Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2001 Sat Nam All, Great discussion about addictions and thanks for your detailed explanation, Gururrattan Kaur! Now, my question is what about other addictions, like sex, alcohol or even phobias... I will appreciate any kriyas for phobias to start with, and are they the same for those with anxiety attacks ? Thanks again, Sat Nam, Chama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2001 Dear Friends and Steven,, 12 Steps is going to be an ongoing, periodic discussion on this list. One of the first steps and requirements for breaking old and making new habits is a strong navel center. This to me would be the first and ongoing power to cultivate. You might wish to look at that lesson in my KYTraining classes. Also Surrender to the Zone covers the lesson on surrender which is another basic ongoing step. The great thing about KY is that one can actually cultivate these experiences and powers. > i have read your response to Nick's e mail where you write "take your will back" and "let us know when you take your will back" i have thaught for sometime about this and i cannot understand what you mean. i assume that you are referring to the will power involved in quitting > smoking yes. but are you saying that during the period where he is trying to overcome his addiction that he has lost his true will? He has lost it by smoking and must take it back by ending the addiction. surely not that he must resume smoking? absolutely not. The most obvious loss of will is to be addicted to a substance. In the case of tobacco, the nicotine controls your life, not you. You are part of the energy field of darkness and the tobacco industry which influence your actions. Less obvious examples are being a slave to past programming, negative thoughts and destructive expressions of emotions that pull us into and are a result of being unindividualized and part of mass consciousness. The only way to be free is to establish your own individuality and force field where you are in control of your own responses and actions. This is the main job of being human. It is a a many life time process. Ky is very helpful in this process. It helps us extracate ourselves from mass consciousness. In the process we contribute to creating a force field of light that shifts mass consciousness from asleep (darkness) to awake (light). We can tune into our joint efforts because all those with spiritual practices that foster the creation of love (not fear) are creating another "place to go." That is one of the goals and effects of this group too. This field of light is expanding. It is much easier to access and be a part of now. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2001 Sat Nam, > Great discussion about addictions and thanks for your detailed explanation, Gururrattan Kaur! Most welcome! > Now, my question is what about other addictions, like sex, alcohol or even phobias... A strong navel center is essential for any issue including all of the above. > I will appreciate any kriyas for phobias to start with, and are they the same for those with anxiety attacks ? Start with navel exercises. Calming meditations and breathing exercisses and strengthening the nervous system are good for anxiety attacks. That is a complex area with no simple answers. We will get to that. Or if you have my book Relax and Renew go to the quick stress reduction section, pick any meditation and practice it. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 5, 2001 Gurrutattan, how do we overcome the ongoing of someone else imposing their will on us if it is our karma? any suggestion will be greatly appreciated. leaving is not always the answer. with all me love, Melanie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Sat nam Gururattan Kaur, Thanks for your advice & insights! Blessings Chama P.S * Congratulations to all of you with your brandnew names....Enjoy the feeling and thank you for sharing! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Gururattan Kaur, Thanks for the advice again. This is very helpful for me in my practice with my clientele, suddenly coming up with tremendous personal problems such as the ones I was enquiring about. I must admit not having the time to look up for better and other KY practice recommendations to provide them with, for their daily exercises. I do not personally have any addiction problems or being a control freak. So, I am taking pleasure in reading you all and particularly your posts as they are very helpful, not only for me, but for those who come for therapeutical help as well. Not later than a couple of hours ago, a patient just called to thank me saying she has contacted somebody I recommended for KY lessons and whose name is Tera Singh... (Are you BTW on the list, too?) I found on 3HO practitioners' list! So, thank you for being of tremendous help! Blessings, Sat Nam, Chama Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Melanie and Charma, Re Controlling people: Peggy's answer is great. This is a question of boundaries which is one of the 12 steps. Cultivating boundaries includes being present to yourself, your feelings and sensations in your body. You also have to cultivate a strong aura so you can feel your own presence and distinguish yourself from others. There is a good aura set in Transitions to a Heart Centered World. RE: phobia and panic attacks. This a question partly of cultivating a safe and peaceful inner space. Practice SA TA NA MA meditation (lesson 14 I think). We have had testimonials that this helps with these issues. Do 31 minutes for 1000 days. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur - "Melanie J. Myers" <mel1961 <Kundaliniyoga> Friday, October 05, 2001 6:17 PM RE: Will and 12 Steps > Gurrutattan, > how do we overcome the ongoing of someone else imposing their will on us if > it is our karma? any suggestion will be greatly appreciated. leaving is not > always the answer. > with all me love, > Melanie > > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My Groups), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Gururattan, is there a site or book where I can find the 12 steps to which you refer? I am teaching as a volunteer at a half-way house, and would like more information to use in my classes. Peace, Love & Light, Sukhmani Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Gururattan! I'm new to this site but not to Kundaliny yoga . I was participating in Kundaliny yoga for immune sistem in Kripaly YC. Now reading your respond to Melanie you 've mentioned "lesson14" . Could I ask you to direct me where can I get this lessons> And I'm intersted in Aurvedic body cleansing and detoxification...Will appreciate all help . Peace&Love. Nicole "Gururattan K.Khalsa" <rattanak wrote: Dear Melanie and Charma, Re Controlling people: Peggy's answer is great. This is a question of boundaries which is one of the 12 steps. Cultivating boundaries includes being present to yourself, your feelings and sensations in your body. You also have to cultivate a strong aura so you can feel your own presence and distinguish yourself from others. There is a good aura set in Transitions to a Heart Centered World. RE: phobia and panic attacks. This a question partly of cultivating a safe and peaceful inner space. Practice SA TA NA MA meditation (lesson 14 I think). We have had testimonials that this helps with these issues. Do 31 minutes for 1000 days. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur - "Melanie J. Myers" <mel1961 <Kundaliniyoga> Friday, October 05, 2001 6:17 PM RE: Will and 12 Steps > Gurrutattan, > how do we overcome the ongoing of someone else imposing their will on us if > it is our karma? any suggestion will be greatly appreciated. leaving is not > always the answer. > with all me love, > Melanie > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Sukhmani, I am sure there is. Look up 12 steps on the internet or a local AA group. Probably one in your neighborhood. They always have literature. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 oh, I am VERY familiar with those 12 steps. I thought you might be referring to a yogic version of them. I am one of those who traveled the AA path without success. KY was the path that led to freedom. Peace, Love and Light, Sukhmani I am sure there is. Look up 12 steps on the internet or a local AA group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 7, 2001 Dear Sukhmani, We are putting together a yogic version of them. If you have any ideas please let me know. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur I thought you might be referring to a yogic version of them. I am one of those who traveled the AA path without success. KY was the path that led to freedom. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2001 I belong to a group HumansAnonymous - also a , there is an ongoing discussion on using 12 steps to overcome addiction to ego. You might find some interesting information here. May all love surround you. Frances Kundaliniyoga, "Sukhmani Kaur" <sukieclj@h...> wrote: > Gururattan, is there a site or book where I can find the 12 steps to which you refer? I am teaching as a volunteer at a half-way house, and would like more information to use in my classes. > > Peace, Love & Light, Sukhmani > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2001 Just seen this post after I wrote last. I also find Kundalini a method more suited at my personality for reducing the ego. I found the 12 steps interesting to see where my brakes are being jammed on! Kundaliniyoga, "Sukhmani Kaur" <sukieclj@h...> wrote: > oh, I am VERY familiar with those 12 steps. I thought you might be referring to a yogic version of them. I am one of those who traveled the AA path without success. KY was the path that led to freedom. > > Peace, Love and Light, Sukhmani > > I am sure there is. Look up 12 steps on the internet or a local AA group. > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2001 Sukhmani Kaur, You might want to check out The Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Ken Keyes. The book presents a 12-step process devised by Keyes specifically for spiritual advancement. It may have parallels to the AA-type 12-step practice, but I don't really know enough about 12-Step AA-type processes to judge. The book does emphasize taking control of your life and your spiritual development. Keyes book was originally published in the 70's; I don't know if it is still in print. It is an excellent book. Steve Porter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 8, 2001 Dear Steve, > You might want to check out The Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Ken Keyes. The book presents a 12-step process devised by Keyes specifically for spiritual advancement. It may have parallels to the Excellent idea. Great book. I am going to buy another copy since mine is in storage. It is available for $10. Sat nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Ask a metaphysical store to order it. It is on the shelf in mine. Ask them if it is out of print, if so I can see if mine has an extra copy. Sat Nam, GRK - <LHarris <Kundaliniyoga> Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:11 PM Re: Will and 12 Steps > > Sat Nam , > I have tried to get the recommended book: "The Handbook to Higher > Consciousness" by Ken Keys. However, Barnes & Nobles does not have it in > record - even in special order. Any recommendations? > > Humbly, Bhavagati > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My Groups), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > Your use of is subject to > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Dear Gururattan, I had an article in the last Aquarian Times about my own experiences with traditional treatment and yogic healing ("From Addiction to Acceptance.") I put a lot of my reservations about the traditional 12 steps in that article. To me, the 12 steps are not about getting well, but about learning to live sick. Addiction is something that is viewed as incurable. Also, the 12 steps are couched in the Piscean view of God as an external force ("Higher Power") and of human beings as defective and sinners. Even the number 12 is closely associated with the Judeo-Christian tradition which was the basis of the steps. One suggestion would be to make a yogic program an 11-step program--the number of Mastery. Let the goal be to master the addiction for this lifetime and forever. This would immediately distinguish the yoga way--the Aquarian way, from the old, Piscean way. I am interested in your project and would welcome an opportunity to participate in any way I can. Peace, Love & Light, Sukhmani Kaur - Gururattan K.Khalsa Kundaliniyoga Sunday, October 07, 2001 10:53 PM Re: Will and 12 Steps Dear Sukhmani, We are putting together a yogic version of them. If you have any ideas please let me know. Sat Nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Sat Nam , I have tried to get the recommended book: "The Handbook to Higher Consciousness" by Ken Keys. However, Barnes & Nobles does not have it in record - even in special order. Any recommendations? Humbly, Bhavagati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 9, 2001 Bhavagati, >I have tried to get the recommended book: "The Handbook to Higher > Consciousness" by Ken Keys. Check Amazon.com at: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-2225000-5983346 They have it advertised there for $9.95 new and $1.98 used. (The author's name is Keyes, not Keys.) Good Luck! Steve Porter Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 Dear Sukhmani Kaur, > I had an article in the last Aquarian Times about my own experiences with traditional treatment and yogic healing ("From Addiction to Acceptance.") I will definitely read this. Thanks. Do you have this article available to send to the group to read? I put a lot of my reservations about the traditional 12 steps in that article. This would immediately distinguish the yoga way--the Aquarian way, from the old, Piscean way. Great idea. > > I am interested in your project and would welcome an opportunity to participate in any way I can. I can tell you have given it a lot of thought and we will certainly welcome your participation. I will let you know as I get ideas down. Sat nam, Gururattan Kaur Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 10, 2001 Sat Nam, Thank you for the tips on how to find the book "Handbook..." Humbly, Bhagavati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 11, 2001 I agree with you. I work with people in the AA program. Because I am familiar with the philosophy, I can draw from some of its underlying truths and fit it into my classes. There are people who succeed at both AA and KY. For others, I think it is important that they are at least exposed to KY as an alternative, in the event they, like me, can't adopt to the AA program. Peace, Love and Light, Sukhmani Though I am unfamiliar with the AA community, it would be impossible for me to abandon them with their Piscean age beliefs. (I believe) As Yogi Bhajan has said: it is our responsibility as teachers to bring the World out of the Piscean world of chaos and into the Aquarian Age. Many will depend on us... Humbly, Bhagavati Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 12, 2001 Amazon.com has it available. Peace, Ann --- "Gururattan K.Khalsa" <rattanak wrote: > Ask a metaphysical store to order it. > It is on the shelf in mine. Ask them if it is out of print, if so I can > see > if mine has an extra copy. > > Sat Nam, > > GRK > - > <LHarris > <Kundaliniyoga> > Tuesday, October 09, 2001 3:11 PM > Re: Will and 12 Steps > > > > > > Sat Nam , > > I have tried to get the recommended book: "The Handbook to Higher > > Consciousness" by Ken Keys. However, Barnes & Nobles does not have it > in > > record - even in special order. Any recommendations? > > > > Humbly, Bhavagati > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > > - Yogi Bhajan > > > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My > Groups), or send mail to > > Kundaliniyoga > > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini > Yoga > & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > > > > > > "OUR DESTINY IS TO BE HAPPY" > - Yogi Bhajan > > You can UNSUBSCRIBE from this list at the Groups Member Center (My > Groups), or send mail to > Kundaliniyoga > NO UNSUBSCRIBE REQUESTS TO THE LIST PLEASE! > WEB SITE: kundalini yoga > > KUNDALINI YOGA ON-LINE TRAINING. Details from > kundalini yogaclasses.html > > Sponsored by YOGA TECHNOLOGY - Practical Books & Videos on Kundalini Yoga > & Meditation. Also Meditation & Mantra CDs. > > Your use of is subject to > > > Make a great connection at Personals. http://personals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
