > that strong. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > At 11:57 AM 12/14/01 -0600, cynthia novak wrote: > > > >Dear Nicholas > > > >I'm assuming that you were referring to Svati in your post. > > > > > > > >I've found this mansion to be very successful. There is the ability to > > > >focus in on something and bring it to success. > > > > > > > >The symbolism of a sprout and a sword is very revealing, it is as if > the > > > >image reveals an ability to start small and daring to grow even when > > faced > > > >with adversity or opposition. I see this nak. prominent in successful > > > >people of a variety of careers. > > > > > > > >I recently saw GH biography on A&E. One biographer talked about young > > > >George listening to records and playing what he heard on the guitar. > > Here > > > >is the telling quote: He seemed to have little natural talent for it, > > but > > > >didn't let that stop him. He kept practicing. Anyway, this is > > paraphrased > > > >from memory. GH brought what he heard and learned from the records his > > > >father got as a ship's steward to the other band members. His tenacity > > > >helped influence their music and ultimately bring them huge success. > > > > > > > > > > > >I see the naks. as not so subtle but very deep. It is as if they are > the > > > >skeletal structure upon which the rest of the chart operates. I use > them > > > >with all of the planets as a means of looking beneath the simple > question > > > >will I succeed in this business to offer insight into what makes the > > chart > > > >sing, and so what allows the native to fully manifest his potential. > > > > > > > >I'm rambling, but thank you for jumping in. I've really felt alone in > > this > > > >study, but I will say that my clients love it! Often the symbolism > > > >manifests so liteally that I am ever humbled by this most ancient form > of > > > >insight. > > > > > > > >I hope that others will jump in as well > > > > > > > >c > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > >Nicholas <costa > > > ><gjlist> > > > >Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:42 PM > > > >Re: [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > > > > > > > > > >> Dear Cynthia > > > >> For me the main use of the nakshatras is identifying psychological > > > >profiles > > > >> .Being the Moon's nakshatras and Moon being the karaka for mind I > think > > > >this > > > >> is consistent with the theoretical structure of Vedic astrology . > > > >> > > > >> For example it was argued that GHs lagna would not be Libra because > > Libra > > > >is > > > >> a positive movable sign and this does not fit his character . However > > > >within > > > >> Libra there is the nakshatra Chitra that often gives a shy reserved > > > >> personality .Now Chitra natives are also renowned as generous and > this > > > >fits > > > >> GH also .However they are weak in the area of respecting the > situation > > of > > > >> others .It is argued that GHs ignoring the media was fair because > > > >everyone > > > >> has the right to their privacy . True but how private is a person who > > puts > > > >> out 2 autobiographies and a collaborative one with the other Beatles > . > > So > > > >in > > > >> this way quite subtle strength and weaknesses of a character can be > > > >> understood through the rising and Moon nakshatras . > > > >> > > > >> This can also be useful in rectifying the chart . > > > >> > > > >> Thats a starter > > > >> Nicholas > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> - > > > >> "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak > > > >> <gjlist> > > > >> Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:04 AM > > > >> [GJ] Re: Nakshatras > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > Dear All > > > >> > I am new to the list but not to Vedic Astrology. > > > >> > > > > >> > Would anyone be interested in a discussion on nakshatras? Would > you > > > >mind > > > >> > commenting on any of the following questions as a place to start? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you use them at all or do they seem vague and confusing as they > > did > > > >at > > > >> > one time to me? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you use them in a reading for a client or perhaps just form > > prashna? > > > >> > > > > >> > How do you use them? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you read their symbolism or do you use them as as sort of > weights > > and > > > >> > measures tool to determine the strength of the planets? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you see them as purely feminine or a mixture of masculine and > > > >feminine? > > > >> > > > > >> > Do you rely upon the deities to reveal the essence of the lunar > > mansion > > > >or > > > >> > do you use the mansion as it stands alone? > > > >> > > > > >> > Not meaning to push in, but am hoping for discussion. > > > >> > > > > >> > c > > > >> > > > > >> > www.cynthianovak.com > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >> > : gjlist- > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >> : gjlist- > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> Your use of is subject to > > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > >: gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > > : gjlist- > > > > > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2001 Report Share Posted December 15, 2001 Hi Dietmar, I'm sorry but I don't quite understand your question. Could you be more specific. I think what you're saying is that Saturn is in the nakshatra of Venus. In which case yes! this will add emphasis to Venus. It would be necessary to see your chart to determine the particulars. Best Wishes,Wendy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Wendy Vasicek: Vedic Astrologerhttp://www.members.tripod.com/ganesh_astro/JyotishVidyawenvas (AT) dingoblue (DOT) net.au~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wendy, I am currently in a Sa-Ve period and Venus rules the nakshatra containing Saturn. Does this mean that the significations of Venus (i.e. the houses it rules), will have a greater emphasis? regards, Dietmar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 OOh, great discussion. Thank you for starting it, Cynthia. Please describe the characteristics that lead you to say that Rohini is not so wonderful. Also, how would you describe Ashlesha. (All the descriptions I've read say something about Ashlesha eyes. I have no idea what they are talking about.) What kind of relations do Ashleshas tend to have with others? Please describe some Asleshas. I'm a beginner, so I don't have many examples to give. I've got both Dennis Harness's book on nakshatras, and Hart DeFouw's Light on Life, but some of the nakshatra descriptions just don't say much to me. The one example I can contribute is a man with his Moon in Uttara Phalguni, who lives in comfort but not luxury, who is hard working, intelligent, helpful, well-liked, and whose career has been based on his scientific education, technical skill and the business experience gained while applying that knowledge and skill. But he has a Mercury/Jupiter 4th/10th exchange of houses, which might also explain that last bit. Steph gjlist, "cynthia novak" <c.a.novak@w...> wrote: > Dear John > > I have read the book. It is the best I've found. Still, it lacks much. > Some that he says are wonderful....like Rohini...are far from that. I've > learned much from my clients. I am hoping that others will have learned and > be willing to share as well. > > One thing I've learned about them is that they can be very literal. One > client whose Sun and Jupiter are in ARdra, in the 10th, neither of whom are > "friends" to the chart makes a verrrry nice living from storms and > destruction. Started out as an adjuster, has worked big disasters, > including Saudi Arabia after the Gulf War. Now, he represents clients who > own commercial properties like apartment buildings. He promises to get them > more from their claim than the insurance company would offer and for that he > makes a %. > > Sun, here, is lord of the 12th and Jupiter lord of the 4th and 7th. > > They are disposited by Mercury, lord of the 10th in the 9th with both Venus > and Saturn making nice yogas so there is support for his success. Still, > isn't it fascinating that his career deals with the aftermath of storms? > > Another woman is an artist. She has several planets in Ardra including > Venus. Her husband is an attorney that works on plane crashes. She became > so fascinated with the photos of the twisted pieces of wreckage that she > began to blow them up and reproduce them on very large canvasses. she sent > me some small prints and it is amazing how beautiful and serene they feel. > One of the great gifts of ARdra at its best is the ability to find beauty > and purpose in the midst of destruction and death. > > Often, ARdra strong is self-centered and assumes that no one understands > their pain. It is essential that they do volunteer work or something to > reach out and get it that they are not the only ones who suffer. It seems > simple, but it is magical. Once they get out of themselves and their own > pain they are amazing at helping others transform pain. The dark side are > the folks who sit and do nothing going over the endless list of events or > people they perceive as thwarting their success. My only suggestion there is > that they make then repeat a list of kindnesses they have been shown and > what they are grateful for. Preferable doing this looking at their own eyes > in a mirror. BTW, this is a huge stretch in the beginning. The > difficulties of Ardra are real and it takes a strong will to transform it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Hey Dietmar, At 01:56 PM 12/15/01 -0800, D. Stoll wrote: > Wendy, I am currently in a Sa-Ve period and Venus rules the >nakshatra containing >Saturn. Does this mean that the significations of Venus (i.e. the houses it >rules), will have a greater emphasis? Broadly speaking, yes, if only because Venus is connected with both BL and DL. But reading nakshatra lordships is fairly tricky. Many who use them will insist that the lordships ought to be read both ways: forwards (what are the nakshatra lords of the bhuktie lord Venus and the dasha lord Saturn) and backwards (what planets are the lords of Venus and Saturn in your chart). So in your chart, Saturn dasha will have some Venus flavouring because Saturn is in a Venus ruled star, and Venus bhuktie will have some Jupiter flavouring because Venus is in a Jupiter ruled star. These are both standard forward links. But reading the rulerships "backwards", you could also say that Venus bhuktie will have some Saturn flavour to it because Venus rules the nakshatra containing Saturn. And one should also note that Saturn dasha may have a Ketu flavour because Ketu rules the nakshtra containing Saturn in your chart. I find this two-way street of nakshatra rulerships a bit suspect if only because there are so many apparent influences to keep track of. And I'm not even convinced they work. But many good astrologers use them this way, so its worth keeping an eye out for this kind of analysis. I think for the moment, I prefer to stick with the more obvious forward analysis and perhaps take that analysis one more step forward, as Wendy suggested, and look at the lord of the lord, or deha of the planet. In your chart, Venus's deha planet would be Mercury and Saturn's would be Jupiter. Tough to know how important these influences are, but again, well worth mulling over. regards, Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Hi Chris, I agree it can be a tricky analysis. But I am wondering if in this line I am quoting from you "should also note that Saturn dasha may have a Ketu flavour because Ketu rules the nakshtra containing Saturn in your chart." you meant "......because Saturn rules the nakshtra containing Ketu in your chart." I may have got it wrong, just curious. You did certainly present a lot of food for thought. Dietmar Christopher Kevill wrote: > Hey Dietmar, > > At 01:56 PM 12/15/01 -0800, D. Stoll wrote: > > Wendy, I am currently in a Sa-Ve period and Venus rules the > >nakshatra containing > >Saturn. Does this mean that the significations of Venus (i.e. the houses it > >rules), will have a greater emphasis? > > Broadly speaking, yes, if only because Venus is connected with both BL and > DL. But reading nakshatra lordships is fairly tricky. Many who use them > will insist that the lordships ought to be read both ways: forwards (what > are the nakshatra lords of the bhuktie lord Venus and the dasha lord > Saturn) and backwards (what planets are the lords of Venus and Saturn in > your chart). So in your chart, Saturn dasha will have some Venus > flavouring because Saturn is in a Venus ruled star, and Venus bhuktie will > have some Jupiter flavouring because Venus is in a Jupiter ruled star. > These are both standard forward links. But reading the rulerships > "backwards", you could also say that Venus bhuktie will have some Saturn > flavour to it because Venus rules the nakshatra containing Saturn. And one > should also note that Saturn dasha may have a Ketu flavour because Ketu > rules the nakshtra containing Saturn in your chart. > > I find this two-way street of nakshatra rulerships a bit suspect if only > because there are so many apparent influences to keep track of. And I'm > not even convinced they work. But many good astrologers use them this way, > so its worth keeping an eye out for this kind of analysis. I think for the > moment, I prefer to stick with the more obvious forward analysis and > perhaps take that analysis one more step forward, as Wendy suggested, and > look at the lord of the lord, or deha of the planet. In your chart, > Venus's deha planet would be Mercury and Saturn's would be Jupiter. Tough > to know how important these influences are, but again, well worth mulling > over. > > regards, > Chris > > Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat > : gjlist- > > > > Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2001 Report Share Posted December 16, 2001 Dietmar, At 02:55 PM 12/16/01 -0800, D. Stoll wrote: >Hi Chris, > > I agree it can be a tricky analysis. But I am wondering if in this line I am >quoting from you "should also note that Saturn dasha may have a Ketu flavour >because Ketu rules the nakshtra containing Saturn in your chart." >you meant "......because Saturn rules the nakshtra containing Ketu in your >chart." I may have got it wrong, just curious. You did certainly present a lot >of food for thought. No, sorry, you're right. I got the backwards connection backwards! Chris > >Dietmar > >Christopher Kevill wrote: > >> Hey Dietmar, >> >> At 01:56 PM 12/15/01 -0800, D. Stoll wrote: >> > Wendy, I am currently in a Sa-Ve period and Venus rules the >> >nakshatra containing >> >Saturn. Does this mean that the significations of Venus (i.e. the houses it >> >rules), will have a greater emphasis? >> >> Broadly speaking, yes, if only because Venus is connected with both BL and >> DL. But reading nakshatra lordships is fairly tricky. Many who use them >> will insist that the lordships ought to be read both ways: forwards (what >> are the nakshatra lords of the bhuktie lord Venus and the dasha lord >> Saturn) and backwards (what planets are the lords of Venus and Saturn in >> your chart). So in your chart, Saturn dasha will have some Venus >> flavouring because Saturn is in a Venus ruled star, and Venus bhuktie will >> have some Jupiter flavouring because Venus is in a Jupiter ruled star. >> These are both standard forward links. But reading the rulerships >> "backwards", you could also say that Venus bhuktie will have some Saturn >> flavour to it because Venus rules the nakshatra containing Saturn. And one >> should also note that Saturn dasha may have a Ketu flavour because Ketu >> rules the nakshtra containing Saturn in your chart. >> >> I find this two-way street of nakshatra rulerships a bit suspect if only >> because there are so many apparent influences to keep track of. And I'm >> not even convinced they work. But many good astrologers use them this way, >> so its worth keeping an eye out for this kind of analysis. I think for the >> moment, I prefer to stick with the more obvious forward analysis and >> perhaps take that analysis one more step forward, as Wendy suggested, and >> look at the lord of the lord, or deha of the planet. In your chart, >> Venus's deha planet would be Mercury and Saturn's would be Jupiter. Tough >> to know how important these influences are, but again, well worth mulling >> over. >> >> regards, >> Chris >> >> Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >> : gjlist- >> >> >> >> Your use of is subject to > > > > >Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya; Hare Krishna; Om Tat Sat >: gjlist- > > > >Your use of is subject to > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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