Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Namah Shivaya. When is Amma¹s birthday this year? In Her love, premarupa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 It should be Sep 9 according to the calendar - vedic calendar that is. Ammachi, Kenna <itskenna@c...> wrote: > Namah Shivaya. > > When is Amma¹s birthday this year? > > In Her love, > premarupa > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 > > When is Amma¹s birthday this year? > > Septwmber 27. Same as every year DOHHHHH! As far as I know, this year Amma's 52nd birthday doesn't fall during Navratri or the Jewish High Holy Days. Keval __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Actually, the "new" thing is that Amma was not born in 1953 or on Sept. 27. They were saying in India when i was there that Amma was actually born sometime in 1952, but her parents never kept track of when. Sigh. It's so hard not to have certainty... In Amma, Jyotsna Mike Brooker <patria1818 wrote: > > When is Amma¹s birthday this year? > > Septwmber 27. Same as every year DOHHHHH! As far as I know, this year Amma's 52nd birthday doesn't fall during Navratri or the Jewish High Holy Days. Keval __ Start your day with - make it your home page http://www./r/hs Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 The Birthday of the Divine Mother of the Universe? This reminds me of an incident with Paramahansa Yogananda. The devotees had a birthday party for Him. They asked him how old he was. He answered: One. With Love, GeorgeSon Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > Actually, the "new" thing is that Amma was not born in 1953 or on Sept. 27. > They were saying in India when i was there that Amma was actually born > sometime in 1952, but her parents never kept track of when. Sigh. It's so > hard not to have certainty... > > In Amma, > Jyotsna > > Mike Brooker <patria1818> wrote: > > > > When is Amma¹s birthday this year? > > > > > > Septwmber 27. Same as every year DOHHHHH! > > As far as I know, this year Amma's 52nd birthday > doesn't fall during Navratri or the Jewish High Holy > Days. > > Keval > > > > __ > Start your day with - make it your home page > http://www./r/hs > > > > Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! > > > > > > > > Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. > > > Ammachi > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > Actually, the "new" thing is that Amma was not born in 1953 or on Sept. 27. > They were saying in India when i was there that Amma was actually born > sometime in 1952, but her parents never kept track of when. Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! We trust and pray that Amma is blessing and protecting all of you always! in reference to Jyotsna's comments, i am struck by the thought that this idea of not knowing when one is born is NOT a Hindu practice. Hindus as far as i know, generally think that the date and time of birth is EXTREMELY important...and almost always people will have that kind of information...When Hindu parents want to marry off their daughters and sons, they almost ALWAYS will go to an astrologer to arrange WHAT the birth chart says...such as which Nakshatra the moon is in...and what tithi (part of the nakshatra)...and they will want to know whether moon was waxing or waning, and what the phase actually was...such as "panchami" or "shashti" or so...Also, most Hindu parents tend to be concerned extremely with whether their child is suffering from a "Kuja Dosha" (or Mars affliction)....because a Kuja Dosha can result in very bad marriages...unless proper mitigation of the curse is done...or the person waits until at least the age of 28 years. In fact one reads in the Amma biography that her parents DID consult an astrologer, who firmly told them that Amma is a Mahatma and that they should forget about marrying HER off...and that if She was ALREADY married, that they should get the marriage annulled....cause it would be dangerous to the husband. (She had already threatened one prospective groom with his life...waving a big chilly chopping knife and yelling She would kill him if they married Her to him...) Now HOW could the astrologer tell them all these things if they did NOT know When Amma was born???? did they just make up some arbitrary date and time for the astrologer?? or did the astrologer figure it out FOR them? (from details in Amma's life).... i would be extremely surprised if Amma's parents did not know what year or date that Amma was born....it is SO important to know one's Nakshatra if one is a traditional Hindu... They might not remember the exact TIME that Amma was born...but an astrologer could figure THAT out to the minute, given again, some important events in Amma's life...and the status of Her family...(not social status...but how they were doing at certain times)... So i would tend to suggest that indeed the year and date of Amma's Birth would have been remembered quite well by Her Parents...Which parent among us would not remember WHEN his or Her child was born??? we might forget the actual TIME of birth, but we would NOT forget the day, month and YEAR of birth unless we were seriously ill with no memory left...or suffering from one of the forms of dementia...then we might not remember such things, but otherwise... Keval has stated that Her birthday is on Sept 27 this year as it is always...but he forgets that Hindus tell their birthdays by the NAKSHATRA in which the Moon was found at the time of Birth...the so called Lunar Calendar. so we must look for the days when Moon is passing through Krittika (a nakshatra in Taurus, and Amma's "birthstar", also known as the Pleiades) in the month of September/October....this year of 2005 This year according to my Jyotish program (in which i use Lahiri Ayanamsha)...Jagannatha Hora, Moon is in the Nakshatra Krittika (or Karthika, if you're more used to that), on Sept 22, so i would venture to say that Amma's "Hindu" birthday, or Her Birthstar birthday is on Sept 22 this year...they may celebrate it on another day but as far as i can tell, that is the right day. i just looked at my Amma calendar, and indeed they show Sept 22 as the day that Moon passes through Krittika...(Her Birthstar)...which makes Sept 22 the lunar birthday. the thing is that even IF Amma's parents don't really remember those details, it may be possible for some extremely skilled astrologer to reconstruct the time and date of birth from Amma's character, from Her actions in this world, and from events which have occurred TO her...such as the death of Her brother...the time when She got thrown out of the house...time of Her Krsna and Devi sadhanas...those kinds of things. Prasannan for example appears to be very skilled (and with the help of his Jyotish program) in discovering the precise times of birth of his clients....in fact i believe he USUALLY checks the client information against his program and will alter the given time of birth by whatever it takes to make the charts work...usually only a few minutes on one side or the other of the given time... in my case he told me after asking a few questions that he believed that the time of my birth was actually three minutes LATER than i had given him...because that timing made the Mahadasha/bhuktis/antaradashas (life periods) line up more precisely with the known transits of planets at that time...and his timing WAS right...it WORKS exactly right on as i have tested over and over by comparing life events to the vimshottari dashas given for those periods...often an event will happen on the DAY that the life period would change from one planetary ruler to the next..usually in the smaller divisions of the periods of course...but it is amazing to see how one's life is so neatly ordered according to the stars... One hears a LOT of rumours in spirtual groups, and it is probably best to take most of them with a very big grain of salt... Why would the swamis have given Amma's birthday and time and year, if they did not KNOW it?? that would have been contrary to their vows of truthfulness. i cannot believe that Swami Nealu (Paramatmanandaji) and Swami Balu.. (Amritaswarupanandaji) would knowingly perpertrate such a falsehood.. i think that if they had stated that Amma was born on September 27 1953, that indeed She was born then....on the astrology lists, they even discuss the TIME of Amma's birth...which was given as 9:09 AM, and which appears to show the strange event of Her birth being recorded in what adds up to the number NINE... (time) (date) (year) 9:09 Septmber 27, 1953 adds up to (9+9+9)+(2+7)+(1+9+5+3)=45=4+5=9 (when added up in the numerological sense). in an astrological chart, the Ninth house is the House of Guru, (as well as Father, distant travel, and a few other things...) i personally have been given that birthtime, 9:09 AM by Dayalu, who is a Jyotishi, and has been with Amma for a long time...he wrote (in the year 2000): "Amma is a Libra ascendant 23 degrees 18. She was born Sept. 27th 1953 at 9:09A.M. Kayankulam, India. She's getting more popular now during Jupiter Venus and in 2006 when She goes into Saturn Saturn she'll probably be World famous." according to my Jyotish program, Amma would have been born on a Sunday, known as "Krishna Panchami", or the Fifth day of the Waning moon, in the month of "Bhadrapada", Year, "Vijaya" with the Sun/Moon yoga called Vajra, ruled by Moon. Her ascendant of 23 Libra 18 would place the Lagna (ascendant) in the Nakshatra (mansion of the Moon) known as Vishakham, a nakshatra in which if there are planets to be found, may indicate a devout follower of Lord Krsna, (or Jesus Christ...as i have discovered in analysing western charts...it appears to work very well for either "Deity"...so isn't that strange that Paramahansa Yogananda used to say that Krsna and Christ were basically the same? you can even see it from the charts of the devotees!!!)...and as we know, Amma was a Great Krsna devotee in Her youth... anyways...just a few little tidbits to pique the mind... In Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Aum Amriteshwariye Namah!! it seems Amm seems to be answering all my doubts and questions through Amma's ! Thank you for youe post Vishwanathan.I had my charts done by Prasannan a few years ago ago in Amritapuri. Recently i had gone and seen another astrologer who informed me that my time of birth was off by 3 minutes.I have always had doubt about my time of birth and was wondering if Prasannan had been able to spot it. Well now i know if that was the case Prasannan would have corrected it. Only problem is, i can't read anything stated in the booklet as its all in Malayalam! Aum Amriteshwariye Namah! kasi_visvanath <kasi_visvanath wrote: Ammachi, "E. Lamb" <jyotsna2> wrote: > Actually, the "new" thing is that Amma was not born in 1953 or on Sept. 27. > They were saying in India when i was there that Amma was actually born > sometime in 1952, but her parents never kept track of when. Om Amrtesvaryai Namah!! We trust and pray that Amma is blessing and protecting all of you always! in reference to Jyotsna's comments, i am struck by the thought that this idea of not knowing when one is born is NOT a Hindu practice. Hindus as far as i know, generally think that the date and time of birth is EXTREMELY important...and almost always people will have that kind of information...When Hindu parents want to marry off their daughters and sons, they almost ALWAYS will go to an astrologer to arrange WHAT the birth chart says...such as which Nakshatra the moon is in...and what tithi (part of the nakshatra)...and they will want to know whether moon was waxing or waning, and what the phase actually was...such as "panchami" or "shashti" or so...Also, most Hindu parents tend to be concerned extremely with whether their child is suffering from a "Kuja Dosha" (or Mars affliction)....because a Kuja Dosha can result in very bad marriages...unless proper mitigation of the curse is done...or the person waits until at least the age of 28 years. In fact one reads in the Amma biography that her parents DID consult an astrologer, who firmly told them that Amma is a Mahatma and that they should forget about marrying HER off...and that if She was ALREADY married, that they should get the marriage annulled....cause it would be dangerous to the husband. (She had already threatened one prospective groom with his life...waving a big chilly chopping knife and yelling She would kill him if they married Her to him...) Now HOW could the astrologer tell them all these things if they did NOT know When Amma was born???? did they just make up some arbitrary date and time for the astrologer?? or did the astrologer figure it out FOR them? (from details in Amma's life).... i would be extremely surprised if Amma's parents did not know what year or date that Amma was born....it is SO important to know one's Nakshatra if one is a traditional Hindu... They might not remember the exact TIME that Amma was born...but an astrologer could figure THAT out to the minute, given again, some important events in Amma's life...and the status of Her family...(not social status...but how they were doing at certain times)... So i would tend to suggest that indeed the year and date of Amma's Birth would have been remembered quite well by Her Parents...Which parent among us would not remember WHEN his or Her child was born??? we might forget the actual TIME of birth, but we would NOT forget the day, month and YEAR of birth unless we were seriously ill with no memory left...or suffering from one of the forms of dementia...then we might not remember such things, but otherwise... Keval has stated that Her birthday is on Sept 27 this year as it is always...but he forgets that Hindus tell their birthdays by the NAKSHATRA in which the Moon was found at the time of Birth...the so called Lunar Calendar. so we must look for the days when Moon is passing through Krittika (a nakshatra in Taurus, and Amma's "birthstar", also known as the Pleiades) in the month of September/October....this year of 2005 This year according to my Jyotish program (in which i use Lahiri Ayanamsha)...Jagannatha Hora, Moon is in the Nakshatra Krittika (or Karthika, if you're more used to that), on Sept 22, so i would venture to say that Amma's "Hindu" birthday, or Her Birthstar birthday is on Sept 22 this year...they may celebrate it on another day but as far as i can tell, that is the right day. i just looked at my Amma calendar, and indeed they show Sept 22 as the day that Moon passes through Krittika...(Her Birthstar)...which makes Sept 22 the lunar birthday. the thing is that even IF Amma's parents don't really remember those details, it may be possible for some extremely skilled astrologer to reconstruct the time and date of birth from Amma's character, from Her actions in this world, and from events which have occurred TO her...such as the death of Her brother...the time when She got thrown out of the house...time of Her Krsna and Devi sadhanas...those kinds of things. Prasannan for example appears to be very skilled (and with the help of his Jyotish program) in discovering the precise times of birth of his clients....in fact i believe he USUALLY checks the client information against his program and will alter the given time of birth by whatever it takes to make the charts work...usually only a few minutes on one side or the other of the given time... in my case he told me after asking a few questions that he believed that the time of my birth was actually three minutes LATER than i had given him...because that timing made the Mahadasha/bhuktis/antaradashas (life periods) line up more precisely with the known transits of planets at that time...and his timing WAS right...it WORKS exactly right on as i have tested over and over by comparing life events to the vimshottari dashas given for those periods...often an event will happen on the DAY that the life period would change from one planetary ruler to the next..usually in the smaller divisions of the periods of course...but it is amazing to see how one's life is so neatly ordered according to the stars... One hears a LOT of rumours in spirtual groups, and it is probably best to take most of them with a very big grain of salt... Why would the swamis have given Amma's birthday and time and year, if they did not KNOW it?? that would have been contrary to their vows of truthfulness. i cannot believe that Swami Nealu (Paramatmanandaji) and Swami Balu.. (Amritaswarupanandaji) would knowingly perpertrate such a falsehood.. i think that if they had stated that Amma was born on September 27 1953, that indeed She was born then....on the astrology lists, they even discuss the TIME of Amma's birth...which was given as 9:09 AM, and which appears to show the strange event of Her birth being recorded in what adds up to the number NINE... (time) (date) (year) 9:09 Septmber 27, 1953 adds up to (9+9+9)+(2+7)+(1+9+5+3)=45=4+5=9 (when added up in the numerological sense). in an astrological chart, the Ninth house is the House of Guru, (as well as Father, distant travel, and a few other things...) i personally have been given that birthtime, 9:09 AM by Dayalu, who is a Jyotishi, and has been with Amma for a long time...he wrote (in the year 2000): "Amma is a Libra ascendant 23 degrees 18. She was born Sept. 27th 1953 at 9:09A.M. Kayankulam, India. She's getting more popular now during Jupiter Venus and in 2006 when She goes into Saturn Saturn she'll probably be World famous." according to my Jyotish program, Amma would have been born on a Sunday, known as "Krishna Panchami", or the Fifth day of the Waning moon, in the month of "Bhadrapada", Year, "Vijaya" with the Sun/Moon yoga called Vajra, ruled by Moon. Her ascendant of 23 Libra 18 would place the Lagna (ascendant) in the Nakshatra (mansion of the Moon) known as Vishakham, a nakshatra in which if there are planets to be found, may indicate a devout follower of Lord Krsna, (or Jesus Christ...as i have discovered in analysing western charts...it appears to work very well for either "Deity"...so isn't that strange that Paramahansa Yogananda used to say that Krsna and Christ were basically the same? you can even see it from the charts of the devotees!!!)...and as we know, Amma was a Great Krsna devotee in Her youth... anyways...just a few little tidbits to pique the mind... In Amma's Divine Love, and in Her Service, as ever, visvanathan Om Amrtesvaryai Namah! Aum Amriteswarayai Namaha! Visit your group "Ammachi" on the web. Ammachi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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