Guest guest Report post Posted January 8, 2004 Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa or Pancaratra Agamas?. What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures or are they a separate sects? What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple priest?, or is there any restriction? regds Badri Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 21, 2004 Dear Badri, Let me try to answer with my limited knowledge. I think similar topic was discussed sometimes back. Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What exist are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur-veda (the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become a vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all the associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) classified as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. (This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri VaishNavAs', most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite being vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. Two different procedures or separate sects? vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. Regards, Kasturi Rangan .K ramanuja, badri narayanan <b11_narayanan> wrote: > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures or are they a separate sects? > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple priest?, or is there any restriction? > > regds > Badri > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2004 Dear Sriman Kasturi Rangan, I need a small clarification in this regard. I am a Rigvedi and I happen to belong to "Ashvalayana Sutram". Now, you know, I am a SriVaishnava. You had mentioned that according to Ashwalayana grhya sutram, I have to worship Ganesha, Siva & Uma. Where as being a SriVaishnava, I have to worship Sriman Narayana. I am little confused with this. Could you or any body in the group kindly educate me on this and clarify my doubts. Regards Mohan Ramanujan On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 amshuman_k wrote : >Dear Badri, > Let me try to answer with my limited knowledge. I think similar >topic was discussed sometimes back. > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What exist >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur-veda >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become a >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all the >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) classified >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri VaishNavAs', >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite being >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > >Two different procedures or separate sects? >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > >Regards, >Kasturi Rangan .K > >ramanuja, badri narayanan <b11_narayanan> >wrote: > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures >or are they a separate sects? > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > regds > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > Links > > > ramanuja/ > > > ramanuja > >Your > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 22, 2004 Dear Sri Mohan Ramanujan and others, Holding to a particular Ve:dam and following a particular su:tram is a condition of birth, something that is only attached to the body. Being a Sri:Vaishnava is a condition of the soul, the true nature of the individual self. So, once one has placed oneself under the responsible care of the a:cha:rya, one is only required to follow what is prescribed by him, regardless of what we think sa:stra prescribes for us, when it comes to our personal spiritual upliftment However, it should be noted that the learning and practice of a particular Ve:da is done by a Sri: Vai:shnava for lo:ka kalya:nam in the spirit of service to Sri:man Na:ra:yana alone. So, while we may have to invoke a particular deity or deities for the purpose of bringing some good to the world, we are not worshipping them. We are only invoking them, praying to Him for their welfare, and are requesting them to bring some good to the world in their own spirit of service to Him. I hope this helps. Ramanuja dasan Mohan Mohan Ramanujan wrote: >Dear Sriman Kasturi Rangan, > >I need a small clarification in this regard. I am a Rigvedi and I happen to belong to "Ashvalayana Sutram". > >Now, you know, I am a SriVaishnava. You had mentioned that according to Ashwalayana grhya sutram, I have to worship Ganesha, Siva & Uma. Where as being a SriVaishnava, I have to worship Sriman Narayana. > >I am little confused with this. Could you or any body in the group kindly educate me on this and clarify my doubts. > >Regards >Mohan Ramanujan > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 23, 2004 Dear Sri Mohan Ramanujan, I'll try to answer your question based on my limited understanding. Our orthodox elders would most probably disagree though. We have to understand that the kalpa sutras and parishisThas belong to a much earlier date than 'we' becoming 'strict vaishNavas'. Most probably, the Sri VaishNava brahmins were smArthAs prior to RamanujacAryA's times (I myself am a descendent of a vadama - One Mr. AnanthanarayaNa dIkshitar, a great great grandfather who lived about 1000 years back and his son dAsharathi is quite famous - he was later called mudaliAndan and was a nephew and disciple of Shri ramanujAchArya). Seen in this light, 'our ancestors' worshipping different deities should not at all be surprising until our sampradAya reinterpreted all worship of anya devatAs goes only to nArAyaNa, as his is the antaryAmi. Also, though we may nominally belong to a particular veda/sutra, we not necessarily follow its prescriptions - Apastambha dharma sUtra gives a list of animals and birds we can eat, which includes cows (and he cites shathapatha brAhmaNa for pramANa). We don't do that. As a matter of fact, the meat of 'udumbu' (is it iguana?) was used in shrAddham and pitrs were said to become very happy if it is used during shrAddham. >From these we may tentatively conclude that we discontinued lot of practices mentioned in our sUtras and retained only some important samskAras with the prescribed mantra viniyogas. (i.e. you 'don't have to' do something just because your sUtras prescribe it!) Regards, Kasturi Rangan .K ramanuja, "Mohan Ramanujan" <mohan_ramanujan@r...> wrote: > Dear Sriman Kasturi Rangan, > > I need a small clarification in this regard. I am a Rigvedi and I happen to belong to "Ashvalayana Sutram". > > Now, you know, I am a SriVaishnava. You had mentioned that according to Ashwalayana grhya sutram, I have to worship Ganesha, Siva & Uma. Where as being a SriVaishnava, I have to worship Sriman Narayana. > > I am little confused with this. Could you or any body in the group kindly educate me on this and clarify my doubts. > > Regards > Mohan Ramanujan > > > On Thu, 22 Jan 2004 amshuman_k wrote : > >Dear Badri, > > Let me try to answer with my limited knowledge. I think similar > >topic was discussed sometimes back. > > > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, > >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > > > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come > >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What exist > >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. > >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur-veda > >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this > >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become a > >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a > >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from > >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > > > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all the > >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) classified > >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > > > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas > >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, > >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. > >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves > >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > > > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: > >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri VaishNavAs', > >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite being > >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > > > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: > >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or > >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local > >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was > >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from > >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > > > >Two different procedures or separate sects? > >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > > > >Regards, > >Kasturi Rangan .K > > > >ramanuja, badri narayanan <b11_narayanan> > >wrote: > > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa > >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some > >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures > >or are they a separate sects? > > > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple > >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > > > regds > > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > > > Links > > > > > > ramanuja/ > > > > > > ramanuja > > > >Your > > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan, SrImathE RAmAnujAya namaha. I am under the impression that apart from Vaikhanasa Kalpa sUtra literature, there are Vaikhanasa texts provided by chief disciples of Sri Vikhanasa Muni, such as Bhrigu, MArIchi etc. normally referred to as Vaikhanasa samhitas. I heard that they are generally treated as authoritative texts for all practical issues of Vaikhanasa temple rituals. Do you have any more info in this direction? By the way, what are these "pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA"? Who practises them? Adiyen Srinivasa dasa amshuman_k <amshuman_k wrote: > > > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, > >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > > > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come > >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What exist > >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. > >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur-veda > >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this > >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become a > >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a > >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from > >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > > > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all the > >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) classified > >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > > > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas > >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, > >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. > >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves > >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > > > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: > >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri VaishNavAs', > >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite being > >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > > > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: > >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or > >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local > >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was > >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from > >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > > > >Two different procedures or separate sects? > >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > > > >Regards, > >Kasturi Rangan .K > > > >ramanuja, badri narayanan <b11_narayanan> > >wrote: > > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa > >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some > >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures > >or are they a separate sects? > > > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple > >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > > > regds > > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > > > Links > > > > > > ramanuja/ > > > > > > ramanuja > > > >Your > > > > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ramanuja/ ramanuja SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Hi All, As far I know, there are samhithas for guiding the Agamas as to how they have to be followed. Famous Pancharathra Samhithas are Lakshmi Tantram, Ahirbudnya Samhitha, Sathvatha Samhitha. Similar there are vaikhanasa samhithas too, which explain these.Ex: Vaikhanasa Samhitha. Panchrathrins : They undergo Samashrayanam and deeksha procedure to become Agamikas. Any person can become a pancharathrin. There are some good examples of Advaithins in Bangalore, who have become Pancharathra Agamikas. Vaikhanasa : They are termed as Garbha SriVaishnavas. They need not undergo deekhsa procedure. A person born into the family of Vaikhanasa Agamikas can become a Vaikhanas Agamika, not all. The procedure of performing aaraadhanam in temples is different for both. Vaikhanasa perform aaraadhanam in Khandams, where Pancharathrins perform aaraadhanam in a procdure similar to gruhaarchanam. Pancharathrins are said to be disciples of Shandilya Mahamuni. Vaikhanasas are said to be disciples of Vikhanasa Mahamuni. Also , the way the 26 Maha Tatvas are installed to the SriMurthi are very different. I have come across another form of Srivaishnava Agamas followed in North India. Mahanths follow it. They term the agamas as Agneya Agamas. Regards Thuphal Vijayaraghavan. srinivasa chary [srinivasadasa] Tue 1/27/2004 5:27 PM ramanuja Cc: Re: [ramanuja] Re: Agamas Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan, SrImathE RAmAnujAya namaha. I am under the impression that apart from Vaikhanasa Kalpa sUtra literature, there are Vaikhanasa texts provided by chief disciples of Sri Vikhanasa Muni, such as Bhrigu, MArIchi etc. normally referred to as Vaikhanasa samhitas. I heard that they are generally treated as authoritative texts for all practical issues of Vaikhanasa temple rituals. Do you have any more info in this direction? By the way, what are these "pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA"? Who practises them? Adiyen Srinivasa dasa amshuman_k <amshuman_k wrote: > > > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, > >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > > > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come > >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What exist > >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. > >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur-veda > >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this > >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become a > >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a > >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from > >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > > > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all the > >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) classified > >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > > > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas > >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, > >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. > >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves > >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > > > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: > >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri VaishNavAs', > >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite being > >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > > > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: > >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or > >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local > >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was > >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from > >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > > > >Two different procedures or separate sects? > >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > > > >Regards, > >Kasturi Rangan .K > > > >ramanuja, badri narayanan <b11_narayanan> > >wrote: > > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under Vaikhanasa > >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do some > >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different procedures > >or are they a separate sects? > > > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become temple > >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > > > regds > > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > > > Links > > > > > > ramanuja/ > > > > > > ramanuja > > > >Your > > > > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam ramanuja/ ramanuja SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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Guest guest Report post Posted January 27, 2004 Dear Sri Srinivasa Dasa, I am vaguely aware of texts like marichi-samhita but don't have relevant details. I'll dig up my references and revert back. Unfortunately, I do not have references for vignyAnalalitha and pratishThasara right now. Regards, Kasturi Rangan .K ramanuja, srinivasa chary <srinivasadasa> wrote: > Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan, > SrImathE RAmAnujAya namaha. > > I am under the impression that apart from Vaikhanasa Kalpa sUtra literature, there are Vaikhanasa texts provided by chief disciples of Sri Vikhanasa Muni, such as Bhrigu, MArIchi etc. normally referred to as Vaikhanasa samhitas. I heard that they are generally treated as authoritative texts for all practical issues of Vaikhanasa temple rituals. Do you have any more info in this direction? By the way, what are these "pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA"? Who practises them? > > Adiyen > Srinivasa dasa > > amshuman_k <amshuman_k> wrote: > > > > > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, > > >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > > > > > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come > > >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What > exist > > >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. > > >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur- veda > > >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this > > >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become > a > > >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a > > >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from > > >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > > > > > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all > the > > >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) > classified > > >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > > > > > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas > > >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, > > >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. > > >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves > > >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > > > > > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: > > >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri > VaishNavAs', > > >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite > being > > >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > > > > > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: > > >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or > > >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local > > >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was > > >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from > > >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > > > > > >Two different procedures or separate sects? > > >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Kasturi Rangan .K > > > > > >ramanuja, badri narayanan > <b11_narayanan> > > >wrote: > > > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under > Vaikhanasa > > >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do > some > > >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different > procedures > > >or are they a separate sects? > > > > > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become > temple > > >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > ramanuja/ > > > > > > > > > ramanuja > > > > > >Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > ramanuja/ > > > ramanuja > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted January 28, 2004 Dear Shri Srinivasa chary, I stand corrected. The following are from notes I've taken long time back... The vaikhAnasa texts are as follows: 1. vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra 2. vaikhAnasa smArta sUtra (includes grhya & dharma sUtras) Both of these are published by W.Caland and should be in print. 3. There is also a vaikhAnasa mantra prashnam (similar to Apastambha mantra prashnam). The kalpa sUtra also includes one chapter on pravara kanda. I believe they are very much vedic in nature & scope. The vaishNava agamas with the same name were supposed to be composed by Atri, Bhrgu, kashyapa and marIchi, who were said to be disciples of Rshi VaikhAnasa and the manuscripts of their works are rumored to be in Tibet and Nepal (suspicious!!). Atri's works are Purva Tantra, Atreya Tantra, Vishnu Tantra and Uttara Tantra. Brgu's works are 13 in number containing 88,000 shlokas. They are : 1. Khila Tantra 2. Pura Tantra 3. Vasanadhikara 4. Chithradhikara 5. Manadhikara 6. Kriyadhikara 7. Archanadhikara 8. Yagnadhikara 9. Varnadhikara 10. Prathigruhyadhikara 11. Nirukthadhikara 12. Prakirnadhikara and 13. Khiladhikara. Of these thirteen, 6 & 8 are available in print. 3 & 7 & 11 are available in manuscripts, 2, 4, 5 & 9 are available in fragments, and the rest are not available. Marichi's Works are enumerated as Jayasamhita, Anandasamhita, Samjhanasamhita, Virasamhita, Vijayasamhita, Vijitasamhita, Vimalasamhita, Jhanasamhita and Vimanarchana Kalpa. Kashyapa's works are Sathyakandam, Tarkakandam, Gnanakandam, Santhana kandam and Kasyapakandam. Some vaikhAnasa texts are in the possession of National Sanskrit University, Tirupathi and they have uploaded Brhgu's Prakirnadhikara in their website. Regards, Kasturi ramanuja, srinivasa chary <srinivasadasa> wrote: > Dear Sri Kasturi Rangan, > SrImathE RAmAnujAya namaha. > > I am under the impression that apart from Vaikhanasa Kalpa sUtra literature, there are Vaikhanasa texts provided by chief disciples of Sri Vikhanasa Muni, such as Bhrigu, MArIchi etc. normally referred to as Vaikhanasa samhitas. I heard that they are generally treated as authoritative texts for all practical issues of Vaikhanasa temple rituals. Do you have any more info in this direction? By the way, what are these "pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA"? Who practises them? > > Adiyen > Srinivasa dasa > > amshuman_k <amshuman_k> wrote: > > > > > >Vaishnava Agamas: I've heard about 4 of them -- pAncharAtram, > > >vaikhAnasam, pratishThasAram and vignyAnalalitA. > > > > > >Though vaikhAnasam is termed as a vaishNava Agama, I haven't come > > >across a text called vaikhAnasam that is strictly Agamam. What > exist > > >are these - vaikhAnasa srauta sUtra, grihya sUtra and dharma sUtra. > > >vaikhAnasa sUtra belongs to taittriya shAkhA of krishNa yajur- veda > > >(the most 'popular' sutras are Apastambha & BaudhAyana for this > > >shAkha). This should answer your last question - you cannot become > a > > >vaikhAnasa just by getting trained in it. You have to born in a > > >vaikhAnasa family (just like you cannot arbitrarily jump from > > >following say Apastambha sUtra to BaudhAyana). > > > > > >The fact that vaikhAnasa sUtra deals with VishNu worship with all > the > > >associated sectarian rites, it may be (rightly or wrongly) > classified > > >as an Agama, though strictly, it is a kalpa sUtra. > > > > > >(This shouldn't be surprising - Kalpa sUtras and parishishThas > > >mention worship of sectarian deities. If I remember correctly, > > >Ashvalayana grihya sutra mentions worship of ganesha, shiva, umA. > > >Atharva veda parishishTha talks about skanda yaga that involves > > >images of skanda & pAshupata vrata.) > > > > > >Relation between Agamas & Sri VaishNavAs: > > >If you mean the followers of Shri RamanujachArya as 'Sri > VaishNavAs', > > >most probably they would be pAncharAtrins. vaikhAnaAs, despite > being > > >vaishNavAs, need not belong to our guru parampara. > > > > > >Why some temples follow one as opposed to other: > > >I don't have concrete answers for this. Probably, the king or > > >chieftain who built it decided this ( the availability of local > > >brahmins to function in temples might have dictated which Agama was > > >favored). We have examples in history on temples that switched from > > >vaikhAnasa to pAncharAtra. > > > > > >Two different procedures or separate sects? > > >vaikhAnasa & pAncharAtra are quite distinct. > > > > > >Regards, > > >Kasturi Rangan .K > > > > > >ramanuja, badri narayanan > <b11_narayanan> > > >wrote: > > > > Do all vaishnava temples in North India also fall under > Vaikhanasa > > >or Pancaratra Agamas?. > > > > > > > > What is the basis for following any one partcular agama.Why do > some > > >temples follow Vaikhanasa and others Pancaratra. > > > > > > > > Do vaikhanasa and Pancratra simply denote two different > procedures > > >or are they a separate sects? > > > > > > > > What is their relation with SriVaishnavas?. > > > > > > > > Can anyone who is learned in these agama sastras can become > temple > > >priest?, or is there any restriction? > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Badri > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > ramanuja/ > > > > > > > > > ramanuja > > > > > >Your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > azhwAr emberumAnAr jeeyAr thiruvadigalE saranam > > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > > ramanuja/ > > > ramanuja > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. 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