The Mohammed also said, "From this day, there is no sex with your mother." So just see what class of men.

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Srila Prabhupada conversations

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Prof. Regamay: But I am struck that, for instance, for us in the West the

idea of personal God is strongly rooted in our consciousness.

Prabhupada: Yes. Lord Jesus Christ, he was Vaisnava. He directly gave you

the idea of personal God. The personal God is the origin. Brahmeti

paramatmeti bhagavan iti sabdyate. The... Just like, the same example: the

sun god, the sun planet and sunshine, they are one. They are not different.

But still, this is impersonal, that is localized, and within the sun globe,

there is the sun god. So sun god is the origin of this light. Similarly,

Krsna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, He is the origin of everything.

Aham sarvasya prabhavo mattah sarvam. That's the fact. But people with poor

fund of knowledge they cannot understand it. Therefore stop... (break)

....light, that's all. So much. Just like Lord Buddha. He did not explain

anything about God. He said, "Just obey me and stop this animal killing."

Therefore this much sufficient for him, that's all. The lower class

students, one plus two equal to three, two plus two..., that much

mathematics, not higher mathematics. Higher mathematics is not possible to

understand.

Prof. Regamay: Yes, of course.

Prabhupada: That's it. But there is higher mathematics. Not one plus two or

two plus three, no. There is still higher mathematics. So that is not meant

for them. That will be explained, explained in the Bhagavad..., ye yatha mam

prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham. Those who are expert, or sufficient,

insufficient knowledge, they cannot understand the Supreme Absolute. That is

also confirmed, bahunam janmanam ante jnanavan mam prapadyate: "After many,

many births, when one is actually in full knowledge, he can understand Krsna

and surrenders unto Him." Vasudevah sarvam iti sa mahatma sudurlabhah. So

Vedas and scriptures are there, differently, according to different

conditions. Now, what Jesus Christ was teaching the people? You can

understand. The first injunction is "Thou shalt not kill." So what class of

men they were, just you can understand. Otherwise, why he is first of all

telling "Thou shalt not kill"? The Mohammed also said, "From this day, there

is no sex with your mother." So just see what class of men. So according to

class of men, there should be teaching. Similarly, Buddha also, Lord Buddha

said, "No, no, there is no God. Just try to understand me. You obey Me."

"Yes, sir." It has to be done like that.

Prof. Regamay: Still, there are two questions I have which remain. One is

quite a small question. I have read in your commentary to the chastisement

of Drona, killing of Drona, and where it was that violence for a right cause

is better than the so-called nonviolence. Now I wanted to ask, for instance,

to find that nonviolence or like Gandhi, it was wrong...

Prabhupada: Gandhi was not a man of spiritual under... He was a politician,

that's all.

Prof. Regamay: Yes, but in his personal...

Prabhupada: Gandhi, actually he did not know anything.

Prof. Regamay: Yes, he read Bhagavad-gita in English.

Prabhupada: That is also nonsense. There was no Krsna. There was no

Mahabharata or Kuruksetra. He has written like that.

Prof. Regamay: But he was dead with the words Rama, pronouncing, "Rama

Rama."

Prabhupada: Well, I... That is the process of India to chant the name of

Krsna. Every Indian has got initial propensity, but actually Gandhi did not

know anything about spiritual science. He was politician, that's all. That

one Bengal governor, he was from Australia, Mr. Keziar (?). So he, I

remember. "Gandhi is a politician amongst the saintly person or a saintly

person amongst the politicians." This study was made. His moral principle,

character, is very good. That is to be taken by the politicians. But so far

his spiritual knowledge is concerned, that is nil.

Prof. Regamay: But nonviolence is not well in every case?

Prabhupada: No, nonviolence... Actually that is the subject matter of

Bhagavad-gita. What do you mean by nonviolence. Because you are not this

body. Suppose if I tear away your coat, does it mean that you are killed? So

those who are in the bodily concept of life, "I am this body," for them,

this kind of fighting or killing is violence. It is violence. But the thing

is, there is sometimes necessity. Just like every state maintains the

military force, the police force. What is this? The violence department.

Required. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gita, paritranaya sadhunam.

Suppose you are attacked by some rogue, and if somebody comes and kills him,

there is a necessity. It is natural. If you say that time nonviolence, it is

foolishness. It is foolishness. Vinasaya ca duskrtam. Those who are rogues

and, I mean to say, culprit, criminal, they should be killed. They should be

stopped by violence. So violence is required sometimes. Violence is not bad,

but it is not to be used ordinarily.