Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 I was premature...don't know by how much...I'll ask my mother and see if she remembers. Birthdata: (male) October 19, 1939 6:53pm CST Tulsa, Oklahoma, USA 36N00 95W55 Birthtime seems to be very accurate. I would be interested in seeing the process steps listed or, better, applied to my data (or someone else's). ...namaste, David David LaGrone Your AdvoCare Distributor P. O. Box 832736 (972) 930-0802 Richardson, TX 75083-2736 E-mail: dvdlagr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2000 Report Share Posted July 21, 2000 Dear Bhola What do you mean by realtime ? Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th house/lord/karaka etc. I'm giving a personal data for your reference: Long:85E45, Lat:21N45, Time of insemination: 2.00-2.10 hrs 9th March, 1998 Time of Birth of my daughter: 22nd Nov. 1998, 14.20 hrs. My own time of birth: 24th Feb.,1968, 1832 hrs. Other list members are also kindly invited to share their experience in this respect as a single data is not going to prove anything. Of course it is enough to prove invalidity of an assumption. With regards to all swc2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 Hi! Namaskar, I mean the time of insemination. The Muhurta says that when we leave home for important mission, we find auspicious time for when we step out of home. I think the same principle should be applied here. But I am not sure of it too. If other list members has something to suggest? At 04:21 PM 7/21/00 -0500, you wrote: >Dear Bhola > > What do you mean by realtime ? > > Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or > > time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- >this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. > > > The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. >Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th >house/lord/karaka etc. > > > I'm giving a personal data for your reference: > > Long:85E45, Lat:21N45, Time of insemination: 2.00-2.10 hrs > 9th March, 1998 > > Time of Birth of my daughter: 22nd Nov. 1998, 14.20 hrs. > > My own time of birth: 24th Feb.,1968, 1832 hrs. > > Other list members are also kindly invited to share their >experience in this respect as a single data is not going to prove >anything. Of course it is enough to prove invalidity of an assumption. > > > With regards to all > > swc2 > > >------ >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: >http://click./1/7078/1/_/913692/_/964176558/ >------ > > >gjlist- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 I hope I am not coming across too crudely here but there are many instances of nisheka, only very few of which lead to fertilization; therefore, nisheka (insemination, cohabitation) has limited significance. Unless, of course someone were to demonstrate that the nisheka chart indeed shows whether the act would be fruitful (pardon the pun) or not. Fertilization, per se, is an epoch that is difficult if not impossible to determine in most cases, hence is of purely academic importance. We are stuck with birthtime, until then, imprecise as it might be. >Bhola Odari <nbblbrt >gjlist >gjlist >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime >Sun, 23 Jul 2000 11:45:11 +0000 > >Hi! >Namaskar, > >I mean the time of insemination. The Muhurta says that when we leave home >for important >mission, we find auspicious time for when we step out of home. I think the >same principle should be applied here. But I am not sure of it too. If >other list members has something to suggest? > > > > > > >At 04:21 PM 7/21/00 -0500, you wrote: > >Dear Bhola > > > > What do you mean by realtime ? > > > > Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or > > > > time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- > >this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. > > > > > > The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. > >Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th > >house/lord/karaka etc. > > > > > > I'm giving a personal data for your reference: > > > > Long:85E45, Lat:21N45, Time of insemination: 2.00-2.10 hrs > > 9th March, 1998 > > > > Time of Birth of my daughter: 22nd Nov. 1998, 14.20 hrs. > > > > My own time of birth: 24th Feb.,1968, 1832 hrs. > > > > Other list members are also kindly invited to share their > >experience in this respect as a single data is not going to prove > >anything. Of course it is enough to prove invalidity of an assumption. > > > > > > With regards to all > > > > swc2 > > > > > >------ > >Best friends, most artistic, class clown Find 'em here: > >http://click./1/7078/1/_/913692/_/964176558/ > >------ > > > > > >gjlist- > > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2000 Report Share Posted July 24, 2000 In my family we have a new birth event, a pair of little girls..... each of these children were from different mothers and fathers and were incubated in test tubes, so to speak. Then these fertilized eggs were implanted into my sister and she carried them to birth...(3 were implanted, 2 from one set of parents, 1 from a different set, only 1 child from each set of parents survived to birth)..... so now I have the question of the conception time.... if the time of fertilization of the eggs is available would that serve as conception time, or the time of implanting the eggs?....... many eggs are fertilized at this hospital, only some are implanted..... and of course only some of them live to birth. Thank you for your consideration on this issue....... Bonnie << Dear Bhola What do you mean by realtime ? Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th house/lord/karaka etc. >> Personally Customized For You Online...... or in person. Web Site Design and Hosting All Types of Printing, Engraving, Signs, and Imprinting. In person at our location, in Holly Hill, Florida or at your local Greater Daytona Area, Florida business, www.HRMdesign.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Dear Bonnie, You can give some very interesting brain work. Look at it this way. What is conception time in Jyotish? It is called Nisheka and NOT Garbha dharana. Thus the Nisheka time or the time of coapulation is the correct time. this would coincide (say) with the fertilidation of the egg. However, mere fertilisation does not complete the process of Nisheka without a willing (or unwilling! sorry for this harsh truth) mother. Thus, the time of IMPLANTING the pre fertilised eggs would be the time of Nisheka Lagna. If you can give me a series of times and the dates of delivery, i can confirm the correct Nisheka Lagna for them. this will involve some hard work, but it would be worthwhile. My work in this area had come to a complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a blessing to this science. Thanks in anticipation. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - <SheMystery <gjlist > Monday, July 24, 2000 7:06 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime > In my family we have a new birth event, a pair of little girls..... each of > these children were from different mothers and fathers and were incubated in > test tubes, so to speak. Then these fertilized eggs were implanted into my > sister and she carried them to birth...(3 were implanted, 2 from one set of > parents, 1 from a different set, only 1 child from each set of parents > survived to birth)..... so now I have the question of the conception time.... > if the time of fertilization of the eggs is available would that serve as > conception time, or the time of implanting the eggs?....... many eggs are > fertilized at this hospital, only some are implanted..... and of course only > some of them live to birth. > > Thank you for your consideration on this issue....... > > Bonnie > > << Dear Bhola > > What do you mean by realtime ? > > Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or > > time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- > this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. > > > The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. > Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th > house/lord/karaka etc. > >> > > > Personally Customized For You > Online...... or in person. > Web Site Design and Hosting > All Types of Printing, Engraving, > Signs, and Imprinting. > In person at our location, > in Holly Hill, Florida > or at your local Greater > Daytona Area, > Florida business, > www.HRMdesign.com > > ------ > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > Click Here! > http://click./1/7060/1/_/913692/_/964445820/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Just so there is no more continuing confusion: Fertilization (when the two half cells unite and the complete cell from which the baby will form starts its 9 month long journey) can occur minutes (often hours) after ejaculation (nisheka). There is then a variable amount of time before the fertilized complete (committed) cell gets implanted (garbha dharana). MK >"Sanjay Rath" <srath >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime >Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:54:00 +0530 > >Dear Bonnie, > You can give some very interesting brain work. Look at it this way. >What >is conception time in Jyotish? It is called Nisheka and NOT Garbha dharana. >Thus the Nisheka time or the time of coapulation is the correct time. this >would coincide (say) with the fertilidation of the egg. However, mere >fertilisation does not complete the process of Nisheka without a willing >(or >unwilling! sorry for this harsh truth) mother. Thus, the time of IMPLANTING >the pre fertilised eggs would be the time of Nisheka Lagna. > > If you can give me a series of times and the dates of delivery, i can >confirm the correct Nisheka Lagna for them. this will involve some hard >work, but it would be worthwhile. My work in this area had come to a >complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a blessing >to this science. Thanks in anticipation. > >With Best Wishes, >Sanjay Rath >- ><SheMystery ><gjlist > >Monday, July 24, 2000 7:06 PM >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime > > > > In my family we have a new birth event, a pair of little girls..... each >of > > these children were from different mothers and fathers and were >incubated >in > > test tubes, so to speak. Then these fertilized eggs were implanted into >my > > sister and she carried them to birth...(3 were implanted, 2 from one set >of > > parents, 1 from a different set, only 1 child from each set of parents > > survived to birth)..... so now I have the question of the conception >time.... > > if the time of fertilization of the eggs is available would that serve >as > > conception time, or the time of implanting the eggs?....... many eggs >are > > fertilized at this hospital, only some are implanted..... and of course >only > > some of them live to birth. > > > > Thank you for your consideration on this issue....... > > > > Bonnie > > > > << Dear Bhola > > > > What do you mean by realtime ? > > > > Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or > > > > time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets >fertilised- > > this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. > > > > > > The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. > > Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th > > house/lord/karaka etc. > > >> > > > > > > Personally Customized For You > > Online...... or in person. > > Web Site Design and Hosting > > All Types of Printing, Engraving, > > Signs, and Imprinting. > > In person at our location, > > in Holly Hill, Florida > > or at your local Greater > > Daytona Area, > > Florida business, > > www.HRMdesign.com > > > > ------ > > Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > > Click Here! > > http://click./1/7060/1/_/913692/_/964445820/ > > ------ > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Dear Sanjay, I've come out of hiding to let you know that my husband and I , after trying to conceive our second child after 3 yrs, are planning to pursue In vitro Fertilization (IVF) next month. I'll be sure to keep track of the fertilization time and subsequent implantation time and God- willing the birth time for you. I'd be happy to be able to give you something back after everything you have taught us. >My work in this area had come to a >complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a blessing >to this science. Thanks in anticipation. >With Best Wishes, >Sanjay Rath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2000 Report Share Posted July 25, 2000 Thanks for sharing that (assuming that you areplanning to share the data on the list) and it would be interesting to see if the charts indicate the somewhat unusual mode. I would like to wish you all luck with the IVF. MK >"Karen Skoler" <skoler >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime >Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:59:48 -0400 > >Dear Sanjay, >I've come out of hiding to let you know that my husband and I , after >trying >to conceive our second child after 3 yrs, are planning to pursue In vitro >Fertilization (IVF) next month. I'll be sure to keep track of the >fertilization time and subsequent implantation time and God- willing the >birth time for you. I'd be happy to be able to give you something back >after >everything you have taught us. > > >My work in this area had come to a > >complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a >blessing > >to this science. Thanks in anticipation. > > >With Best Wishes, > >Sanjay Rath > > > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 Dear Manas, I'd be happy to share our birth data though it may require some work to verify the birth times. Both our birth times are from our birth certificates but after all these years I am not confident of my husbands chart since the recorded time puts is lagna at 29'28" Taurus. My hunch is his lagna is actually Gemini. He has had several tragedies in his life so it should be fairly easy to rectify to a learned astrologer. For me, completely self-taught, it is hard. Let me compile everything and post a little later. Best Wishes, Karen Manas Kumar <manaskumar gjlist <gjlist > Tuesday, July 25, 2000 8:20 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime >Thanks for sharing that (assuming that you areplanning to share the data on >the list) and it would be interesting to see if the charts indicate the >somewhat unusual mode. I would like to wish you all luck with the IVF. > >MK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Dear Sanjaya Namaskar It would be a great favor to us if you could mention how to find nisheka time from the birth time. Again, for Jyotisha are the nisheka chart and Garbadhana chart important? Bhola Hari om tat sat At 12:54 PM 7/25/00 +0530, you wrote: >Dear Bonnie, > You can give some very interesting brain work. Look at it this way. What >is conception time in Jyotish? It is called Nisheka and NOT Garbha dharana. >Thus the Nisheka time or the time of coapulation is the correct time. this >would coincide (say) with the fertilidation of the egg. However, mere >fertilisation does not complete the process of Nisheka without a willing (or >unwilling! sorry for this harsh truth) mother. Thus, the time of IMPLANTING >the pre fertilised eggs would be the time of Nisheka Lagna. > > If you can give me a series of times and the dates of delivery, i can >confirm the correct Nisheka Lagna for them. this will involve some hard >work, but it would be worthwhile. My work in this area had come to a >complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a blessing >to this science. Thanks in anticipation. > >With Best Wishes, >Sanjay Rath >- ><SheMystery ><gjlist > >Monday, July 24, 2000 7:06 PM >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime > > >> In my family we have a new birth event, a pair of little girls..... each >of >> these children were from different mothers and fathers and were incubated >in >> test tubes, so to speak. Then these fertilized eggs were implanted into my >> sister and she carried them to birth...(3 were implanted, 2 from one set >of >> parents, 1 from a different set, only 1 child from each set of parents >> survived to birth)..... so now I have the question of the conception >time.... >> if the time of fertilization of the eggs is available would that serve as >> conception time, or the time of implanting the eggs?....... many eggs are >> fertilized at this hospital, only some are implanted..... and of course >only >> some of them live to birth. >> >> Thank you for your consideration on this issue....... >> >> Bonnie >> >> << Dear Bhola >> >> What do you mean by realtime ? >> >> Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or >> >> time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- >> this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. >> >> >> The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. >> Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th >> house/lord/karaka etc. >> >> >> >> >> Personally Customized For You >> Online...... or in person. >> Web Site Design and Hosting >> All Types of Printing, Engraving, >> Signs, and Imprinting. >> In person at our location, >> in Holly Hill, Florida >> or at your local Greater >> Daytona Area, >> Florida business, >> www.HRMdesign.com >> >> ------ >> Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. >> Click Here! >> http://click./1/7060/1/_/913692/_/964445820/ >> ------ >> >> >> gjlist- >> >> >> >> > > > > > >gjlist- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2000 Report Share Posted July 27, 2000 Jaya Jagannath Dear Bhola, They are vital. Some time soon when the data starts coming. With Best Wishes, Sanjay Rath - Bhola <nbblbrt <gjlist > Thursday, July 27, 2000 6:25 PM Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime > Dear Sanjaya > Namaskar > > It would be a great favor to us if you could mention how to find nisheka > time from the birth time. > Again, for Jyotisha are the nisheka chart and Garbadhana chart important? > > Bhola > > Hari om tat sat > > > > > At 12:54 PM 7/25/00 +0530, you wrote: > >Dear Bonnie, > > You can give some very interesting brain work. Look at it this way. What > >is conception time in Jyotish? It is called Nisheka and NOT Garbha dharana. > >Thus the Nisheka time or the time of coapulation is the correct time. this > >would coincide (say) with the fertilidation of the egg. However, mere > >fertilisation does not complete the process of Nisheka without a willing (or > >unwilling! sorry for this harsh truth) mother. Thus, the time of IMPLANTING > >the pre fertilised eggs would be the time of Nisheka Lagna. > > > > If you can give me a series of times and the dates of delivery, i can > >confirm the correct Nisheka Lagna for them. this will involve some hard > >work, but it would be worthwhile. My work in this area had come to a > >complete standstill due to the lack of data. People like you are a blessing > >to this science. Thanks in anticipation. > > > >With Best Wishes, > >Sanjay Rath > >- > ><SheMystery > ><gjlist > > >Monday, July 24, 2000 7:06 PM > >Re: [gjlist] Re: Realtime from Birthtime > > > > > >> In my family we have a new birth event, a pair of little girls..... each > >of > >> these children were from different mothers and fathers and were incubated > >in > >> test tubes, so to speak. Then these fertilized eggs were implanted into my > >> sister and she carried them to birth...(3 were implanted, 2 from one set > >of > >> parents, 1 from a different set, only 1 child from each set of parents > >> survived to birth)..... so now I have the question of the conception > >time.... > >> if the time of fertilization of the eggs is available would that serve as > >> conception time, or the time of implanting the eggs?....... many eggs are > >> fertilized at this hospital, only some are implanted..... and of course > >only > >> some of them live to birth. > >> > >> Thank you for your consideration on this issue....... > >> > >> Bonnie > >> > >> << Dear Bhola > >> > >> What do you mean by realtime ? > >> > >> Time of insemination or copulation (Nisheka) or > >> > >> time of conception (Garbhadhana)- when the ovum gets fertilised- > >> this time could even be 6 to 8 hours after the time of copulation. > >> > >> > >> The time of gestation is 10 lunar months i.e. approx. 270 days. > >> Sometimes it may be less depending upon the strength of the 5th > >> house/lord/karaka etc. > >> >> > >> > >> > >> Personally Customized For You > >> Online...... or in person. > >> Web Site Design and Hosting > >> All Types of Printing, Engraving, > >> Signs, and Imprinting. > >> In person at our location, > >> in Holly Hill, Florida > >> or at your local Greater > >> Daytona Area, > >> Florida business, > >> www.HRMdesign.com > >> > >> ------ > >> Great brand name shoes at Zappos.com. > >> Click Here! > >> http://click./1/7060/1/_/913692/_/964445820/ > >> ------ > >> > >> > >> gjlist- > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >gjlist- > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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