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Dear List

 

Pranams to everybody.

 

I would like to give my comments about astrology. The Sun represents the

jiva, the soul or the conditioned spirit soul. Life after life, we become

conditioned by rules and regulations and from childhood we become brainwashed

to think that i am this or i am that, i am the best or i am the worst. We

learn good habits and bad habits, and these last ones are very difficult to

break and are full of illusion, which does not allow us to see reality.

 

Greed, anger, lust, etc., are the signs of conditioned souls. We can see

from history how the French out of greed conquered Canada. The British did

it in America. The Spaniards in most of Latinoamerica and the Portuguese in

Brazil. I am more familiar with the Spaniards, They were in the beginning

of their conquest a bunch of drifters without much respect for the natives,

thinking they were the civilised ones and the Indians just animals to

conquer. Well enough, we could say that the Mayas, Aztecs and Incas had

tamasic religions, but they had as well a more advanced astronomical and

astrological knowledge than in Europe at that time. All that valious

knowledge went because the European people's greed almost destroyed

everything in their path. Whatever was not "Christian", was destroyed. In

medicine as well, the local natives had an amazing knowledge on the curative

properties of plants. All that went as well.

 

We have in the West, Western astrology (WA), which has shown some validity in

the planetary language. WA has been struggling for hundreds of years to be

admitted as a science but the many interest against it has been more

powerful. We have seen very good works like those of the Gauquelins and

others.

 

For the past 50 years or so, Vedic astrology (VA) has been infiltrating the

West and now we can see many practitioners around. I bought my first book on

WA in 1970, in a country that had not much facilities to purchase ephemeris.

We could say that it was my bad karma to have encounter WA in the first

place, but i did not have the Vedic option at that time. At that time I had

to consult the ephemeris from the reference library of the astronomy school.

In 1973, i moved to France where i had the opportunity to study the books of

famous French astrologers like Volguine, Barbault and others. It was until

1976 when i had the opportunity to encounter VA books and by then i had been

in contact with Vedic philosophy for 6 years. From the first encounter with

VA, i could see the importance of the science but i never thought that i

wasted my time with WA, i just moved forward.

 

I think that we should respect any science that is giving good to people. If

we start to say that WA is not good and that VA is the only one, we will not

be better than those fanatic conquerors. I have seen that illness in many

institutions that claim that they are the only ones to have the TRUTH. I am

always very suspicious of anybody claiming to be God or that they have the

truth. Monopoly of the truth is an illusion, which we should eradicate. The

truth can appear here or there, it is His property and His copyright. I

think that in essence, we should cultivate tolerance, humility and

co-operation. Instead of fighting against each other, we should learn to

co-operate with each other. In this list we have astrologers from many

countries, either advanced or beginners in the science. We should welcome

everyone because we have the same motivation, which is to learn astrology.

What is the point of being the best Vedic astrologer if we have not

cultivated a nice nature? Our bad habits betray our sincerity. I am not

talking about smoking or even meat eating as being bad habits, i am talking

about our lack of control of our nasty nature. Lets be nice to everyone and

tolerant with those that goes out of order. We are here to help each other,

if we detect that someone is going off, we can call the attention to rectify.

But i think that everybody is following the path, which is more close to

their gunas (nature). From the Bhagavad-Gita, we read that even our religion

is related to our dominant guna. If we change our guna, we will change

everything around us.

 

I have many friends western astrologers and some of them are very good in

their studies. Just recently, British TV showed a programme on WA indicating

that more than 50% of the population read the horoscopes in newspapers and

magazines and the works of some astrologers are impressive. There is one

Western astrologer that predicts the trends in economy with a better accuracy

than the meteorologists predicting the weather. Now, the same astrologer is

moving on to predict the weather and he is good. To me, any science should

be encouraged if we see the benefits of it for humanity. I have seen

students of VA that are not good at predictions and i have seen students of

WA that are very good at it. What is important is the results.

 

I too was against using Uranus, Neptune and Pluto in VA, until i met a

teacher that told me how those planets influence humanity. It started to

make sense to me. From the Vedas we learn that in this universe we have

demigods in charge of many departments just like in government, we have

powerful politicians. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are the residence of Lord

Indra (the Chief of the demigods), Lord Varuna (Superintendent of the oceans)

and Lord Yamaraj (Superintendent of death) respectively. Lord Yamaraj is

also known as Dharmaraj (lord of virtues). In classic astrology, Pluto

co-rules Scorpio with Mars. Scorpio is the 8th sign of the zodiac, which is

related to death, the end of things, inheritances, sexuality , etc. The

heart of Scorpio is the star Antares, and according to Vivian Robson in her

book The Fixed Stars & Constellations in Astrology, Antares was one of the

four Royal stars of Persia in 3 000 BC. (at the beginning of Kali Yuga),

"when as the Watcher of the West it marked the Autumnal Equinox". Opposite

to Antares, we have Aldebaran, called Rohini in Sanskrit and the star of

Krishna. Pluto takes about 248 years in travelling around the zodiac and

every time that it comes into Scorpio, indicates deep changes in humanity.

The peak of those changes happen around the time of the conjunction of Pluto

with Antares. In 1999, Pluto made a triple conjunction with Antares,

indicating the drastic changes to come for humanity in the next few years.

As lord Dharmaraj, Pluto is going to bring drastic and positive changes in

the Legal system, religion and sociological trends (duties). As lord

Yamaraj, Pluto is making many changes in the consciousness of people. If we

look back in history, everytime that Pluto is with Antares, deep changes

follow in humanity. In 1503, Pluto was with Antares and Lord Chaitanya was

in India getting ready to spread Love of Godhead.

 

The Precession of the Equinox takes about 2160 years to cross a sign of the

zodiac, which is the time taken by Pluto to make 8 conjunctions with Antares

in the 8th sign.

 

Regarding Uranus and Neptune, both are now in sidereal Capricorn, the 10th

sign of the zodiac, indicating administration, vocation, profession, karma ,

etc. Little by little a transformation is happening in the administration

level. People in many countries are demanding from their administration, a

fair deal and less corruption.

 

By working as a team, Uranus and Neptune in Capricorn and Pluto in Scorpio

are going to bring huge transformations in human society. We know that the

slower a planet, the deeper the results but in a long term.

 

Best wishes

 

Natabara das

[Guest guest]

Wow. Thanks, Natabara.

 

Love,

 

Vox

[Guest guest]

Natabara and others,

 

Again, those are all nice points, but you still can't deny that a moving

zodiac, is no zodiac. That's ALL I was saying.

 

Somehow I get the mood from you that you are comparing my speaking to

the mood of the Spaniards wasting the Aztecs.

 

Contrary. Using that analogy, you would have to say instead: I'm a

Spaniard who's converted to Aztec, and I'm using everything from both

cultures to wake up the Spaniards to what gross misbehavior they're

engaged in.

 

And if the outers have to do with society transformations in

consciousness, politics, etc., then perhaps that's why the Sages ignored

them. I can see why that would make sense. There's many things that

could be said here. But if they left them out of their public books, I

follow in kind. They are meant to be secret, or ignored.

 

Thanks,

 

Das Goravani