Guest guest Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 > > does it mean that any one > > getting the assosiation of devotees even by negative > > methods get benifitted. wont the factor of vaishnava > > aparadh then come in . in association of ordinary devotees certainly vaisnava aparadha's come into consideration. as below: The Skanda PurANa states: yo hi bhAgavataM lokam upahAsaM nRpottama karoti tasya nazyanti artha-dharma-yazaH-sutAH nindAM kurvanti ye mUDhA vaiSNavAnAM mahAtmanAm patanti pitRbhiH sArdhaM mahA-raurava-saMjJite hanti nindati vai dveSTi vaiSNavAn nAbhinandati krudhyate yAti no harSaM darzane patanAni SaT "O best of kings, if one derides an exalted devotee, he loses the results of his pious activities, his opulence, his reputation, and his sons. Those fools who blaspheme great VaiSNavas fall down to the hell known as MahAraurava, accompanied by their forefathers. Whoever kills or blasphemes a VaiSNava, whoever is envious of or angry with a VaiSNava, and whoever does not offer proper greetings or feel joy upon seeing a VaiSNava certainly becomes fallen." In the AmRta-sAroddhAra it is stated: janma-prabhRti yat kiJcit sukRtaM samupArjitam nAzam AyAti tat sarvaM pIDayed yadi vaiSNavAn "If one gives pain to the VaiSNavas, then the results of his pious activities like high birth and high caste are all destroyed." Also in the Skanda PurANa it is said: pUrvaM kRtvA tu sammAnam avajJAM kurute tu yaH vaiSNavAnAM mahI-pAla sAnvayo yAti saGkSayam "O ruler of the world, one who first respects a VaiSNava and then later insults him is vanquished along with his family." In the Brahma-vaivarta PurANa, KRSNa-janma-khaNDa, it is stated: ye nindanti hRSIkezaM tad-bhaktaM puNya-rUpiNam zata-janmArjitaM puNyaM teSAM nazyati nizcitam te pacyante mahA-ghore kumbhIpAke bhayAnake bhakSitAH kITa-saGghena yAvac candra-divAkarau tasya darzana-mAtreNa puNyaM nazyati nizcitam gaGgAM snAtvA raviM dRSTA tadA vidvAn vizuddhyati "Those who criticize Lord HRSIkeza or the VaiSNavas, who are under His all-auspicious shelter, lose all the pious credits they have accrued in a hundred births. Such sinners rot in the KumbhIpAka hell and are eaten by hordes of worms for as long as the sun and moon exist. If one sees a person who blasphemes Lord ViSNu and His devotees, then the results of all his pious activities are lost. When learned persons see such non-VaiSNavas, they purify themselves by taking bath in the Ganges and looking at the sun." and also: In the DvArakA-mAhAtmya it is said: kara-patraiz ca phAlyante su-tIvrair yama-zAsanaiH nindAM kurvanti ye pApA vaiSNavAnAM mahAtmanAm pUjito bhagavAn viSNur janmAntara-zatair api prasIdati na vizvAtmA vaiSNave cApamAnite "Those most sinful people who criticize great VaiSNavas are subjected by YamarAja to the severe punishment of being sliced in pieces by very sharp saws. Lord Hari, the Supersoul of the entire universe, is never pleased with the miscreant who insults a VaiSNava, even if he has worshiped ViSNu for hundreds of births." Yet: there is a verse in Vallabha's yamunastakam that states that those who drink 1 palmful of Yamuna water with faith will not go to hell. verse 4 namo stu yamune sada tava caritram atyadabhuta na jatu yama yatana bhavati te paya panata yamo pt bhagini suta kathum u hanti dustam api priyabhir iva sevitam tava harer api gopika " I offer my respects constantly to you Yamuna devi for your glorie are most astonishing, one who respectfully drinks even a palmful of your water, will never go to hell, for how could your brother yamu hurt the sons of his sister yamuna even if they are sinful? one who serves you becomes like one of Hari's gopikas." one can certainly argue that "dusta" vrtti does not include exemption from present or previous Vaisnava aparadhas. and I also agree. Yet some offenses to vaisnavas are really accidental, and are removed by sincerely serving vaisnava's repenting, intense chanting and remorse. sincere remorse is the criteria for Mercy in all respects. Yamuna devi is "no ordinary devotee" She happens to be the Lord 4th wife in Dwaraka lila and also non different to Vishaka devi in Vraja-lila. She can choose if She likes to bless anyone, she chooses. I humbly submit, that all (even past offenders-should un hesitantly take Her shelter, ( as Rupa Gosvami in His astakam) suggests even afar by desiring to bathe in HEr waters. > > > "To a person that is lusty, foolish, polluted with > > > many sins and fond of > > > quarreling with devotees, Sri Yamuna, who is filled > > > with many buzzing bees, > > > gives residence in the transcendental abode of > > > Goloka." anyone having faith in Yamuna devi's power (based on the many glories of Yamuna as stated by rupa Gosvami and Vallabha acarya) can see that If She decides to deliver someone who sincerely regrets their sinful past at the time of their death. who are we conditioned souls to say "She can't? " respectfully submitted TridaNDi BhikSu, Bhakti Visrambha MAdhava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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