Guest guest Posted June 29, 2000 Report Share Posted June 29, 2000 Random points inspired by Dave Birr's mention of sharing ------------------------- I have now 7 years of experience with full time Jyotish programming and promoting of Jyotish. I still don't read charts for anyone really. I'm not a practicing astrologer. I have read many charts to many people, but all on the spontaneity of the moment and 99.99% for free. I believe that if I did charts, I would reject those which did not speak to me. I have found I cannot relate to many charts. I can relate best to ones which speak of karma I can more relate to personally. So I think I would be choosy if I did charts. I do not understand the mood with which astrology is often used and discussed. Like, I cannot relate to thinking that we can fix karma, or change it. That's way too puzzling to me. I can relate to talking about surrender and making the best of the lesson. I have seen, that the main best uses of astrology are: 1. Self illumination- as in "Oh yeah, I am the way I thought". This kindof confirmation happens alot with astrology. I see GOBS of relief come across the face when the person realizes that they were "made that way" and therefore it's not exactly "their fault". This is important. Self illumination. Self realization. Self confirmation. Confirmation of good, as well as bad qualities. This is a big RELIEF to people often, I see. 2. Confirmation of Spiritual Philosophical principles as in the Gita. This is important. Astrology is one of the best proofs I've ever seen for the principles taught in the Gita. This is very important. Jyotish supports Vedic Spiritual Thought big time in my opinion. 3. Understanding each other, so as to navigate with knowledge. In other words, compatibility, but for all purposes. Knowing your karma means knowing more about what colors work for you, who else will be compatible with you, and so on. Self awareness, and awareness of others. I believe Jyotish is the secret seeing weapon of real Brahmins. As they say here in Green Oregon "Stumps Don't Lie". I say, "Jyotish Charts Dont Lie" ! Show me the chart, and I'll know alot about the person. That's one of the key benefits of Jyotish- NO BS! 4. Ultimately, surrender is the fruit of this knowledge. After awhile, like I'm seeing, you just cannot get away from the Divine Plan. Our work is therefore internal mostly. This is all very correct according to Scriptures. It's wonderfully ligning up for me. Dave asked about helping others. The main thing is #1 and #2 above. I have mainly helped others to "know themselves" better. When they see me literally telling them their deepest darkest or brightest realities, and correctly pinpointing dates of past key life events, and discussing their personality and relationships, and it's mostly coming up really correct, and not vague, they get impressed. They get faith. Then I tell them what it means more, bringing in Vedic reasoning and philosophy, and they get great enlightenment and relief. So often I've relieved outcastes for example, from the burden of guilt. Once they hear how the Nodes work, and what they mean, they are relieved, knowing that their differences with most others were meant to be. I explain how that might have a purpose in certain ways, and they get hope. For myself, picture this: I'm going through my life, a very religious boy. They make fun of me. I got to the seminary on the weekends to pray, and listen to talks about becoming a priest. I was very young. I was serious. In college, I'm all into love and God. I cry at Jesus plays. It's deeply in me. I want to know God. I have feelings, very strong. I feel I should give up everything and follow Christ. I feel guilty for being normal. I want to be a priest. I join the HK movement and rise fast. I do alot. Still, is it me, is it my mind, what's going on, is it ego? Then one day, in 93, I suddenly get interested in Jyotish. I run downtown, purchase the books required for manual calculations, and I get started. I calculate mine and my wife and kids charts in that day. I look through the books for readings. I find them. I find mine. I'm shocked. I read it over and over again. Karma Dharma Adi Pati Yoga- religious works. over and over and over... No, it can't be true. Jupiter in the 9th in Sag. Very religious. Very unique placement for connection especially with formal religion. I love it. I read it over and over and over. I can't believe my eyes. This was one of the best days of my life. I thought "I'm not dreaming, I was meant to be this way. I was meant to love God. It's in my chart. That's me. That's what I am. I am religious. Of course. I wasn't dreaming. It's real." This was a very important day in my life. Also, just knowing about Sada Sati. At the moment of Saturns transit on my Moon. I was up on a hill praying to Him, Shani. Just knowing about this "transit hit" moment, made me aware of cosmic reality and it's effects on me. I think that's a gift. Just giving someone their transit hits printout is a gift. So these are some things. It has helped my daughter, who has suffered alot, to know that she has the chart she has. We can discuss her karma freely, as she's that trained at 16. She fully accepts all the Vedic ideas. Her life has been a little hard being burned and all. It's been liberating for her to discuss her exalted malefic Saturn, which dominates the entire chart. To discuss the gifts and drawbacks of that placement, has been illuminating for her. For my son, the "winner", to discuss with him his exalted Venus in the 5th has given him more encouragement in his material pursuits, which is what he's about (not only, but alot). Same with all my friends. I have seen alot of good come from simple "personality confirmation". So this is my initial offering on this subhject. Good call Dave. Thanks for the opp. Love, Das Goravani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2000 Report Share Posted July 2, 2000 Dear Das, If karma was originally created by us (our actions) then we would have to be the ones to discharge, dissolve it and pay the debt of our own doings. So, in this sense only we can open the karmic ledger in most cases. Now, there are accounts of spiritual leaders taking care of the bill of their disciples but our choosing to be subservient to our teachers is the action that we took (consciously or unconsciously) which led to the discharge of our karma. Having said that, the best way to deal with our karma is to address the actions that created the original karma (if you were a sadist, learn to be kind, if you were a doormat, try to be more assertive, if you stole things, give them away in this birthtime) and so, penance, fasting and charity work (money, goods and hard work) is the best way to deal with karma. The current convenient trend of buying a gemstone and thinking it will dissolve the karma will work only if you were not nice to the jeweller in a past birth and the money you paid for the gemstone is an act of atonement! Or maybe the jyotishi who got a fat fee was your abused wife in the last birthtime (I am being tongue in cheek here, so don't get angry with me, folks!). And there is a trend regarding playing around with mantras and chants these days. People come up with six mantras for shani and seventeen for mercury and then get confused which one to use and so on. Even paying back bankloans is not that simple in this reality, so how can long-outstanding accounts (karma) be like that? MK >Das <> >gjlist >gjlist >[gjlist] Brief about the value of Jyotish >Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:01:55 -0700 > >I do not understand the mood with which astrology is often used and >discussed. Like, I cannot relate to thinking that we can fix karma, or >change it. That's way too puzzling to me. I can relate to talking about >surrender and making the best of the lesson. > ______________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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