Pukhraj v/s Pusparag (white color)

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Sriman Chandrashekhar,

 

Namaste!!! Thank you for asking. White Sapphire is ascribed to Jupiter, as

Brahmin color, by some people; but our experience, and experience of others,

shows white sapphire to LOOK LIKE & ACT LIKE a diamond (Venus). So

accordingly we use white sapphire as uparatna for Venus, and with success.

 

White sapphire is corundum, the same gem as ruby & sapphire, but it has no

color, naturally white.

 

The same holds true for white Topaz (Venus).

 

I hope this helps. And I welcome all questions. Otherwise this site is only one

hand clapping. And "life" is interaction.

 

Best regards,

Richard

 

sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <

chphadke> wrote:

> Respected Shri. Richard ji,

>

> What is your opinion about white pukhraj ? Is it the same variety of 'yellow

saphire ?' What are its effects? Is it naturally available or is a produced

from

the originally yellow saphire by some chemical reaction ? My knowledge

about gemology is practically zero and would like to learn gemology.

>

> Thanking you and with personal regards,

>

> Chandrashekhar Phadke

>

> I am the same person having another mail ID c_phadake

>

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote:

> In Sanskrit, "Pushparaag" always referred to yellow sapphire. The

> Hindi word, "Pukh raaj" is also supposed to mean yellow sapphire, and

> that is how it is known in the trade, such as in Jaipur or Kambaat.

> But somehow it has become confused with Yellow Topaz, which is what

> most people in India use for Jupiter.

>

> In 1974, after spending 7 years learning Sanskrit, my karma drove me

> from Vrindavan to Hyderabad. A "secret" Ruby mine had been uncovered,

> it was being developed with the Hyderabad family by my old California

> friend whom I hadn't seen in 7 years (the ashram where I spent 7 years

> in Vrindavan had NO westerners but me. No one spoke English except the

> Guru. So I had to learn Bengali to converse in the ashram, and also

> learn Hindi to converse OUTside the ashram, as well as learn Sanskrit

> so I could enter the heart of the mysteries. Anyway I'm telling this

> just to entertain you.

>

> At the mine, outside Hyderabad, AP, I was deputed to Bombay with 5 KG

> of rough rubies and told to enter the market using my Hindi and sell

> the rough. That is another story. It was then that I started buying

> Hindi and English books on gems, and the few books there were all

> spoke about what is (since 1982) known as "Planetary Gemology". One

> book was named "Rasi-or-ratna", another book was Graha-gochar jyotish,

> and (in Eng., "The occult powers of gems" by Scherman, and there was

> one author, late Raaj Roop Tank of Jaipur, that also explained

> Planetary Gemology basics in his book named "Indian Gemology"

> published in 1971.

>

> In 1974 I went to Jaipur to study under Sri Raaj Roop Tank and was

> able to do so. He was very kind and I could say a lot about that, but

> keeping to the point, I asked him why yellow corundum was called "Push

> raja" when it is always called "Pushparaag" in all the Sanskrit texts.

> He told me that "Pukh raaj" was Hindi name, representing - what should

> be yellow sapphire - but in fact almost 90% of common Indian only ever

> heard of the name "Pukh Raaj" to mean the yellow gem, the Guru ratna,

> which in fact they are all using "yellow topaz" because yellow

> sapphire comes from outside India, and is very costly. And it had

> become so ingrained that even in Jaipur market when ever they are

> selling yellow topaz (and they are always selling topaz) that it was

> called as Pukh Raaj and this is how the Indians called it.

>

> So I asked how does the common man know about yellow sapphire? He

said

> in fact the people don't know the difference... it's all topaz, and

> it's called "Pukh Raaj" and that's life in India.

>

> He also explained that gems needed to be flawless to work good, and

> yellow corundum in flawless quality could cost a small fortune if not

> a big one. So it was simply cost prohibitive in India (then) and

> yellow topaz was in fact being sold to the public as "Pukh Raaj.

> Common Indian has never heard the word "Pushaparaaj" unless they would

> have studied gemology IN Sanskrit... which is hardly the case.

>

> What the Bombay, Jaipur, Kambaat markets all have in common is selling

> yellow topaz to the public as the gem for Jupiter named Pukh Raaj. And

> this is the fact of he matter. Sri Tank ji told me that only the poor

> people believed in Planetary Gemology, and yellow sapphire is VERY

> expensive, so golden topaz had become "Pukh Raaj" or Guru Ratna. He

> said the rich Indian's who could easily afford the best of gems, they

> were hardly interested. So it is with the masses of India that it is

> normal to sell topaz as yellow sapphire named in Hindi as Pukh Raaj.

>

> So in common usage the truth has become nontruth. In fact Pukh Raaj is

> Hindi, denoting the mega expensive yellow sapphire that no common

> Indian has ever heard of, but in fact BEING yellow topaz. There is no

> lie because the common man has never heard of Yellow Sapphire, and

> being poor they get what then can afford, i.e. yellow topaz. There is

> no harm in selling Topaz for Jupiter and that's the market reality, at

> least in 1974.

>

> Personally from every Indian (in India) who has shown me their "Guru

> Ratna" I have never once seen precious yellow sapphire, it's always

> topaz (at best) or citrine quartz (at worst). Well, there are a few

> exceptions, such as my Indian clients who are well off.

>

> Of course this is based on my limited experience...

>

> Sukriya!!!

>

> Richard

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Thank you very much for your mail. The information regarding white sapphire is

new to us. It is important to know that simply change in colour of the same

type of a precious stone can give different results. White Sapphire gives

results similar to that of diamond is amazing. The information is no doubt

important and is not availble in any of the books on jewellary.

 

Thanking you and with personal regards,

 

Chandrashekhar PhadkeRichard Shaw Brown <rsbj66 > wrote:

Sriman Chandrashekhar,Namaste!!! Thank you for asking. White Sapphire is

ascribed to Jupiter, as Brahmin color, by some people; but our experience, and

experience of others, shows white sapphire to LOOK LIKE & ACT LIKE a diamond

(Venus). So accordingly we use white sapphire as uparatna for Venus, and with

success.White sapphire is corundum, the same gem as ruby & sapphire, but it has

no color, naturally white.The same holds true for white Topaz (Venus).I hope

this helps. And I welcome all questions. Otherwise this site is only one hand

clapping. And "life" is interaction.Best regards,Richard--- In

sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <chphadke> wrote:>

Respected Shri. Richard ji,> > What is your opinion about white pukhraj ? Is

it the

same variety of 'yellow saphire ?' What are its effects? Is it naturally

available or is a produced from the originally yellow saphire by some chemical

reaction ? My knowledge about gemology is practically zero and would like to

learn gemology.> > Thanking you and with personal regards,> > Chandrashekhar

Phadke> > I am the same person having another mail ID c_phadake > >

Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote:> In Sanskrit, "Pushparaag" always

referred to yellow sapphire. The> Hindi word, "Pukh raaj" is also supposed to

mean yellow sapphire, and> that is how it is known in the trade, such as in

Jaipur or Kambaat.> But somehow it has become confused with Yellow Topaz, which

is what> most people in India use for Jupiter.> > In 1974, after spending 7

years learning Sanskrit, my karma drove me> from Vrindavan to Hyderabad. A

"secret" Ruby mine had been uncovered,> it was being developed with the

Hyderabad family by my old California> friend whom I hadn't seen in 7 years

(the ashram where I spent 7 years> in Vrindavan had NO westerners but me. No

one spoke English except the> Guru. So I had to learn Bengali to converse in

the ashram, and also> learn Hindi to converse OUTside the ashram, as well as

learn Sanskrit> so I could enter the heart of the mysteries. Anyway I'm telling

this> just to entertain you.> > At the mine, outside Hyderabad, AP, I was

deputed to Bombay with 5 KG> of rough rubies and told to enter the market using

my Hindi and sell> the rough. That is another story. It was then that I started

buying> Hindi and English books on gems, and the few books there were all>

spoke about what is (since 1982) known as "Planetary Gemology". One> book was

named "Rasi-or-ratna", another book was Graha-gochar

jyotish,> and (in Eng., "The occult powers of gems" by Scherman, and there was>

one author, late Raaj Roop Tank of Jaipur, that also explained> Planetary

Gemology basics in his book named "Indian Gemology"> published in 1971.> > In

1974 I went to Jaipur to study under Sri Raaj Roop Tank and was> able to do so.

He was very kind and I could say a lot about that, but> keeping to the point, I

asked him why yellow corundum was called "Push> raja" when it is always called

"Pushparaag" in all the Sanskrit texts.> He told me that "Pukh raaj" was Hindi

name, representing - what should> be yellow sapphire - but in fact almost 90%

of common Indian only ever> heard of the name "Pukh Raaj" to mean the yellow

gem, the Guru ratna,> which in fact they are all using "yellow topaz" because

yellow> sapphire comes from outside India, and is very costly. And it had>

become so ingrained that even in

Jaipur market when ever they are> selling yellow topaz (and they are always

selling topaz) that it was> called as Pukh Raaj and this is how the Indians

called it.> > So I asked how does the common man know about yellow sapphire? He

said> in fact the people don't know the difference... it's all topaz, and> it's

called "Pukh Raaj" and that's life in India. > > He also explained that gems

needed to be flawless to work good, and> yellow corundum in flawless quality

could cost a small fortune if not> a big one. So it was simply cost prohibitive

in India (then) and> yellow topaz was in fact being sold to the public as "Pukh

Raaj.> Common Indian has never heard the word "Pushaparaaj" unless they would>

have studied gemology IN Sanskrit... which is hardly the case.> > What the

Bombay, Jaipur, Kambaat markets all have in common is selling> yellow topaz to

the public as the gem

for Jupiter named Pukh Raaj. And> this is the fact of he matter. Sri Tank ji

told me that only the poor> people believed in Planetary Gemology, and yellow

sapphire is VERY> expensive, so golden topaz had become "Pukh Raaj" or Guru

Ratna. He> said the rich Indian's who could easily afford the best of gems,

they> were hardly interested. So it is with the masses of India that it is>

normal to sell topaz as yellow sapphire named in Hindi as Pukh Raaj.> > So in

common usage the truth has become nontruth. In fact Pukh Raaj is> Hindi,

denoting the mega expensive yellow sapphire that no common> Indian has ever

heard of, but in fact BEING yellow topaz. There is no> lie because the common

man has never heard of Yellow Sapphire, and> being poor they get what then can

afford, i.e. yellow topaz. There is> no harm in selling Topaz for Jupiter and

that's the market reality, at> least in 1974.>

> Personally from every Indian (in India) who has shown me their "Guru> Ratna" I

have never once seen precious yellow sapphire, it's always> topaz (at best) or

citrine quartz (at worst). Well, there are a few> exceptions, such as my Indian

clients who are well off.> > Of course this is based on my limited

experience...> > Sukriya!!!> > Richard> > > > > > > > 9;s eye

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Dear Chandrashekharji,

 

Thanks for writing about this. Corundum is a family of mineral. When it is

transparent it is called "gem", but when opaque it is "industrial quality" used

to

make abbrasive, useless for Jyotish.

 

Blue corundum is Shani

Red corundum is Surya

Yellow " is Brihaspati

Green " is Mercury (uparatna)

Colorless " is Venus (uparatna)

 

It is much like Rudraksha is one kind of seed, but Pancha-mukhi is said to

influence Jupiter, but 6 mukhi is said related to Venus, etc., by the number of

faces. With gems it is difference in color. Another good Uparatna for Venus is

white beryl (Goshenite) which when green is named "emerald".

 

Best rgds,

R-

 

sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <

chphadke> wrote:

> Respected Shri. Richard ji,

>

> Thank you very much for your mail. The information regarding white

sapphire is new to us. It is important to know that simply change in colour of

the same type of a precious stone can give different results. White Sapphire

gives results similar to that of diamond is amazing. The information is no

doubt important and is not availble in any of the books on jewellary.

>

> Thanking you and with personal regards,

>

> Chandrashekhar Phadke

>

> Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote:

> Sriman Chandrashekhar,

>

> Namaste!!! Thank you for asking. White Sapphire is ascribed to Jupiter, as

> Brahmin color, by some people; but our experience, and experience of

others,

> shows white sapphire to LOOK LIKE & ACT LIKE a diamond (Venus). So

> accordingly we use white sapphire as uparatna for Venus, and with

success.

>

> White sapphire is corundum, the same gem as ruby & sapphire, but it has

no

> color, naturally white.

>

> The same holds true for white Topaz (Venus).

>

> I hope this helps. And I welcome all questions. Otherwise this site is only

one

> hand clapping. And "life" is interaction.

>

> Best regards,

> Richard

>

> sacred-objects, chandrashekhar phadke <

> chphadke> wrote:

> > Respected Shri. Richard ji,

> >

> > What is your opinion about white pukhraj ? Is it the same variety of

'yellow

> saphire ?' What are its effects? Is it naturally available or is a produced

from

> the originally yellow saphire by some chemical reaction ? My knowledge

> about gemology is practically zero and would like to learn gemology.

> >

> > Thanking you and with personal regards,

> >

> > Chandrashekhar Phadke

> >

> > I am the same person having another mail ID c_phadake

> >

> > Richard Shaw Brown <rsbj66> wrote:

> > In Sanskrit, "Pushparaag" always referred to yellow sapphire. The

> > Hindi word, "Pukh raaj" is also supposed to mean yellow sapphire, and

> > that is how it is known in the trade, such as in Jaipur or Kambaat.

> > But somehow it has become confused with Yellow Topaz, which is what

> > most people in India use for Jupiter.

> >

> > In 1974, after spending 7 years learning Sanskrit, my karma drove me

> > from Vrindavan to Hyderabad. A "secret" Ruby mine had been uncovered,

> > it was being developed with the Hyderabad family by my old California

> > friend whom I hadn't seen in 7 years (the ashram where I spent 7 years

> > in Vrindavan had NO westerners but me. No one spoke English except

the

> > Guru. So I had to learn Bengali to converse in the ashram, and also

> > learn Hindi to converse OUTside the ashram, as well as learn Sanskrit

> > so I could enter the heart of the mysteries. Anyway I'm telling this

> > just to entertain you.

> >

> > At the mine, outside Hyderabad, AP, I was deputed to Bombay with 5 KG

> > of rough rubies and told to enter the market using my Hindi and sell

> > the rough. That is another story. It was then that I started buying

> > Hindi and English books on gems, and the few books there were all

> > spoke about what is (since 1982) known as "Planetary Gemology". One

> > book was named "Rasi-or-ratna", another book was Graha-gochar jyotish,

> > and (in Eng., "The occult powers of gems" by Scherman, and there was

> > one author, late Raaj Roop Tank of Jaipur, that also explained

> > Planetary Gemology basics in his book named "Indian Gemology"

> > published in 1971.

> >

> > In 1974 I went to Jaipur to study under Sri Raaj Roop Tank and was

> > able to do so. He was very kind and I could say a lot about that, but

> > keeping to the point, I asked him why yellow corundum was called "Push

> > raja" when it is always called "Pushparaag" in all the Sanskrit texts.

> > He told me that "Pukh raaj" was Hindi name, representing - what should

> > be yellow sapphire - but in fact almost 90% of common Indian only ever

> > heard of the name "Pukh Raaj" to mean the yellow gem, the Guru ratna,

> > which in fact they are all using "yellow topaz" because yellow

> > sapphire comes from outside India, and is very costly. And it had

> > become so ingrained that even in Jaipur market when ever they are

> > selling yellow topaz (and they are always selling topaz) that it was

> > called as Pukh Raaj and this is how the Indians called it.

> >

> > So I asked how does the common man know about yellow sapphire? He

> said

> > in fact the people don't know the difference... it's all topaz, and

> > it's called "Pukh Raaj" and that's life in India.

> >

> > He also explained that gems needed to be flawless to work good, and

> > yellow corundum in flawless quality could cost a small fortune if not

> > a big one. So it was simply cost prohibitive in India (then) and

> > yellow topaz was in fact being sold to the public as "Pukh Raaj.

> > Common Indian has never heard the word "Pushaparaaj" unless they

would

> > have studied gemology IN Sanskrit... which is hardly the case.

> >

> > What the Bombay, Jaipur, Kambaat markets all have in common is selling

> > yellow topaz to the public as the gem for Jupiter named Pukh Raaj. And

> > this is the fact of he matter. Sri Tank ji told me that only the poor

> > people believed in Planetary Gemology, and yellow sapphire is VERY

> > expensive, so golden topaz had become "Pukh Raaj" or Guru Ratna. He

> > said the rich Indian's who could easily afford the best of gems, they

> > were hardly interested. So it is with the masses of India that it is

> > normal to sell topaz as yellow sapphire named in Hindi as Pukh Raaj.

> >

> > So in common usage the truth has become nontruth. In fact Pukh Raaj is

> > Hindi, denoting the mega expensive yellow sapphire that no common

> > Indian has ever heard of, but in fact BEING yellow topaz. There is no

> > lie because the common man has never heard of Yellow Sapphire, and

> > being poor they get what then can afford, i.e. yellow topaz. There is

> > no harm in selling Topaz for Jupiter and that's the market reality, at

> > least in 1974.

> >

> > Personally from every Indian (in India) who has shown me their "Guru

> > Ratna" I have never once seen precious yellow sapphire, it's always

> > topaz (at best) or citrine quartz (at worst). Well, there are a few

> > exceptions, such as my Indian clients who are well off.

> >

> > Of course this is based on my limited experience...

> >

> > Sukriya!!!

> >

> > Richard

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > 9;s eye Yellow sapphire Blue sapphires Sri Quartz crystal

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.

> >

> >

> > sacred-objects

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > India Matrimony: Find your partner now.

>

>

>

>

>

> 9;s eye Yellow sapphire Blue sapphires Sri Quartz crystal

>

>

>

>

>

> Visit your group "sacred-objects" on the web.

>

>

> sacred-objects

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Dear Richard:

 

A quick follow up: I recently got a dream where a saint came and told me to wear a White Topaz. Anyway, looks like I may have made a mistake of getting a ring for my first finger (thinking Topaz is for Jupiter) instead of the middle finger. Would you recommend that I make a new ring for my middle finger or would it be OK to wear it in my first finger (I live in the US and hence its hard to get any cutomization done here). I also wear Emerald in my pinky finger.

[omajitom 0]

Very Interesting information. Thankyou ...

 

Will White Topaz (for venus?) and Amethyst (substitute of blue sapphire ..for saturn?) suit a person with Libra ascendant , Saggitarius ..Moon sign and Capricorn ..Sun Sign?

 

Namaskars to all.