Abandon the Trop. Zod. w/ Full Confidence

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READ THIS. THIS IS NOT BABBLE. IT'S IMPORTANT.

 

 

Author: Das Goravani

Copyright 2000 by Golden Age. .

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Original posting/creation made on/at Jun 28, 2000 10:37 AM Eugene OR USA.

 

 

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Abandon the Tropical Zodiac with Full Confidence

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The very fact that the tropical zodiac CONTINUES to move makes it

irrelevant, since by the nature of astrology, we are comparing

placements to fixed stars. When a Tropical Astrologer says someone born

1000 years ago has "Sun in Taurus", that same position in the sky is now

somewhere else according to the Tropical Zodiac system of calculation.

That should cause some serious pause.

 

If that doesn't bother you, then you must think that the Zodiac is a

seasonal/relative thing, relative to the Earth/Sun relationship, which

is more a type of calendar. If that's the case in your accepted system,

then why do you even bother with the names of the fixed constellations,

and further, why do the effects of your imaginary constellations have

the SAME signification's as our fixed ones, from our truly ancient books?

 

The truth is, your system came from ours, and yours used to align. It's

just a calculation problem, that's all. Someone along the way gave up

accounting for the tilt so to speak, and since then it's gotten more and

more off from what the original was.

 

This is very obvious. This other talk is useless in my opinion.

 

Again, you get enough hits because of the house/planet assignments which

are correct in a broad speaking sense, or we could say, close enough, in

WA to make a counseling session work. That doesn't make it fine

astrology. That just makes it acceptable as a counseling tool.

 

Ultimately, scientifically speaking, here's what's happening:

 

The Zodiac is a bunch of bodies, stars, tons of them. Certain sections,

certain stars, have "radio wavelengths" as all bodies do. These waves

are coming at us. They hit us. Our internal atoms respond to these just

as they respond to gravity. All atoms always know the direction to the

center of all bodies because they feel the gravity, the waves. So, all

things known where "down" is at all times (down is the direction from

any point towards the Earth's center).

 

Similarly, all atoms know where East and West are because all atoms are

spinning in the Easterly direction at a high speed along with the

surface of the Earth on which they are glued by gravity. So all atoms

know down, and east.

 

Then, they feel the wavelengths of the zodiac and planets.

 

If you doubt this, ponder why the Tides happen and why they are highest

when the Sun and Moon align. Think- it's gravity. All planets have it.

Did you know that scientist assume the presence of other planets based

on the orbits of known planets. Read some astronomy books.

 

The planets rays coming in to us, to all atoms, are mixing with the rays

of the ACTUAL stars behind them (from our view) in the zodiac. So

wherever a planet is, that forms a mix or color mix, with the zodiac,

and both of those rays, in their mixed state, arrive at our atoms and

affect them, just like tides, it's happening inside us at all times. You

are a big group of atoms, being pulled around like the tides. Be like

water Bruce Lee would say, and it's true. Go with the flow!

 

So there is no question of using an imaginary zodiac, not if you're at

all aware of the physical reality which is being paralleled in the

metaphysical realizations you're experiencing in your head.

 

As science realizes Astrology, which they will, better than us due to

their carefulness and erudition, and FINANCING, they will find it to be

this way. It's a ray based system, not something "imaginary" or

"subtle". Everything is intertwined. For example, the following

statement is true:

 

"Anything that happens at a certain point in space at a certain time,

represents the sum total of all reality in this creation for that given

point and time."

 

That is the crux of astrology. And this is a true statement. Call it

Quantum Physics or Das's Head, who care, it's true.

 

If it weren't true, that thing could not/would not manifest at that

point and time.

 

Because siderealists use the REAL zodiac, they are more accurate.

Astrology is about accuracy. I don't know why anyone would hold onto and

defend some form of astrology which is less accurate. Sounds like ego

and attachment alone, like "We spent alot of time defending the flat

world theory, so now we're going to die defending it, even though it's

been proven wrong".

 

Think Physics. Think pulsating stars and other bodies generating radio

and other waves. Realize you are made of atoms of energy responding to

other waves in the field. It's science. It's not imaginary. Hard

material is made from energy reacting to energy- like coal turning to

diamond. You are that coal, you are responding to wavelengths that you

are under. You are under real stars. Study the real stars. Abandon the

Tropical Zodiac misconception with full confidence.

 

Once you got that down, you can work on accepting that Divinity has a

brain, knows all about what it created, and is trying to reveal Himself

AND Herself to you since time immemorial, in the Vedas and through the

devotees who are in the disciplic successions who have preserved and

never abandoned the original teachings, which if followed, would have

produced Peace on Earth since time immemorial, and when followed,

produce Peace inside us.

 

Sincerely,

 

Das Goravani

 

 

 

 

 

 

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"Goravani Jyotish"

Vedic/Hindu Astrology Software

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Dear Das,

 

Everybody on this list should write down and remember your posting.

This is true wisdom. Jyotish was, and is still based on true

astronomy. That's why I say you can never be a real astrologer until

you understand the Nakshatras or fixed constellations.

 

Planets located in a fixed star show how it functions on a deeper

level. The planets move around this backdrop of the Nakshatras. I

personally can never accept two zodiacs, therefore, I have no time

for people who claim to use both. The people I have seen who do this,

only do it to stay in sweet with the western astrologers or to get

invited to seminars. They are playing both sides because Vedic

astrology is still not quite mainstream or lucrative enough yet.

 

I challenge any western astrologer to post the chart up of a

prominent world figure we know the correct time of birth for. Then

post a reading based on tropical zodiac planetary positions. I will

then post a reading based on sidereal positions. People can then

decide what is real and what is psychological guess work. I await

your response. If I have upset any western astrologers again, bad

luck!!

 

As my Guru Yogaswami said... "It takes a strong fire to burn up all

the rubbish"

 

regards Skinbags.

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Das In the Hindu scriptures when the lord of death is questioned about the

Devas in charge of the planetary lokas,does he not answer,"ignorant ones due

to their deep attachment toward wealth and enjoyment,become deluded and think

this planet alone exists and that there are no other lokas,that one need not

think about any good actions or preparations for life after death as this

earth alone is everything.Such foolish ones come under my rod again again by

revolving in the death-rebirth cycle."B.V. Raman suggets that the past birth

can be determined by the ruler of the decante occupied by the sun or

moon,whichever is more powerful,and accordingly the particular loka the soul

has come from.So do the planets have influence due to our memories of our

soul experiences in the various lokas.Thus astrology becomes a study of

patterns of soul growth in the planetary schoolroom. dave Birr

[Guest guest]

All very good with one provision ; if we are to go purely by the stars then we

must give up the signs , for the zodiacal constellations are not of twelve

thirty degree signs ( which is why the nakshatras are the true ancient system of

astrology , after the individual stars themselves naturally ) . Chandra precedes

Surya ( though not Agni I hasten to add ) .Namaste indeed .

 

 

Martin Howe

KIRKWALL

Orkney

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste! I have joined the list yesterday so have missed all the earlier

part of this discussion. It seems there are some who wish to apply jyotish

rules to tropical zodiac, right?

 

You seem to imply that historically, nakshatra based zodiac was used before

the sign-based zodiac. This is most interesting. How has this been

determined or established?

 

Thanks

 

MK

 

 

>"Martin Howe" <fufluns

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>Re: [gjlist] Abandon the Trop. Zod. w/ Full Confidence

>Thu, 29 Jun 2000 17:22:27 +0100

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>All very good with one provision ; if we are to go purely by the stars then

>we must give up the signs , for the zodiacal constellations are not of

>twelve thirty degree signs ( which is why the nakshatras are the true

>ancient system of astrology , after the individual stars themselves

>naturally ) . Chandra precedes Surya ( though not Agni I hasten to add )

>.Namaste indeed .

>

>

>Martin Howe

>KIRKWALL

>Orkney

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