Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2000 Dear all, I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following subject: I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that the graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for ex. one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava with Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? Thanks Jai Gurudev Zeljka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 2, 2000 Dear Zeljka, Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a horoscope. After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will manifest, so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give little effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good depending upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree of an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) can be very harmful for health. Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken in the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps to determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more core it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna the more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it looks rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, your shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should is strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. Take Care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net - mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec gjlist <gjlist > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear all, > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following subject: > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that the graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for ex. one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava with Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > Thanks > Jai Gurudev > Zeljka > > ------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 3, 2000 Dear Ernst, I really enjoy in your postings.However,I must disagree here. Mritavasta stands for collapse.Planet in mritavasta will manifest 100% negative effects,as far as Baaladhi avastas are concerned. The degree of manifestation will depend on shadbal.Please, see SatyaJatakam, Karakamsa is the gateway to determine ishtadevata.12 house from karakamsa describes the ishtadevata or "the door to Moksha" Planets in trines to karakamsa describe tendencies inherited from the previous births.If placed in trines to navamsa lagna as well,they will surely mould the life of the person. With kind regards, Zoran Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > Dear Zeljka, > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a horoscope. > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will manifest, > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give little > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good depending > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree of > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) can > be very harmful for health. > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken in > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps to > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more core > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna the > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it looks > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, your > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should is > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. > > Take Care, > Ernst > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net > - > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > gjlist <gjlist > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > Dear all, > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following > subject: > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that the > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for ex. > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava with > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > Thanks > > Jai Gurudev > > Zeljka > > > > ------ > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > ------ > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > ------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don’t. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957283860/ > ------ > > > gjlist- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2000 Dear Zoran, I wholeheartedly agree with you the the 12th from the Karakamsa is of most importance for one's Ishta Devata and that the trines are also very important. I tried to find stuff on Balaadi Avasthasa in Satya Jataka, I only found stuff on Deeptaadi avasthas. IF you do know the slokas in Satya Jataka on this point I would very much like to read them. Other then that the two works (Brihat Parashara Hora Sastra and Jattva Tattva) that I have on the Balaadi avasthas describe them only as giving degrees of effects, so I would really like to read any other slokas that may give some hints on other uses of these avasthas. Thank you and Take care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net - Zoran Radosavljevic <satya <gjlist > Wednesday, May 03, 2000 5:06 PM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Ernst, > I really enjoy in your postings.However,I must disagree here. > Mritavasta stands for collapse.Planet in mritavasta will manifest > 100% negative effects,as far as Baaladhi avastas are concerned. > The degree of manifestation will depend on shadbal.Please, > see SatyaJatakam, > Karakamsa is the gateway to determine ishtadevata.12 house from > karakamsa describes the ishtadevata or "the door to Moksha" > Planets in trines to karakamsa describe tendencies inherited from > the previous births.If placed in trines to navamsa lagna as well,they > will surely mould the life of the person. > With kind regards, > Zoran > > Ernst Wilhelm wrote: > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a horoscope. > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will manifest, > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give little > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good depending > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree of > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) can > > be very harmful for health. > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken in > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps to > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more core > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna the > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it looks > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, your > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should is > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. > > > > Take Care, > > Ernst > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net > > - > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > gjlist <gjlist > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following > > subject: > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that the > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for ex. > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava with > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > Thanks > > > Jai Gurudev > > > Zeljka > > > > > > ------ > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957283860/ > > ------ > > > > > > gjlist- > > > ------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > http://click./1/3012/0/_/913692/_/957399272/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 4, 2000 Dear Ernst, > I wholeheartedly agree with you the the 12th from the Karakamsa is of > most importance for one's Ishta Devata and that the trines are also very > important. I tried to find stuff on Balaadi Avasthasa in Satya Jataka, I > only found stuff on Deeptaadi avasthas. Yes,sorry,the reference was on deeptaadi avastas,however,my intention was to point out the relationship of avastas and shadbal.THe same holds true in case of balaadhi avastas.Look at Brihat Parshara Hora shastra in chapter 11.shlokas 14-16.which indicate that a house whose lord is placed in kumar or yuv avastas flourish,and those whose lord is found in vriddha or mritavasta decline.There are also references in other classical texts.However,we should all be aware of the fact,that minority of jyotisha texts are translated into english.So we all have to relay on traditional jyotishas coming from a long family linage. One more note on neecha planets: In Kali Yuga neecha/uchch planets give RajYog, That is the reason why so many famous people have them in the chart.On the other hand,planetary dignity is just a part of overall planetary strenght/quality.You noticed that excellently. Best wishes, Zoran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2000 Dear Zoran, again I agree with you, using avasthas without Shad-Bala is misleading. In fact I use the Shad-bala, IShta and Kashta, SUbha and Asubhankas and then the Balaadia avasthas and the residential strength of a planet to determine the extent of effects. It is a lot of work to calculate though, unfortuneatly. Here is a question, since you seem to enjoy avasthas. What about awakening, sleeping, dreaming states? I have only seen information on those in Brihat Parashra Hora Sastra and Jataka Parijata, with Jataka Parijata taking them in the navamsa. Take Care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net - Zoran Radosavljevic <satya <gjlist > Thursday, May 04, 2000 4:41 PM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Ernst, > > > I wholeheartedly agree with you the the 12th from the Karakamsa is of > > most importance for one's Ishta Devata and that the trines are also very > > important. I tried to find stuff on Balaadi Avasthasa in Satya Jataka, I > > only found stuff on Deeptaadi avasthas. > > Yes,sorry,the reference was on deeptaadi avastas,however,my intention > was > to point out the relationship of avastas and shadbal.THe same holds true > in > case of balaadhi avastas.Look at Brihat Parshara Hora shastra in chapter > 11.shlokas 14-16.which indicate that a house whose lord is placed in > kumar or > yuv avastas flourish,and those whose lord is found in vriddha or > mritavasta > decline.There are also references in other classical texts.However,we > should > all be aware of the fact,that minority of jyotisha texts are translated > into > english.So we all have to relay on traditional jyotishas coming from a > long family > linage. > One more note on neecha planets: In Kali Yuga neecha/uchch planets give > RajYog, > That is the reason why so many famous people have them in the chart.On > the other > hand,planetary dignity is just a part of overall planetary > strenght/quality.You > noticed that excellently. > Best wishes, > Zoran > > > > ------ > Get your money connected @ OnMoney.com - the first Web site that lets > you see and manage all of your finances all in one place. > http://click./1/3012/0/_/913692/_/957490397/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2000 Dear Ernst, I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart and not the Rasi chart. Some points: LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW TERM CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, TECHNICALLY, LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS TO THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS PURPOSE ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA IS SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS USED IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Ernst Wilhelm <ernst <gjlist > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Zeljka, > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a horoscope. > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will manifest, > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give little > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good depending > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree of > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) can > be very harmful for health. > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken in > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps to > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more core > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna the > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it looks > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, your > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should is > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. > > Take Care, > Ernst > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net > - > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > gjlist <gjlist > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > Dear all, > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following > subject: > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that the > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for ex. > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava with > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > Thanks > > Jai Gurudev > > Zeljka > > > > ------ > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > ------ > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > ------ > Get paid for the stuff you know! > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957283860/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 5, 2000 Dear Ernst, > again I agree with you, using avasthas without Shad-Bala is misleading. > In fact I use the Shad-bala, IShta and Kashta, SUbha and Asubhankas and then > the Balaadia avasthas and the residential strength of a planet to determine > the extent of effects. It is a lot of work to calculate though, > unfortuneatly. Yes,I am happy to hear that.A lot of calculation,but Parasara is clear about this.Planetary dignity in rashi chart is one thing.To know the whole situation in varga charts,Parasara explained various things such as Ista/kasta,subha/asubhapankas etc..One needs to take all this stuff into account for a planetary evaluation. > Here is a question, since you seem to enjoy avasthas. What about > awakening, sleeping, dreaming states? I have only seen information on those > in Brihat Parashra Hora Sastra and Jataka Parijata, with Jataka Parijata > taking them in the navamsa. I attach as much as significance to avastas as to other matters such as dignity, ishta/kashta/panktis etc...These three avastas are very similar to dignity. Planet in exaltaion/own sign is waking,and once you have noticed its position in high dignity,it is not necessary to consider its position in waking state,since both effects are similar.However,planet in dreaming state is capable of producing positive effects,eventhough the planets in friendly/neutral dignity are found in this avasta. Planet in neutral dignity is stated to be in deen avasta which gives slightly negative effects,but in dreaming state it is still capable of producing positive effects.That is the main difference.I think that reference to these three avastas are given for a quick evaluation of planet,without an ordeal to calculate full dignity of a planet.Furthermore, the preference is given to a permanent friendship,in comparison to avastas calulated according to combined permanent and temporary friendship(deeptadhi).Basically,I seriously take into account,baaladhi,lajitadhi,deeptadhi and sayanadhi avastas. Best wishes, Zoran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2000 Dear Zoran, ONce again I Agree with you on the use of the Avasthas, I have found, like you the Balaadi, Deeptaadi, Sayanaadi, and Lajittaadi avasthas to hold true and be extremely important., THe Awakening, etc, avasthas have seemed redundant so i haven't applied them, but i can't help to feel they have some important use of thier own. Take Care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net > I attach as much as significance to avastas as to other matters such as dignity, > > ishta/kashta/panktis etc...These three avastas are very similar to dignity. > Planet in exaltaion/own sign is waking,and once you have noticed its position > in high dignity,it is not necessary to consider its position in waking > state,since both > effects are similar.However,planet in dreaming state is capable of producing > positive > effects,eventhough the planets in friendly/neutral dignity are found in this > avasta. > Planet in neutral dignity is stated to be in deen avasta which gives slightly > negative > effects,but in dreaming state it is still capable of producing positive > effects.That is > the main difference.I think that reference to these three avastas are given for > a quick > evaluation of planet,without an ordeal to calculate full dignity of a > planet.Furthermore, > the preference is given to a permanent friendship,in comparison to avastas > calulated > according to combined permanent and temporary friendship(deeptadhi).Basically,I > seriously > take into account,baaladhi,lajitadhi,deeptadhi and sayanadhi avastas. > Best wishes, > Zoran > > > ------ > eGroups eLerts > It's Easy. It's Fun. Best of All, it's Free! > http://click./1/3863/1/_/913692/_/957569230/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 6, 2000 Dear Sanjay, I know that therte is considerable debate over what the correct svamsa/karakamsa is. I have to first say that i have bennefitted greatly from your translation of Upadesa SUtras, and i do recognize that you have done a lot of original work on the SUtras for which you are to be appreciated. When it comes to the Svamsa/Karakamsa I read the chart from both the navamsa of the AK and that rasi placed in the Rasi Chakra, my researches have convinced me that using both gives me the best results. I find that often when there is a disagreement that the truth lies somewhere in the middle and in this case I have found that both work. Other then I hope that your fortune with your writing on the Sutras will continue, Ernst - Sanjay Rath <srath <gjlist > Friday, May 05, 2000 10:47 AM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Ernst, > I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the > navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka > treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart and > not the Rasi chart. > > Some points: > LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW TERM > CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, TECHNICALLY, > LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. > HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS TO > THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. > USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS PURPOSE > ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. > > THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO > 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU > 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. > > WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE > LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA IS > SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS USED > IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). > NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS > KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > <gjlist > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a horoscope. > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will manifest, > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give > little > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good > depending > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree > of > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) > can > > be very harmful for health. > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken in > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps to > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more > core > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna > the > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it looks > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, > your > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should is > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. > > > > Take Care, > > Ernst > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net > > - > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > gjlist <gjlist > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the following > > subject: > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that > the > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for > ex. > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava > with > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > Thanks > > > Jai Gurudev > > > Zeljka > > > > > > ------ > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2000 Dear Ernst, I agree with you that there is some truth in seeing the Rasi sign occupied by the Atmakaraka in Navamsa. What I am objecting to is the terminology. This should be "KARAKAMSAKA" instead of Karakamsa i.e. an additional "KA" at the end will do so that there is no confusion in the future generations. If possible, please try to convince KNR also into adapting the correct terminology. Thank you for your reference to my works. I am planning to update it with an exhaustive commentary. Best Wishes Sanjay Rath - Ernst Wilhelm <ernst <gjlist > Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:46 PM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Sanjay, > I know that therte is considerable debate over what the correct > svamsa/karakamsa is. I have to first say that i have bennefitted greatly > from your translation of Upadesa SUtras, and i do recognize that you have > done a lot of original work on the SUtras for which you are to be > appreciated. When it comes to the Svamsa/Karakamsa I read the chart from > both the navamsa of the AK and that rasi placed in the Rasi Chakra, my > researches have convinced me that using both gives me the best results. I > find that often when there is a disagreement that the truth lies somewhere > in the middle and in this case I have found that both work. > Other then I hope that your fortune with your writing on the Sutras will > continue, > > Ernst > - > Sanjay Rath <srath > <gjlist > > Friday, May 05, 2000 10:47 AM > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > Dear Ernst, > > I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the > > navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka > > treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart > and > > not the Rasi chart. > > > > Some points: > > LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW > TERM > > CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, TECHNICALLY, > > LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. > > HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS TO > > THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. > > USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS PURPOSE > > ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. > > > > THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO > > 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU > > 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. > > > > WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE > > LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA IS > > SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS > USED > > IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). > > NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS > > KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > > > - > > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > > <gjlist > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM > > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a > horoscope. > > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will > manifest, > > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give > > little > > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good > > depending > > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last degree > > of > > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of Mrityavastha) > > can > > > be very harmful for health. > > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position taken > in > > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it helps > to > > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the more > > core > > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the lagna > > the > > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as a > > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it > looks > > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the lagna, > > your > > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your should > is > > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is broken, > > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do much. > > > > > > Take Care, > > > Ernst > > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? > www.vedic astrology.net > > > - > > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > > gjlist <gjlist > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the > following > > > subject: > > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere that > > the > > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if for > > ex. > > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean that > > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. bhava > > with > > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jai Gurudev > > > > Zeljka > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the site! > > > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2000 Dear Ernst, I have missed to see that you stated in your previous posting that karakamsa is to be seen in rasi chart.I am aware of the concept of Shri K.N.Rao who is with no doubts a great jyotishi.I admire him much.However,atmakaraka kundali in rasi chart has some other uses in longevity assesment etc.Please, study Sanjay's posting carefully. We shouldn't make a great mix,and use each lagna and each chart for general effects. With best regards, Zoran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2000 Dear Ernst, I have missed to see that you stated in your previous posting that karakamsa is to be seen in rasi chart.I am aware of the concept of Shri K.N.Rao who is with no doubts a great jyotishi.I admire him much.However,atmakaraka kundali in rasi chart has some other uses in longevity assesment etc.Please, study Sanjay's posting carefully. We shouldn't make a great mix,and use each lagna and each chart for general effects. With best regards, Zoran Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2000 Dear Sanjay, I agree that there is a need to straighten out some of the terminology with reference to svamsa etc. Karakamsaka sounds good to me. Though you have asked me to convince KNRao into adapting his terminology, I have no correspondence with him. Take Care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net - Sanjay Rath <srath <gjlist > Sunday, May 07, 2000 9:22 AM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Ernst, > I agree with you that there is some truth in seeing the Rasi sign occupied > by the Atmakaraka in Navamsa. What I am objecting to is the terminology. > This should be "KARAKAMSAKA" instead of Karakamsa i.e. an additional "KA" at > the end will do so that there is no confusion in the future generations. > > If possible, please try to convince KNR also into adapting the correct > terminology. Thank you for your reference to my works. I am planning to > update it with an exhaustive commentary. > Best Wishes > Sanjay Rath > > - > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > <gjlist > > Saturday, May 06, 2000 9:46 PM > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > Dear Sanjay, > > I know that therte is considerable debate over what the correct > > svamsa/karakamsa is. I have to first say that i have bennefitted greatly > > from your translation of Upadesa SUtras, and i do recognize that you have > > done a lot of original work on the SUtras for which you are to be > > appreciated. When it comes to the Svamsa/Karakamsa I read the chart from > > both the navamsa of the AK and that rasi placed in the Rasi Chakra, my > > researches have convinced me that using both gives me the best results. I > > find that often when there is a disagreement that the truth lies somewhere > > in the middle and in this case I have found that both work. > > Other then I hope that your fortune with your writing on the Sutras > will > > continue, > > > > Ernst > > - > > Sanjay Rath <srath > > <gjlist > > > Friday, May 05, 2000 10:47 AM > > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > Dear Ernst, > > > I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the > > > navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka > > > treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart > > and > > > not the Rasi chart. > > > > > > Some points: > > > LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW > > TERM > > > CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, > TECHNICALLY, > > > LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. > > > HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS > TO > > > THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. > > > USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS > PURPOSE > > > ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. > > > > > > THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO > > > 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU > > > 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. > > > > > > WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE > > > LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA > IS > > > SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS > > USED > > > IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). > > > NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS > > > KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. > > > Best Wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > - > > > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > > > <gjlist > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM > > > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a > > horoscope. > > > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will > > manifest, > > > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give > > > little > > > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good > > > depending > > > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last > degree > > > of > > > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of > Mrityavastha) > > > can > > > > be very harmful for health. > > > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position > taken > > in > > > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it > helps > > to > > > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the > more > > > core > > > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the > lagna > > > the > > > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as > a > > > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it > > looks > > > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the > lagna, > > > your > > > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your > should > > is > > > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is > broken, > > > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do > much. > > > > > > > > Take Care, > > > > Ernst > > > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? > > www.vedic astrology.net > > > > - > > > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > > > gjlist <gjlist > > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the > > following > > > > subject: > > > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere > that > > > the > > > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if > for > > > ex. > > > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean > that > > > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. > bhava > > > with > > > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Jai Gurudev > > > > > Zeljka > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 7, 2000 Dear Zoran, I agree that we shouldn't make a mix of all the charts. I use the svamsa, etc, only in respect to the effects given in Upadesa Sutras, which is plenty. Take Care, Ernst Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? www.vedic astrology.net - Zoran Radosavljevic <satya <gjlist > Sunday, May 07, 2000 4:56 PM Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > Dear Ernst, > I have missed to see that you stated in your previous posting that > karakamsa is to be seen in rasi chart.I am aware of the concept of > Shri K.N.Rao who is with no doubts a great jyotishi.I admire him > much.However,atmakaraka kundali in rasi chart has some other uses > in longevity assesment etc.Please, study Sanjay's posting carefully. > We shouldn't make a great mix,and use each lagna and each chart > for general effects. > With best regards, > Zoran > > ------ > 72% off on Name brand Watches! > Come and buy today and get free shipping! > http://click./1/4011/1/_/913692/_/957744317/ > ------ > > > gjlist- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted May 8, 2000 Dear Ernst, When you say both are working, there could be a problem somewhere, somehow. How both are working ? Either one of them has to work. Without entering into debate in the matter, I state here that I use Karakamsha the way, Shri K.N. Rao advocates and which he has amply justified in his book, Karakamsha and Mandook Dasha, and find it working for me. Sanjay holds the traditional view in this matter and if it is working for him, it is fine be me. There is nothing wrong to differ in astrology because the difference of opinion always brings forth some new light on the issue. But to differ for the sake of differing can bring in disharmony. Therefore, your statement that something more is required to define this is like a breather. What could be that something more. That something more could be practical understanding of these terms by their applications in the charts. regards, Manoj >"Ernst Wilhelm" <ernst >gjlist ><gjlist > >Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas >Sat, 6 May 2000 09:16:46 -0700 > >Dear Sanjay, > I know that therte is considerable debate over what the correct >svamsa/karakamsa is. I have to first say that i have bennefitted greatly >from your translation of Upadesa SUtras, and i do recognize that you have >done a lot of original work on the SUtras for which you are to be >appreciated. When it comes to the Svamsa/Karakamsa I read the chart from >both the navamsa of the AK and that rasi placed in the Rasi Chakra, my >researches have convinced me that using both gives me the best results. I >find that often when there is a disagreement that the truth lies somewhere >in the middle and in this case I have found that both work. > Other then I hope that your fortune with your writing on the Sutras >will >continue, > >Ernst >- >Sanjay Rath <srath ><gjlist > >Friday, May 05, 2000 10:47 AM >Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > Dear Ernst, > > I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the > > navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka > > treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart >and > > not the Rasi chart. > > > > Some points: > > LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW >TERM > > CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, >TECHNICALLY, > > LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. > > HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS >TO > > THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. > > USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS >PURPOSE > > ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. > > > > THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO > > 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU > > 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. > > > > WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE > > LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA >IS > > SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS >USED > > IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). > > NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS > > KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. > > Best Wishes > > Sanjay Rath > > > > - > > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > > <gjlist > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM > > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a >horoscope. > > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will >manifest, > > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give > > little > > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good > > depending > > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last >degree > > of > > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of >Mrityavastha) > > can > > > be very harmful for health. > > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position >taken >in > > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it >helps >to > > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the >more > > core > > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the >lagna > > the > > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as >a > > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it >looks > > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the >lagna, > > your > > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your >should >is > > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is >broken, > > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do >much. > > > > > > Take Care, > > > Ernst > > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? >www.vedic astrology.net > > > - > > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > > gjlist <gjlist > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the >following > > > subject: > > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere >that > > the > > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if >for > > ex. > > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean >that > > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. >bhava > > with > > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jai Gurudev > > > > Zeljka > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. And get $10 to spend on the >site! > > > > http://click./1/2200/0/_/913692/_/957256256/ > > > > > ------ > > > > > > > > > > > > gjlist- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >------ > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. 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Guest guest Report post Posted May 15, 2000 Dear Manoj, > Therefore, your statement that something more is required to define this is > like a breather. What could be that something more. That something more > could be practical understanding of these terms by their applications in the > charts. I agree, the insights that can be gained from understanding the concepts behind a given technique can be priceless, if those concepts work in practical application. I read the horoscope from both tthe karakamsa in the rasi and navamsa cause it simply has worked better for me and with only the use of one of them some things where not as readily apparent as using both. I consider the domininate influence of the planets and look for confluence from these two points to support each other and indicate the strongest them among the many themes in a nativity. Take Care, Ernst > regards, > > Manoj > >"Ernst Wilhelm" <ernst > >gjlist > ><gjlist > > >Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > >Sat, 6 May 2000 09:16:46 -0700 > > > >Dear Sanjay, > > I know that therte is considerable debate over what the correct > >svamsa/karakamsa is. I have to first say that i have bennefitted greatly > >from your translation of Upadesa SUtras, and i do recognize that you have > >done a lot of original work on the SUtras for which you are to be > >appreciated. When it comes to the Svamsa/Karakamsa I read the chart from > >both the navamsa of the AK and that rasi placed in the Rasi Chakra, my > >researches have convinced me that using both gives me the best results. I > >find that often when there is a disagreement that the truth lies somewhere > >in the middle and in this case I have found that both work. > > Other then I hope that your fortune with your writing on the Sutras > >will > >continue, > > > >Ernst > >- > >Sanjay Rath <srath > ><gjlist > > >Friday, May 05, 2000 10:47 AM > >Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > Dear Ernst, > > > I beg to disagree with your definition of Karakamsa. Karakamsa is the > > > navamsa sign of the atmakarak Planet (One among the eight Chara Karaka > > > treated as the Lagna for the Atma Gati). It is SEEN in the Navamsa chart > >and > > > not the Rasi chart. > > > > > > Some points: > > > LAGNAMSA IS NAVAMSA OF LAGNA. THAT IS WHERE I TRIED TO INTRODUCE A NEW > >TERM > > > CALLED AMSA-LAGNA TO DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM LAGNAMSA. HOWEVER, > >TECHNICALLY, > > > LAGNAMSA SIMPLY MEANS LAGNA + AMSA.KETHVAMSA MEANS THE NAVAMSA OF KETU. > > > HOWEVER IF THE SLOKA SAYS SUN TRANSITS KETVAMSA, THEN THE REFERENCE IS > >TO > > > THE TRANSIT OF THE SUN IN THE NAVAMSA OF THE RASI SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU. > > > USAGE IS VITAL AND THAT IS WHY I TRIED TO COIN A NEW TERM FOR THIS > >PURPOSE > > > ELSE WHEN WE STUDY BRIGHU EVERYTHING WILL GO HAYWARE. > > > > > > THUS, KETVAMSA CAN REFER TO > > > 1. THE NAVAMSA SIGN OCCUPIED BY KETU > > > 2. THE SIGN IN THE NAVAMSA CHART OCCUPIED BY KETU IN THE RASI CHART. > > > > > > WHERE KN RAO HAS GONE WRONG IS THE DIFFERENT WORD "AMSA-KA". LIKE > > > LAGNAMSAKA. FOR EXAMPLE, MY HOROSCOPE LAGNA IS PISCES AND NAVAMSA LAGNA > >IS > > > SCORPIO. THEN THE SIGN SCORPIO IN THE RASI CHART IS LAGNAMSAKA. THIS IS > >USED > > > IN LAGNAMSAKA DASA...LET THIS BE (NO QUESTIONS ON THIS DASA PLEASE). > > > NOW SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN KN RAO & ME: FOR HIM THE "KARAKAMSAKA" IS > > > KARAKAMSA, WHICH IS WRONG. > > > Best Wishes > > > Sanjay Rath > > > > > > - > > > Ernst Wilhelm <ernst > > > <gjlist > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:34 PM > > > Re: [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > Dear Zeljka, > > > > > > > > Mrityavastha and others of like nature help us to quantify a > >horoscope. > > > > After judging what effects a planet has to offer in a horosocpe the > > > > Mrityavastha, etc. allows us to see how much of that effect will > >manifest, > > > > so a planet indicating a malefic result, if in Mrityavastha will give > > > little > > > > effects. BUt just becasue Saturn is neecha doesn't meen he has malefic > > > > effects to give, harship certainly, but his effects could be good > > > depending > > > > upon his yogas, but whatever they are they will be less as he is in > > > > Mrityaavastha. ONe note, plants in Mrityavasta, when in the last > >degree > > > of > > > > an odd sign or first degree of an even sign, (at eh end of > >Mrityavastha) > > > can > > > > be very harmful for health. > > > > Karakamsa lagna is created by the atmakarakas navamsa position > >taken > >in > > > > the rasi chakra. THis point moves relatively slowly, therefore it > >helps > >to > > > > determine the foundation of the horscope. The slower the lagna the > >more > > > core > > > > it is to the native and the less changealbe it is, the faster the > >lagna > > > the > > > > more it deals with diffentiating details. SO consider the Karakamsa as > >a > > > > foundation lagna on whihc th rest of the horoscope stands upon. IF the > > > > karakamsa lagna is good the horoscope will generally be strong, if the > > > > karakamsa lagna is afflicted th ehoroscope will be weak, even if it > >looks > > > > rather strong from the lagna. Imagine your arm, your hand is the > >lagna, > > > your > > > > shoulder is the karakamsa lagna, if your hand is broken but your > >should > >is > > > > strong you can stil do a lot iwth your arm, if your shoulder is > >broken, > > > > however, even if you have a perfect hand, you won't be able to do > >much. > > > > > > > > Take Care, > > > > Ernst > > > > Interested in learning more about Vedic Astrology? > >www.vedic astrology.net > > > > - > > > > mtc d.d. nabava <medjimurska-trikotaza-cakovec > > > > gjlist <gjlist > > > > > Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:30 AM > > > > [gjlist] 5 avastas > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > I have just started to study Jyotish. Please help me with the > >following > > > > subject: > > > > > I have followed the discussion about 5 avastas. I read somewhere > >that > > > the > > > > graha in Mrithavasta cannot express her potential. How does apply if > >for > > > ex. > > > > one has Sani both debilitated and in Mrithavasta? Doesn't that mean > >that > > > > (according to above quoted source) this Sani cannot express his extra > > > > malefic status? And how this status works in yuti? > > > > > I also want to now how does one read Navamsa chart with Surya in > > > > Mrithavasta in 8. bhava and Budh debilitated in Mrithavasta in 6. > >bhava > > > with > > > > Rahu (Sani is also debilitated in 7. bhava with Sukra). > > > > > Can anyone explain the meaning of Karakamsha chart? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > Jai Gurudev > > > > > Zeljka > > > > > > > > > > > > ------ > > > > > Get paid for the stuff you know! > > > > > Get answers for the stuff you don't. 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