Addlt thoughts on Sriman Balaji's queries

September 15, 2004

Dear Sriman Balaji,

AzhwArs and other AchAryas have explained what different features of His

ThirumEni symbolize. I am not able to write since I too dont know.

For example, He wields weapons only to assure us that He is ready to protect us

always without delay, as Bhattar says:

pAtu: praNata rakshAyAm vilambam asahanniva

sadA panchAyudhI bibhrat sana: SrIranganAyaka:

in SrIrangarAja stavam.

Also He reclines on the serpent only to assure us He is contemplating on ways to

uplift us.

Someone may please add as to why He is lotus-eyed.

>

> lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya thirumeni , blue bodied , white face

>

> (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall glittering crown

>

> vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe with milky ocean which is

called as

>

> parama padam (highest abode) so called our moksham( our final

> destination)

>

> what is the situation of those who have already attained

> salvation. ?

How is mOksham our final destination? Why is it needed?

Dasan

Vishnu

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September 16, 2004

Dear Sriman Vishnu,

Swethadwipa is situated in the

material universe. Kshirodakasayee vishnu , who is

paramathma within our heart and incharge of Sathwik

guna is residing in the swethadwipa within this

Universe. Vaikuntha is not within this world . this

world is totally material.In the end of this material

world Viraja river or the causal ocean is there.

Beyond this the spiritual world is situated. Krishna

says there is no need of sun moon or electricity

there. From the body of Narayana the effulgance

spread through out the universe from which the the sun

in the material world gets light.This light is called

Brahma jyothi.If a pure bhaktha dies his atma travels

with the material ego, intelligence and mind till it

reaches viraja river. then the subtle body takes bath

in this river the atma get rid of this subtle body

and gets spiritual body suitable to go to

Vaikuntha.This i heard from Acharyas and scriptures.

Krishna Dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

The > AzhwArs and other AchAryas have explained what

> different features of His ThirumEni symbolize. I am

> not able to write since I too dont know.

>

> For example, He wields weapons only to assure us

> that He is ready to protect us always without delay,

> as Bhattar says:

>

> pAtu: praNata rakshAyAm vilambam asahanniva

> sadA panchAyudhI bibhrat sana: SrIranganAyaka:

> in SrIrangarAja stavam.

>

> Also He reclines on the serpent only to assure us He

> is contemplating on ways to uplift us.

>

> Someone may please add as to why He is lotus-eyed.

>

> >

> > lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya thirumeni

> , blue bodied , white face

> >

> > (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall glittering

> crown

> >

> > vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe

> with milky ocean which is called as

> >

> > parama padam (highest abode) so called our

> moksham( our final

> > destination)

> >

> > what is the situation of those who have already

> attained

> > salvation. ?

>

> How is mOksham our final destination? Why is it

> needed?

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

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September 16, 2004

dear Smt Vedavalli,

That is OK. why should we try/wish to go there, when He is very much

in our heart?

Dasan

Vishnu

ramanuja, vedavalli ranganathan

<vedaranga> wrote:

> Dear Sriman Vishnu,

>

> Swethadwipa is situated in the

> material universe. Kshirodakasayee vishnu , who is

> paramathma within our heart and incharge of Sathwik

> guna is residing in the swethadwipa within this

> Universe. Vaikuntha is not within this world . this

> world is totally material.In the end of this material

> world Viraja river or the causal ocean is there.

> Beyond this the spiritual world is situated. Krishna

> says there is no need of sun moon or electricity

> there. From the body of Narayana the effulgance

> spread through out the universe from which the the sun

> in the material world gets light.This light is called

> Brahma jyothi.If a pure bhaktha dies his atma travels

> with the material ego, intelligence and mind till it

> reaches viraja river. then the subtle body takes bath

> in this river the atma get rid of this subtle body

> and gets spiritual body suitable to go to

> Vaikuntha.This i heard from Acharyas and scriptures.

>

> Krishna Dasee

>

> Vedavalli Ranganathan.

>

> The > AzhwArs and other AchAryas have explained what

> > different features of His ThirumEni symbolize. I am

> > not able to write since I too dont know.

> >

> > For example, He wields weapons only to assure us

> > that He is ready to protect us always without delay,

> > as Bhattar says:

> >

> > pAtu: praNata rakshAyAm vilambam asahanniva

> > sadA panchAyudhI bibhrat sana: SrIranganAyaka:

> > in SrIrangarAja stavam.

> >

> > Also He reclines on the serpent only to assure us He

> > is contemplating on ways to uplift us.

> >

> > Someone may please add as to why He is lotus-eyed.

> >

> > >

> > > lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya thirumeni

> > , blue bodied , white face

> > >

> > > (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall glittering

> > crown

> > >

> > > vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the universe

> > with milky ocean which is called as

> > >

> > > parama padam (highest abode) so called our

> > moksham( our final

> > > destination)

> > >

> > > what is the situation of those who have already

> > attained

> > > salvation. ?

> >

> > How is mOksham our final destination? Why is it

> > needed?

> >

> > Dasan

> > Vishnu

> >

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September 16, 2004

Dear Sri Vishnu,

This world is full of miseries. We are

suffering from three fold miseries. they are

Adyatmika, aadiDeivika and Aadhi bouthika. suffering

from our own body, mind ect which is called

Adyatmika. Then suffering from others like animals,

insects and people connected with us (AAdhi boudhika)

and suffering from calamities like earthquake, flood,

famine etc(Aadhideivika). With all these miseries

around are we able to think of Him always? sometimes

we even forgot that He is there in our heart.But it is

difficult to concentrate on Paramatma within our

heart.

Thats why for constant thinking of him we

go to temples or worship Him at home in the Pictures

or vigraha.Every one of us should try to go to the

spiritual world where there is no birth, death, oldage

and disease.There is only bliss there. we are

servants to the Lord and He is our master. So we can

do devotional service to Him there without any

hindrance.We came here because we disobeyed him and

wanted to lord over material nature with our little

independence..Like a kind father He always wants us to

come there.Thats why He never leaves us, and having

compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

always guiding us.If we go there We can see him eye to

eye and also talk with him and also do service to Him

according to our standard of level of bhakthi. We

wont have any miseries only happiness there.and once

we go there we will never come back to this mmaterial

world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he has

to cultivate certain methods in the path of

devotional service here.

Krishna Dasee

Bedavalli Ranganathan.

ing of him we go to temple Thats why for

constant thinko

--- Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

> dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> That is OK. why should we try/wish to go there, when

> He is very much

> in our heart?

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

> ramanuja, vedavalli

> ranganathan

> <vedaranga> wrote:

> > Dear Sriman Vishnu,

> >

> > Swethadwipa is situated in the

> > material universe. Kshirodakasayee vishnu , who

> is

> > paramathma within our heart and incharge of

> Sathwik

> > guna is residing in the swethadwipa within this

> > Universe. Vaikuntha is not within this world .

> this

> > world is totally material.In the end of this

> material

> > world Viraja river or the causal ocean is there.

> > Beyond this the spiritual world is situated.

> Krishna

> > says there is no need of sun moon or electricity

> > there. From the body of Narayana the effulgance

> > spread through out the universe from which the the

> sun

> > in the material world gets light.This light is

> called

> > Brahma jyothi.If a pure bhaktha dies his atma

> travels

> > with the material ego, intelligence and mind till

> it

> > reaches viraja river. then the subtle body takes

> bath

> > in this river the atma get rid of this subtle

> body

> > and gets spiritual body suitable to go to

> > Vaikuntha.This i heard from Acharyas and

> scriptures.

> >

> > Krishna Dasee

> >

> > Vedavalli Ranganathan.

> >

> > The > AzhwArs and other AchAryas have explained

> what

> > > different features of His ThirumEni symbolize. I

> am

> > > not able to write since I too dont know.

> > >

> > > For example, He wields weapons only to assure us

> > > that He is ready to protect us always without

> delay,

> > > as Bhattar says:

> > >

> > > pAtu: praNata rakshAyAm vilambam asahanniva

> > > sadA panchAyudhI bibhrat sana: SrIranganAyaka:

> > > in SrIrangarAja stavam.

> > >

> > > Also He reclines on the serpent only to assure

> us He

> > > is contemplating on ways to uplift us.

> > >

> > > Someone may please add as to why He is

> lotus-eyed.

> > >

> > > >

> > > > lotus hands, beautiful limbs , soundarya

> thirumeni

> > > , blue bodied , white face

> > > >

> > > > (kathir mathiyam pol mukathaan) - ,tall

> glittering

> > > crown

> > > >

> > > > vaikuntam is a (unreachable) place in the

> universe

> > > with milky ocean which is called as

> > > >

> > > > parama padam (highest abode) so called our

> > > moksham( our final

> > > > destination)

> > > >

> > > > what is the situation of those who have

> already

> > > attained

> > > > salvation. ?

> > >

> > > How is mOksham our final destination? Why is it

> > > needed?

> > >

> > > Dasan

> > > Vishnu

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September 17, 2004

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Vishnu,

I started laughing when I read your post. If you don't

want to come, you stay in this bhUlOkam itself and I will send you

mails from srI vaikuNTam and give you updates about what's happening

there:-) Did you ask this question seriously or just for fun(like

how people respond)? If it is the latter part, then surely I would

like to respond to your post too.

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

dAsAnu dAsI

NC Nappinnai

> That is OK. why should we try/wish to go there, when He is very

much

> in our heart?

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

September 18, 2004

Swamin,

To censure is okay and even my Lord does that But to be honest I would like to

hear what our people answer to this qurrey of why i should aim of Srivaikunta?

Adiyen thinks, I need not go to srivaikuntam, but remain as his fellow devotee

whom krisna says he follows and rejoices in. Acc to our aacharyas, we have to

strive to become Nityasuri's and not aim for the swarga, naraka srivaikunta or

anyother

place where we have a seperate life than the Emperuman.

Dasan/raghavan

vaidhehi_nc <nappinnai_nc wrote:

Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Vishnu,

I started laughing when I read your post. If you don't

want to come, you stay in this bhUlOkam itself and I will send you

mails from srI vaikuNTam and give you updates about what's happening

there:-) Did you ask this question seriously or just for fun(like

how people respond)? If it is the latter part, then surely I would

like to respond to your post too.

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

dAsAnu dAsI

NC Nappinnai

> That is OK. why should we try/wish to go there, when He is very

much

> in our heart?

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

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September 20, 2004

Dear Ms Nappinnai,

According to Indian movies, all other worlds are equally computerized

and the style of functioning of people there changed a lot!

Coming to my question, let us refer to "ErAr muyal vittukkAkkaippin

pOvadhE...", "emmA vIdum vENdA endhanakku un thALiNaiyE ammA!..." etc.

We can safely forget the paramapadham and keep worshipping the image

of the omni-present. Also it is only SEshatvam that is desired and

not our getting elevated. Since "vazhuvilA adimai" is not possible

here for whatever reasons, our longing to go to a place where it is

possible, is justified. Since we keep having happiness and sorrow

here, the idea of a place where there is only happiness, gives

confidence.

I request any of you to explain as to why hare and crow are chosen,

in "ErAr muyalvittu..."

dAsAnudAsan

Vishnu

ramanuja, "vaidhehi_nc" <nappinnai_nc>

wrote:

> Sri:

> Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

> Dear Vishnu,

> I started laughing when I read your post. If you don't

> want to come, you stay in this bhUlOkam itself and I will send you

> mails from srI vaikuNTam and give you updates about what's

happening

> there:-) Did you ask this question seriously or just for fun(like

> how people respond)? If it is the latter part, then surely I would

> like to respond to your post too.

>

> AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

> dAsAnu dAsI

> NC Nappinnai

>

September 20, 2004

ramanuja, vedavalli ranganathan

<vedaranga> wrote:

> Dear Sri Vishnu,

>

> So we can

> do devotional service to Him there without any

> hindrance.

Dear Smt Vedavalli,

What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional service? (again refer to

Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> always guiding us.

There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I will try to

write later.

>If we go there We can see him eye to

> eye and also talk with him and also do service to Him

> according to our standard of level of bhakthi. We

> wont have any miseries only happiness there.and once

> we go there we will never come back to this mmaterial

> world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he has

> to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> devotional service here.

>

Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give the sanskrit

equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is right).

Dasan

Vishnu

September 21, 2004

Bagavathas,

Sanskrit for Devotion is Bhakti. Again our seers have found various forms in

bhakti.

1.Nayak Nayaki Bhav - Meera/ Andal etc.,

2. Swami Dasa - hanuman, garuda, etc

etc., in 9 forms

Dasan/raghavan

Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

ramanuja, vedavalli ranganathan

<vedaranga> wrote:

> Dear Sri Vishnu,

>

> So we can

> do devotional service to Him there without any

> hindrance.

Dear Smt Vedavalli,

What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional service? (again refer to

Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> always guiding us.

There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I will try to

write later.

>If we go there We can see him eye to

> eye and also talk with him and also do service to Him

> according to our standard of level of bhakthi. We

> wont have any miseries only happiness there.and once

> we go there we will never come back to this mmaterial

> world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he has

> to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> devotional service here.

>

Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give the sanskrit

equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is right).

Dasan

Vishnu

azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

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September 21, 2004

Dear Sri Vishnu,

As for as i understand, Devotion is

called Bhakthi.Actions that are done with pure

bhakthi, which are connected With the Supreme Person

alone, is called devotional service.

Yes , we have to cultivate or practice

pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within our

heart. Due to our Karmas, and material desires,and

because of Maya we dont develop our bhakthi.And for

Pure devotion we should have surrendering mentality to

Him and receive His mercy also. If we take one step

towards Him He will take two steps towards us.That is

Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is difficult

to advance.From reading your postings i understand you

are a knowledgable person. I think you are teasing me

with your questions. I am answering you with my

limited knowledge.

Krishna dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

--- Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

> ramanuja, vedavalli

> ranganathan

> <vedaranga> wrote:

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > So we can

> > do devotional service to Him there without any

> > hindrance.

>

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional

> service? (again refer to

> Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>

> >Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> > compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> > always guiding us.

>

> There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I

> will try to

> write later.

>

> >If we go there We can see him eye to

> > eye and also talk with him and also do service to

> Him

> > according to our standard of level of bhakthi.

> We

> > wont have any miseries only happiness there.and

> once

> > we go there we will never come back to this

> mmaterial

> > world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he

> has

> > to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> > devotional service here.

> >

>

> Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give

> the sanskrit

> equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is

> right).

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

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Regarding the nine forms , is it the nava vidha

sambandha as given Pillai Lokacharyar?

Krishnadasi

Vedavalli

> Bagavathas,

>

> Sanskrit for Devotion is Bhakti. Again our seers

> have found various forms in bhakti.

>

> 1.Nayak Nayaki Bhav - Meera/ Andal etc.,

> 2. Swami Dasa - hanuman, garuda, etc

> etc., in 9 forms

>

> Dasan/raghavan

>

> Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

> ramanuja, vedavalli

> ranganathan

> <vedaranga> wrote:

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > So we can

> > do devotional service to Him there without any

> > hindrance.

>

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional

> service? (again refer to

> Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>

> >Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> > compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> > always guiding us.

>

> There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I

> will try to

> write later.

>

> >If we go there We can see him eye to

> > eye and also talk with him and also do service to

> Him

> > according to our standard of level of bhakthi.

> We

> > wont have any miseries only happiness there.and

> once

> > we go there we will never come back to this

> mmaterial

> > world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he

> has

> > to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> > devotional service here.

> >

>

> Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give

> the sanskrit

> equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is

> right).

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

>

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yes

vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga wrote:Regarding the nine forms , is

it the nava vidha

sambandha as given Pillai Lokacharyar?

Krishnadasi

Vedavalli

> Bagavathas,

>

> Sanskrit for Devotion is Bhakti. Again our seers

> have found various forms in bhakti.

>

> 1.Nayak Nayaki Bhav - Meera/ Andal etc.,

> 2. Swami Dasa - hanuman, garuda, etc

> etc., in 9 forms

>

> Dasan/raghavan

>

> Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

> ramanuja, vedavalli

> ranganathan

> <vedaranga> wrote:

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > So we can

> > do devotional service to Him there without any

> > hindrance.

>

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional

> service? (again refer to

> Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>

> >Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> > compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> > always guiding us.

>

> There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I

> will try to

> write later.

>

> >If we go there We can see him eye to

> > eye and also talk with him and also do service to

> Him

> > according to our standard of level of bhakthi.

> We

> > wont have any miseries only happiness there.and

> once

> > we go there we will never come back to this

> mmaterial

> > world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he

> has

> > to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> > devotional service here.

> >

>

> Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give

> the sanskrit

> equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is

> right).

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

> azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam

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September 22, 2004

Swamin,

Bhakti, as a tool of worship is embodied in our azhwars and acharyas.

Take this pasuram,

Pachai ma malai pol meni, pavazhya vaai kamala chen kann

......

Ichvai thavira yaan poi indira lokam aalum, ahchuvai perinum venden.

That is the level to which our ahzhwars loved the emperuman.

Dasan/raghavan

vedavalli ranganathan <vedaranga wrote:

Dear Sri Vishnu,

As for as i understand, Devotion is

called Bhakthi.Actions that are done with pure

bhakthi, which are connected With the Supreme Person

alone, is called devotional service.

Yes , we have to cultivate or practice

pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within our

heart. Due to our Karmas, and material desires,and

because of Maya we dont develop our bhakthi.And for

Pure devotion we should have surrendering mentality to

Him and receive His mercy also. If we take one step

towards Him He will take two steps towards us.That is

Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is difficult

to advance.From reading your postings i understand you

are a knowledgable person. I think you are teasing me

with your questions. I am answering you with my

limited knowledge.

Krishna dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

--- Vishnu <vsmvishnu wrote:

> ramanuja, vedavalli

> ranganathan

> <vedaranga> wrote:

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > So we can

> > do devotional service to Him there without any

> > hindrance.

>

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> What is the sanskrit equivalent to devotional

> service? (again refer to

> Bhagavadgita As It Is)

>

> >Thats why He never leaves us, and having

> > compassion on us He comes and sits in our heart

> > always guiding us.

>

> There is a very good annamayya song on this, which I

> will try to

> write later.

>

> >If we go there We can see him eye to

> > eye and also talk with him and also do service to

> Him

> > according to our standard of level of bhakthi.

> We

> > wont have any miseries only happiness there.and

> once

> > we go there we will never come back to this

> mmaterial

> > world. and suffer.but If one wants to go there he

> has

> > to cultivate certain methods in the path of

> > devotional service here.

> >

>

> Do we have to cultivate? I will write after you give

> the sanskrit

> equivalent of devotional service (I understand it is

> right).

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

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Dear Smt Vedavalli,

Your (right) write-up on sAttvika ahankAram told me u had read

BhagavadgItA As It Is (correct me if I am wrong). Why are you going

back now? Kindly tell me what is devotional service in sanskrit:-)

I guessed you would give the right word.

> Dear Sri Vishnu,

>

> Yes , we have to cultivate or practice

> pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within our

> heart. Due to our Karmas, and material desires,and

> because of Maya we dont develop our bhakthi.And for

> Pure devotion we should have surrendering mentality to

> Him and receive His mercy also. If we take one step

> towards Him He will take two steps towards us.That is

> Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is difficult

> to advance.From reading your postings i understand you

> are a knowledgable person. I think you are teasing me

> with your questions. I am answering you with my

> limited knowledge.

I am sorry. I am neither knowledgeable nor teasing anyone. As my

AchArya reiterates: "Youngsters should discuss, analyze", I am trying

to move with that spirit. Also the opinions given in the list are

based on my own understanding.

Dasan

Vishnu

September 22, 2004

Dear Sri vishnu,

devotional service is called bhakthi in

sanskrit.all activities reg.mind,body and soul done

with pure devotionwhich are connected with the supreme

Person( Perumal) alone is called devotional

service.In the scriptures it is said there are nine

kinds of devotional service.they are sravanam,

kirtanam,smaranam or remembering,vandhanam or paying

obeisances,padhasevanam, Dasyam, worshiping,treating

as a friend, and Atma nevadhanam.

Sravanam--- Parikshit Maharaj

Kirtanam --- Sukha dev goswami

Smaranam --- Bhaktha Prahlad

Vandanam --- Akrura

Padhasevanam --- Lakshmiji always doing service to

Maha vishnu

Worshipping ----Prithu Maharaj

Dasyam ----- Hanuman

Worshipping ---- Prithu Maharaj

Treating as a friend ---Arjuna

Atma Nivedhanam ----Bali Maharaj

Above said Personalities are example for pure

devottees. And also Ambarisha Maharaj was always doing

bhakthi with all his senses , mind and soul.Yes i

admit i read bhagwath gita as it is .I heard Pillai

Lokachariar also had given nine sambhanda reg.

devotional service .I am trying to get that.If any

one know that please let me know that.

Krishna Dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

<vsmvishnu wrote:

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> Your (right) write-up on sAttvika ahankAram told me

> u had read

> BhagavadgItA As It Is (correct me if I am wrong).

> Why are you going

> back now? Kindly tell me what is devotional service

> in sanskrit:-)

> I guessed you would give the right word.

>

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > Yes , we have to cultivate or

> practice

> > pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within our

> > heart. Due to our Karmas, and material desires,and

> > because of Maya we dont develop our bhakthi.And

> for

> > Pure devotion we should have surrendering

> mentality to

> > Him and receive His mercy also. If we take one

> step

> > towards Him He will take two steps towards us.That

> is

> > Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is

> difficult

> > to advance.From reading your postings i understand

> you

> > are a knowledgable person. I think you are teasing

> me

> > with your questions. I am answering you with my

> > limited knowledge.

>

> I am sorry. I am neither knowledgeable nor teasing

> anyone. As my

> AchArya reiterates: "Youngsters should discuss,

> analyze", I am trying

> to move with that spirit. Also the opinions given in

> the list are

> based on my own understanding.

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

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Sri:

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Dear Vishnu,

I was joking. I am not that keen about srI vaikuNTam for

couple of reasons. I don't find paravAsudEvan as handsome as the

azhagiya maNavALan in bhujanga shayanam. If there is only happiness,

will it not be boring? Only in the pain/separation, love blossoms to

its fullest I guess! Even if i am in some remote corner of this

material world, the thought of srI ranganATha on the serpent bed

brings me a smile and makes me wonder about Him. He is happily

enjoying His nidra instead of doing yOgam. That's why He is taking

such a long time to catch us! We have so many varieties of perumAL

in different postures which we wouldn't find in srI vaikuNTam. So,

bhUlOkam is better than paramapadam in this aspect. I could be wrong

(but it's my personal feeling)but I found dull nammAzhvAr's pAsurams

on srI vaikuNTam journey compared with pAsurams like "kangulum

pagalum" which is full of intoxicating love.

AzhvAr emperumAnAr jIyar thiruvadigaLE sharaNam

dAsAnu dAsI

NC Nappinnai

> Coming to my question, let us refer to "ErAr muyal

vittukkAkkaippin

> pOvadhE...", "emmA vIdum vENdA endhanakku un thALiNaiyE ammA!..."

etc.

> We can safely forget the paramapadham and keep worshipping the

image

> of the omni-present. Also it is only SEshatvam that is desired and

> not our getting elevated. Since "vazhuvilA adimai" is not possible

> here for whatever reasons, our longing to go to a place where it

is

> possible, is justified. Since we keep having happiness and sorrow

> here, the idea of a place where there is only happiness, gives

> confidence.

>

> I request any of you to explain as to why hare and crow are

chosen,

> in "ErAr muyalvittu..."

>

> dAsAnudAsan

> Vishnu

September 24, 2004

Dear Smt Vedvalli,

Thank you very much for the reply.

Yes, Bhakti is not mere devotion but devotional service, as

interpreted by SrIla prabhupAda in Bhagavadgita As It Is. I was very

much excited when the AchArya (though not in our line) says that

KrshNa Bhakti is service to KrshNa, at one point. What a wonderful

observation?

KrshNa Bhakti or service to KrshNa, can be practised by anyone

irrespective of caste, gender, race, whether upAya or not.

Now let us strike the word Bhakti at its roots.

Words like Bhakti, Bhajanam etc. come from the dhAtu "Bhak"

indicating division. Division here means, being useful to PerumAL in

different ways as willed by Him, as said in "SarIra bhEdai: tava

SEshatAm gatai:" statement of yAmuna, which I explained earlier.

Since perumAL is sarva SEshI, entire world remains for Him. Does this

mean all have Bhakti? No. Bhakti involves the knowledge that we

remain for Him in all our states. Hence Bhakti is nothing but our

SEshatva buddhi.

Due to our SEshatva gnAnam, we tend to be serviceable to Him.

Needless to say that such tendency is associated with our love for

Him.

Since we tend to do loving service to Him due to our SEshatva gnAnam,

SrI ParASara Bhattar, in the beginning of SrI sahasranAma commentary,

interprets Bhakti as our inclination to do sEvA to Him associated

with our love for Him. He quotes pramANas from linga and mArkaNdEya

purANas for this (see note at end).

Hence the interpreation you hesitated to give i.e. Bhakti =

devotional service, is wonderfully right.

As I have been saying, SEshatvam is nothing but simply remaining for

Him. Hence the nava vidha Bhakti you have mentioned, is our existence

for Him in all those nine different states.

You are further right in saying that any activity done with pure

devotion, is a service to Him.

dAsan

Vishnu

Note: I do not know whether linga, mArkaNdEya purANas are sAttvika.

But nothing stops AchAryas like pArASara Bhattar from extracting

Bhagavad Vishayam from wherever they want.

ramanuja, vedavalli ranganathan

<vedaranga> wrote:

> Dear Sri vishnu,

>

> devotional service is called bhakthi in

> sanskrit.all activities reg.mind,body and soul done

> with pure devotionwhich are connected with the supreme

> Person( Perumal) alone is called devotional

> service.In the scriptures it is said there are nine

> kinds of devotional service.they are sravanam,

> kirtanam,smaranam or remembering,vandhanam or paying

> obeisances,padhasevanam, Dasyam, worshiping,treating

> as a friend, and Atma nevadhanam.

>

> Sravanam--- Parikshit Maharaj

> Kirtanam --- Sukha dev goswami

> Smaranam --- Bhaktha Prahlad

> Vandanam --- Akrura

> Padhasevanam --- Lakshmiji always doing service to

> Maha vishnu

> Worshipping ----Prithu Maharaj

> Dasyam ----- Hanuman

> Worshipping ---- Prithu Maharaj

> Treating as a friend ---Arjuna

> Atma Nivedhanam ----Bali Maharaj

>

> Above said Personalities are example for pure

> devottees. And also Ambarisha Maharaj was always doing

> bhakthi with all his senses , mind and soul.Yes i

> admit i read bhagwath gita as it is .I heard Pillai

> Lokachariar also had given nine sambhanda reg.

> devotional service .I am trying to get that.If any

> one know that please let me know that.

>

> Krishna Dasee

>

> Vedavalli Ranganathan.

September 27, 2004

Sri Parthasarathi thunai,

Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha

Sri Vara Vara munayE namaha

Sri vanachala mahA munayE Namaha

Dear Srimathi Vedavalli,

There have been a lot of good discussions going on in this group. Adiyen's

humble pranams to all bhagavatas who have given valid points/anubhavams on the

lines of our vedas/azhvars/acharya not moving away from our sampradayam as shown

by our poorvacharyas. Adiyen has been a passive reader for quite sometime. Let

adiyen now with the permission of all the learned bhagavatas write about the

"Nava vidha sambhanda" as mentioned by Pillai lokacharya.

"pithA cha rakshagas sEshi bharthA jnEyO ramApathi: I

svAmyAdhArO mamAtmA cha bhOkthA sAtyamanoodhitha: II"

1) PithA-putra sambhandam (Father-Son relation)

2) rakshya-rakshaga (protected-protector)

3} sesha-seshi (servant-master)

4) bharthA-bhArya (husband-Wife)

5) jyAthru-jnEya (knowledge-that which is known)

6) svam-svami (property-owner)

7) sareera-sareeri (body-soul)

8) dhArya-dhAraka (AdhAra-AdhEya bhAvam, that which holds and that which is

held)

9) bhOkthru- bhOkya (one who enjoys-that which gives enjoyment)

It has been shown that all these relationships are shown by the thirumanthram by

our poorvacharyas.

"nammAchAryargal prathamarahasya thAtparyamAna nava vidha sambhandham

svaroopajnAnaththukku nithyAnusandhEyamendru ansandhiththum upadEsiththum

poruvargal"

Alwar emperumAnAr jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanam

Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

Sumithra Varadarajan

-

vedavalli ranganathan

ramanuja

Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 PM

Re: [ramanuja] Re: Addlt thoughts on Sriman Balaji's queries

Dear Sri vishnu,

devotional service is called bhakthi in

sanskrit.all activities reg.mind,body and soul done

with pure devotionwhich are connected with the supreme

Person( Perumal) alone is called devotional

service.In the scriptures it is said there are nine

kinds of devotional service.they are sravanam,

kirtanam,smaranam or remembering,vandhanam or paying

obeisances,padhasevanam, Dasyam, worshiping,treating

as a friend, and Atma nevadhanam.

Sravanam--- Parikshit Maharaj

Kirtanam --- Sukha dev goswami

Smaranam --- Bhaktha Prahlad

Vandanam --- Akrura

Padhasevanam --- Lakshmiji always doing service to

Maha vishnu

Worshipping ----Prithu Maharaj

Dasyam ----- Hanuman

Worshipping ---- Prithu Maharaj

Treating as a friend ---Arjuna

Atma Nivedhanam ----Bali Maharaj

Above said Personalities are example for pure

devottees. And also Ambarisha Maharaj was always doing

bhakthi with all his senses , mind and soul.Yes i

admit i read bhagwath gita as it is .I heard Pillai

Lokachariar also had given nine sambhanda reg.

devotional service .I am trying to get that.If any

one know that please let me know that.

Krishna Dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

<vsmvishnu wrote:

> Dear Smt Vedavalli,

>

> Your (right) write-up on sAttvika ahankAram told me

> u had read

> BhagavadgItA As It Is (correct me if I am wrong).

> Why are you going

> back now? Kindly tell me what is devotional service

> in sanskrit:-)

> I guessed you would give the right word.

>

> > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> >

> > Yes , we have to cultivate or

> practice

> > pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within our

> > heart. Due to our Karmas, and material desires,and

> > because of Maya we dont develop our bhakthi.And

> for

> > Pure devotion we should have surrendering

> mentality to

> > Him and receive His mercy also. If we take one

> step

> > towards Him He will take two steps towards us.That

> is

> > Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is

> difficult

> > to advance.From reading your postings i understand

> you

> > are a knowledgable person. I think you are teasing

> me

> > with your questions. I am answering you with my

> > limited knowledge.

>

> I am sorry. I am neither knowledgeable nor teasing

> anyone. As my

> AchArya reiterates: "Youngsters should discuss,

> analyze", I am trying

> to move with that spirit. Also the opinions given in

> the list are

> based on my own understanding.

>

> Dasan

> Vishnu

>

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Dear Srimathi Sumithra Varadarajan,

Thank you very much for the information. I

am benifitted from that. Yesterday i happened to hear

a CD reg. this topic Nava vidha Sambandam.Avery nice

lecture frpm Sri Velukkudi Swamin..He gave ihn his

lecture the same nine sambandha as you had mentioned.

Once again thank you. Can you tell me what does Sri

Vachana bhushanam consist of? Manavala Mamunigal says

in Upadesa Rathina malai that it is very difficult to

understand.If any body knows about this pl.send the

details. where we can get the work?

Krishna Dasee

Vedavalli Ranganathan.

--- Sumithra Varadarajan <Sumivaradan

wrote:

> Sri Parthasarathi thunai,

> Srimathe ramanujaya Namaha

> Sri Vara Vara munayE namaha

> Sri vanachala mahA munayE Namaha

>

> Dear Srimathi Vedavalli,

>

> There have been a lot of good discussions going on

> in this group. Adiyen's humble pranams to all

> bhagavatas who have given valid points/anubhavams on

> the lines of our vedas/azhvars/acharya not moving

> away from our sampradayam as shown by our

> poorvacharyas. Adiyen has been a passive reader for

> quite sometime. Let adiyen now with the permission

> of all the learned bhagavatas write about the "Nava

> vidha sambhanda" as mentioned by Pillai lokacharya.

>

> "pithA cha rakshagas sEshi bharthA jnEyO ramApathi:

> I

> svAmyAdhArO mamAtmA cha bhOkthA sAtyamanoodhitha:

> II"

>

> 1) PithA-putra sambhandam (Father-Son relation)

> 2) rakshya-rakshaga (protected-protector)

> 3} sesha-seshi (servant-master)

> 4) bharthA-bhArya (husband-Wife)

> 5) jyAthru-jnEya (knowledge-that which is known)

> 6) svam-svami (property-owner)

> 7) sareera-sareeri (body-soul)

> 8) dhArya-dhAraka (AdhAra-AdhEya bhAvam, that which

> holds and that which is held)

> 9) bhOkthru- bhOkya (one who enjoys-that which gives

> enjoyment)

>

> It has been shown that all these relationships are

> shown by the thirumanthram by our poorvacharyas.

>

> "nammAchAryargal prathamarahasya thAtparyamAna nava

> vidha sambhandham svaroopajnAnaththukku

> nithyAnusandhEyamendru ansandhiththum upadEsiththum

> poruvargal"

>

> Alwar emperumAnAr jeeyer thiruvadigale sharanam

> Adiyen ramanuja dAsee

> Sumithra Varadarajan

> -

> vedavalli ranganathan

> ramanuja

> Wednesday, September 22, 2004 10:55 PM

> Re: [ramanuja] Re: Addlt thoughts on

> Sriman Balaji's queries

>

> Dear Sri vishnu,

>

> devotional service is called bhakthi

> in

> sanskrit.all activities reg.mind,body and soul

> done

> with pure devotionwhich are connected with the

> supreme

> Person( Perumal) alone is called devotional

> service.In the scriptures it is said there are

> nine

> kinds of devotional service.they are sravanam,

> kirtanam,smaranam or remembering,vandhanam or

> paying

> obeisances,padhasevanam, Dasyam,

> worshiping,treating

> as a friend, and Atma nevadhanam.

>

> Sravanam--- Parikshit Maharaj

> Kirtanam --- Sukha dev goswami

> Smaranam --- Bhaktha Prahlad

> Vandanam --- Akrura

> Padhasevanam --- Lakshmiji always doing service

> to

> Maha vishnu

> Worshipping ----Prithu Maharaj

> Dasyam ----- Hanuman

> Worshipping ---- Prithu Maharaj

> Treating as a friend ---Arjuna

> Atma Nivedhanam ----Bali Maharaj

>

> Above said Personalities are example for pure

> devottees. And also Ambarisha Maharaj was always

> doing

> bhakthi with all his senses , mind and soul.Yes i

> admit i read bhagwath gita as it is .I heard

> Pillai

> Lokachariar also had given nine sambhanda reg.

> devotional service .I am trying to get that.If

> any

> one know that please let me know that.

>

> Krishna Dasee

>

> Vedavalli Ranganathan.

> <vsmvishnu wrote:

>

> > Dear Smt Vedavalli,

> >

> > Your (right) write-up on sAttvika ahankAram told

> me

> > u had read

> > BhagavadgItA As It Is (correct me if I am

> wrong).

> > Why are you going

> > back now? Kindly tell me what is devotional

> service

> > in sanskrit:-)

> > I guessed you would give the right word.

> >

> > > Dear Sri Vishnu,

> > >

> > > Yes , we have to cultivate or

> > practice

> > > pure bhakthi., Bhakthi is always there within

> our

> > > heart. Due to our Karmas, and material

> desires,and

> > > because of Maya we dont develop our

> bhakthi.And

> > for

> > > Pure devotion we should have surrendering

> > mentality to

> > > Him and receive His mercy also. If we take

> one

> > step

> > > towards Him He will take two steps towards

> us.That

> > is

> > > Perumal's Greatness. Without His mercy it is

> > difficult

> > > to advance.From reading your postings i

> understand

> > you

> > > are a knowledgable person. I think you are

> teasing

> > me

> > > with your questions. I am answering you with

> my

> > > limited knowledge.

> >

> > I am sorry. I am neither knowledgeable nor

> teasing

> > anyone. As my

> > AchArya reiterates: "Youngsters should discuss,

> > analyze", I am trying

> > to move with that spirit. Also the opinions

> given in

> > the list are

> > based on my own understanding.

> >

> > Dasan

> > Vishnu

> >

>

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