Please console me (if possible)....

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Swamin,

 

Pls note that emperuman, cannot be belittled by all this.

 

Remember one pasuram by Nammazhwar

 

Avar avar irayavar kuraivilar nirayavar

avar avar vidivazhi adaya nindranare.

 

dasan/raghavan

 

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

 

shri:

Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam

 

Dear bhagavatas

 

Pranams.

 

Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my father had left

this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the stubbornness of

ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty.

(Our family tradition of stubbornness)

 

Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get upset…

 

Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto

 

I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans in Richmond hill

(Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at random without

any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts bulbs like wal-

mart.

 

I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see

that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in

the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of

Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there.

They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma

tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the

other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this rubbishness ?)

 

What is your word on this ? It is totally contradicting entire

Thiruvaaimozhi ?

 

Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) : (Naadi neer

vanangum

deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi palapirappum piranthu

marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also …. In the same

centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu konmin.." Also

in reference 1.2.X,

Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil naranan

naanmugan Aran Yennum ….

Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA

 

Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha keerthiyaar.

Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta

 

Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : -

 

Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda – Skanda thara

duryo varado …."

 

When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and lived with ego in

this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember I used watch

movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a old projectors

after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our almighty comes to Mr

Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because our

almighty ,Indra

and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord Murugan) he went

on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for Vinayaka movies too).

 

I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa bhava mad-

bhakato, mad-karma

Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will get eroded !!!

 

Please tell me a word or two so that I can console myself. I am not

here to advise them

Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X ( so I can gently

smile to those people )

 

Adiyaen

 

Sadagopan Daasan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

 

 

 

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Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,,

 

Let me give you some

explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18

puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than

in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are

glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified ,

Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one like

that. People who are in lower modes used to worship

these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is

supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India.

People worship according to their modes of nature..

And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that time

Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa

and he told that he was unhappy though he has written

vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to write

about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and

about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad

bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about the

Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and we,

being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual It

is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole.

Getting a birth of human being is very

rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In this

human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is

rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is precious.

In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen

by his caste or creed but only by his character. So

those who are born in Vaishnava family should try

to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. Vishnu

is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to this

material world. Except Vishnu all the devas including

Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high position

almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is

connected with material nature , Durga.He is the pure

devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of Ego

and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the glories

of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms

..(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of

Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these devas

also belong to this material world only.Sriman

Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or

Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary and

take avatharas according to that.

 

People belong to different modes of nature , and

they worship according to their modes of nature.Let

us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only

Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or

Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like.

 

Krishna Dasee

 

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

..So let modes. shri:

> Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam

>

> Dear bhagavatas

>

> Pranams.

>

> Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my

> father had left

> this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the

> stubbornness of

> ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty.

> (Our family tradition of stubbornness)

>

> Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get

> upset…

>

> Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto

>

> I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans

> in Richmond hill

> (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at

> random without

> any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts

> bulbs like wal-

> mart.

>

> I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every

> time , I see

> that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It

> has brahma , in

> the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty

> In the form of

> Boar trying to go down and in the center of which

> Shiva is there.

> They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty

> and Brahma

> tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see

> his head and the

> other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this

> rubbishness ?)

>

> What is your word on this ? It is totally

> contradicting entire

> Thiruvaaimozhi ?

>

> Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X )

> : (Naadi neer

> vanangum

> deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi

> palapirappum piranthu

> marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also ….

> In the same

> centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu

> konmin.." Also

> in reference 1.2.X,

> Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil

> naranan

> naanmugan Aran Yennum ….

> Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA

>

> Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha

> keerthiyaar.

> Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta

>

> Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : -

>

> Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda –

> Skanda thara

> duryo varado …."

>

> When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and

> lived with ego in

> this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember

> I used watch

> movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a

> old projectors

> after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our

> almighty comes to Mr

> Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because

> our

> almighty ,Indra

> and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord

> Murugan) he went

> on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for Vinayaka

> movies too).

>

> I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa

> bhava mad-

> bhakato, mad-karma

> Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will

> get eroded !!!

>

> Please tell me a word or two so that I can console

> myself. I am not

> here to advise them

> Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X (

> so I can gently

> smile to those people )

>

> Adiyaen

>

> Sadagopan Daasan.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sri Vijyaraghavan Swmay,

 

2 points I want to clarify here.

Bhagavan as 'Mama' of Skanda (Muruga) is all false.

No where in the puranas (Incl. Tamasic puranas), written by Vedavyasa , it

is mentioned.

 

Second misconception is about Parvathi and Durga. Parvathi is NOT SAME AS

DURGA.

Durga is the 'Yoga Maya' and the elder sister of Krishna as per Srimad

Bhagavatam and Sri Vishnu Puranam.

On the other hand, Parvathi was born to Daksha and later to Himavan. who

married Paramasivan. No where connection between these 2 are established

in

older puranas.

 

It is only the later versions of the Saktha religions, which has confused

this issue. Even the the original Saktha religion does not believe this..

The only that later version of Saktha religion as propounded by

Advaitins, this lie was made a truthful statement, by repeatedly saying

this.

 

Due to this confusion, Tamilians started calling

Subramanya (Muruga) as 'Mal Maruga'(or Nephew of Sri Vishnu)

 

Second issue is with Vinayaga. Again, a famous misconception of Vinayaga

writing the Sri Mahabharata. This information is no where in

Sri Mahabrataha. this is only in 'Puranas' written later in different

languages.(Not original Puranas of Sri Vedavysa)

 

Famous for its lies is 'Kanda Puranam' written in Tamil few centuries

back.

There is a popular saying in Tamil('Enthe Pulugum Kanda Purananathile')

meaning, you can find any lies in kanda puranam.

 

Vinaya worship was no where part of original Hindu worship. This cannot be

said for other worship like ParamaSivan, or Skanda.

Paramasivan and Skanda, Durga are all Vedic Gods who had sure powers and

glorified in Vedic statements, puranas.

 

On the other hand, Vinayaka worship came in to South only after Chalykya

empire was burnt down by Narasimha Varma Pallava.

One of the 63 Nayanmars, called as 'Siru Thondar' (one the cheiftains of

Palllava) saw a 'Ganesha' idol in Vatapi admist fire and destruction.

His mind changed and his perception changed towards war and destruction..

He installed the 'Vatapi Ganapathi' to south india and became a

'Siru Thondar' . Rest is history..

 

Ganapathi as 'Muzhu mudal Kadavul' etc. are all False.

 

Also you see the 'Suklam barathram' slogam, some people conveniently

ignore the last 2 lines which clearly establishes, it is not a prayer to

Ganapathi.

 

Even the 'Vinayagar Agaval' was not wriiten by Avviyar as it is claimed..

during Avvaiyar times, there was no Vinayaga worship prevelant.

 

Sorry for a long mail.

 

Dasan

Regards

KM Narayanan

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vijaya Raghavan <svrvan on 09/21/2004 07:45:52 PM

 

Please respond to ramanuja

 

ramanuja

cc:

 

Re: [ramanuja] Please console me (if possible)....

 

Swamin,

 

Pls note that emperuman, cannot be belittled by all this.

 

Remember one pasuram by Nammazhwar

 

Avar avar irayavar kuraivilar nirayavar

avar avar vidivazhi adaya nindranare.

 

dasan/raghavan

 

bsundarrajansrivilliputtur <bsundarrajansrivilliputtur wrote:

 

shri:

Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam

 

Dear bhagavatas

 

Pranams.

 

Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before my father had left

this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the stubbornness of

ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty.

(Our family tradition of stubbornness)

 

Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha ?. Please Don't get upset?

 

Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto

 

I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans in Richmond hill

(Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at random without

any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts bulbs like wal-

mart.

 

I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see

that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in

the form of holy-Swan flying up ?. and our almighty In the form of

Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there.

They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma

tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and the

other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this rubbishness ?)

 

What is your word on this ? It is totally contradicting entire

Thiruvaaimozhi ?

 

Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X ) : (Naadi neer

vanangum

deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi palapirappum piranthu

marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu?. ) , Also ?. In the same

centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku kandu konmin.." Also

in reference 1.2.X,

Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra Nanrelil naranan

naanmugan Aran Yennum ?.

Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA

 

Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha keerthiyaar.

Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta

 

Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : -

 

Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda ? Skanda thara

duryo varado ?."

 

When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and lived with ego in

this ego-centric world[until recently], I remember I used watch

movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with a old projectors

after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our almighty comes to Mr

Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because our

almighty ,Indra

and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu (Lord Murugan) he went

on a war with Soorapadman? (similarly for Vinayaka movies too).

 

I have some slokas engraved in my heart, (man-manaa bhava mad-

bhakato, mad-karma

Krit?) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will get eroded !!!

 

Please tell me a word or two so that I can console myself. I am not

here to advise them

Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey ?..4.10.X ( so I can gently

smile to those people )

 

Adiyaen

 

Sadagopan Daasan.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

 

Dear Vaishnavas,

 

Excuse me for the mistake.Veda Vyasa

compiled Vedas, not wrote as i had mentioned.

 

Krishna Dasee

Vedavalli.

 

 

vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga wrote:

 

> Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,,

>

> Let me give you some

> explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all

> 18

> puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

> and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than

> in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are

> glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified ,

> Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one

> like

> that. People who are in lower modes used to worship

> these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is

> supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India.

> People worship according to their modes of nature..

> And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that

> time

> Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa

> and he told that he was unhappy though he has

> written

> vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to

> write

> about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and

> about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad

> bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about

> the

> Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and

> we,

> being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual

> It

> is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole.

> Getting a birth of human being is very

> rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In

> this

> human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is

> rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is

> precious.

> In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen

> by his caste or creed but only by his character. So

> those who are born in Vaishnava family should try

> to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also.

> Vishnu

> is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to

> this

> material world. Except Vishnu all the devas

> including

> Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high

> position

> almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is

> connected with material nature , Durga.He is the

> pure

> devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of

> Ego

> and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the

> glories

> of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms

> .(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of

> Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these

> devas

> also belong to this material world only.Sriman

> Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or

> Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary

> and

> take avatharas according to that.

>

> People belong to different modes of nature ,

> and

> they worship according to their modes of nature.Let

> us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only

> Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or

> Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like.

>

> Krishna Dasee

>

> Vedavalli Ranganathan.

> .So let modes. shri:

> > Shri sadagopan thiruvadigale saranam

> >

> > Dear bhagavatas

> >

> > Pranams.

> >

> > Once again apologise this idiot(ag-gyani). Before

> my

> > father had left

> > this world, for parama-padam, He had lit up the

> > stubbornness of

> > ananya) bhakthi to our Almighty.

> > (Our family tradition of stubbornness)

> >

> > Vaasaga dosham santhavyaha …. Please Don't get

> > upset…

> >

> > Place : Bayview Ave Richmond hill,Toronto

> >

> > I used to go to a hindu temple built by srilankans

> > in Richmond hill

> > (Temple Notes: All the hindu gods(M/F) are kept at

> > random without

> > any discretion !!! ) illuminated with 25000 Watts

> > bulbs like wal-

> > mart.

> >

> > I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always,

> every

> > time , I see

> > that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this.

> It

> > has brahma , in

> > the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our

> almighty

> > In the form of

> > Boar trying to go down and in the center of which

> > Shiva is there.

> > They try to depict a story that Our beloved

> almighty

> > and Brahma

> > tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to

> see

> > his head and the

> > other tail. (Where in the Vedas they found this

> > rubbishness ?)

> >

> > What is your word on this ? It is totally

> > contradicting entire

> > Thiruvaaimozhi ?

> >

> > Our Kaarimaaran in his punching words (Ref 4.10.X

> )

> > : (Naadi neer

> > vanangum

> > deivamum ummaiyum mun padaithaan ,Odi Odi

> > palapirappum piranthu

> > marroru theivam paadiyaadi paninthu…. ) , Also ….

> > In the same

> > centum it goes like "Kapaala nan-mokkathukku

> kandu

> > konmin.." Also

> > in reference 1.2.X,

> > Onrenap palavena yaavarum vadivinul ninra

> Nanrelil

> > naranan

> > naanmugan Aran Yennum ….

> > Yemmaiyum Yel-ualagaiyum ninnulley thorriya KALVAA

>

> >

> > Kaliyan says : Kaanilum urupolaar, sevik-innatha

> > keerthiyaar.

> > Of the Rudraas ,, I am sambhu. - Geeta

> >

> > Adiyaen's Feeling #2 : -

> >

> > Our Vishnu sahasranaamam goes like this "Skanda –

> > Skanda thara

> > duryo varado …."

> >

> > When I was a child(boy) with 100% ignorance and

> > lived with ego in

> > this ego-centric world[until recently], I

> remember

> > I used watch

> > movies in the street (big- dhoti like screen ,with

> a

> > old projectors

> > after 8 P.M ) . The movie goes like this -> our

> > almighty comes to Mr

> > Lord Murugan(Kutty vaandu , Siruvan ) and because

> > our

> > almighty ,Indra

> > and other Devaas requested this kutty vaandu

> (Lord

> > Murugan) he went

> > on a war with Soorapadman… (similarly for

> Vinayaka

> > movies too).

> >

> > I have some slokas engraved in my heart,

> (man-manaa

> > bhava mad-

> > bhakato, mad-karma

> > Krit…) so it is very unlikely that my feeling will

> > get eroded !!!

> >

> > Please tell me a word or two so that I can console

> > myself. I am not

> > here to advise them

> > Yelleerum Veedu petraal Ulagillai-andrey …..4.10.X

> (

> > so I can gently

> > smile to those people )

> >

> > Adiyaen

> >

> > Sadagopan Daasan.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear Simathe Vedavelli Ranganathan,

There is a small correction which adiyen likes to point out in the following

post

 

Quote:

" Let me give you some

explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18

puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas"

 

 

Unquote:

VyasaDeva never wrote any of the vedas.

He only did the mammoth task of classifying the ever existing vedas into

Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atarvana.

He did the classification into Karma Kandam and Gnyana Kandam.

Karma kandam relates to Yagas and Yagnyas which give material benefit, where

all the other deities such as sri Paramasivan, Srimathe Parvathy, Sri Skanda

etc are glorified.

But Gnyana Kandam relates to the Veda antham (end) that is why it is called

VedAntha.

They try to explore the characteristic of the lord. But they succeed only to

a partial extent.

Vedas dont have any creater like our beloved Lord. They are suppose to be

the breath of the lord(Swasam of sriman Narayana).

Learned members of this group may throw more light on this.

 

 

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

Varadarajan

 

 

 

Message: 4

Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT)

vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga

Re: Please console me (if possible)....

 

Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,,

 

Let me give you some

explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all 18

puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than

in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are

glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified ,

Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one like

that. People who are in lower modes used to worship

these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is

supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India.

People worship according to their modes of nature..

And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that time

Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa

and he told that he was unhappy though he has written

vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to write

about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and

about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad

bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about the

Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and we,

being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual It

is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole.

Getting a birth of human being is very

rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In this

human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is

rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is precious.

In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen

by his caste or creed but only by his character. So

those who are born in Vaishnava family should try

to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also. Vishnu

is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to this

material world. Except Vishnu all the devas including

Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high position

almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is

connected with material nature , Durga.He is the pure

devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of Ego

and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the glories

of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms

..(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of

Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these devas

also belong to this material world only.Sriman

Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or

Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary and

take avatharas according to that.

 

People belong to different modes of nature , and

they worship according to their modes of nature.Let

us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only

Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or

Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like.

 

Krishna Dasee

[Guest guest]

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha:

 

 

Dear sri Varadharajan,

 

Immediately i sent another

posting asking excuse for my mistake. Vyasa only

compiled vedas but he didn't write them.Vedas came

from Lord Himself.They are sabdha brahman. i admit

my mistake. thank you. you are correct.

 

Krishna dasee

 

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

--- "Varadarajan S (CTC)" <varada wrote:

 

> Dear Simathe Vedavelli Ranganathan,

> There is a small correction which adiyen likes to

> point out in the following

> post

>

> Quote:

> " Let me give you some

> explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all

> 18

> puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

> and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas"

>

>

> Unquote:

> VyasaDeva never wrote any of the vedas.

> He only did the mammoth task of classifying the ever

> existing vedas into

> Rig, Yajur, Sama and Atarvana.

> He did the classification into Karma Kandam and

> Gnyana Kandam.

> Karma kandam relates to Yagas and Yagnyas which give

> material benefit, where

> all the other deities such as sri Paramasivan,

> Srimathe Parvathy, Sri Skanda

> etc are glorified.

> But Gnyana Kandam relates to the Veda antham (end)

> that is why it is called

> VedAntha.

> They try to explore the characteristic of the lord.

> But they succeed only to

> a partial extent.

> Vedas dont have any creater like our beloved Lord.

> They are suppose to be

> the breath of the lord(Swasam of sriman Narayana).

> Learned members of this group may throw more light

> on this.

>

>

> Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan,

> Varadarajan

>

>

>

> Message: 4

> Thu, 23 Sep 2004 07:25:16 -0700 (PDT)

> vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga

> Re: Please console me (if possible)....

>

> Dear Vaishnava brother sunderrajan,,

>

> Let me give you some

> explanations as i know a little.VyasaDeva wrote all

> 18

> puranas Six puranas each in satwik nature , Rajasic

> and Tamasic. and he only wrote all vedas.Other than

> in Satwik puranas different kind of demigods are

> glorified. In Devi Puranam Durga is glorified ,

> Vinayaka in one and muruga in on and siva in one

> like

> that. People who are in lower modes used to worship

> these demigods thinking their worshiping deity is

> supreme.Thats the problem still going on in India.

> People worship according to their modes of nature..

> And Finally vyasa was not satisfied and at that

> time

> Naradha Came there. and He asked the reason to Vyasa

> and he told that he was unhappy though he has

> written

> vedas and all puranas. then Naradha told him to

> write

> about Bhagwan Sriman Narayana and , His lilas and

> about His devottees. After Writing this Srimad

> bhagwatham Vyasa felt happy because he wrote about

> the

> Supreme truth. .Perumal is blissful (Vibhu) and

> we,

> being a part of him is Anu.As our atma is spiritual

> It

> is happy when it is connected with Supreme whole.

> Getting a birth of human being is very

> rare.There are 4 lakhs species of human being.In

> this

> human form of life getting a body of a brahmana is

> rare. Still getting a body of a Vaishnava is

> precious.

> In Bhagwath Gita Krishna says A vashnava is not seen

> by his caste or creed but only by his character. So

> those who are born in Vaishnava family should try

> to remain a pure Vaishnava in active life also.

> Vishnu

> is superior to all demigods.He is trancadental to

> this

> material world. Except Vishnu all the devas

> including

> Siva is considered a demigod. He is in a high

> position

> almost equal to Vishnu but not equal because he is

> connected with material nature , Durga.He is the

> pure

> devottee of Sankarshana,who is the supreme lord of

> Ego

> and annihilation. Siva is always chanting the

> glories

> of Sankarshana .Sankarshana is one of the forms

> .(Vasudeva,sankarshana,Pradhumna and Aniruddha) of

> Chathur Vyuha .Durga, vinayaka,Muruga all these

> devas

> also belong to this material world only.Sriman

> Narayana alone belong to spiritual world or

> Vaikuntha.He descends whenever there is necessary

> and

> take avatharas according to that.

>

> People belong to different modes of nature ,

> and

> they worship according to their modes of nature.Let

> us all try to be pure Vaishnavas and worship only

> Lord Vishnu or Krishna or Rama or,Varadharaja,or

> Narasimha or anyother Vishnu form we like.

>

> Krishna Dasee

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Devotee,

> I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see

> that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in

> the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of

> Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there.

> They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma

> tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and

the > other tail.

 

If this one merely irks your eyes, wait till you read accounts from

shiva/linga puranas & sharabhopanishad. The story of Nrsimha slain by

rudra in the form of sharabha. They twist the whole meaning of "harim

harantam..." yajurvedic mantra as "shiva who killed Hari (in the form

of Nrsimha)". In tamil nadu there is a shiva temple, if I remember

correctly, where he is called "sattainathar" - shiva who is wearing

the skin of vishnu for clothes!

 

You have to take them as the hostility of shaivas & vaishnavas in

yesteryears channelized through literary means. Vaishnavas have given

the shaivas their due in their puranas. For example, in Harivamsha,

there is a story on how shiva became nIlakanTha - Vishnu choked shiva

to such an extent that shiva started begging for mercy. The mark from

the choking became permanent on Shiva's throat.

 

Regards,

Kasturi Rangan .K

[Guest guest]

Yes Kasturi rangan swami,

 

There had been a fight for supermacy between Shaivas and vaishnavas.

This was all to get the patronage of the rulers of the era and all these

were done with the aim on that only.

 

But when you take the works of either Shankara or Ramanuja or seers of that

order

and this kind of animosity is not there.

 

In fact it is Shankara who gave us the Bhaja Govindam. Let us take this kind of

Satvik views. You have Krishna premi's and not shiva premi's as sect.

 

Let us build on the premise of Love, respect and righteousness everyone will

come to

that.

 

Dasan/raghavan

 

kasturirangan_k <kasturirangan_k wrote:

Dear Devotee,

> I also see a sculpture ,irking my eyes always, every time , I see

> that pillar where a sculpture depicts like this. It has brahma , in

> the form of holy-Swan flying up …. and our almighty In the form of

> Boar trying to go down and in the center of which Shiva is there.

> They try to depict a story that Our beloved almighty and Brahma

> tried to find the origin of Shiva one trying to see his head and

the > other tail.

 

If this one merely irks your eyes, wait till you read accounts from

shiva/linga puranas & sharabhopanishad. The story of Nrsimha slain by

rudra in the form of sharabha. They twist the whole meaning of "harim

harantam..." yajurvedic mantra as "shiva who killed Hari (in the form

of Nrsimha)". In tamil nadu there is a shiva temple, if I remember

correctly, where he is called "sattainathar" - shiva who is wearing

the skin of vishnu for clothes!

 

You have to take them as the hostility of shaivas & vaishnavas in

yesteryears channelized through literary means. Vaishnavas have given

the shaivas their due in their puranas. For example, in Harivamsha,

there is a story on how shiva became nIlakanTha - Vishnu choked shiva

to such an extent that shiva started begging for mercy. The mark from

the choking became permanent on Shiva's throat.

 

Regards,

Kasturi Rangan .K

 

 

 

 

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